>> let's go straight to a fox news alert. rudy guiliani speaks out. bringing us information about burisma and biden, and we won't be pressing him on his own role in the story. an interview with the president you'll only see on america news headquarters with ed henry. and we launched the show a couple weeks ago to bring you the news straight, not just one story news media is covering endlessly. we'll talk impeachment with rudy guiliani and headliner, outgoing secretary rick perry. he had his name come up and we'll also cover substantive issues the president is working

on that might not be breaking through, congress and the media is focused as we said the i-word. we'll give secretary perry to discuss his legacy on energy and talk the fourth exclusive with joe grogan, the policy chief who you see right there. in the meantime, the president's discussions yesterday about cracking down on e-cigs, all of that we'll be getting into and also have capri, a democrat standing by to react to the news. first, as i mentioned, let's get straight to our headliner, rudy guiliani, mr. mayor, welcome. thanks for coming on. >> nice to be with you, ed. ed: lindsey graham heads the senate committee investigation, and looking at burisma and joe biden and it must be music to your ears. i've got a letter here, asking him to help you three ukrainians who want visa to come to america

to talk about burisma and what would they say about that and hunter biden? >> it's simple, the case has been simple from the day that joe biden confessed to committing bribery back in january of 2018 in the counsel on foreign relations didn't note anything about it although he said precisely what was attributed to president trump a year and a half later that caused all sorts of did-- basically he committed the crime of bribery, offering something of value to an official for official action. okay, here is what joe biden says he did. he offered him a one billion dollar loan guarantee, he threatened him with a one billion dollar loan guarantee and in return for that, that's part one of bribery. part two is, he got the president of the ukraine to fire the prosecutor. ed: right, but-- >> and the somelent council on

foreign relations didn't find anything wrong with that. but when the false charge came out that the president of the united states, and the president of ukraine, "the washington post," impeachment. it's the same thing except for the double standard that's corrupting us. ed: the former vice-president says it wasn't bribery, that the prosecutor he wanted fire was not prosecution of the case. and that lindsey graham is investigating this. here is what he said on cnn, i'll let you react. >> he has a rough road for reelection. trump is essentially holding power over him that even the ukrainians wouldn't yield to. lindsey is about to go down in a way i think he's going to regret his whole life. ed: your reaction? >> sound like a poor immigration of the godfather. this is the guy who sent out a

decree that they should keep me off television. every other week he wants to get into a fist fight with the president. when he's asked about all of these conflicts and all of this money made by his family selling his office, he says i don't know my family's business. he says is so often, he's starting to sound like korleone in the godfather. you'd have to think he'd be a fool to not know that his son was under investigation. i don't care what he says, he's lying. he's been lying all his life. the guy has been a corrupt politician since the brother got phony loans when he was in the senate. every point joe biden was a point man appointed by obama, the biden family came away with millions. ed: okay, you've talked about that. >> nobody wants to look at that because the washington press corps protects him. ed: i want to ask you then. i talked about your letter, you want three ukrainians to come to america and testify. >> four. ed: four now. in the letter i saw three.

by the same push of transparency, are you going to have lev parnas, your former associate now been indicted come and either testify to adam schiff or lindsey graham in the interest of fairness? >> it's up to him. i can't tell him to do it. i don't represent him. as far as i'm concerned he can testify to everything he did and it was perfectly appropriate and perfectly normal. he has said a few things lately that are completely untrue and completely untrue. he claims we had a meeting with the president at the hanukkah party. ed: right. >> in december of 2018, somebody should remind lev there were five witnesses, including his good friend, igor fruman, who all say categorically untrue, provable by records. he's trying to make himself very important. we never had that meeting with the president. he just made it up. ed: you never met with the president and lev parnas at the party and-- >> actually what i did i introduced the two of nem to the president they took a one minute

picture and they walked away. they said they had a private long meeting in which the president instructed him to do things, false, untrue, provable by testimony of five witnesses. ed: mr. mayor. >> so if he wants to do that, he could make himself into another michael cohen. i don't know what's going on. his lawyer makes these comments that are not only untrue ethey're provebly untrue, the testimony of witness is and documents. he's getting very poor counsel, i feel sorry for him? you feel sorry for lev parnas. overnight cnn reported that parnas is claiming a ekn ex-ukrainian official met with devin nunes, on the committee that you know well. met with viktor shokin in vienna and that this happened last december. do you know anything about that meeting? devin nunes is denying it. >> poor lev. i don't know what he's doing to

himself. once again that's going to be shown to be provebly untrue. i do not believe that den devin nunes would have met with shokin. i would have heard of it if he would have. it was before he was doing anything for me, late december, early january. i don't know why he wants to do this. he didn't do anything wrong. i used him to find people in the ukraine, because i couldn't trust anyone else, the fbi was closed off to me because the witnesses didn't trust the fbi. they had brought their case to the justice department and had been turned away and were worried about the justice department. if i went with some other people it would have been lee, so, they helped me find people and as i've said, they've done a good job, but they weren't investigators and they weren't james bond and they didn't have personal communications with the president. igor fruman would testify to that and for some reason lev has

got himself into a grandiose thing or maybe his lawyer-- his lawyer is saying these things. why a lawyer says things. ed: is he saying that to get off the hook because he's indicted-- >> he's not going to get off the hook by lying. devin nunes says he didn't meet with shokin. if he did, there would have been nothing wrong with it. he should have met with shokin. shokin had evidence massive corruption in the ukraine covered up by the ambassador. could being covered up by the state department and not being investigated by the fbi or the justice department. he had every write -- right to talk to him and his duty-- i have no idea why this lawyer is creating these additional problems for lev. they're not problems for me because there's so many witnesses and documents to prove he's lying and that's why i hate to see-- i do this for a living and i hate to see a lawyer do this to somebody. ed: you say it's not going to hurt you. are you afraid, mr. mayor that

