whoo-hoo! great tasting ensure with 9 grams of protein, 27 vitamins and minerals, and nutrients to support immune health. chris: i'm chris wallace, the coronavirus claims more than 30,000 lives and 22 million jobs here in the u.s. now president trump rolls out his road map to restart the economy. ♪ >> we are not opening all at once but one careful step at a time. chris: as protests spring up across the country over some states stay at home orders and some governors push back. >> is there any funding so i can do these things without passing the buck? >> states today have enough test to implement the criteria of

phase 1 if they choose to do so. chris: we will discuss the new federal guidelines with vice president mike pence and congress negotiates a deal to save them. we will ask house speaker nancy pelosi how close they are to a compromise. pence and pelosi only on fox news sunday. ♪ ♪ chris: we will ask our sunday panel if the presidential election will end up being a referendum on how mr. trump handles the crisis. talk chef josé andres on feeding families and first responders all right now on fox news sunday. ♪ ♪ chris: and hello again from fox news in washington. the fight over the pace,

president trump who layed out guidelines this week for restarting the company siding with some of the protestors and pushing back against governors' calls for help for more testing saying the responsibility lies with the state. in a moment we will speak with vice president mike pence head of the white house coronavirus task force but first let's bring in mark meredith with the latest on the debate over relaxing restrictions. mark: chris, americans that are fed up with stay at home orders urging governors to let businesses reopen but health officials warn that opening too soon can cause thousands of lives. >> we are just here for our freedom. >> usa! mark: americans are speaking out against staying home. >> it's absolutely ridiculous. people need get back to work. mark: in texas some chanted fire

fauci. governors try to calm constituents. >> i'm as frustrated as everybody. >> i'm frustrated too. i want this to be over as much as anybody. mark: president trump says some protests are legitimate. >> i just think that some of the governors have gotten carried away. mark: in jacksonville, florida hundreds of people spotted walking the beach hours officials eased regulations. in new york it's a different story. >> we are not at a point where we are going to be reopening anything immediately. mark: new york is reporting decrease in the number of new hospitalizations, but health experts warn until testing expands sharply state officials will struggle to determine when it's truly safe for people to return to work. meanwhile government program to help people on payroll is out of money. the president is calling on congress to refund the program immediately. democrats say they are willing to do it but they also want additional money for hospitals and states. negotiations, chris, they remain

ongoing this weekend. chris. chris: mark meredith reporting from the white house. mark, thanks. joining us live from his office in the west wing vice president mike pence. mr. vice president, welcome back to fox news sunday. >> good morning, chris. chris: i want to start with those growing protests across the country against the stay at home orders. some of the protestors ignoring social distancing. what do you think specifically of their protests and how they are carrying them out? >> well, first, let me say from the moment president trump asked me to lead the white house coronavirus task force two months ago, he made it clear that we had one objective and that was to save lives, and in the intervening 2 months the american people have stepped forward, have embraced the social distancing, have done the mitigation efforts and as we sit here this morning, we continue to see encouraging results,

declining cases, declining hospitalizations because of what the american people have done and because of the president's leadership and what governors have done around the country, we are slowing the spread, we are hastening the day when we can put the coronavirus in the past and reopen the american economy. beyond the focus on lives, the president also made it clear that we wanted to ensure that our hospital workers, incredible men and women, had the resources and equipment that they needed. we've sped hundreds millions of medical supplies to critical areas around the country and i must tell you the fact that no american who has needed a ventilator has been denied a ventilator is a great testament to national response at every level, and on the subject of testing we are continue to scale and expand testing and we will do that because as the president layed out the guidelines this week, no one wants to reopen america more than president donald trump and what you see, i

think, among millions of americans who have been embracing the social distancing measures and making the sacrifices is they want their governors to find a way to responsibly and safely reopen their state economies and what the president layed out last week is a framework, a phased framework to reopen america to do that and we will work very closely with governors to implement that as soon as we can responsibly do it around the country. chris: mr. vice president, in a number of these cases these protestors who are not social distancing are saying they don't want to wait. in many cases they are protesting your own guidelines to stop the spread. on friday the president tweeted this and i want to put it up. liberate minnesota, liberate michigan and liberate virginia and save your great second amendment, it is under siege. washington governor ainsley

