stay safe protect the community and arrest the rioters. it really is a thin blue line that keeps us safe and hopefully cooler heads prevail thank you for joining us all morning long we'll be back up at 5 a.m. tomorrow on fox & friends. neil: all right, the nation is on high alert for something good and worried about something bad. on the left side of your screen you're looking at cape canaveral , a live shot right now of the falcon x dragon capsule that's going to make a second go of it today and on the right, riots that ensued last night for the fourth straight night in minneapolis, actually in 30 cities across the country. we are on top of both and what could come next, welcome everybody, i'm neil cavuto and this is kanye west pseudo live very happy to have you. we'll be hearing very shortly from new york city's police commissioner, and this at a time when the city is bracing for protest as well. they had some doosies last night

expectations of more to come and that will play out similarly across the country here, even though officials in all of these cities and states urged caution, so far, protesters not heeding that advice. now in a lot of cases they were people demonstrations but in many cases they were anything but. we're going to be hearing very shortly from the minnesota governor what he is looking forward to today, with the help of the national guard, maybe the u.s. military as well. ahead of all that, matt finn with the very latest. reporter: neil, we are in the fifth police precinct that was heavily targeted last night as you could see this is the u.s. post office building that was destroyed the windows smashed out and then set on fire it's still smoldering. right now, one of many, many buildings and structures across this city that have been burned overnight we saw an o'riley auto parts burned to the ground, an autozone burned to the ground we also saw other fire, cars, and dumpsters being set on fire.

looters targeting atm's also smashing into stores and filling their hands with loot and running back out through the ch ards of broken glass, basically lawlessness and a free for all in minneapolis. the governor says people shot at law enforcement called this a fluid situation. business owners, residents wak ing up to a tally of the destruction we've talked to homeowners who say they've stepped outside their front door and started sweeping up all the chards of glass and to the left is the fifth precinct building and there's fencing all around even double fencing in most areas of the property to try to keep some of those rioter s out last night, and it looks like that was basically successful because that building is still standing and was not burned unlike the third precinct building here in minneapolis that was entered by rioters and burned, so overall,

thick, black smoke clouding this as days and days of smoke now you can notice cape it because there are just so many smoldering fires around the city , neil. neil: all right, thank you, my friend very very much. governor of minnesota will be speaking to reporters very very shortly, when he starts we will go right to him in the meantime we have howard safer with us a former new york city police commissioner. howard, you're no stranger to these type of protests and they are widespread. how do you think it goes tonight a lot of people have been hoping that maybe things would ease with the arrest of the officer, but involves anything but. >> i doubt that very much, neil the people who are protesting in minneapolis around the country certainly have a right to peaceful protest, but what's happening here is a lot of people who are not interested in protest but interested in destruction and stealing are causing these problems and the police have to deal with them. you can not give up your city

because you're afraid of political correctness. it's a situation now where you protect the peaceful protesters and you deal with the criminals. and then also, what's happening here, unfortunately, these criminals are hurting their own population in those neighborhoods. the mayor of atlanta was absolutely right when she said this morning, this is not the legacy of dr. king. what we need to do is hold the police officer accountable which is being done, and then as you know, i'm a big supporter of anything police, but in this case, we have a situation where a criminal in a police uniform committed a murder. neil: you know, what's interesting too is the atlanta mayor had said to the protesters , you're disgracing the city, those that went beyond just a peaceful protest, destroy ing stores and what have you. i did notice, i don't know how you feel about this howard in the very very beginning, it seemed that particularly in the

minneapolis area, authorities had not a hands off but a hands distant policy going on maybe to let protesters work this out or work through it. that never ends well and history shows it never ends well so what do you think? >> critical mistake. giving up that police pre significant was a signal to the criminals in those crowds that they could do whatever they wanted and that's why you saw so many buildings being burned. the unfortunate legacy of this is the people in that community will not have a target to go to, will not have a grocery store to go to, will not have a restaurant to go to and this is going to be a long lasting problem. i hope that this evening, people take into account the fact that they are only hurting their own neighborhoods and they should protest all they want. neil: commissioner thank you very very much. i'm interrupting this but for good reason the minnesota governor is now speaking to the press. >> to the folks in minnesota in conjunction with mayor frye of

minneapolis and mayor carter of st. paul is protection of property is our top priority, and maintaining and restoring civil order on the streets. i think what's really important to recognize is the tactics and the approach that we have taken have evolved and need to evolve the same way. with a sensitivity to the legitimate rage and anger that came after what the world witnessed in the murder of george floyd and was manifested in a very healthy gathering of community to memorialize that on tuesday night was still present to a certain degree on wednesday by thursday, it was nearly gone, and last night, is a mockery of pretending this is about george

floyd's death, or inequities or historical traumas to our communities of color because our communities of color and our indigenous communities were out front fighting hand in hand to save businesses that took generations to build. infrastructure and non-profits that have served a struggling community were torn down and burned by people with no regard for what went into that. so let's be very clear. the situation in minneapolis is no longer in any way about the murder of george floyd. it is about attacking civil society, instilling fear and disrupting our great cities. with that being the case, as we indicated last night, our tactics again is to try and reduce loss of life, to do what we can to restore order. we mobilized the largest

mobilization of national guard that were in the field last night of over 700. we pulled in state patrol and state assets to augment minneapolis st. paul's force and as i told people who are listen ing, this is not an infinite number of people that we can pull. the minnesota state patrol is a highly-trained highly-organized force that when every single one of them is up and operating, is at about 700. you can't operate all the time on that. the same thing with the minnesota national guard and of course the cities. so as you saw this employee panda cross the united states, and you start to see whether it be domestic terrorism, ideological extremist to fan the group or whether it be international destabilization of how our country works, those elements are present in all of this. i spoke early this morning with the secretary of defense,esper, and with the chairman of the joint chief of staff milley

extensively to update on the situation, receive their situation report, as they're seeing it across the country and to suggest courses of action of going forward. in consultation with the mayors and the resources they have and just to be very clear as you witness this , whether it be new york, or denver, or louisville , or las vegas, there is no mayor in america that has the resources to push back on an organized attempt to destabilize civil society with no regard for life or property. so in consultation as a group and as we set this morning, i'm authorizing and talking to general jensen to fully mobilize the minnesota national guardian action never taken in the 164- year history of the minnesota national guard. we will pull in assets as we have been doing and for those who are wondering, where are the fire trucks, where are the police that are out there? the situation has so broad and the tactics were so bent on

causing destruction that every single person we had mobilized, again, the largest in state history last evening, was engaged in that. by this afternoon our hope is is to exponentially have that force out there, to use all other resources in the state and our partnerships of sister cities across there, and counties, to help us, and i have made initial calls and will be speaking with the governors of adjacent states who will provide significant support through their national guards. the message is clear, minnesota. we had a tragedy on monday night we understand the work that we need to do and the generational pain that went into what happened with george floyd and that murder, but at this point in time, nothing we do to address those inequities, nothing we do to provide justice to george floyd and his family that i spoke with last evening, none of those things matter to any of these people who are out

there firing upon national guard , burning businesses of our communities, and making intent on disrupting any semblance of civil life, so in partnership with the mayors, and the team that is here throughout the day today, there will be peaceful protests that were previously scheduled. they will be large as anticipat ed and today, will be an expression of that grief of the loss of george floyd. there will be legitimate exercising of first amendment rights. every single person in this room will put all of these resources we're talking about to protect their right to do that, to protect their right to gather as community. i will continue to stress because it seems a lifetime ago. we are still in the middle of a pandemic and passed 1,000 deaths