you could be indicted? >> oh, wow, how long have you known me, ed? >> i've never you several years. >> do you think i'm afraid. do you think i get afraid? i did the right thing. i represented my client in a very, very effective way. i was so effective that i've discovered a pattern of corruption that the washington press has been covering up for three or four years. you should have jumped all over this in 2015 when this awful conflict was mentioned and it was hidden and suppressed by the washington press. but you know that the reality is, i'm embarrassing you because you didn't do your job and i'm also going to bring out a pay for play scheme in the obama administration that will be devastating to the democrat party. ed: okay. >> i expected the moment i heard biden's name, i told my colleagues they're going to try to kill me. because they're going to kill the messenger. but damn it, the mafia couldn't kill me, your colleagues are not going to kill me. ed: the wall street journal

though has reported that you were going to personally profit from a natural gas pipeline in ukraine. [laughter] >> and that's being investigated. you're laughing it off. >> i'm laughing it off, because it's not true. it's completely false. i have no financial interest in the ukraine. i'm not going to financially profit from anything that i know of in the ukraine. if they know of it, i would probably have to disclose it to my hopefully soon to be ex-wife because she would get half of it. look, you know, i have no business interests in ukraine. it is untrue, it is false. it didn't the first time the wall street journal printed up with false information. i can't keep up with the false information printed about me. ed: let's get the facts-- >> if i were representing a terrorist and they were doing this to me because they didn't like my client, all of you guys would be promoting me as a hero and a victim of what is in fact a concerted effort by the press to destroy me. ed: mr. mayor, i'm not painting you as a villain or a hero,

we're just asking the questions. >> you're not going to get away with it. ed: just asking the questions. >> i'm making it clearer. ed: okay. >> i have no business interest in the ukraine. ed: okay. and-- >> ukraine goes back several years, it's service work, i've been paid for it. i was paid a reasonable and i got great praise for the work done. i'll note something else, it was zelensky to brought me up with president trump, not president trump and that's because of my reputation, and the ukraine-- >> have you talked to president trump in the last week or two and-- >> i do not discuss my conversations with my client. you can assume i talked to him early and often. ed: yeah. >> and have a very, very good relationship with him and all of these comments, which are totally insulting, i i've seen things written like he's going to throw me under the bus. when i see that i say, he isn't, but i have good insurance. in order to defend him not to dig up dirt on biden, this goes

back a year ago before biden hadn't decide today run for president. my thought when i began investigating this was to get evidence that will help my client prove that the charges against him are untrue. and they do prove it, in fact they're ultimately going to prove that this was a conspiracy to frame him in which high level democrats participated, including some people in the white house. ed: let's talk about the white house. >> hard to prove that, hard to get that out in the city where you've got about a 90% hate trump, vicious group of people who are investigating you know, what i did in high school. ed: john bolton said you're a hand grenade and he didn't want to be part of any drug deal that you and others-- >> that's first of all, didn't say the drug deal about me, ed, get your facts straight. ed: he called you a hand grenade, he said it about-- >> and drug deal about, but equally ridiculous comment. first of all, for john to say i'm a hand grenade then he's an

atomic bomb. i've known john for years and he's been a friend of mine and i don't know why he's saying this. john has no understanding of my role as a defense lawyer, i didn't tell the white house what i was doing as a defense lawyer. i did it privately. what i did there had nothing to do with his foreign policy good or bad. i didn't get involved in foreign policy. i was involved in gathering very, very significant evidence to excull pate my client and i found the corruption being ignored by this corrupt press that we have i became outraged. remember i spent my early career prosecuting hundreds of corruption cases against united states senators, commissioners, law enforcement people, republicans, democrats. i despise corrupt public officials. ed: so what do you-- that's why i was so successful prosecuting them. ed: what do you want to happen to them. in the letter where we started, lindsey graham, you want

ukrainian visas, what's the question you want answered about hunter biden and burisma. >> i want the facts to come out. the money laundering, $3 million transaction that went to hunter biden, the crime of money laundering, i've got the documents in my file, and nobody wants to look at them. everybody is covering up for him. they say the charges were debunked, complete lie. they say there's no evidence of criminality and how can you, when shokin has an affidavit saying it was bribery. you can tell shokin is not telling the truth, but you can't lie like "the washington post" does and say there's no evidence of criminality. there's shokin, there's coolier, there's colknitski. there are three conversations between biden and poroshenko. >> who was the president at the time after burisma got investigated. right before biden went to the ukraine to get the guy fired. ed: all right. >> let's get the transcripts of

those three conversations, i've had leaked information came through the press about what the conversations about and i'm willing to make-- i won't bet. that's illegal, but i'm willing to tell you, joe biden is not going to like the conversations and if he wants you to believe he didn't know about his son's business in the ukraine that can be disproven ten days and that's called a false exculpatory statement. if joe biden is not prosecuted for the crimes then nobody in america should be prosecuted for-- >> mr. mayor, thank you for the time-- >> the part i find disturbing, because the media puts this on you, if you go after one of their people, people in law enforcement are afraid to go after. ed: congressman, i want to start

where we ended with the mayor. he has tough questions for hunter biden and former vice-president joe biden, and he says there's no "there" there. but on the intel panel, on the committee, that there were phone calls, and pour chenco, the ukrainian president at the time about burisma began. do you want answers to that. >> you want answers to questions like this, especially from the intel committee. we want to know who, what, when, where, why and how, someone or some other country engaged and tried to cause harm within our country or influence our elections or anything along that li line. as far as any specific phone calls-- >> the mayor is ripping into the media, he's not happy the way he's been treated, but in terms