responded, spreading lies even while his own administration says the virus is real and deadly. so what does is president mean because you've got guidelines that are calling for social distancing and staying at home. even your new guidelines to reopen the country are phased and gradual. what does the president mean when he says to liberate the states? >> the american people know that no one in america wants to reopen this country more than donald trump and on thursday on thursday the president directed us to lay out guidelines for when and how states could responsibly do that and in the president's tweets and public statements, i can assure you, he's going to continue to encourage governors to find ways to -- to safely and responsibly let america go back to work, and the guidelines for opening up america again give a road map

for doing just that, chris, for states that have 14 days of consecutive declining cases that have hospitalization capacity and we recommend that they begin under phase 1 to ease the social -- social distancing measures that have been put into effect, allow some people to begin to come back to work, allow some activities in the community to begin to happen, and when the president speaks about reopening america, it's all about encouraging governors as soon as they determine is most proper and most appropriate to be able to do that and do that quickly. america works when america is working and the president wants to see us put the coronavirus in the past by the strong measures the american people have embraced, but we want to get america working again just as soon as we can. chris: understood, mr. vice president. i want to talk to you about your plan to reopen the country because there are a number of health experts that say that we need triple the number of tests

that are now being conducted and much more contact tracing in order to safely reopen the government. can you tell us how soon that you're going to have 500,000 tests a day which is what they're calling for? we are doing 150,000 now. how soon are we going to have 500,000 tests a day or don't you think that's necessary? >> well, under the guidelines for opening up america again, we create in phase 1 a specific criteria for testing that we believe is appropriate to be able to test people that have symptoms for coronavirus and be able to monitor people that are particularly vulnerable to serious outcomes, nursing homes and particular populations in our cities that have shown some -- some vulnerability. that's -- we believe the testing that we have today, chris, across the country once we activate all of the labs that

can do coronavirus testing is sufficient for any state in america to move into phase 1. we are doing about 150,000 tests a day and you remember a month ago we had done 80,000 tests total. now we cleared 4 million overall, but at 150,000 tests a day, we think we can double that number by working with governors to activate all of the laboratories in their states around the country that can do coronavirus testing. that would put us at roughly 300,000 but what we are going to make clear to governors again tomorrow in our weekly conference call, and i want to make clear to the american people, is that president trump's direction, we are going to continue fully partner with governors around the country and health officials in increasing and scaling the amount of testing and we have every confidence that we can have a sufficient amount of testing to be able to reopen america, not just in phase 1, but continue in

the weeks and months ahead to -- to expand testing in ways that will give the american people the confidence and the tools to be able to go back to work. chris: mr. vice president, i got limited time with you so i'm going to try to squeeze a few more questions in. the 350 billion-dollar program to provide loans to small businesses has run out and you still don't have a deal on replenishing that with another $250 billion. how close are you to a deal with the democrats? >> the paycheck protection program that the president signed into law has been an incredible success and literally has made it possible for small businesses around america to keep people on the payroll over 2-month period of time while we weather the storm with the coronavirus. but as the president and i were literally on a phone with republicans and democrats last week, we learned that the fund

had run out and we are urging democrats in the house and the senate to step forward and approve an expansion of the paycheck protection bill. we are close, chris. chris: briefly, how close are you to it, sir? >> the negotiations are going on. we are very close but i think every american has seen the success of the president's program to provide payroll support and we are going to work to expand that so that no one working in a small business in america would have to worry about missing a paycheck during the trial and difficulty of the coronavirus epidemic. chris: several sources now say that the coronavirus originated in a lab in wuhan, and that the chinese government covered it up for -- for some period of time which allowed to virus to spread. now speaker pelosi says while the president imposed his travel ban in january, he minimized the

threat from the virus. here she is, sir. >> been calling it a hoax and instead of calling it minimizing and magically disappeared. we lost time. the delay and the denial caused death and that's just the way it is. chris: mr. vice president, on -- i'm getting this question a lot and i have to ask you for a brief answer, what specifically is this administration going to do to hold china accountable? >> well, i appreciate your referencing the fact that -- that by the end of january of this year president trump took the unprecedented step of us pending all travel from china. no american president had ever done that and there's no question all of our health experts agree that that bought us invaluable amount of time, enabled us to save lives and make sure healthcare workers have the resources that they

