thanks for inviting us into your home tonight. that's it for this "special report." fair, balanced, and still unafraid. we are here for you and one day closer to getting this all behind us. "the story" hosted by martha maccallum starts now. >> martha: one day closer is always good news. thank you. good to see you tonight. good evening, everybody. i am martha maccallum and this is "the story." moments ago president trump telling americans it seems we are past the peak of covid-19. the president says that means we are on a strong position to finalize the guidelines for states to begin this reopening process. we are going to talk about that a lot tonight. the guidelines we are told will be announced tomorrow. more on those developments in a moment. also tonight, secretary of state mike pompeo is standing by here to respond to the escalating showdown with the world health organization and what is the impact on all of this with our

relationship with china. also reports the state department officials tried to blow the whistle on a wuhan lab and said it was essentially a pandemic that was waiting to happen two years ago. did it trigger a response? we're going to talk about that and other things as well with the secretary in a moment. as sources tell fox news they've been briefed on details that add up to the quote costliest government cover up of all time by china. moments ago the president again called out the world health organization which he has called china-centric. >> reporter: multiple sources telling fox news today that the united states government now has high confidence that while the coronavirus is a naturally occurring virus, it emanated from a variety lab in wuhan and because of lack safety protocols, and in turn was infected who later infected her boyfriend and then went to the wet market in wuhan where it

began to spread. is that correspond with what you have heard? >> president trump: i don't want to say that, john, but i will tell you more and more we are hearing the story we will see. using multiple sources. there is a case where you can use the word sources. we are doing a very thorough examination of this horrible situation that happens. go ahead please. >> martha: we begin this evening, glad to be joined by secretary of state mike pompeo, secretary pompeo, thank you very much for being with us tonight. your thoughts, your reaction to the story and the question from john roberts. what do you say to that? >> martha, thanks for having me on the show tonight. the mere fact that john had to ask the question, the mere fact that we don't know the answers, that china hasn't share the answers come i think it's very, very telling. to your point, the president said there are multiple sources. we know that this virus originated in wuhan china.

we know there is the wuhan institute of virology a handful of miles away away from where the wet market was. there is government is working diligently to figure it out. we really need the chinese government to open up, they say they want to cooperate. one of the best ways they can find to cooperate would be to let the world and then let the world scientists know exactly how this came to be, exactly how this virus began to spread. today you saw further evidence that there were days, days that went by from when the chinese communist party, the leadership there knew about this virus before they told the public writ large. a lot of cases, a lot of movement, a lot of travel around the world before the chinese communist party came clean about what really transpired. these are the kinds of things that open governments and democracies don't do. it's why it's such risk associated with the absence of transparency. we needed today. >> martha: it's hard to imagine giving everything that

so many countries that been through how different it might have been if china had immediately been clear about what they knew about the origin of this virus and if they had shut down all the travel at that point. there were tens of thousands of people who flew out of the wuhan area after that point. how does this not to have a very negative, heavyweight impact on our relationship with china going forward? >> martha, i will say this. i've talked to my counterparts all across the world over the past handful of days. they all see this too. it's very difficult to make the case that it was anything but the absence of shared information in a timely fashion they didn't just put americans at risk. it put people all across the world at risk. it wasn't until the end of january we brought the first americans on the roughly the 800 people we got back from wuhan itself, they were at risk for an awfully long time. the chinese government needs to come clean to be accountable.

they need to explain what happened and why that information wasn't made more broadly available. we could have done things differently. the world would have responded quickly. frankly, the international health organizations didn't do us any favors either in making sure this information was broadcast in a way that it needed to be, transparent and full information. >> martha: the president has made a lot of effort to be very supportive of his friendship and his relationship with president xi, even on january 24, saying he hoped it worked out well. he appreciated the efforts of the transparency of the part of the chinese government. he wanted to thank president xi for that. can those kind of statements go forward anymore? i have the president has talked a lot about the trade deal and making sure that they don't renege on their promises there. it almost feels like that's the one piece that's holding that relationship together at this point, because we are counting on those trade agreements and those trade relationships with china. >> way of seeing the president

be serious about writing the disaster that was the trade relationship before he came to office. he has made it more fair and reciprocal. we have an application they will live up to their obligation. as for the relationship, we want to cooperate. 1.5 billion people. we want the chinese people to be successful but it requires leadership engaging in the international community on a fair and reciprocal basis, sharing information way we expect every nation too. it doesn't appear that happened here. the president talked about their data and the asked if anybody believed the numbers of deaths in the numbers of cases inside china. that is the kind of doubt and uncertainty that happens when you close down, when you kick journalists out of your country. all we are asking is for the chinese to cooperate and share that information. it would be helpful for the united states and it would keep the chinese people safer too.