of a narrative over the first two weeks of the impeachment hearings where you were front and center. and the narrative goes these were two rough weeks for the president. you sat on the dias. what's your response to that? >> well, you know, one of the things i said on the dias, i'm not an attorney and i'm not a prosecuting attorney nor am i defense attorney, but i was interested in finding facts. let's take a look at those, one, first of all we have the transcript what the conversation was about, which is where this whole thing began. two, there was no mention of aid in that, and three, both parties agree there was no pressure applied and four, aid was delivered. five, there were no investigations launched by zelensky and out of all the witnesses they've said they see no quid pro quo, no bribery, no extortion, the only conversation had directly with the president when he said there was no quid pro quo. but what would he do know, we do know that the attorney for the whistleblower who started all

this announced the coup against the president towards impeachment a couple of years ago. those are the facts. so i don't know where you go as far as trying to impeach in a situation when you're just put together the facts and what witnesses have come forward to say. a lot of accusations, but if the whole thing is based on facts, i just don't see anything there. ed: congressman, let's look forward then. because you helped us look backward. my colleague chris wallace sat down with a senior administration official on friday saying that the white house is not even sure that democrats now based on some of the things you just laid out and based on the political realities of maybe the country not being behind this, in terms of majority, in supporting the democrats, that they-- the house democrats may not go forward with impeachment. first of all, do you think they will vote on articles of impeachment? and two, chris wallace is reporting that people inside the white house now want a senate trial because they want the president to have due process and they want to call in the whistleblower to testify, you just mentioned. they want adam schiff and they

want muhunter biden to testify a trial. >> i would want adam schiff to testify, he said he didn't know the whistleblower, never met with the whistleblower. nancy pelosi announced they would launch a complaint before it was out there. did she talk to the whistleblower? there's a lot of background on this coming forward that i want to know about and the senate seems the only place where we may be able to hear any of that. i can see some logic of the white house wanting to get to the bottom of the entire story. ed: the last question, i put two in there, the first i said, do you think that the democrats are going forward with impeachment when you see the polls, a growing number of independent voters say i don't see this as impeachable offense. might the democrats walk back from the precipice? >> they might. look, they polled the word bribery to see if that would be a good word to use.

so i think they pay attention to polls. and maybe they'll just try to do a censure or something like that. i honestly can't predict. the whole thing was been unpredictable with loose sets of rules throughout the entire thing from adam schiff. ed: congressman, thank you for taking part of your weekend out with your family and our viewers, to explain these big issues. hope to have you back. >> thanks, ed, appreciate it. ed: we'll get reaction from all of this from the democrat side as promised. stay with us right after the break.

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out a pay for play scheme in the obama administration that will be devastating to the democrat party. i expected the moment i heard biden's name, i told my colleagues, they're going to try to kill me because they're going to kill the messenger, but, damn it, the mafia couldn't kill me. your colleagues are not going to kill me. ed: damn it, the mafia didn't kill me. rudy guiliani said. what an interview he just gave us, a long one. that's the president's personal attorney moments ago here on fox. let's get what we promised on the democratic said. former from the ohio state minor leader. good to see you today, thank you for coming in. >> absolutely, my pleasure. ed: you're a moderate democrat who hales from a battle ground state, ohio as i mentioned. what do you make of the mayor, what he's saying about hunter biden and joe biden and his defense of the president? >> what i would say is this, that if rudy guiliani is so concerned and, as he mentioned it, i try to be fair regardless

of what party is involved in the process here, but it seems to me that it's not the media's job necessarily to hold anyone accountable in the court of law, so to speak. maybe the court of public opinion, but it seems to me that rudy guiliani, particularly being a former, very successful prosecutor, should instead go directly to the department of justice. if these are, you know, issues of corruption that are-- and money laundering as he claims, then they rise to the level of seriousness that the department of justice needs to, you know, go forward and maybe impanel a grand jury and go through the process, i have no idea where the statute of limitations would fall on all of this. but that seems the more prudent course of action and of could,our fourth estate, the press just like you, ed, needs to ask the tough questions, too. but the department of justice has the jurisdiction. ed: to be mayor, another story broke, didn't have enough time

to get to with him. documents came out of the trump state department that basically said after bringing back some material from ukraine months ago, mayor guiliani went and the white house set up a meeting or a phone call with he and mike pompeo, secretary of state. he tried to bring that to the justice department, the state department and then he gets dragged before congress and they say, you know, this is improper in some way, you said bring it to the justice department. mayor guiliani says he's been trying to bring these facts about joe and hunter biden out there and no one wants to pay attention. >> my question, it's the trump's department and justice department, why aren't they acting? rudy guiliani isn't testifying before congress, he hasn't gone before the intelligence committee and i would surmise he's not going before the judiciary committee as they go through the process of trying put together articles of impeachment. why aren't they acting? it seems like it's up to them and i could-- i can't speak to why the trump

administration's state department and department of justice are not acting. ed: okay. >> unless they're concerned about political optics. ed: i've got a minute and a half. number one, give you a fair chance. the republican from the intel panel said it was a bad week for democrats. what's your case, this was a chance for democrats to show some facts that are not good for the president? >> sure, well, i mean, i would say that ambassador sondland and what he has basically presented, if nothing else, the potential of a quid pro quo, you know, connecting the ukrainian aid at least to a white house meeting between president trump and the ukrainian president, and the fact that he basically said that like everybody was in on it. that certainly is not a good look. i would also suggest that, you know, dr. hill and the other individual that overheard the call. ed: yeah. >> where there was president trump speaking to ambassador sondland, those were very, very

credible witnesses that basically said that this is very bad. now, there's a difference between impropriety, unethical behavior and something that rises to the level of impeachment. ed: impeachable. >> high crimes and misdemeanors and that continues to be the challenge that the democrats have and public opinion is not necessarily breaking for them, even with what i think are not positive things to come out for the president in these hearings. ed: so, it may be difficult for democrats to actually go forward with articles of impeachment. we'll see how it plays out capri, we're glad you came here. there are a number of deaths linked to vaping. a lot of kids, your kids could be involved in this and number of suicides among other veterans and assistance for the president's policy joe grogan is here live next. it is nice.