yesterday. we still have hospitals on the verge of being overrun with covid-19. the folks that are gathering out there and if you watch on tuesday, and wednesday, social distancing masks, the masks last night were worn to disguise. they were not worn to try and do anything. the masks worn by people there were to cause confusion and take advantage of the situation, but the rest of us need to maintain that. for minnesotans who are wondering and asking the legitimate question the safety and concern ever in this room is up all night. the nightmare of these people starting fires, that can jump in arson, at this point in time it is nothing short of a blessing that we have not had someone killed in an innocent bystander in this. that situation can be expected to deteriorate further with these people. as you're going to hear from commissioner herrington, they are adapting, they are receiving information together, they are being fed by professionals in this , and professional tactics

in urban warfare those types of things are happening with these people and again as i said they are getting what they want. they are getting on tv. they are seeing images. they have the governor of min money standing up here at 2:30 at night talking about how we're moving things around and they are getting what they wish but today they are going to get what they wish and have an overwhelming force of safety, security, and peace, that the citizens of minnesota and our surrounding neighbors are going to provide to that. they are going to see a coordination to the best of our ability to make sure that this stops and it ends. that is going to happen and i'm speaking with governors across the country who are in the same situation trading information, many cities are aware. we were on wednesday night, and they're expecting to be where we were on thursday night, and that is a situation that must end. so minnesotans, this is a challenging time. our great cities of minneapolis and st. paul are under assault by people who do not share our values, who do not value life in

the work that went into this , and certainly are not here to honor george floyd, and they need to see today that that line will stop and that the order needs to be restored. with that i want to welcome up mayor jacob frye, the minneapolis mayor, and someone who from the very beginning saw this before any mayor in the country, and requested national guard support earlier than any mayor in the country, and now the situation is requesting the next step of full mobilization. mayor frye? >> thank you, governor. the show of force tonight has got to be about safety, security , peace, and order. our minneapolis residents are scared and rightfully so. we've seen long term

institutional businesses over written. we've seen community institutions set on fire and i want to be very very clear. the people that are doing this are not minneapolis residents. they are coming in largely from outside of the city from outside of the region to prey on everything that we have built over the last several decades. the dynamic has changed over the last several days. if you looked at tuesday, it was largely peaceful protests, the vast majority peaceful, the vast majority of people from our city with a small group of people looking to have intentional disturbance. gradually that shift was made and we saw more and more people coming from outside of the city. we saw more and more people looking to cause violence in our communities and i have to say, it is not acceptable.

if you're concerned, i get it. if you have family members or friends that are even considering protesting, this is no longer about protesting. this is no longer about verbal expression. this is about violence and we need to make sure that it stops. we're in the middle of a pandemic right now. we have two crisis that are sandwiched on top of one another in order to make sure that we continue to have the necessary community institutions we need to make sure that our businesses are protected, that they are safe and that they are secure. so to our minneapolis residents, we are with you. we will be mobilizing the largest force that has ever come forward in the state of minnesota history to help.

we understand that you're concerned. we want to be there for you. thank you. >> thank you, mayor. mayor carter? >> thank you, mayor frey. >> thank you. >> well we're experiencing right now is one of the most heartbreaking weeks in american history, certainly in minnesotan history. we woke up at the beginning of this week to as we all know, to a disgusting disturbing video of mr. george floyd being wrongful ly killed. he was unarmed. he was not aggressive. he begged for his life. he called for his mom, and bystanders screamed. this man is dying.

and over the course of a 10 minute video, we see the life squeezed out of mr. floyd. anger over his death is understandable. sadness, pain, heartache, frustration, we have in our community right now an enormous number of people of all ages, of all races of all backgrounds who agree that mr. floyd should still be alive. we have a number of people of all races of all backgrounds of all neighborhoods who are looking to see not only one but four, all four of the officers involved in his death be fully held accountable. we have an enormous number of

people in our community who are heartbroken by the fact that the name george floyd does not stand alone in history, but that it joins too long and too rapidly growing list of names of unarmed, unaggressive, african american men, who have lost their lives wrongfully at the hands of law enforcement and the frustration that time and time again, we've seen no one held accountable. we have an enormous amount of legitimate frustration, of people who ask when, how long will it take. people who ask how egregious does it have to be. people who ask how well document ed does it have to be for someone to be held accountable for george floyd's

murder. that frustration, that pain is real and it's legitimate. and to all of the people in our community, who believe what i just said, who wholeheartedly need the world to hear that mr. floyd should be alive that someone should be held accountable and that we as a community, we as a culture, we as a society must do everything we can imagine to keep this from happening again. we stand with you. i stand with you. there are many many ways for us to work together in a constructive manner that builds our communities, that empowers our communities, to speak up with a loud voice. the world is listening there are opportunities for us to do that in a constructive manner. unfortunately, there are also those among us who would seek to use this moment, who would seek

to use his death as an excuse, as a cover to agitate for the destruction of those same communities that have been most traumatized by george floyd's death. those same communities that have been most traumatized by the dual crisis of a covid-19 pandemic and an economic crisis that we're facing right now, those same communities are being retraumatized right now. as our black-owned barber shops es, as our immigrant-owned restaurants as our local generational family-owned businesses are damaged and destroyed, night after night. this must stop. i know the governor, i know

mayor frey myself wholeheartedly supports the right of people to protest, the right of free speech for people to say what they believe about the world, to speak up and say and participate in making this world a better place. that right to speak stops at destruction of lives, destruction of property, destruction of livelihood. in st. paul last night, and across our twin cities a curfew went into effect. because we had a relative still ness in st. paul, we didn't make an enormous number of arrests, but every single person we arrested last night, i'm told , was from out of state. what we are seeing right now is

a group of people who are not from here. as i talked to my friends who have been in this movement for a very long time, who this movement every day and i ask them what they're seeing and feeling and hearing to a person, i hear them say, we don't know these folks. we don't know these folks who are agitating and inciting violence, we don't know these folks who were first into break a window and those folks who are agitating and inciting are taking advantage of the pain of the hurt of the frustration of the anger of the very real and legitimate sadness that so many of our community members feel. to advocate for the destruction of our communities, i echo the governor's statement and the

mayor's statement in that our police officers, our firefighters, are facing something they've never faced before and that alone will be very very difficult to address. one thing that i've learned about the world, about minnesota and certainly about st. paul is every time ugliness raises its head in our community, the beauty of community, that beautiful spirit that paul well stone once spoke about when he said we all do better, we all do better, arises, across the twin cities, yesterday, across st. paul yesterday, and we saw countless neighbors show up for each other. we saw people show up with a broom and a bucket, a rag to clean and just work together. they weren't cleaning their cousin's store or their uncle's store. they were just coming to help each other, to clean-up our city

over the last couple of months, thanks to the fact that we in minnesota have a governor who took strong action early to protect minnesotans in this pandemic crisis we showed togetherness by staying home. we showed togetherness by honoring the stay-at-home orders that our governor has executed, and those efforts resulted in saving lives in our community. right now, today, this week, in minnesota, we must show that same sense of togetherness. we must show that same sense of unity. we must show that same sense of community and cohesion as we stand forward to say we will not accept the brutal killing of unarmed black men.