>> martha: do you trust what you hear from the chinese officials when you deal with them? >> it varies. i try to take them at their word but every relationship we have we are trying to make sure we verify everything. it's not about words. it's about actions. we need to make sure every country lives up to the commitment they made. >> martha: i want to ask you about these cables, the story that came out a couple days ago in "the washington post" by josh rogan that said they were cables that were highlighting very big concerns about what was going on in these wuhan labs, that they felt there weren't enough people they are, the highly contagious and dangerous materials they were dealing with with these bats and viruses. they said it was highly likely that a pandemic could result from home is handled everything was there. what happened to those cables? who received them in the state department? who went over them and the state department two years ago? >> martha, i appreciate you want to ask about that. i can't comment on the cables

tonight. i can say that this is a laboratory that contained highly contagious materials. we knew that. we knew that they were working on this program. many countries have programs like this. in countries that are open and transparent, they have the ability to control and keep them safe and they allow outside observers into make sure all the processes and procedures are right. i only wish that it happened in this place. we would know more about it and we would know more about what's transpired there. if anything, today. >> martha: is that something that you're looking into, what happened to those bits of information and who followed up on them? >> absolutely, martha. we are doing a full investigation and everything we can to learn how it is that this virus got away, got out into the world and now it's created so much tragedy, so much death in the united states and around the world an enormous cost of the global economy as well. >> martha: one person who was obviously also very involved in world health is bill gates.

he takes issue with the american decision, the president's decision to stop funding them at least temporarily until we get some answers. here's what he said. "holding funding for the world health organization during world health crisis is as dangerous as it sounds. their work is showing the spread of covid-19 and if that work is stopped, no other organization can replace them. the world needs the w.h.o. now more than ever." what do you say to that, given the president's decision? >> what the world needs is an institution, an organization that actually delivers on the mission, the thing the preside president, the president made the decision because the world health organization didn't do that. for an awfully long time it said there wasn't a pandemic. delayed announcemen announcement things they knew inside china going on. that's about politics, not science. we need a scientific organization engaged in medical, epidemiological, and health work it was designed to do. the president has put a pause on funding and we will evaluate how

it should be executed. designed to make sure we protect america and american taxpayers. >> martha: yeah. before i let you go, i want to ask about this is ronnie -- iranian vessels, dangerous and harassing approaches to warships in the gulf. as close as 10 yards away. we have video. what can you tell us? >> i will let the department of defense talk about that but we have seen this before. the iranians behaved in ways that were inconsistent with international law. to think the american people know president trump is serious about protecting americans and our military, protecting our navy. i'm very confident will make decisions that do that and i will leave it to the department of defense to talk about the details of how we are thinking about that at this point. >> martha: all right, any state department discussion on that at this point with you and the defense department? or with iran, for that matter?

>> yes, we have talked as a team and across the interagency. we are evaluating how best to respond and best communicate our displeasure with what took place. >> martha: all right. we'll be watching. with office virus going on, love of the things going on in the world so we appreciate you responding. secretarsecretary pompeo, thank. >> have a wonderful evening, ma'am. >> martha: you too. center ted cruz joins me. thank you for being here tonight. you hear all of the conversation and you have been involved in trying to crack down on some of the disinformation that's come out of china. tell me a little bit about that effort, senator. >> well, martha, great to be with you. china has long been the most significant geopolitical threat the united states faces in the communist government there