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>> you watch prohibition, and you look with the alcohol, you look at cigarettes, you look at all-- if you don't give it to them, it's going to come here illegally. they're going to make it, but instead of reynolds or juul or you know, legitimate companies, companies making stuff that's safe, they're going to be selling stuff on the street corner that could be horrible. that's the one problem i can't seem to forget. ed: president trump yesterday addressing important issue for the rise in deaths and illnesses from e-cigarettes, but warning a ban on vaping products could have a greater effect on kids. 47 vaping related deaths, and in washington. d.c. joe, thank for being on today. >> i want to quickly show you something that the president of

the american medical association said. said, i think you have the opportunity to save a generation from addiction. we know that the youth are attracted to these flavored e-cigs and to those who argue they're effective smoking cessation, the u.s. preventative task force has not found that evidence. so my question to you is, the president hinted weeks ago he might want to ban these flavored e-cigs and yesterday was saying something different. how do you balance all that? >> i think what the american people saw yesterday was a president who is focused on policy issues and focused on the american people's agenda. he's trying to figure out what the best policy solution is on this issue in real-time and that's why he hosted that extraordinary meeting with people on both sides of this issue who are tremendously passionate about it. no other president would have put that meeting together and no other president could have pulled it off the way he did. ed: okay. fair enough. so it's a big meeting, but what's the action the administration is going to take? >> well, no one disagrees that

the problem of the youth use of e-cigarettes is a problem. everybody in the room, including companies who market flavored products or used to market flavored products agree to that. the question though is whether or not in balancing the needs of adults to find an off-ramp for combustible cigarettes, what's is the response for kids not to get addicted to nicotine. that's the balance that the president is hearing from people on different sides of the issue and hearing from his experts within the administration and he's asking questions. and isn't that refreshing in washington d.c., to see the president of the united states wanting to understand an issue inside and out before he makes a decision? it's a pleasure to work for this president as he works through policy issues. it's a pleasure to give him options and the american people should be very gratified that we are out there every day working to advance a policy agenda for

the american people while the d.c. media is focused solely on impeachment. ed: absolutely. we talked to the top about important issues and another one being lowering the price of prescription drugs. the president has talked a lot about that, you have as well, but i want to read something for you from the wall street journal. they just took a look at it and said record numbers of generic drugs for cancer, heart ailments and other conditions have received u.s. approval in revent years raising hopes that competition would reduce high drug costs, but many of the lower priced medicines have not hit the market, a wall street journal review found the results, many patients force today take high-priced met since and reining in drug costs, and another one of the issues for our viewers. what's the president going to do about it? >> and there are record number of approvals out of the f.d.a. when we came into office there was a huge backlog of generic drug approvals at the f.d.a. under the president's direction

that backlog has been cleared and we've seen record number of generic approvals at a time of declining patent expirations. because of the president's leadership we actually have year over year price declines for drug prices for the first time in 50 years. what the president is focused on now is working on a bipartisan legislative package to get prices even lower, ringing in efficiencies out of the system and having greater uptake of generic drugs to lower prices for the american people at the pharmacy counter and for the american taxpayers. that's why he's working with senator grassley and wyden, republican and democrat, to get a bipartisan solution for the american people. ed: he's complained it's hard to get democrats working with him on any of the big issues. last question are veterans. we're coming up on thanksgiving, we want to be thankful of a lot of people, but our veterans in particular. i mentioned veteran suicide. the rates are despicable.

>> he's charged senator wilkie at the va, to give them what they need and at the center the care of the va and we've got over 2.2 million community care visits since the commission act was launched in june. we're instituting universal screening for mental health with veterans coming in to care. the tempo of visits between veterans and our medical professionals increased and we're working on a comprehensive report, multi-agency with a task force that the president set up by executive order which i co-chair with secretary wilkie to get those numbers down and the president's commitment is absolute. ed: we're work to go bring other issues to the table.

you've good a big job and hopefully ahead. >> thank you. ed: impeachment testimony from ambassador gordon sondland implicated not only the president, but other top officials over ukraine. my next guest is one of those mentioned by ambassador sondland. my conversation with outgoing secretary perry who insists sondland was wrong. that's next. we made usaa insurance for members like martin.

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he sharply denies that, and if they're thinking of president removed from office, any again. >> ambassador sondland goes up to the impeachment hearing and invokes your name, and testifies that you're more in on the president's investigation of the bidens than you let on. >> the record is very clear, i've talked about from the get go, i knew exactly what we've been talking about. we've been talking about corruption. we had been talking about unbundling of nafta gas. w we had been talking about poroshenko before zelensky got into office, you have to unbundle, you have to have the rule of law, you must make sure there's not corruption going on in your government if you expect americans to come in and invest here and help your country get away from the russian influence. that's been the story day after

day, not once was the name burisma or bidens mentioned to me, not by the president, not by rudy guiliani and not by gordon sondland. if anyone else is saying anything different then they're surmising and that's not a wise thing to do. i know what i saw. i know what i heard and i stand by my statements that i made all along and will continue to. ed: so you've been around politics a long time. how do you see this ending for the president? >> well, i think the president will -- he will muscle right on through this. he is an extraordinary individual, to stay focused on disciplined from the standpoint of, you know, we've got a mission here and we're going to get through it and make this happen. and you know, i don't see the american people buying into this thing. ed: do you see any chance of republicans removing him from ochs? >> lord no. ed: your critics say you don't care about the environment. >> i like to tell people that

this administration in the last-- or in the first two years of this administration, we spent more money on renewable energy than the previous administration in their last two years, and we increased the budget of our national labs by 43% and a lot of that goes towards, you know, technology, the national energy renewable lab, but here is what's most important. because this president understood that american lng could really impact the emissions issue in europe, and he basically said, i want you to go sell lng like the world looks flat. go get this done. here is what he said when i was sitting in his office, getting energy back in september of 2016. perry, here is what i want you to do, i want you to go do for

america what you did for texas. i've got it done, mr. president. that's what we've done. we're selling american lng into 36 different countries on five continents. the europeans saved $8 billion last year because american lng and the competition it brought to the market over there against russian gas, not only are they not held hostage by russian gas, they're also saving money. americans, americans because of the shale revolution, over$200 billion saved last year and you do the math on that, that's for a family of four, that's about $2500 a year that americans saved because of the regulations and the taxes that basically said to the -- in this case, the fossil fuel industry, go out and develop this and they have. here is the result.