need to meet this moment, but it is clear to us that not only was there a failure by the world health organization to communicate to america and the world what was happening in china, but also that china was not as forthcoming as they should have been with america or the world about what was happening. chris: so are we going to do something, sir? >> the president made it clear we are not happy. we are going to make proper inquiries into this at the proper time, but i have to tell you, the one mission that this president has given the white house coronavirus task force is to save lives, to put this coronavirus in the past. we will stay focused on the mission. it's one mission and one team. we will work with governors across the country in both political parties and i just want the american people to be encouraged by the fact that we are making progress. we really do see downward trends

in cases and in hospitalizations and we really believe that because of what the american people have done, because of our incredible healthcare workers that we are together as a nation hastening the day when we will put the coronavirus in the past and -- and get america working again. chris: vice president pence, thank you, thanks for your time during a very busy period. please come back, sir. >> thank you, chris. chris: as we said, the relief program meant to support small business has run dry and leaders in congress and the white house can't agree on how to replenish it. we will ask house speaker nancy pelosi what it will take to break the stalemate and provide more funds. that's next. is what we're made for.

chris: talks continue this weekend as congressional democrats and the white house try to strike a deal to provide more money for a program meant to help small businesses shut down by the coronavirus. earlier i talked with the speaker of the house nancy pelosi about that and more. speaker pelosi, good to talk to you again. the 350 billion-dollar fund to provide loans to small businesses has run out. president trump says you and other democrats are blocking a deal to provide another 250 billion. here he is on that. >> nancy pelosi, she's away on vacation or something, and she should come back, she should come back and get this done. i don't know why she's not coming back. the fact is that she's not doing her job.

chris: the president says he now supports your call for more money for hospitals, but you're also calling for more money for first responders, for food assistance, for states and local governments. how long are you prepared to hold out, speaker? >> well, i'm on good path. first of all, i supported the support act, and support the ppp, the paycheck protection program in there, and so as they have committed the money that's there, we want to add more money there. it is very urgent, though, that we support our police and fire, our healthcare workers, our nurses, our teachers, and that's what the state and local government is about, is meeting the needs of the coronavirus and everything that we are doing is about the coronavirus.

understand that. and also make sure that everyone has access to the program. i'm very pleased of the progress that is being made. we've worked in a very bipartisan way all along. we continue to do so. we all pay tribute to small businesses which are the optimism, entrepreneurial spirit of america and we don't want there to be any doubt that -- participating in the program that they will be funded and if they meet the standards of the program that -- that the loans will be forgiven. chris: so is there going to be a deal and if so how soon? you know there are a lot of small businesses that are running out of money and are hanging on by their fingernails? >> yes, and we want all of them to get what they're entitled to under the law and even more than we are -- some of the small businesses have other request in terms of additional loan

program, in addition to the grant program and that's part of our request as well. the money has not all been distributed although it has all been committed and that's -- that means there's no more money. they will have more money as soon as we come to agreement which will be soon and i think people will be very pleased because small businesses must thrive in a community where health is essential to them opening up and they have to open up in order to thrive. it's one thing to save the day, it's another thing to have customers at the end of the day. chris: the president announced a plan this week to reopen the country and you immediately criticized it. i want to put up what you said. the white house is vague and inconsistent document does nothing to make up for the president's failure to listen to the scientists and produce and distribute national rapid testing. but dr. anthony fauci endorsed the plan, take a look.

>> if these things are done correctly, i believe they can, we will have and there will be enough tests to allow us to take this country safely to phase 1. chris: don't you believe dr. fauci? >> yeah, he said if this were to go done properly. well, it hasn't been done. on march first, we passed the first bill bipartisan, testing, testing. it's over 6 weeks since then and it hasn't been done, so he's saying if it is done properly. we are all waiting very late on that. he's right, it has to be testing, tracing, contact tracing, it has to be treatment and has to be quarantine. it's part of something bigger as well to be done properly, but we are way late on it and that is the failure. the president gets on f, failure on the testing, but dr. fauci is right, if it is done properly. it hasn't been and that i think he puts it in if it's done in the mission that hasn't been