engages in oppression and torture of its citizens. we have always viewed it as a human rights offense when they center and silence free speech. we have now seen as not just a human rights threat but it's also a threat to national security and global health. when it comes to this wuhan outbreak, the chinese communist government has direct responsibility, direct culpability for silencing, covering it up. you had brave physician whistle-blowers blowing the whistle, the chinese government came down on them and silence them, did everything they could to keep it quiet. had they acted promptly, there may well have been a possibility this could have been contained as a regional outbreak. instead it became a global pandemic. the lives lost, many are directly at china's doorstep. i think there needs to be direct accountability. i introduced legislation today to sanction chinese officials that are engaged and actively censoring and silencing public health information that

endangers the lives of americans and people around the globe. >> martha: that's what i wanted to ask you. i think everybody recognizes the bad actor that china is in this situation. where are the teeth? how do you make it matter? how do you change their behavior with consequences, an act of congress? >> there needs to be accountability. first we have to defeat this crisis. we have to defeat the pandemic, the public health pandemic and also the economic crisis. afterwards there needs to be a careful accountability as to the communist governments in china's responsibility. both for covering it up and suppressing it, that we know. and also one of the communist government played an inadvertent part in the outbreak itself. you are just talking with secretary pompeo. there were two state department cables that you reference that occurred early on the described two different labs in wuhan within miles of where outbreak

occurred that were studying bat corona viruses. the chinese government does not want to answer questions about whether they were studying the novel coronavirus and whether it was an accidental escape from their own lab. there needs to be real accountability because the state department was worried about the threat of a pandemic from these labs before the pandemic occurred. that may be part of the cover up. they don't want to answer basic questions. i think the united states, i think the world community needs to insist on accountability and consequences for china's responsibility here. i also think we need to reassess china's role in our supply chain. far too much of our medical products, our pharmaceuticals, are manufactured in china and they threaten the lives of americans, cutting off vital medicines. we need to bring critical infrastructure back to the united states of america. >> martha: yeah, i think, you know, a lot of who would like to

see legislation around that and perhaps incentives for pharmaceutical companies that make it more reasonable to produce these drugs at home. that's what they're going to need in order to create change for their shareholders and the bottom line. it's obviously concerned to them as well. senator cruz, thank you. good to see you. >> thank you. always good to be with you, martha. >> martha: you too. hope is around the corner. kids are starting to go back to school, and it's starting to happen as we speak in some parts of europe. then they say after that they are going to look at restaurants and shops opening up next. what we should be watching in europe right now as we get ready to hear more about the plan for our country tomorrow. stay here tonight. that's coming up next. refunding our customers a portion of their personal auto premiums. learn more at libertymutual.com/covid-19.

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>> martha: in the past few weeks, covid-19 is killed -- has killed more than 27,000 americans. in that same stretch it's put 17 million people out of work in the united states. that's a 10% of the labor market and that is just so far. this is why we are seeing protests in places like michigan. we are also seeing a lot of governors across this country who are very anxious to get things open again because they are very concerned about the health impact of all of that unemployment all over the country. betsy mccoy wrote a piece today for "the new york post," very well done. she says "every 1% hike in the unemployment rate will likely produce a 3.3% increase in drug overdose deaths an and the neary 1% in increase in suicides.

if unemployment hits 32%, as some say it might, some 77,000 americans are likely to die from suicide and drug overdoses as a result of layoffs." here is president trump touching on this concept a moment ago. >> president trump: there's also death involved in keeping a close and i've gone over this with you and i believe it so strongly. when you look at mental health. when you look at suicides, suicide hotlines which are exploding. people losing their jobs. when you look at drugs and people that didn't take drugs and now they are becoming drug addicted because they are going through a problem. they have no job. they have no money coming in. >> martha: betsy mccoy joined may, chairwoman of the committee to reduce infection deaths and she is the former lieutenant governor of new york. betsy, good to see you as alwa always. the numbers that i spoke up that

are in your piece today in "the new york post," where do they come from? how do you substantiate those increases in suicide and overdose? >> that's right, these numbers are not theoretical models. this is based on actual historical data. for example, the numbers related to drug overdose deaths. the national bureau of economic research. the numbers relating to the length between unemployment and suicide come right out of the very procedures medical journal. instead of relying on theoretical models, as we predict coronavirus deaths, we are relying on actual historical facts to predict very soundly that the number of deaths from the shutdown may be the number of deaths from the coronavirus. our goal is to avoid death of all sorts.