we will not accept george floyd 's death and we will not accept the destruction of our communities either. those two things, those two values, those two goals are not in competition. they are not in conflict with one another, actually they are one in the same. thank you very much. >> thank you, mayor carter. commissioner herrington? neil: all right we continue to monitor this in minnesota press conference you've been just listening to melvin carter the st. paul minnesota mayor. he came right after jake on frye , the minneapolis mayor and of course the governor, tim walz all promising that the demonstrations that have morphed into something a lot more than the killing of an african american is something that's going to stop. now what we don't know is the degree to which they are going to enforce that. we've separately gotten word that the army was told to ready military police units for

possible deployment to minneapolis. the new york times is reporting that that became necessary and was a request from the governor' office after protests escalated into looting and much more violence than anyone had counted on. the governor is responding tonight with what he thinks will be peaceful demonstrations to drown out the noise of those who are doing anything but. an interesting development we heard from the mayor right now of st. paul, minnesota is that all the arrests that were made last night were those who were coming from out of the state. they weren't in-state. they were out of state protester s and some of which had the assigned moment to make this a cause celeb, and that they were arrested but no in- staters were among that group that's something a lot of people in the law enforcement community have been charging here. that has not eased the fears of a fifth night of protest that have now spread to at least 30

cities talk that it could get up to 40-plus cities tonight with more peaceful so we'll look at that as well with congressman emmanuel clever, whose also a preacher by training, something that will come in very valuable right now. we are also watching development s of cape canaveral, where we're told they are going to take another shot at this launch today, for 3:22 eastern time. this is not the first time we've seen space up close and personal in the middle of violence and disruptions in this country. they pretty much define the entire apollo program and in a weird way they are doing so again, we're keeping an eye on both. stay with us. en your immunity. starvation dieting, processed foods, shakes, and diet gimmicks have made us heavier and sicker. the solution for losing weight the right way is golo. we help transform your body and change your lifestyle, so you can lose weight and get healthier.

over 20,000 people of all ages, and entire families, switch to golo every week, because golo works. golo is a unique approach to weight loss that targets insulin resistance and body fat. insulin resistance makes it easy to gain weight and harder to lose it. golo is a patented system that uses natural plants and minerals, and sound nutrition to help your body convert fat to energy faster. so you'll lose weight while improving your health and immunity. join over 1 million people who found golo, a smarter way to lose weight. let golo help you lose weight and reach your health goals quickly. head to golo.com. that's golo.com.

neil: all right we are getting more details on what they're planning for minnesota tonight they want peaceful demonstration s, that's fine with the governor just don't let it morph into the violence and the looting and the craziness that's pretty much dominated the last four nights of such protest and we're also hearing that he's calling for the full mobilization of minnesota's national guard which means a little bit more than 13,000 soldiers and now he is avoiding and has not yet requested we're told active duty forces but we're separately told that the u.s. army has put a number of active duty military personnel on alert. just in case. so, following that very closely,

it doesn't really happen is congressman emmanuel clever of missouri a preacher by training and that has often come in handy when he works in washington and when he follows developments like this. congressman very good to have you i'm sorry under these circumstances, but what do you make of how these protests have taken on a life of their own, a pretty violent life of their own , when even those who support the peaceful protesters worry that those coming from out of the area have hijacked this. >> well, i hope that the people who are viewing your show will understand this , because i think probably the majority of people may not. i was the mayor for eight years before i went into congress, and so you see a lot of things you learn a lot of things particularly when you are the head of a police department. let me just share with you one ferguson occurred the congressman lacey clay was out of the city so i left and

went down the street to st. louis and stood in for him until he returned but then we found out at the conclusion of all of the violence from the justice department and local police, we had a meeting in the federal court house, the justice department had been flying drone s over the crowd during the rioting. we found out what was going on and that is that anarchist had come into st. louis and that's what happened here. i heard people say they are burning down the community and when they say they don't understand the people in the community are not burning it down. many of them are standing up trying to prevent it and when anarchist infiltrate demonstrations in the united states, there is a very very real chance that a patriotic and peaceful protest will take on the flavor of the beast, and that's what's happening in the community. three and a half years ago, an

anarchist attempted to go in my office twice. he was called by the fbi and he's now in prison but when he went before the judge after the sentence and the judge said do you have anything you want to say and he said yes, i hate i got caught. i don't know if people understand, we have people who are almost professional anarchists and we found in ferguson people were coming in from chicago, we even had people spotted in the crowd from los angeles. that doesn't matter but the fact is they came in and that's what's happening here. this is not, i agree with with i know the governor quite well and the attorney general quite well and keith ellison is just about to the far left as you can go but you will not hear him even remotely justifying anything that's happening. these are bad people, and they

are destroying or certainly trying to disable civil society in our country and we can't let them win. neil: you know, congressman, we do know enough in the st. paul case where the mayor was talking melvin carter about the arrest made all of the people from out of state to bear your point but you were mentioning the ferguson case with michael brown and that was the same year we had the eric garner case in new york and the incidents that started innocently enough must go into international coverage and tragedies each and all cases a lot from their homes far from the minneapolis area as you know , each protest across the country in at least 30 cities more expected tonight. what do you tell those who can't distinguish that they better start distinguishing, they better know that there's a difference between peaceful protesters and those who come with a different agenda? how do you advise them?

>> well, i think the justice that i can pretty much guarantee you that there are undercover i guess i can say this , undercover underground right now in minneapolis, undercover law enforcement the people around the country who are not familiar with all of this need to understand, there are people in that crowd who are looking at the bad folks sorting through and there will be a number of arrests when this is all over, and the people who are watching need to understand, look, almost every american, every american is troubled by the violence, but i beg the people who are watching, who never had any experience with urban life or even people of another cultural race to understand that there's a racial component to

what happened that precipitated the violence, but i don't think there is anything about the protests that can be justified in any way whether you're dealing with race or whatever, and they i hope understand that many of those people, many of the peaceful demonstrate or s are putting their lives on the line trying to stop people from throwing mall a toronto cocktails and if you, last evening i think there are people actually begging people not to throw a malatov cocktail into a business. those are americans doing peaceful demonstration, and they have been overshadowed by anarchists and before this tragedy i was, i'm on the commission, my wife and i were the commission, and i had a chance to sit and talk with some people there late one evening,

and people around the world are fixated on what is happening in the united states, and i think they become extremely confused when things like this occur, and other things that they are becoming concerned about. i hate the fact that this is happening number one and then secondly, i hate what is being seen around the globe as an america falling apart at least that's what it comes across as , across the pond. neil: well we hope that cooler and calmer heads prevail, and it was very fortunate, where you were a few years back to avoid things getting super crazy, but they get super crazy they were already at that now. congressman we'll watch it very very closely thank you for taking the time. congressman emmanuel clever of missouri. i want to go to mississippi governor tate reeves. no doubt you're following this we sometimes forget in the middle of this we're in this

coronavirus situation here where a lot of states yours included are trying to get things open back up. obviously this kind of complicates that. how about for your state? well there's no doubt this is a complicating factor. i've been discussing with my brand new commissioner of the department of public safety and all of our generals and others over the last three days, and we are monitoring the situation very very closely. we have had demonstrations in our state so far they have all been peaceful and that is something that i'm going to defend every single day that i'm in office is individuals right to peacefully protest but there becomes a time when some of these individuals choose as has been said by people of all political stripes. some of these individuals choose to cross that line and they move from peaceful protest and they move into criminal activity and it is imperative that we have a force that is ready to deal with that criminal element should it become necessary. neil: it's always a tricky