done. chris: you as you are right now have been very critical of president trump especially for what you say is the time that he lost initially in january and february in responding to the virus, but i want to point out that on february 24th you went on a walking tour of chinatown to try to promote tourism there and here is some of what you had to say. >> that's what we tried to say, everything is fine here, precautions have been taken. we think it's very safe to be in chinatown. i hope that others will come. chris: if the president underplayed the threat in the early days, speaker pelosi, didn't you as well? >> no. we were trying to do is to end the discrimination, the stigma that was going out against the asian-american community and, in fact, if you look, the record will show that our chinatown has been a model of containing and

preventing the virus, so i'm confident in our folks there and thought it was necessary to offset some of the things that the president and others were saying about asian americans and making them a target, a target of violence across the country. chris: but don't you think -- don't you think that when you're out walking without any masks, i understand this is february, not april when this happened, and saying that there's no threat, it's perfectly safe there, weren't you also adding to this perception that there wasn't such a threat generally? >> no, i was saying that you should not discriminate against chinese americans as some in our administration were doing, by the way they were labeling the flu. no, again, if you check the record and is current, you will see that chinatown has been a model in all of this, and that's

what we are saying. look to them for answers, don't look to them to place blame. chris: as you know, protests against the stay at home orders are growing across the country, people are taking to the streets, pushing back against some of the more stringent restrictions in some states. can you understand why they are doing that? >> no, not really because what we have to do is -- is shelter in place. that is really the answer, testing, tracing, treatment, shelter in place, and i do think that it's unfortunate. but, you know, people will do what they do. but the fact we are all inpatient and all want out but what they are doing is really unfortunate because what is great, though, is the american

people. the american people know that the good health of themselves and their families and their loved ones is what is important and that's why you have seen such an overwhelming commitment to shelter in place and distancing -- people distancing because really it is the key to how we will up our economy. the health issue is the key to opening up the economy. unfortunately what you see there is, you know, whatever people think that they should say, but the fact is this has to be science based, evidence based, databased and evidence and the science and the data say shelter in place, testing, contact tracing, treatment, quarantine is the answer to opening up our economy sooner. chris: just this week -- >> i think by the way, by the way if i may add, i do think

focusing on that is a major distraction from testing, testing, testing. does it serve as a distraction, yes, but that's not what this is about. we are supposed to be focusing on getting over this so that we can open up our economy. the sooner the better. and i'm proud of the american people bus by in -- because by in large they have embraced that. chris: a couple of questions i want to get in. just this week you called president trump a weak person, a poor leader, now i understand that he goes after you, so this is fully a two-way street, but do you think those kinds of partisan attacks by in this case you are constructive in the middle of a natural crisis? >> well, i tell you why i came to that. i was very prayerful on easter. one of the first days i didn't have to be working every minute and i could reflect and be

prayerful and what i decided was that the president made many mistakes. let's have an after-action review of that but he continued to put forth proposals that were not science based, continuing saying it's a hoax, it's magically going to go away. put that aside, to proceed with policies which were not science based, which are not evidence based and to blame others, blame anybody, blame governors, blame me, world health organization, leaders -- leaders take responsibility. he places the blame on others. that might have been okay for before but we cannot continue down a path that is, again, science, science, science, evidence, data on how we could go forward. chris: finally and i have a minute left, speaker pelosi. when the crisis started you opposed the idea congress voting

remotely, something that has never been done before but in the last week you said that you could support remote voting under certain circumstances. what would you accept in that regard and why the change of mind? >> well, it wasn't change of mind. the chairs of jurisdiction, mcgovern and chair for options to give members, what are the options to give members, constitutionally, security wise and technologically. they came back this week with saying proxy voting is probably something that passes muster on those scores in terms just for this purpose, not for life in general, but for this purpose, and so that is -- i'm taking their recommendation. it wasn't a change. my attitude was always if it's possible let's see what the options are. this is what they have come back and said is possible, and we

will see -- it has to be bipartisan. we will see how our colleagues on the other side of the aisle, i think there's openness to it. you have to ask them but we would want to do it in a congress house wide not just determination of the democrats that that's the way we want to go forward. we want to do it in a bipartisan way as we have done all of this. 3 bills in march, all partisan, bipartisan, not partisan at all and as interim package will be bipartisan and we want to keep the faith on both sides with the public that this is how we have to compromise. we want to make improvements but we have to compromise to get the job done, and i might say, i've worked with the republicans to pass the keep government open in december to pass u.s.-méxico-canada trade agreement. we -- we don't get credit where we do work together and i do want to point that out.