>> martha: yeah, absolutely. do you think that we overshot the market with these lockdowns in the first place? >> it's hard to say but i can say this. continuing the shutdown is certainly going to put more lives at risk then it probably will save. you cited the likely deaths from drug overdoses and from suicides. there are other deaths and despair as well. for example, the very close link between alcohol abuse and losing your job or losing a business you've built for years. even heart attacks. then numbers show us that with everything else being the same, people who lose their job are 63% more at risk of dying than someone who still has a job.

>> martha: what do you recommend? we're going to start talking about reopening the economy and in some ways it's hard to imagine that we don't get too much higher unemployment rates. a lot of businesses simply won't survive. they will come back. other businesses that once the government money comes back -- runs out, they are not going to be able to continue. lifestyle things have changed as well. what's your outlook is for us surviving this economically? >> our elected officials have to weigh carefully the advice from public health officials, like the esteemed dr. anthony fauci or dr. deborah birx. they are laser focused on their job which is eliminating a disease. the coronavirus. but our elected officials also have to weigh the other factors, the terrible impact of unemployment on health, on longevity, on families.

and take steps that really balance both issues. for example, starting to open up in the parts of the country that are least affected. starting to open up with what's least affected. even in new york city, the epicenter, only one child in the entire state under ten has died of coronavirus. it's tragic, of course, but very unusual. so it's likely we should be able to open the schools soon. that will enable many people to go back to work as well. >> martha: yeah. i think we need to look at opening the schools may be early, in august or something, to kind of make up for some of this lost time and get kids ahead because that's a big concern. a lot of loss of learning that's happened over the course of these past few months. quickly. >> we have technological innovations, many ways to make our workplaces safe, whether it's a law firm or another

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>> martha: all the stimulus in the world will not lift economies out of this hole. businesses do need to reopen and your rope is slowly starting that process now with schools and stores opening in stages and some of the country. in moments, a infectious disease specialist joins us with the guidelines for keeping a lid on the virus and getting the country back to mental and economic health by going back to work. first, senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot with the story from london tonight. >> as covid-19 cases and fatalities begin to slow down here in europe, the continent is looking at ways to ease this lockdown. spain is one of the most hard-hit countries, nearly

19,000 dead. the economy is hard-hit. this week it's allowing construction and factory workers, 4 million people, to go back on the job. not all are comfortable doing it. italy is trying in small ways to come out of its lockdown, allowing bookstores, stationery shops and children's clothing shops to reopen. but not on the most hard-hit northern part of the country were infection rates remain hi high. denmark opened up its primary schools today. other countries starting school in stages over the next week. the idea is to give the adults working at home or beginning to go back to work a break without worrying about the kids. germany says it will start to open small shops beginning next week. testing there has been crucial in keeping deaths down. across europe, it's seen as key to safely opening up society in the shutdown. the u.k. will announce tomorrow how long it will extend its

social distancing. it's expected to last at least another three weeks, well into may, as many other countries here in europe as they gradually, carefully restart. martha. >> martha: greg palkot, thank you very much. joining me now, dr. amos adalka, thank you for joining us. what do you make of that piece? what's your response? >> this is what we can expect in the united states. it will be a layered, gradual reopening based on local conditions and most portly hospital capacity. that's what we have to preserve. restart to interact again, there's going to be born cases. the virus didn't go anywhere. want to make sure that the cases occur at a slow enough clip that our hospitals aren't overwhelmed and that's going to be different in different parts of the

country or maybe even state. want to do with data in a safe manner. >> martha: what about testing? obviously becomes a lot easier to make these decisions if you have testing that's readily acceptable which is still, according to most doctors i talk to, problem in this country. >> definitely. testing a corner -- testing is a cornerstone. we need to identify people quickly if they are infected. when you do contact tracing. we want the test to be seamless. not worrying about supplies or nasal swabs running out. we want to make sure it can be done as easily as getting an hiv test and that's where we need to get in parts of the country in order to do this in a safe and efficient manner. >> martha: how far off is that? i keep hearing that the blood prick test that tells you if you had it, they have been saying a few weeks away for a lot of weeks now. >> we tend to be a few weeks away for a lot of things for a lot of things in the pandemic.