element, governor, when we're going back to governor tim walz in minnesota whose going to bring in the national guard all 13,000 from the state of minnesota. not in a more active role but a presence role. what do you think of that and when you do make a call like that, governor obviously you have to do it very carefully, but is it called for now? >> well i will tell you as governor i would never want to put the national guard or u.s. soldiers in a position in which they had to police in our own state; however, there comes a time when you have to show the necessary force so that these individuals are willing to cross this line, and quite frankly many instances want to cross this line, you got to have an overwhelming force there to deal with it so that you not only protect those individuals who are peacefully protesting but you also protect the people of our state. i know there are a lot of good people in minnesota who are very concerned about the events of the early part of this week that

also are very scared right now, and so there is a time when you have to make that call, you have to show overwhelming force, and if the individual police departments don't have it, if you don't have the ability to do it from state law enforcement perspective, then absolutely it is a necessary thing to call out all resources that you have and i think that's, when you look at what's going on in some of these cities that's going to be necessary. neil: governor, thank you very much, a very good catching up with you i hope things remain stable in your state and this unwinding of the coronavirus continues without too too many hitches. thank you, governor i want to go back to governor walz addressing the press right now in minnesota just to update you the governor has called in the national guard to help out on this , but also, indicating right now he's not requesting active duty forces just yet, having said that the u.s. army is what a number of active duty military and police units on alert. governor walz. >> the vast majority right now and i think the difference is

and this is where mayor carter, mayor frey spoke el eloquently on this. our heart and our solidarity are with folks who understand what happened monday night to george floyd must see justice, and we must, but these folks are not them so that's a good question and we'll get more data. peter do you want to follow-up on that? all right, yes, sir? reporter: who are these people and what's happening right now in terms of going after them? >> yeah, do you want to talk about that? as we've begun making arrests, we have begun analyzing the data of who we've arrested and begun actually doing what you would think as almost very similar to our covid. it's contact tracing. who are they associated with? what platforms are they advocat ing for? and we have seen things like

white supremities organizers who have posted things on platforms about coming to minnesota. we're checking to see do the folks that we have made arrests on and we have information are they connected to those platform s. we have seen fliers about protests where folks talked about they are going to get their loot on and we're checking to see are they part of an organized criminal organization and if so what is that organization and how are they organized? we have been working with both our state, our county, our local , and our federal partners to start looking at issues around is this organized crime? is this an organized sell of terror? where are, where do these folks, where is the linkage is what we're doing and so we are in the process right now of building that information network, building that intel effort, so that we can link these folks together, figure out what the organizations that have

created this , and then just understand how do we go after them legally. that is absolutely part in parcel of our mission. we are, in fact, public safety and we recognize that there are legal issues involved here but we are not going to tolerate the violence and the destruction that they're using as a cover for the other illegal activity. >> [inaudible] >> i expect we will be able to release some of the names of those folks that have been arrested and some of the background information that we have pulled together and we hope to be able to did that today. >> i think too is the help on that, and the frustration we feel about who are they, why do they do this and it was one of

the things i've asked them tok get this out clearly. next week, please? reporter: can you talk a bit more about your conversation with secretary esper this morning and what we might expect in terms of federal government military assistance? >> yeah, this is the second conversation in 24 hours with defense secretary earnings per share and chairman of the joint chiefs of staff milly, and general jensen being the lead with military affairs we're looking at what are the resources they have, is there signal intelligence that we can get from them are there things we can provide and then talking about the mechanisms that we use in the national guard. i think it's really important again for folks to think about the uniqueness of our nation of protecting civil liberties is to make sure civilian control of the military and especially inside the united states is carried out by civilians, by citizen soldiers by national guard. this goes back to 1804 and when we redid it in 2007. i was the lead author of it in 2007 so i understand very

clearly the civilian population is a deep concern that's why we're accessing and they are helping us access all of these assets through the national guard and our surrounding states they also were able to provide their intelligence support of what they're seeing, what their signal intercepting may have obviously from nsa and others massive support to be able to see who these operators are and i think for minnesotans, and as you saw this its been 48 hours playing out just thinking about this the wars that we fought to protect our nation, the war on terrorism, all that, over the last 72 hours, these people have brought more destruction and more terror to minnesota than anybody in our history. that's who we're up against. when you see them out there wearing a t-shirt, or a baseball hat and walking down, that is not who they are. that is not who this is, and so i think it's very clear to change your mind set as we're changing ours and keeping that line again of the respect for peaceful protesting it has morphed over the last 48 hours to something very different. yes? reporter: the curfew with the

destruction that happened last night, talking about how you're going to change tactics and the amount of law enforcement that you have here, yet we had crews out all night yet we didn't see law enforcement until well after 11:00. >> yeah it is the shear numbers there were more law enforcement they were actively engaged they would tell you like no time in the 90-year history of that. that's how big this was. one of the things about a curfew is much like i continue to say, civil society is not maintained just by laws and the threat of punishment. it's maintained by the sense of the social compact that we share the same values. what the curfew does is it gives us a legal authority to make the arrest if people are out there to start separating that so i'd be very clear to people tonight, i believe and i think setting the expectations on this , what you've seen in previous nights i think will be dwarfed by what they will do tonight and if you are an innocent bystander going out

tonight you will be swept up in this but thinking about the logistics of arresting someone who is in a force, wants to break the line and what we're talking about is under the tactics that they use if we step into a crowd of someone who threw a molatov cocktail at us the minute you do that they're surrounding those folks and trying to escalate a situation where deadly force is used and then chaos ensues. so the question about are you out there, have you put enough on there just to be very clear. the mayor of minneapolis request ed national guard support earlier than anybody in the country. national guard was mobilized at a level unseen in minnesota history by wednesday morning. the forces on the ground last night were dwarfing anything we've seen from riots, from the hormel strike going back in minnesota history, so you're seeing shear numbers of where the protesters were at and that is our job and what we're doing today to pull in all these resources but just to be very clear. those who say federalize and bring them in, you're talking

about 400 people under that scenario, and also fundamentally changing how we go about policing and striking that balance, so if it were the case, throw everything at this , send out 100,000 people and go out and arrest every one of these people, that's the situation you would see on the street so there has to be tactical. it has to be with the support. we have to get the help from the public to making sure that if you are not involved in this and what i would asked to is, if you know where these people are sleeping today, let us know and we will execute warrants. let us know if there's someone that's there to do this. start talking back. if you know someone was down there protesting, help us. help us. call that in. tell us who they were. they're not from minneapolis but they are staying down here. they are doing this , they are coming in. next question? yes? reporter: how many arrests have been made so far? and how would you attempt to go about enforcing the curfew, putting larc harms

way in this situation? >> before the commissioner comes up here this is one again all of us is being as transparent as possible i'm speaking to minnesotans now about articulating a plan. some of this is the tactics that we use. these folks are very smart. if i tell exactly and he tells you they will adjust and adapt. we changed in two nights they changed with us so i'll let john talk about the number of arrest and maybe some of the basic techniques you're seeing. >> on the st. paul side, as best and these are all preliminary numbers we had about 20 arrests made on the st. paul side, over half of those were for burglary and when we talk about burglary, if you can think about those grocery stores and those walgreens and all of the liquor stores and the pharmacies that have been broken into, as you look at all of the plywood that's up and about, they were significant numbers for burglary and then