our emissions are lower than any country that's a signature to that paris agreement. and in 1987 energy related emissions. that's a good story. ed: what do you see when you look across at the democrats. they had another debate last night and you've been through this as you say a few times. >> i hear too many people talking about if you vote for me, here is what i'll give you. free, free, free, free, free. i think there's a tv ad that says that, isn't it? what they're giving away free. there are no free lunches. stuff costs. we need to get this country focused on how blessed we are today to have the resources that we have, to have the freedoms that we have, and don't let them get away from us. ed: i want to figure out where you're going next, but when i

went to your office and saw the pillow with davy crockett, you all can go to hell, i'm going to texas. >> and davy crockett was elected to congress, and third time he got defeated. he went to jackson, tennessee. lamar alexander and i were talking about this, he went to a little courthouse in jackson, tennessee and stood up on the courthouse and said, sure enjoyed working for you, but he said you all may go to hell, i'm going to texas. [laughter] >> you're going to do something similar, going to capitol hill, the white house? >> i'm going to tell anybody to go to hell. it's been an incredible four -- three years of working up here and i'm -- i love my wife and i love texas. ed: you can catch part two of my interview with secretary perry here on sunday and he talks about his faith and reveals he recently gave the president a one-page memo about old testament prophets sent by god to do good things. a revealing look inside the oval

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trial in the senate where the republicans hold the majority. mark meredith on the north lawn of the white house. >> reporter: donald trump continues to insist the impeachment inquiry is a witchhunt and a hoax and the white house says it is focused on other things like trade and policies closer to home. and what is happening behind-the-scenes, and they were obtained through freedom of information, he was in touch with mike pompeo. it henry says so much attention is being paid to donald trump and his behavior but he believes the focus should be on joe biden and his relationship with ukraine.

and asked giuliani if he worried he could be indicted. >> are you afraid you could be indicted? >> how long have you known me? >> reporter: several years. >> am i afraid? >> i don't know. >> that i get afraid? i represented my client in a very effective way. i was so effective i discovered a pattern of corruption the washington press has been covering up for three or four years. >> reporter: he blamed the press corps saying the administration has been trying to tell people what is happening behind-the-scenes but that story has not been getting out. i had a chance to ask the new york city mayor about his thoughts on former national security adviser john bolton who lawmakers on capitol hill are eager to here's from. here's what giuliani had to say. >> for john to say i am a hand grenades is a moment. >> reporter: the president pushed back against the

testimony on capitol hill. he says this is a legitimate, accuses democrats of playing unfairly. the president fired off the tweet first thing this morning and wrote adam schiff will be compelled to testify, should the democrats decide despite the fact my presidential conversations were totally appropriate to go forward with the impeachment hoax. and if the house were to vote on impeachment and they would have a good chance in the senate, the president meet face-to-face with two republicans, and it will be interesting to see how the white house moves forward.

>> the next steps remain unclear but some members of the house judiciary committee expect to see movement after the thanksgiving holiday. after those public hearings what can we expect to see next? >> there is a lot we could see but a lot remains unclear. it will be a busy holiday season on capitol hill. there are additional hearings or depositions. if it doesn't the next step is to put together a report for the judiciary committee on what the investigation found so far. the judiciary committee has a series of its own or could go ahead, the articles of impeachment. the potential impeachment articles include bribery, abuse of power, the white house efforts to block witnesses and testimony and obstruction of justice. house judiciary members are expecting impeachment articles by december 20th which likely puts a full house vote around christmas.

216 votes are needed to approve articles for impeachment, democrats are not expecting any republicans to jump on board with that effort. republicans expect it to pass, something democrats could give up on impeachment altogether. >> i don't know that there is no republican support. i talked to a number of people who are deeply disturbed and are being very cautious. their arms are being broken. >> they might. they pulled the word bribery to see if that would be a good word to use. they pay attention to polls and they will try to do a censure or something like that. i can't predict, because it has been unpredictable with loose sets of rules throughout the whole thing from adam schiff. >> reporter: of the house approves article of impeachment, it will be about a two week trial after mitch mcconnell and minority leader chuck schumer work out an agreement on the trial's parameters.

white house officials say they want a pool trial in the senate, for republicans to call witnesses, democrats deny them in the house hearings, hunter biden and nelly ohr of fusion gps, there's a lot unclear about when a trial would take place. the thinking by a lot of folks on capitol hill that it would take place in january or february but there's a lot that could happen. kristen: it will be fascinating to see what impact that has on the 2020 race because so many democratic contenders need to be back in washington. >> reporter: a lot of will effect. leland: february iowa caucuses. kristen: i believe so. thank you. we get to 2020 in a minute but for reaction to the house impeachment hearing is what we expect next, the chairman of the house armed services, congressman washington state, frequent guest on the show,

appreciate it as always. this is what nancy pelosi had to say in march about impeachment, she said impeachment is so divisive to the country, unless there is something so compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan i don't think we should go down that path because it divide the country and he, meaning the president, is just not worth it. overwhelming, compelling and bipartisan. that doesn't seem to be working out so well. >> what changed since the speaker made the comments and it is clear she's not anxious to do this. i am not anxious to do this. there are a lot of things we would prefer to work on. we saw what happened in ukraine in the testimony from last week, the president is very clearly abusing his power. for all the smokescreen it is clear what happened. leland: if it is so clear wiser not bipartisan? >> i can't speak for why republicans are not choosing to what is in front of their face.