chris: speaker pelosi, credit where credit is due, criticism where criticism is due. thank you so much for coming and talking with us. please stay safe and come back and talk with us. >> thank you and credit for the american people for patriotism and their concern for their families. thank you. chris: up next we will bring in our sunday group to discuss how and when to reopen the country. beware of telephone scammers pretending to be government employees. real social security employees will never threaten you. callers threatening you with arrest or other legal action and demanding money, are not from us!

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director of the serve america pack marie harf and the bret baier. what do you think of the president's plans to reopen the economy and what about the concern that we don't have enough testing and contact traysing -- tracing to do it. karl: it's in the really a framing but road map. it recognizes the primacy of governors and mayors making decisions, relies clearly upon health experts on being drafted. contrary to what speaker pelosi said, this has clearly got the fingerprints of dr. fauci, dr. birx, i'm glad that's the case and depends ultimately on 3 things, lots of testing which unlike nancy pelosi seems to think you can just click your fingers and there's going to be plenty of test. it's difficult having been in

the white house when we were at sars and mers, excuse me, in h5n1, the testing that has to be done for this is difficult to organize, difficult to create, difficult to validate but it's being done. it also requires that we continue our social distancing practices and it's going to require a lot of prudent, common sense steps by businesses as they begin to bring back employees and customers. i think it's a good excellent road map. it's going to take some time. we will have to be -- we will have to be willing to accept that even if the state meets all of the thresholds for all 3 phases, we are talking about six weeks before we can get areas of the country back to anything that looks sort of normal. chris: marie, a number of democratic officials are saying that the president is moving too fast, but to pick up on karl's point, isn't that a hard case to make when this plan has been endorsed by dr. fauci, the kind

of unchallenged expert on all of this, and especially when you see growing frustration with the stay at home orders and the economic consequences of that? marie: there are a number of independent medical experts who have been very clear publicly that we do not have enough testing yet and that until we do, pushing to reopen too early will just result in more outbreaks in places we thought we had it contained. when you see some of the protests that you talk today your previous guests about in places like michigan and places like ohio, they are not social distancing. they are promoting reopening the economy while ignoring all of these national guidelines, and so each of the governors have huge responsibilities right now to -- to message to their citizens in a way that convinces them that these are in place for their own good to help protect them and their families, but the bottom line, chris, is that there are few entities in this

country that can actually get the number of tests we need that can bring together industry, that can use the defense production act to get the tests we need which right now have plateaued and that's the federal government, so that's one place we actually do need a little more action, is getting more testing and getting industry around doing that. chris: president trump got into fights governors this week over everything from who has responsibility for more testing to the question of who has responsibility for ending the lockdowns, and some some of the governors fought back, take a look. >> if we came into this room today and said the battle is over, we have won, it's 100% gone, the democrats would say that the president has done a horrible job. >> he's sitting home watching tv, maybe he should get up and go to work, right? chris: bret, the president often

ended up in a less controversial place like when he eventually said it's up to governors to open up their own state at the pace they choose but he sometimes took a route to get there? bret: chris, i covered and wrote about president eisenhower, he used to say words matter, the 45th president takes a different communication style, he thinks more is more by evidenced in briefings and his supporters will say words matter last week. i said last week if president obama had said he had total authorities when to hope, conservatives' heads would exploded. 2 days later the governors would make the call. if obama had made the call, conservative heads would have exploded too. the bottom line is the actions and it's dr. birx, dr. fauci, redfield in the podium not

flicking the switch but nuance rollout of guidelines for states, so it's the actions not the words who supporters will tell you but clearly the communication style frustrates a lot of people and maybe independents. chris: karl, let me pick up on that because there's no question when the president says he has the authority, total authority to decide to open up states or when he talks about liberating minnesota, it creates a controversy, but in the end to bret's point, does that really matter or is the -- is the real importance here going to be where we end up both in public health sense and economic sense? karl: i think that's right, it's going to be what's the result of this. do we think at the end of this that the american people think, we came to this thing as well it can be expected. nobody has a sense that everything is perfect. nobody has a sense, oh, we don't have enough testing and we can solve the problem tomorrow by invoking the defense production act. there's no need to do that