we are scaling up and there are parts of the country where they don't have as much shortages of testing that might be where you see some of these restrictions lifting. it's key that we get there. we have the technology to do it. we get the logistics down and get our supply chain intact. i think we will get there. >> martha: i want to play a sound bite from the mayor of los angeles, eric garcetti, his outlook for reopening. listen to this. >> it's difficult to imagine of us getting together in the thousands anytime soon. we we should be prepared for that. i think we never wanted science to work so quickly. until there's a vaccine or pharmaceutical intervention or herd immunity, science is science and public health affairs the been very clear we have many, many miles to walk before we are going to be back in those environments. stephen do you think he is right? that it will be a full year before he can get together in the thousands, as he says,

places like stadiums or sporting events or concerts. >> mass gatherings are going to be very difficult because we know mass gatherings are are places where infectious diseases can thrive. they could easily tip a city into a crisis of too many people get infected at a mass gathering and they can cede other cities because people travel to a concert or sports game. i think it's likely the case that mass gatherings are probably going to be off the table until there is a vaccine. they may be too much of an opportunity for this virus and we don't have enough immunity. it's going to be a tough road ahead to get mass gatherings back on track. >> martha: yeah. that's not what a lot of people want to hear. everybody wants to get these events back up and running for the sanity of the country i think. doctor, thank you. always good to talk to you. thank you for the good work you've been doing with your patients and sharing it with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> martha: 10,000 cars.

this is a whole other side of the story in michigan. showed up at the state capital defying stay-at-home orders to send a message about their personal liberties and their livelihoods. we are going to speak to an organizer of that protest coming up next.

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send message to governor gretchen whitmer. many are outraged over her very strict policies and stay at home. they say it steps on their constitutional rights and puts them out of work. david from the national review wrote a piece and says "it's reasonable to assume that the vast majority of americans process news and data and calculate that self-quarantining, wearing masks, and social distancing makes sense for themselves, their families, and the country. people act out of self-preservation but they shouldn't be coerced to act. due to the authoritarian whims of the state yet that's exactly what's happening." the governor says that these individuals are putting other people at risk. joining me now is one of the organizers of the protest, operation good luck, roseanne is president of the michigan conservative coalition. rosanne, thank you for being with me tonight.

tell me what motivated this protest? why are we seeing this in michigan and the way we are not seeing it other places? >> last tuesday the legislature met with the governor to extend her executive order privileges and she wanted 70 more days and the legislature said no, we will give you until the end of the month. no sooner had they done that that she came out with these measures that clamped down even harder. the more we looked at it, the more frustrated we got and thought something has to be do done. in michigan, we had just come out of a really harsh winter and we are ready to get outside, work in our gardens, plantar flowers, paint our homes. we can't do any of that. there doesn't seem to be any reason -- >> martha: yeah, it seems like there's two sides. one is the right to get back to work and do your job and the other is just sort of the right to do basic things around your

house and buy the things you want to buy. doesn't seems like you can make -- it makes a lot of sense if you can walk into target new can buy some things but you're telling the owners of the stores are not allowed to sell the other things even though the person is walking on the island way. right? >> correct. it doesn't make any sense. that's the frustrating part. doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason, no consistency in the decisions she's making about what's she deems to be essential or nonessential. our argument is not about what you think is essential or nonessential. it's about letting michiganders go back to work. people that work outside, landscaping, lawn cutting and such, are by their own nature social distancing. why can't some be able to go back to work? it makes no sense to us. >> martha: i see landscapers around wearing masks. they are socially distant by

virtue of their work. parks, people going to the parks. there was a story about a man who was playing t-ball with his family and he was arrested. not in michigan, he was handcuffed and taken away from a park there was practically empty. some of these moves just feel they've gone beyond just trying to keep people safe. i think there's a fear on a lot of people's parts, tell me if you share this. some of these rules might find their way into not going away. >> [laughs] well, yeah. the more people just sit back and say okay, i guess we'll wait until the government tells us it's okay to do that. it's taking away our constitutional rights. we've got to be able to stand up and sam sorry. that doesn't make sense. i am healthy. my family is healthy. the problem in michigan, it's all going on in metro detroit, basically speaking. why should the whole rest of the state be penalized to be put out