the power donald trump has over the republican party. they stepped down from office and decided not to run again because they don't think they can win a primary. that is the biggest reason. leland: you have had 30 plus hours of hearings and still the polling is upside down on impeachment. plus 2 for the president staying in office. in wisconsin, 53-40 in favor of the president staying in office, this republicans in congress but the mac and people are not convinced either. >> i can't speak to the polling data. it has been split. don't forget the fact which i would like to explain. the president sent rudy giuliani to ukraine. originally he sent him to

establish russia hadn't interfered in the election. it was pointed out, russian propaganda, russia is working to undermine democracy in this country and throughout europe. the fact the president -- leland: i don't think there's any argument. >> there is an argument. the president of the united states refuses to acknowledge that that happened. leland: is that -- >> right now what we are trying to do in the defense bill is put in place and election security provision to hold russia accountable in 2020. it is being blocked by senate republicans. there is not a never told the president accountable and that is why many democrats like me, i don't want to go down the impeachment road. i didn't want to go down there prior to what happened in ukraine. if the present is turning a blind eye to russian interference and is more focused

on his political interests than in ukraine, the national security - leland: if -- i understand you're making at the american people but my question remains if you are making it to the american people and after 30 hours of hearings there is not this overwhelming bipartisan - i am wondering what about the message democrats are selling? the american people and independent voters buying? >> i don't know where the american people are or are not. many support impeachment. >> we are not talking watergate that was 75%. >> that is a remarkable statistic than our divided political environment. leland: remarkable that half the people agree to something? >> i tried to be fair in these interviews but if i can't get more than four five words out. let me try this.

this is an incredibly important issue. of the president, which you don't want to talk about at all, has actually done what we said he has done and 12 witnesses said he did do exactly what he thought he did which was leverage taxpayer money to try to pressure ukraine into doing investigations to serve his personal political purposes that is an incredible threshold to democracy and i'm not going to turn a blind eye. leland: we only have 15 seconds. i take what you are saying is today you are yes on a vote to impeach? >> i want to see what the articles of impeachment are. i'm not going to say yes to something that hasn't come up yet. i am deeply concerned about the fact this whole discussion completely ignore what happened which is really -- leland: i have 2 -- if you are spending at this weight is no wonder.

>> you appreciate it, when you make a decision come back and tell us. >> happy to. leland: happy thanks giving to you and yours. kristen: for the republican perspective, a member of the senate judiciary and armed services committee, marsha blackburn. off of all the public hearings we heard over the last two weeks did you hear anything that might make you change your mind and side with democrats on impeachment? >> i have not heard anything that would make me change my mind. you heard witness after witness say there is nothing that rises to the level of impeachment, there is no quid pro quo, there is not extortion, there is not bribery. what we know is democrats have been on this for three years. they said they were going to impeach donald trump, we are coming up on an election, they haven't done it yet. they are searching for anything to hang their hat on.

as you just heard my friend adam smith say, they are waiting to see what the articles of impeachment are going to be and i have to tell you this is very different from what transpired around bill clinton, richard nixon. kristen: you say nothing rises the level of impeachment. is there anything you learned from these impeachment hearings in terms of the president's behavior of people who work with the president that you have a problem with? >> we are always watching to make sure people are abiding on our side over in the legislative branch, congressional ethics. we know that the office of ethics there is a white house monitored very closely and they watch communications, they watch what people say and we know they are part of this process.

we can disagree with a policy. we can disagree with words but we do know nothing arises to the level of impeachment. kristen: i want to ask about one of the witnesses the testified this week, lieutenant colonel vindman, you said something that is getting a lot of play. you said vindictive vindman is the whistleblower act handler. that got a lot of play on twitter. democrat congressman from virginia city response that we, quote, it is lieutenant colonel vindman and you don't know anything about the whistleblower. ignorant, disgraceful comments attacking heroes who put on the uniform do not help anyone. your response to that and you stand by your statement? >> i do stand by my tweet. as a conservative woman i'm accustomed to be treated as a fourth class citizen in washington dc and certainly by the liberal press. here is what we know.

lieutenant colonel vindman, and we honor him for his service to the country but we question his testimony. we know that his direct supervisor said he had a problem with judgment. he had a problem staying in the chain of command and what he was doing was going outside the chain of command both with his concerns and his grudge that he had against the president because the president wasn't taking his advice. that is not how you handle it. you can call it being revengeful or vindictive or whatever you want to do but what we do now also is he would not answer the question when it came to who he went to in the intel agency. kristen: you say he is the

whistleblower act handler, but vindman testified under oath that he does not know who the whistleblower is. this is a serious point because you are essentially accusing him perhaps of committing a crime, perjury, lying under oath. are you saying lieutenant colonel vindman was lying? >> when you listen to the testimony he said he didn't know the whistleblower in the individual testimony. what he did say was he wouldn't answer the question in the public testimony. there is a lot more we will hear about what has transpired. as you look at this issue with the house and their hearing, also as you look at what is going to happen with the horwitz report, we will get earlier in december and have our hearing at the senate judiciary committee on december 11th and the opportunity to review that before. >> someone who is a purple heart recipient, are you saying

lieutenant colonel vindman lied? >> there is no problem with his service and we honor his service. i am saying we question his testimony. kristen: are you questioning his testimony that he knew who the was a lower is? >> we question his testimony. we look forward -- this is something, look at this. it is a difficult time for our country. people want to get the facts and they once to make certain the people who are giving testimony are giving it in a credible manner, that they are abiding by the chain of command and we know the individual has been pointed out by his supervisors as having trouble with judgment and trouble with the chain of command. kristen: he said he did not

breach the chain of command, he went to the legal counsel on the national security council as instructed to do but i understand your point, thank you so much. >> good to be with you. we will have much more on impeachment. chris wallace has an exclusive interview with eric's wall well and then howie kurtz will be talking about the coverage of this week's hearings on media buzz. leland: iran is ordered to pay $180 million to washington post and his family. jason roseand sued iran for torturing and when he was held captive on espionage charges, 544 days. he was first detained in 2014, released in 2016 as part of a prisoner swap between the united states and iran, it includes $150 million in punitive damages, a lot of questions whether he will be able to collect.