there was about a third of that total was for curfew violations in addition to that. on the minneapolis side, i believe there was once again, close to 20 and i think between 15 and 20 there, and once again, much of that was for curfew violations and/or for destruction of property. so that's the numbers we have so far. we recognize that that's only essentially st. paul and minneapolis. we really need to get both ramsey county booking numbers and we recognize that as there were firebombings done throughout the metro area, that we actually have, we're going to have to tap into washington, dakota also because we understand that they also had crimes committed in their jurisdictions. reporter: is there a degree that anyone else out after 8:00 is aiding and a betting this and providing comfort for these folks and are you telling legitimate protesters to not

help provide cover? >> peter i didn't catch the second part of your question there. reporter: are you telling folks in your city that they are providing cover for this activity when they are out after curfew and that they should stop? >> yes, by being out tonight, you are most definitely helping those who seek to wrong our city , and let me be clear about this curfew. the people in our cities, the residents of minneapolis, they are not abiding by the curfew because they don't want to get arrested. they are abiding by the curfew because they understand that it's the right thing to do for our city. londoners during world war one and world war ii didn't turn off their lights because the government told them to. they turned off their lights because they recognized it was the right thing to do for their city and their country, and that's exactly the same thing as to what we're seeing right here.

let me be clear about the number s that we've seen. early on, there were so many questions about why don't we just arrest our way out of this. on wednesday, and thursday, and why don't we have an officer placed at each and every business? if we were to place an officer at all of the businesses that we were seen getting attacked and looted, it be one officer facing in some instances 100 people coming in. if they were to arrest one, the other 99 walk right by. we certainly don't want to insight additional violence by triggering some form of force and so this became a very difficult situation that was not about planning or strategy but about math. i want to be very clear. we did not have the numbers early on. this was about math. on wednesday, afternoon, i called the governor as soon as i

heard from our chief ardondo and requested assistance from the national guard we are very appreciative to have those resources. we definitely need the numbers because we can't do it alone and now that we do have a very concerted and unified contingent right now, and so tonight, yes. most definitely, abide by the curfew. we'll need everybody complying. >> thank you and i think we've all made the distinction that there are people who are seeking to peacefully protest and there are other people who are agitators who are seeking to agitate and insight violence. the problem that we're hearing from a lot of our friends who have been in the movement here -- neil: we're continuing to monitor this right now you're hearing from the mayor of the two cities involved in minneapolis and st. paul but we interrupted it to let you know that we've learned that the fbi

is confirming that an officer was killed in a protest near san francisco from the fbi statement and quoting here. "san francisco and the oakland police department investigating a shooting that occurred at the ronald dullam's federal building at approximately 9:45 p.m. on friday, may 29 obviously, last night, a vehicle approached the building, an individual inside the vehicle began firing gun shots at contract security officers, at the federal protection service of the department of homeland security. one officer was killed on the scene. another was injured. the fbi has deployed investigators and the evidence response team to try to get to the bottom of this , and to get to the crime scene. we will continue to work again, quoting from the fbi, on this investigation alongside the oakland police department. we will not be commenting

further at this time. so this is now becoming a national event beyond just the minneapolis area. all the way out in san francisco , protests that now have claimed the life of an fbi agent. we don't know much more than that. we do know the protests were and continue to be widespread. we do know that in minnesota they are going to have a curfew in effect tonight to limit the protesters that are more violently inclined. how they are going to delineate that and separate that presumably with the help in this case the minnesota's national guard about 13,000 of them. they want the peaceful protests to continue. they will crackdown on those who are not there peacefully and a lot of these demonstrations across the country have not been very peaceful, or for the cause you might think and in minneapolis itself, many of those were arrested, for example , in the twin cities area are coming from out of state.

leland vittard saw this firsthand when he was cover ing protesters outside the white house right now and joins us right now. leland what did you discover? leland: good evening to you, neil when you cover these protests you're expecting, perhaps for there to be violence especially when there's going to be clashes with police but this was different. we were really targeted our crew and i, the crowd turned on us, it was clear it was organized, and then a mob descended on us, chased us out of lafayette park there, there were 50 or 60 people who no longer cared about the secret service or yelling at president trump or talking about that. they came out after us chased us out, took our camera smashed our camera, took my microphone, threw it at me, we took a lot of body shots in terms of getting pushed around and shoved around, and then finally made our way about two blocks to where we could find a police cruiser and then the police there called in reinforcement. it was the most scared i have been since being chased out by a

group in the muslim brother hood it was clear had we not been able to get out and our security you see there did a great job and the daily caller was able to capture it certainly happened. had we not been able to get out things could have been a lot worse. neil: leland how did it start did they recognize where you were or where you were from or just explain how they caught on to that? leland: exactly there was a tracker, if you will, wearing a hoodie and kept badgering us who do you work for and then all of a sudden he pulled out his phone and had on twitter a screen shot of me and started passing his phone around and he said he works for fox news and as soon as we came on the air and i started talking big crowd came around starting chanting "f fox news" and pushed me forward and then the crowd gathered and >> how threatening was it last night across from the white

house. a lot of people were concerned that the white house, i know it was a formal lockdown, but concerned enough that the secret service upped the ante there to protect the president, escalating pretty quickly. leland: know he question about it. the secret service initially, and i say initially, for hours was very restrained, but when the protesters started trying to push over the bicycle barricades that formed the initial buffer of the white house security. the secret service let people chant and push and as soon as they broke down the barricade, the secret service came out with riot gear i'd never seen before. they were secret service normally in plain clothes and uniform and take pride in many very dissecret how they sort of do their jobs and there's never really a big show of force for the secret service. now it's there, but they don't show it and last night they did and this crowd was pretty violent. they broke down the bicycle

barricades that are linked by iron and when the secret service put them back up, the secret service used their handcuffs to try to lock the bicycle barricades together to keep the protests back without using the riot shields and the protests broke through that wall as well of the handcuffs and the padlocks and wire. so they were right up against the secret service. the secret service showed incredible restraint and brought out pepper spray, et cetera. once the mob turned on us, about 50 people and started pushing us out of lafayette park, there was two blocks of no man's land. there was no police, nothing. we were on our own save for a couple of news organizations that were able to capture this. neil: so normally now, it used to be that pennsylvania avenue in front of the northern entrance of the white house used to be a thoroughfare and cars could travel, after 9/11 that quickly ended. and you're normally not, i believe, leland, supposed to protest on the white house side of that, that you have to stay

away from the fence across the street at lafayette square, at lafayette park. this crowd it looks like from some of the explanation you're giving and we're now showing, they got to that fence. that had to get pretty hairy. leland: exactly, it was pretty hairy. it was something i never thought i would see at the white house. and as you noted, neil, the white house is just to the right, screen right of what you see in our camera and christian did an incredible job and will pan over in the video from last night and you'll see the white house. it's only 100 yards from where we were to the front door of the white house and obviously, a lot of fences between there, but the secret service will allow anybody to come into lafayette park, protest, shout, do whatever you want, but the line is from the brick to the pavement on to what was pennsylvania avenue that people drove up and down as you point out. and the secret service was very clear, you're not coming over this line, but the secret service last night took a lot of abuse. there were firecrackers thrown at them and that's the white