because every business, every pharmaceutical company, every testing company that wants to be involved and can be involved is involved in this, but you're right, at the end of the day it's going to be what are the end results of this. look, it's governed by the is -- stafford act and clearly every one of those acts to some degree looks for a balance in federal system when the president and the federal government and states and local governments, and some more authorities for states and some more for federal government and they have to deal with that. chris: all right, panel, we have to take a break here but when we come back, president trump and joe biden trade shots in the midst of the coronavirus over who has been too soft on china at philadelphia, we know what makes the perfect schmear of cream cheese. you need only the freshest milk and cream. that one!

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chris: political ads for both joe biden and president trump now focusing on the others record on china in the midst of a global pandemic. the website attacking the former vice president called beijing biden and we are back now with the panel, bret, obviously things can change dramatically between now and november, but are the health crisis and the economic crisis such an overwhelming event, overwhelming substantive event an political event that this is likely november to be a political

referendum on how president trump has handled it? bret: 100%. i think it's the election and i will quote a very well-known anchor who said just that a week and a half ago, chris wallace. i think it comes down to how we get out of it and how the president handles this. you know, you put on the intro there the china part. i think that's going to be a big part of this election, how china is used not only and you can see this by the biden campaign putting out foreign policy adviser tony blinken pointing to president trump's comments about china being positive, but there about 80% according to internal polls cited by "the new york times" of the public that believe china really covered at the beginning. u.s. officials are convinced that's the case. it's not conclusive that it came from this lab accidentally or otherwise yet, but they are convinced that china really covered up at the beginning and

that's going to be a big focus of this. the fascinating part, chris, the question to nancy pelosi about her walk in chinatown on february 24th. february 19th there was a democratic debate in las vegas. 3 words weren't said, virus, coronavirus or covid-19. never came up. chris: well, to throw a bouquet back at you, china becoming a bigger issue after your reporting this week about some sources told you the biggest political cover-up in history by china about its role in the virus. karl, let me switch subjects to you. joe biden, there's asymmetric warfare because joe biden is stuck in basement studio in his home in delaware. if you were advising him, how would you tell him to try to strike a higher profile or will you say that's a mistake at this point? look, everybody is focused on the virus, just let the stage to

the president. karl: well, you to recognize there are limitations because you're right the president dominates this. this is a time no matter what he does, biden is not going to have the profile of the president. i'd say 3 things. first of all, don't pick a fight over china. if the question of this election is who is tougher on china, donald trump is the answer and not joe biden. second of all, i would not follow the practice of nancy pelosi which joe biden is unfortunately following and that is just a pick at the administration to say defense, you're not using the defense production act. look, he's quickly and she's quickly what bill called negativism and to me one of the things that would be important is for joe biden, if he wants to contrast with the president to action of governors cuomo, newsom and thirdly, the third piece is i would be focused on what it is that would be necessary to convince people in

the fall that joe biden ought to replace donald trump and that's not the moment to have immediate controversy. it's sharing a broader and bigger vision as a traditional democrat and he ain't doing that'd. he's continuing to go -- march hard to the left. if he keeps doing that by the time we get to august and september, the small group of swing voters are going to be forced with the issue, do i want to keep donald trump in office after i voted democrat for congress in 2018 or do i want to go with a guy who seems to seem to be like bernie sanders only not so much bernie sanders. i mean, that's not a particular good choice for those independents to make if you're joe biden. chris: all right, i've heard from the republican strategist about what joe biden should do, let's hear now from the democratic strategist about what joe biden should do. he's obviously doesn't have the platform the president has, how critical should he be and how much should he try to struggle for stage and attention, he's just not going to get at this point. marie: president trump's

platform is a little bit of a double-edge sword, though, because he does have the power of the bully pulpit in white house briefing room but some of the things he said are literally writing their own attack ads. when president trump stood up and said i took no responsibility. donald trump talks a lot as bret mentioned earlier and those are writing their own ads for democrats right now. joe biden whole theory of the case has been a return to normalcy and competence. that was before the crisis, that was his theory why he should be the nominee and why he can beat donald trump, that's even more of the case now that he's running as someone who can bring normalcy back to this country and competence back and overwhelmingly polling shows that's what people want. people want in this election and, you know, he will continue doing cable, chris, he will continue doing virtual fundraisers but the fundamental question come november is where joe biden thinks he can bring