>> a book on brett cavanagh is facing criticism before it shows. the book supreme ambition, brett cavanagh and the conservative takeover was written by washington post a beauty editorial page editor ruth marcus. according to the post reporter, robert barnes, the book claims justice anthony kennedy asked donald trump to put brett kavanaugh on the supreme court in 2017 after neil gorsuch was sworn in. a source involved in the confirmation process told fox exclusively that kennedy, quote, never went and lobbied the president on any prospect of nominee, a second source adding the claim is, quote, flat wrong, way off, a big swing and miss. marcus says she stands by her reporting. leland: life pictures, new london, new hampshire, amy klobuchar on the stump for the first in the country primary.

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even though he has come up in three recent polls within one, 20% of likely democratic iowa caucus goers said they support south bend, indiana mayor pete buttigieg is mayor pete is a of both progressives and that paul, elizabeth warren and bernie sanders, as well as the more moderate front runner, former vice president joe biden. buttigieg is fighting to keep the moderate lane from biden. he is not worried about the recent polls in iowa, in this constant swing state. >> every major iowa election caucus has been determined in the last 3 to 5 weeks. if you take a look at those polls. i'm not running on the polls but the most important thing a candidate can be donald trump. who is most likely to beat donald trump? >> reporter: in des moines biden got a big endorsement from former iowa governor, biden made

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>> rudy giuliani telling and henry in the last hour in exclusive interview on fox what he thinks about joe biden. >> i don't care what he said, he is lying.

he has the line all his life. he has been a corrupt politician since his brother got phony loans when he was in the senate. every place joe biden was a point man appointed by obama, biden family came away with millions. kristen: he claims there is a massive cover-up, and has documents to prove it. leland: mike pence is heading home after an unannounced trip to iraq, donald trump's he could visit to the troops. he joins us now. >> when americans were sleeping, mike pence made his first trip to iraq landing a 3:30 eastern time, 11:30 local. the same base where the assault force launched to kill abu bakr al-baghdadi. there was a thanksgiving message from donald trump. >> the president wanted us to be here at the start of this holiday week and make sure how

thankful we are and every american is for your courageous service. we know it has to be hard to be so far away from home especially at this time of year. >> reporter: the vice president was accompanied by his wife karen who served the thanks giving meal to 5000 us troops in iraq. the second week 50 us forces pullback from syria's border with turkey, the turkish invasion killing hundreds of kurds, lawmakers criticized the president for withdrawing calling a betrayal. the vice president was asked about the criticism on the second stop to curtis dan. >> i don't think there was any confusion among the leadership in the kurdish region that donald trump's commitment to our allies in iraq as well as to those in the syrian defense forces we fought alongside of his in changing.

>> the aircraft carrier uss abraham lincoln into the persian gulf for the first time since arriving in the region in may. the past 6 months the aircraft carrier was sitting outside the gulf. without knowing the secret -- the vice president was in iraq, frantic defense minister criticize the trump administration for disengaging from the middle east. iraq and iran, 500 people have been killed in widespread protest in both countries. pence said he spoke to iraq's prime minister about the issue. leland: we will get more on what he said. he and his wife -- their son is a marine pilot so they know a little more about what these families are going through with their loved ones overseas. kristen: the scandal over the death of accused sexual predator jeffrey epstein, two prison guards charged at the time of epstein's that are due back in court. we have the latest on the

investigation. jackie? >> reporter: federal investigators said those guards failed to do their 30 minute celtics for a full eight hours and falsified paperwork to cover it up. there were plea deals but they turned them down. now we are waiting to see who else might be charged. 20 prison employees were subpoenaed. the top law enforcement officer in the country is putting to bed speculation that jeffrey epstein didn't kill himself. william barr speaking for the first time on the matter saying even he has doubts that epstein committed suicide but the investigation showed it was the perfect storm of screwups. several security cameras in epstein's wing were down at the time of his suicide but bar says there was enough tape from other areas of the jail to show nobody entered epstein's area. meanwhile another woman filed suit on thursday claiming jeffrey epstein prayed on her when she was underage, she was raped and sexually abused by epstein at his home in new york, paris, florida, new mexico, the virgin islands.

she produced a photo of herself with epstein in a helicopter. her attorney said she was smiling at the time because she didn't realized epstein had a predatory plan for her. >> jeffrey epstein prayed upon me. he put me in a vulnerable and dependent situation and took advantage of me. i was only 17 years old. i was a little girl. >> reporter: several women sued epstein's estate for damages. kenneth feinberg oversaw the process for the victims compensation fund. leland: where is the story going? we bring in talk radio host from new orleans, what is the arc of the story. william barr said epstein killed himself, fine. is this focusing on the victims or how epstein was enabled? >> reporter: both. what william barr said was important.

a lot of people were speculating he was murdered. that put it to rest at the time being. we need to figure out how this perfect storm occurred. why wasn't the video camera working. why did guards not do their job? where was the cellmate? these need to be investigated. >> you have two people charged. the story of how he died really the story or is it more how he was enabled going back and looking at the decision made to give him a sweetheart deal when he went in her house and was able to pray on these women. >> we have to look at the role of prince andrew. this is a major scandal for the royal family. he was with jeffrey epstein after he already admitted to the crime in 2008. he was with him in 2010. may be the worst interview in the history of the royal family, he goes up there before the

cameras and does not show remorse. he defends his relationship with epstein calling it useful and the aftermath was prince andrew no longer has his office at buckingham palace. leland: the new york post had fun with that development. the worst interview the royal family ever had, either a high bar or lobar depending how you put it. we will get back to it. >> he was staying at the house of a convicted sex offender. >> it was a convenient place to stay. he quite obviously conducted himself in a manner unbecoming. >> unbecoming? he was a sex offender. >> i am being polite. he was a sex offender. >> reporter: even the crown prince of the royal family, better than they treat themselves.