of business when they can safely go back to work? >> martha: well, the governor says that those of you who go out and protest are putting other people at risk. but a lot of people are carrying this and they don't realize they are carrying it. that's what she's worried about. final thought on that, roseanne. >> i have to say everybody was part of our organization, and we had over 10,000 cars there. they stayed in their cars. there was another group of people that planned a demonstration on the lawn and they were out. we tried to tell them to get back in their cars. we wanted to obey the laws much as we could to keep people safe, and our people did that. they did a great job. >> martha: all right. i wouldn't be surprised if we see more of this. roseanne ponkowski, thank you very much. good to speak with you. >> thank you, martha. good evening. >> martha: good evening to

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♪ >> martha: president trump is not the first u.s. president to confront a global pandemic. woodrow wilson in 1918 face the spanish flu. like covid-19 it hit in the spring at over 600,000 people were killed during that horrific epidemic. dwight eisenhower encounter the

asian fluid 1957. it originated in singapore and killed more than 100,000 people in the united states. recently in 2009, president obama -- h1n1. that took the lives of 12,000 americans by the time that came to an end in april of 2010. joining me now, presidential historian and author of "american moon shot" which is available in paper book. it's a fantastic book. i recommended. douglas brickley joins us today. always good to see you. thank you for being here. a beautiful look at your book. nice to see you as well. when you look at history and how woodrow wilson and also george washington, he dealt with the yellow fever. it's almost as if the job description of the presidency at that point and the expectations of the american people when it came to things like this work very different. >> you know, first off, the whole point of american history is to always remind us our own times weren't uniquely

oppressive. he talked about george washington, in 1793, yellow fever had hit philadelphia. that was where our government ran, philadelphia. suddenly everybody was getting ill, burning with fever, vomiting, all sorts of horrific conditions. slowly george washington really didn't do much at first. dr. benjamin rush was a brilliant american patriot, taking care of sick people in philadelphia. eventually martha washington nudged george washington, we have to get out of philly. we have children. they set up the u.s. government in germantown pennsylvania and operated there. 10% of the city of philadelphia died. that's a large number back then. all the port was closed. nobody wanted to come to philadelphia. they think that the yellow fever came from east and west trade but no european ships wanted to port there.

washington had survived valley forge, frostbite, he didn't want to seem to seem to be abandoning his job but in the end he had to. >> martha: union you look at the handling of this crisis, president trump, you wrote something about the economic aspirations that he had to revive the country. equated to what fdr had to do. it is that herculean when you look at the current economic situation and unemployment in this country. >> that's right. you mention woodrow wilson. 1918. his big concern was world war i was going on. people shuttered cities. people were getting ill all over and wilson didn't publicly even address the spanish flu. because everybody wanted to keep the morale of the soldiers alive. in the end, 62% of american soldiers who died in world war i died of the so-called spanish flu. wilson himself contracted burning fever. he had the influenza while he

was in paris and almost died himself there. when you're getting towards our modern era, we start having antibiotics and better medical supplies. back in 1793, dr. rush would bleed people to help them with their fever. in 1918 we really had no clean sanitation of medical facilities and certainly no antibiotics which were developed later for use in the second world war. so i think each era just deals with these things differently. fdr had the great depression. the differences once we got bombed at pearl harbor, he called for full employment, meaning hyper mobilization of the country, that's what got us out of the great depression. president trump is having to deal with the exact opposite, that this close down is really damaging the economy. >> martha: yeah, it certainly is. douglas brickley, author of american moon shot and other amazing books.

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>> martha: that is "the story" up this wednesday, april 15th, 2020. as always, "the story" continues. we will see you tomorrow night, 7:00. tucker carlson coming up next. see you tomorrow, everybody. ♪ >> tucker: good evening, and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." quarantines continue across much of the country, and in some places, citizens are pushing back against them. new jersey governor phil murthy runs the state that is been hit harder than any other, other than new york. he has been enforcing a very strict lockdown. in a moment he will join us on the program to tell us what he is doing and why. plus, for weeks on the show we have told you that the coronavirus may have escaped from a lab in wuhan china. it sounds like science fiction, and it's been denounced as such by so many in the media, but it's not. tonight, sources in the u.s.