democrats, independents and some republicans along with him. chris: bret, to marie's point, the white house briefing room can be a double-edge sword. as we have seen some cases the president in charge. i think it's fair to say that the rollout of the phases and the gating that was -- the gradual reopening of the country was well received on thursday but some of the things the president has said over the last couple of weeks have gotten him in trouble and you have seen a bit of a dip in public approval for the president even with these long national briefings. bret: well, that's true, and there are all kinds of different, you know, questions that of all different flavors that come up and sometimes the president is out there longer than his supporters and aides would like him to be but he's running the show and just how we get out of it -- most importantly how the economy

recovers, 22 million americans filing for unemployment, small businesses one in four are teetering on closing or closing. this is massive. it's a nuclear bomb in the u.s. economy. there's the health side but the economic side is as important of how we crawl out of this. chris: and when you talk about people wanting those briefings to be shorter as the anchor of special report which is usually at 6:00 p.m. eastern when the briefings are happening, i suspect sometimes you're looking at your watch. >> we are ready either way. we are ready either way. the other day i had 22 minutes. that was great. [laughter] chris: that's a very good answer but i should say because i know your staff is working hard to do an entire hour show and they don't know always get to put it on the air, you should put it somewhere so we can all see it. thank you, panel. see you next sunday. up next our power player to have week. top chef josé andres on another rescue mission. this times it's not a hurricane, but the coronavirus.

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of the week. ♪ >> this is why the crisis is different. you don't see it but it's happening. as millions of americans are losing their jobs, people are hungry and somebody has to feed them. chris: top chef josé andres comparing the coronavirus disaster such as hurricanes an tsunamis. >> take a look at the line of people we have here. this line end the horizon. chris: right now his world central kitchen is serving one hot meal at a time to americans hit by the virus. they're in more than 40 u.s. cities cooking more than 200,000 meals a day. in new york city getting food to healthcare workers and first responders distributing meals in california to families with students who aren't getting school lunches. >> they should be proud. chris: and in dc, taking over national's park to cook for the

elderly. >> sometimes we deliver home by home. we have a lot of elderly that live alone and nobody is taking care of them and give them protective gear that when they deliver they never get in touch with the elderly so they can be fed and we are protecting them at the same time. >> another day, another mask. chris: andrés founded world central kitchen in 2010 after an earthquake devastated haiti. >> 1 million meals cooked by the men and women of puerto rico. chris: after hurricane maria slammed puerto rico, he went there and served almost 4 million meals. we last spoke to andrés in florida panhandle cooking for thousands after hurricane michael. why are chefs good at stepping into these chaotic situations? >> when an emergency happens and you need to take care of the sick, you send doctors and nurses. when you need to rebuild, you

send architects. when you need to feed people, should be chefs like me be part of the solution and part of the action, that's why we are good. chris: when restaurants shut down andrés gets them back in the game hiring chefs to cook and sharing resources with hundreds of others to help their communities. >> if we come together everything is possible. we are -- we have the mind on the private sector with a good heart of the ngo's, empathy and the private sector together. it's a very powerful equation. chris: andrés says his mission is to weponized empathy. >> we are sending the message that we care, that america loves you and hopefully tomorrow things will be better. that's the message that we send with each plate of food. chris: over the last decade andrés and world central kitchen have served more than 16 million meals to people hit by crises

and natural disasters around the world. and that's it for today, have a great week and we will see you next fox news sunday. ♪ ♪ arthel: fox news alert, new evidence that the coronavirus infection rate is slowing a bit in hard-hit parts of the country, still the harsh reality is there, more than 742,000 current confirmed cases in the united states, 40,000 americans have died from the virus so far, but there are some encouraging signs with the number of new deaths falling every day for the past 3 days. welcome to brand-new hour of america's news headquarters, i'm arthel neville. eric: thank you for joining us this afternoon, i'm eric sean. the trump administration and congressional leaders say they are close to a deal on more relief funding for small