>> this is horrific, just to hear the way he was defending his relationship. he was a monster and prince andrew was with jeffrey epstein numerous times over a decade. the relationship started in 90s and past 2010. this is totally inappropriate. the royal family should have taken action before this. it took a bbc interview for them to do something but this should have been asked on years ago. leland: seems like a lot of things should have been acted on years ago not only by members of the royal family but people in the united states after his conviction. >> he had powerful friends and that is one of the reasons, he should have been charged many years ago.

leland: who needs to advocate, who needs to hold accountable the people who would hang around epstein and go to dinners that his house, not that they did anything wrong but who you keep company with says a lot about you. >> the first person to hold accountable is william barr who one out that this case die and pursue this. we put our confidence in william barr for doing the job he needs to do. nowhere close to finishing the jeffrey epstein -- all these different developments. >> we get something new, william barr, he had questions about

whether this was a suicide gives credence to the idea that he has serious investigations looking into it. appreciate your thoughts. kristen: a young woman appears in court charged with involuntary manslaughter. the latest case, whether text messages for over 22-year-old boyfriend to kill himself. 448,134 to be exact. they answered 410 questions in 8 categories about vehicle quality. and when they were done, chevy earned more j.d. power quality awards across cars, trucks and suvs than any other brand over the last four years. so on behalf of chevrolet, i want to say "thank you, real people." you're welcome. we're gonna need a bigger room.

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rob: travelers need to pack their patients when they hit the road this year. 55 million americans were traveling to travel 50 miles from work, the second busiest thanksgiving travel day in history. 50 million people hit the road, the most since 2005, 4 to have billion expected to fly. the worst time to travel, wednesday afternoon.

in the weather, will play a very large role for those on the road. meteorologist adam klotz in the extreme weather center. some cities, not good to be flying. >> we are tracking one big weather system and then we will get a break. early in the upcoming week things will be looking good. temperatures across the country right now. anytime you see cold air bumping against warmer air that is the frontal boundary where we track the most whether activity. this is the system running across portions of the southeast, very heavy rain into portions of the carolinas toward virginia. this is a system we are tracking the next couple days as it works its way up the coast. by the time you get into sunday afternoon we are looking at relatively heavy rain stretching up and down the coast. on the backside of that system the air gets colder. with the colder air we see snow

across the midwest. maybe into upstate new york, places like that. those are areas we see relatively large amounts of rain. this is the rainfall from that system and some locations anywhere from 2 to 3 inches so this could be a steady downpour for folks across the mid-atlantic on sunday afternoon. on the backside of the system, on sunday into monday into tuesday. there will be a system right here, lining up wednesday into thursday. that is the next when we are watching. there is a gap in the mini go the week. leland: if you have time to spare, go by air. what chicago and newark for that. kristen: a young woman is facing manslaughter charges for harassing her boyfriend with

text messages to the point that he killed himself, flew back from south korea, that her text encouraged her boyfriend to kill himself. he killed himself may 20th before he was supposed to graduate from boston college. 47,000 text messages. law enforcement and prosecutors describing the messages in court. >> she texted him to kill himself, go die, told him her life and his family's life would be better off without him. we are starting a long process of holding this person accountable for what we see as egregious and reckless behavior. >> reporter: he had withdrawn from boston college and return to south korea after o'toole's death. she is a naturalized citizen, described the situation,

emotionally needy young people and a toxic relationship and the defense said young did not want that. if you ever loved me please stop, just moments before he leapt to his death. >> to further punish young woman who loved this man would only compound the tragedy that already exists. >> and was released after posting $5000 bail. the next court date is in january. you can't hear about this case and not think about the other case in massachusetts. eddie rispone leland: there are some differences in that michelle carter told her boyfriend to get back in the car, the carbon monoxide and other things she said as well.

this other case, this is the person who killed himself writing to his girlfriend, i will go die for you, whatever will make you happy and that is one text message back in april. how profoundly sad at this point and at the same point you hear prosecutors saying if you encourage people and boule somebody into hurting themselves or manipulate them there is a responsibility for that. kristen: you should be held accountable. two live destroyed by this. leland: we will head overseas to hong kong where they are asking police to stop using teargas on protesters as residents are going to the polls. jonathan hunt in hong kong with how the unrest is electing -- affecting elections. >> reporter: we are just hours away from the polls opening, and

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leland: polls open in a few hours in hong kong, that area gripped by pro-democracy protests per month. jonathan hunt is there where it is already early sunday morning. >> reporter: good morning. pro-democracy activists have expressed concern that the hong kong government intends to deploy riot police asked or near many polling stations today. they will be further concerned at the emergence of new video that appears to show chinese troops right here in hong kong involved in riot control drills. the video was obtained by reuters and showed the barracks in full riot gear. campaigning continued through saturday with pro-democracy activists hoping for high turnout. >> we have a better turnout than

four years ago with solidarity and unity. >> reporter: pro beijing lawmakers say the only way to restore order is for the voters to back establishment candidates. >> my message is say no to violence and vote for order. that is my message to the party. >> reporter: there remains confusion throughout hong kong after what donald trump is doing, he is prevaricating over whether he will sign the human rights and democracy act. leland: that has to do with the trade talks are going on. thank you.

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