house view. you can see just how close we were. there were firecrackers thrown at the secret service, there were a number of officers hurt, secret service officers hurt and tons of water bottles thrown. and they were standing there with the riot shields taking the abuse, at one point pepper spray, the protesters were looking to pick a fight. that's the feeling i got. they weren't interested in being heard or having a unified message. they were interested in violence and pushing the secret service towards arrest and starting to grab people, et cetera. so my hats off to the secret service who showed incredible restraint in the face of real provocation by these protesters who, when we-- even when we tried to interview a number of them and talk to them and get explanation or cohesive message, they weren't

interested. they weren't interested in talking about their position, and they talked about the president. >> and we said what about the doj or minneapolis, they didn't care about any of that. neil: very wild. leland, i'm glad you're all right and your crew is all right. leland: a little sore from the thumping, but doing okay. neil: yeah, amazing. thank you, leland, very very much. that's pretty scary stuff. we're told that the secret service said the president was never in danger. and he was at the white house and is still at the white house. the president commending the secret service how they handled that and we'll take a look at the protests, 30 cities, i stand corrected 35 cities last night. talk of organized protests again this evening that could eclipse 50 cities, so don't know much more about that and we're also following up on what seems to be the killing of a fbi agency out of san francisco. we don't know much more than that, but, again, all of this

occurring at a time when the country is coming out of this whole coronavirus lockdown thing and the sheltering that had been going on so people are just coming out now and then things like this happen. and what kind of effect is that going to have on our psyche. with us, very, very patient, afl-cio president richard trumka. sorry to have you on under these circumstances, but i'm wondering, given the freedom to assemble and the freedom to protest and that's a god given right, people to honor it and protect it. and for the most part honorably demonstrated as well. there are those who go a little too far. are you worried that these protests are morphing into something more worrisome? >> well, first of all, neil, i completely understand the delay. you're covering some very important stuff and i want to thank you for having me on and let me frame that issue this way. you know, what happened to

george floyd and ahmaud arbery has been going on for a while, and racism plays an insidious role in the daily lives of working people of color. that's why we consider it a working issue. inequality exists and, neil, for too long we as a nation avoid-- have avoided saying that out loud. we avoided doing anything. and we can no longer sit by and be silent or sit still and i hope that the irresponsible and reprehensible actions of those that perpetuate violence aren't used as an excuse for the nation not to have that conversation yet again because i can tell you, our nation needs that conversation to be able to come together, to heal some of the wounds that are out there and to correct some of the inadequacies and unfairness that exists and those that

perpetuate this type of stuff, threaten that conversation and i think that's just flat wrong. i think it's wrong what they do. it's wrong to threaten people, but it is even more wrong to detract completely from having the conversation that this nation so sorely needs to have. >> i just wonder, richard, when you have, you know, the democratic governor of minnesota, the democratic mayor of st. paul, the democrat irmayor of minneapolis all saying to a man that, look, that they hijacked this, that some of these more violently inclined, sometimes out of state players, in fact, all those arrested were from out of state, that they're ruining it for everybody. what do you think of that? >> i think there's a lot of merit to that. that, look, this isn't a democratic or a republican issue, this is an issue for our nation. racism affects democrats and

republicans alike and then to have-- we had the chance to have a real conversation and we still have that opportunity. those that seek to perpetuate violence or use this as an excuse to do illegal things i think are reprehensible and i hope we as a nation can look past that, neil, to say that in order to bring our country back together, in order to heal us, to bring some of the gaps in this country that truly exist, we need to have a conversation about racism, about inequality, and we shouldn't let those people on the fringes that want to use violence or any other excuse to do this, we shouldn't let them detract from that conversation. that's my biggest fear. i hope no one gets hurt. it made my heart cry when i heard you say that an officer was killed. i mean, that's not america. that's not what we stand for.

that's not what the good people of this country believe in. we believe in the freedom of speech and we all ought to be able to talk to each other, even when we disagree. i mean, you and i have disagreed at times, neil, but we've never stopped being friends. we've never stopped being able to communicate with one another and from the bottom of my heart, i hope the nation can dig down deep and find that goodness, the better spirits, the better angels that we have and start that conversation so we can heal this. neil: all right. you know, you put it in a perspective that very few have and either side of this and i know under very different circumstances than we originally intended. we were going to talk about the work force and preening for life after the coronavirus opening. i hope you'll understand given this that things shifted around, but i must say, we've had many a chat, my friend. i think this was the most

profound and i'm grateful for that. i think our nation is grateful to hear what you had to say. be well, be healthy. >> you too. thank you for what you do and we need that conversation, god bless you. neil: on all sides, you're right. rich trumka head of the afl-cio. he didn't have to stick around as as long as he did to talk about that, as apolitical as you can get on an issue that's near and dear to all of us. and space travel, we're revisiting that with another crack at ending our nearly 10 year long ride of hitching a ride with the russians. right now we have jim bridenstine, the nasa administrator. jim, always good to have you, i'm sorry under these immediate circumstances here, but i was thinking, you know, you were beyond, jim, the space program has a long and storied role in

sort of lifting us up when we're down or weighed down by protests and violence, throughout the 1960's and the magic of the space race and the apollo program and ultimately capping a decade by landing a man on the moon in the middle of a war and racial riots and the like. so once again, we're looking at a launch that hopefully will lift the nation up in the middle of something like this. how do you feel about it? >> i think you're right, neil. we look back into the 1960's and we see the war in vietnam and the protests not just at the nation's capital, but across the country at universities. we see the injustice. we see the protests and here we are today, we are on the cusp of launching american astronauts on american rockets from american soil for the first time since the retirement. space shuttle back in 2011. this, i think, has not just an

opportunity to give everybody a moment to unite, but also to give people hope. what we're doing is very, very challenging. it's very, very difficult. it requires the best of everything america has to offer and this time we're doing it in a way that's never been done before. we're doing it commercially. the president is delivering on his promise here and we're on the cusp of delivering. neil: tell us how it looks for today. obviously, you know, everyone hopes that there's a launch today. we forget and you've reminded me in the past is that many a mission has been delayed either by weather or technical issues. how does it look so far for today? >> yes, i was just talking to one of our astronauts, doug hurley, he's a marine corps pilot by trade, a test pilot, veteran of numerous space shuttle missions and doug hurley reminded me on his last space shuttle mission, they scrubbed five times getting ready for it.

i want to be clear that's not our objective here. our objective is to go, but our hi highest priority is for doug and bob to be safe. right now we're looking at a 50% chance of going, we're go for launch right now and we're going to have to wait and see how this weather turns out. we're in florida and it's may, and florida in may, we've got the international space station that's going to fly right over this afternoon and we're going to launch to meet that deadline, that space station. so we don't have a lot of opportunities to move around the times and that kind of thing, but what's important is we do have about a 50% chance of getting off the ground and getting to the space station. neil: so, jim, we talk about the need for good weather, but as you reminded me it's not just at cape canaveral and the cocoa beach area, but really, almost 1100 miles going up each coastline. can you explain that?

>> absolutely. so unlike the shuttle era, this particular spacecraft actually has a launch abort capability which means it has a safety mechanism that the shuttle's never had, which is very, very good. that's the upside. the down side is we have to have really good weather down range, as you mentioned 1100 miles. any point between launch to orbit, if they want to initiate the launch abort sequence they can and there's a few key moments where there's higher risk than others. one is off the coast of north carolina where we separate the first stage from the second stage and light that second stage rocket. if we wanted to initiate the launch abort sequence then we would need good weather off the coast of north carolina because our astronauts are going to come home in parachutes in a capsule under parachutes and riding parachutes down in a thunderstorm is never a good idea, and down bursts and that kind of thing. i'm optimistic today that we're

going to launch. neil: you know, jim, who makes that call if it -- you know, god forbid it gets to the point they have to jettyson and they can do that almost to orbit. who makes that call? >> it's all automated as a matter of fact. the rocket has all kinds of sen sensors and monitoring pressures and flows of fuel and oxidizer. so it's monitoring itself all the time and if any of those parameters get too far out of whack where it looks like it's going to be a bad day, the launch abort sequence happens automatically. the pilots also have the-- i should say the astronauts also have the opportunity to initiate a launch abort sequence, but the computers are generally going to be faster than the astronauts. neil: you know, these guys are military pilots by training so i guess they're used to working with a stick, would you call it a joy stick, makes it sound like a game. in a way it's like a really

souped up cool tesla, it's lean and clean in there. i'm wondering for these pilots by training, i don't know if that's a good or a bad thing? what did you learn how they've reacted to it all? >> so these two astronauts as you mentioned, they're not just military pilots, but they're also test pilots so they've been in the test community for a long time and they help spacex actually develop the vehicle, not just the capsule, but the rocket. they've been very involved for five years in the development process and, yes, flying this vehicle is not like flying an airplane. there are no hand controls, everything is like-- it's like flaying an iphone, everything is a flat screen with push buttons, but i tell you, our astronauts were very involved in its development. they're very satisfied with how it operates and we're going to test it. remember, this is a test flight. make no mistake this is not

normal operations, it's a test flight. the first time we're going to get an end to end test flight for a crew dragon on top of a spacex rocket falcon 9. neil: well put. i like it's like flying an iphone. user friendly there. and jim, you've had very little sleep-- >> come on, neil, it's not obvious. neil: come on, come on, that's me on a good day. jim, best of luck with this today. be well and healthy. jim bridenstine, the nasa administrator and his enthusiasm for this is contagious. all right, we've got-- who are we going to right now, guys? >> phil keating. neil: phil keating. i apologize. phil keating is at cape canaveral. you might have heard, phil, what jim was saying, that it's a 50-50 shot. obviously, depends not only

right where you are, but as you astutely pointed out, way up the east coast. how is it looking? >> yeah, all the way to the u.k., actually. right now, it's looking good. ooh-50. tomorrow the chances are a little bit better at 3 p.m., that would be a 60% good weather probabilities. well, the big question now is whether today will be the historic day. the first time a privately owned space company launches human beings into orbit. those human beings are the astronauts, doug hurley and bob behnken. they'll be suiting up in their stylish spacesuits in about 20 minutes. let's take a live look out there at the launch pad. that's the falcon 9 rocket and dragon crew capsule standing tall and ready to launch. just like wednesday, it's likely all going to come down to the weather. behnken and hurley will get in there around 5:25 p.m. and

after they take their last steps. and they were suited up and strapped in and 16 minutes plus before the nine merlin engine were heated up, there was too much electricity in the air from the storms. which could happen today. the weather squadron provides the launch criteria, cloud issues and down issues and can wait until 30 seconds from launch to rule a no-go. the trip to the space station will take roughly 19 hours and arrive to the hatch around 10:30 a.m. sunday morning and perhaps the most important test happened in march, spacex proved its launch abort system can successfully save the lives of the astronauts if there's a major problem with the rocket,

jettisonning it off the rocket. and tens and tens of thousands of the crowds, a huge crowd at titusville. we have crews over at titusville and crowds are accumulating and getting their spots and they're going to sit here and possibly sit in a bunch of afternoon rain, but they really hope that 50-50 goes in favor of a successful blastoff. neil. neil: fingers crossed, my friend. >> by the way, neil. neil: phil keating, yes. >> by the way, president trump and vice-president pence also intend to be amongst the big crowd in person. neil: that's right, that's right. they're going to be at the center itself, right? a few miles away, but they'll have an eagles eye view of it, right. >> they will be here at the kennedy space center, we're basically three miles from the launch pad. neil: understood. you know your stuff, young man.

he's already an honorary astronaut, phil keating at cape canaveral. a lot of people say who are you, neil cavuto, to be an honorary astronaut. and i was given a pin to be an honorary astronaut and i can bequeath to others. didn't know that. and a difference between cargo dragon and crew dragon. you hear that terminology used a lot. it's the first time it's a crew dragon because men are on board. two to fill up the seven seats in a craft that will ultimately make its way to the moon. when it comes to cargo dragon, deep in mind this has been launched to and from the space station delivering supplies some 20 times. difference now and it's a big one, human beings are on board. stay with us. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members

so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus

discover all the ways we're helping members yeah. this moving thing never gets any easier.

well, xfinity makes moving super easy. i can transfer my internet and tv service in about a minute. wow, that is easy. almost as easy as having those guys help you move. we are those guys. that's you? the truck adds 10 pounds. in the arms. -okay... transfer your service online in a few easy steps. now that's simple, easy, awesome. transfer your service in minutes, making moving with xfinity a breeze. visit xfinity.com/moving today.

>> all right. you heard the governor of minnesota say he's activated the national guard, to deal with expected protests tonight. he wants to keep it limited to peaceful protests. a lot of people thought this would all be avoided with the arrest of the officer involved in george floyd's death. apparently his arrest did little to change the sentiment of the crowd that want other officers arrested as well who were working with him. ken starr is a former whitewater counsel and fox news contributor. time for him to weigh in. and leaving aside the reaction they thought they would not see in light of the officer's arrest, i'm wondering what you make of the arrest of the third degree manslaughter charges? some expected something more weighty, your thoughts.

>> well, it's the start and what we have of course, neil, is tragedy upon tragedy, totally avoidable, really heinous death and homicide. so, that will, i think, play out. it's going to play out through the law enforcement evaluation of all the facts and clearly in terms of accountability, there is going to be accountability and including the justice department weighing possible civil rights violations being investigated. it just in listening to all the conversations and the other tragedy that is where is the vision and the voice of dr. king, and nonviolence. someone with that kind of stance for speaking into the situation. what we're hearing, words such as anarchy and people coming in to the twin cities from out of state and that means it is in fact a fbi and attorney general kind of issue. neil: and the fbi to get the

reports of a fbi agent killed in san francisco. we don't know much more than that outside of it seems to be a protester who just, you know, unloaded on the guy from a passing vehicle. having said that, i mean, people are always worried about the next level this goes to. you have the mayors of st. paul, minneapolis, the governor of minnesota promising the peaceful demonstrators will have their chance tonight, but the national guard will be there. 13,000 plus strong. maybe more, if called for, if needed. that could be a powder keg. >> it could be, and this is where restraint is required and yet, we have to enforce the law. one of the things that was very troubling early on was when the protests first turned violent and i don't know whether there's any suggestion of this as out of state anarchy, but several nights ago, the police stood by. so it's one thing to say as we

heard the mayor say earlier, well, there's one police officer and 100 people gathering, but we're also hearing, but, wait, those are peaceful folks and it's just a handful of people who are engaging in this kind of anarchy and violence. we really can't have is both ways. if the steps taken are sensible and consistent with what has been done and the tragic things that occur in our country from time to time. remember long ago the rodney king riots. this is a horrible tragedy, a national tragedy and how do you respond? i think, the point i make i think the mayor is wise by saying this is out of my hands, whether he performed well or not, whether the law enforcement did well in terms of the immediate response to the tragedy, this terrible, terrible killing of george floyd, at least he had the good judgment, i believe, to say to the governor, it's really out of my hands.

we need the national guard. so i think the show of force is very, very wise and the curfew i think is very wise to try to return to a state of peaceful protest that we all agree with. this is fundamental to the american vision, the american democracy. peacefully protest, but follow the example of dr. king, nonviolen nonviolence. neil: yeah, there is that hope. ken starr, thank you very much, my friend. i'm sorry under these circumstances, but always appreciate your legal and human expertise, more the latter i think on a day like this. ken starr on all of that. as ken was speaking here, we're getting these images to us from nasa of the astronauts suiting up. doug hurley and bob behnken. they hope today is the charm. interesting little footnote on hurley, not only was he involved in the last of the u.s. mission that lifted from u.s. soil, but in his first light on the shuttle endeavour,

it was scrubbed some five times over the course of a month. technical weather-related problems and so again, can you imagine you could only do this five times before they get it right, but they do. they ultimately do get it right and as i've been saying here, often times, in fact, most of the time these things are delayed anywhere from minutes before launch where they have to be scrubbed, or sometimes weeks or months before they can get another crack at it. but again, the lift-off time is scheduled for a little less than four hours from now, 3:22 p.m. eastern time. it's got to be timed perfectly to hook up to the international space station that's now orbiting the earth at around 17,000 miles per hour, just about 250 miles per hour up from over their heads. all right. so we're on that. we're also with don peebles, from the obama finance

committee. don, it's well regarded in the new york and financial committee, he's well aware of protests that are planned in new york after these incidents in minneapolis. so, don, if you don't mind my touching on that aspect of your wonderful career and what you're looking for. i mean, this is a call to sort of all types and all views and all parties. it's to keep it calm, to go ahead and exercise your god given constitutional right here to protest, but even hearing it from the minnesota governor, don't go too far. don't do what we saw right outside the white house where things got pretty nasty. easier said than done. >> yeah, easier said than done. you know, it's really disappointing. i was born in 1960 so i was a young boy during the civil rights movement and i thought our country would have moved further than it has now. what we're seeing here is not about george floyd as much as it is with pent up frustration and a sense of hopelessness.

i mean, if you look at african-americans, home ownership rates today are lower than they were in 1968. black household net worth is $17,000 compared to white household network of $171 is,000. so people are very frustrated and the key here is that a message or an agenda is being lost with this disruption and this violence. now, one of your guests a few minutes ago said it was time for a conversation. i disagree with that. we've had conversations. i think what the public wants and what these protesters want are actions, concrete actions to take steps to provide better economic and educational opportunities, as well as being treated in a respectful manner from the police department, which most often does. so, this one incident that happened in minnesota is just

unleashing frustration and it's important when people protest in new york that they actually do it peacefully so america can hear what the real issues are. and right now, those real issues are getting lost in the spectacle of violence and destructi destruction. neil: you know, they always seem to morph into this, that we should point out that it gets the attention because obviously, most of these rallies and protests certainly started out peacefully enough. you do wonder about some of the things that, you know, the twin cities mayors were talking about, where the arrests that were made, they were all from out of state. so it's almost like appointment protesting. that worries me here, if we see more of that, it's not emblematic of what's really going on. >> i agree with you. there are groups of people that are taking this opportunity to act in a violent and

destructive manner and that dilutes the impact of the real agenda. i mean, i thought that the press conference in atlanta yesterday, the rapper ti made an important comment there, why protest in atlanta? atlanta is the mecca of economic and political opportunity and empowerment for african-americans, from mayor maynard jackson to andrew young. martin luther king was born and raised there and led the civil rights movement from there. so what we need to do is bring this conversation back, but what is striking to me right now is the void or the disappearance of african-american political leaders. i mean, this is their moment. they've got to step up here and talk to the public, talk to the protesters, and calm things down so that we can have a quick discussion and a plan of action. and that's just not being done right now. and i think that where we are

here is this is going to continue to percolate and ken starr just mentioned that this happens every few years. yeah, it does and the real reason it keeps happening is no solutions have been put into place, neil. neil: you know, it's interesting because the atlanta mayor, to her credit, not only declared a state of emergency at the city, but said to the protesters, you are disgracing this city. now, whether that ever gets to a dialog about race and as you said, to talk about these other cases that pop up every few years. the eric garner case in new york in 2014, michael ferguson and all that a little more than a year later. you're right, some are stepping up to say there's a distinction between protesting as martin luther king wanted and something far from what martin luther king ever envisioned, right? >> yeah, i agree with you. what was different was john conyers, martin luther king and others actually went to the

scene of these protests to calm people down. i mean, the agenda should be economic and educational and political opportunities and that is about action and it's a peaceful process and i think what we're seeing here is a deep frustration and hopelessness, along with, of course, the pandemic itself, which has disproportionately affected low income people and communities of color. but again, think about it, the mayor of atlanta spoke on behalf of her city. we have a collection of very powerful african-american national political leaders and i am struck by their absence. this is the time for them to step up and talk about these issues. i mean, make this actually be productive and stop the destruction of our country and by the way, think about what happens to the communities when

these protesters leave and they leave this path of destruction. these communities are decimated and it takes decades. sometimes generations for them to come back. communities destroyed in the 1968 riots, many of them have never recovered. that's a bigger issue. if you care about advancing african-american agenda, don't destroy our communities. neil: that's well-put. 1968 when bobby kennedy had to tragically inform people in that crowd that martin luther king had been killed and he knew something about assassinations and knew something about law, he went right to the source of the angst and the grief and the anger. you're right. we forget that. it's duty-bound and color blind. don peebles, thank you very much, my friend. >> thank you, neil.

neil: don peebles. i want to go to colorado senator cory gardner. senator, i don't know -- i knew about the protest ins denver, but i don't know if they extended beyond that city into other cities or whether things calmed down, but we do know that your governor and you were seeing a good deal of that. i'm wondering if it's easing or now given the attention of the arrest of the officer involved in this is enough to calm people down. it apparently did not do that last night. what do you expect tonight? >> well, there is supposed to be another rally at the state capitol and i encourage people to get their voices heard. look, the murder of george floyd needs to be recognized for the tragedy that it truly is and we have to take action to meet the justice and equality that failed for george floyd, but what we can't do is let this evolve into a mob, into a riot. because the people who are

protesting, they're not the people with the agenda of violence. they're not the people with the agenda of graffiti at the state capitol or tearing down the justice center. they're the voices heard, we have to act on those voices, but i hope that they will end peacefully and continue peacefully until we have the kind of action we need to prevent the next george floyd from ever happening again. neil: you know, i guess there was a frustration, senator, that it was only the officer involved directly who had his knee on floyd's neck who was ultimately arrested. and some of the anger, you attributed what about the other officers involved? there's so much we don't no about this case that we could rush to conclusion. and that was the frustration and a number of african-americans said once again, once again we're being let down. how do you answer them? >> well, look, i think what we also know is that if i as a

white american had walked into that store with a $20 counterfeit bill, i would be alive today. maybe i would have been arrested, but i'd still be alive and we have to recognize what happened to george floyd. the anger is real. what happened is a crime. he was murdered in cold blood and the people standing there were rightfully fired. more action needs to be taken. if there's laws in minnesota for accessory. whether there are laws in minnesota that cover that. we have to explore every option to hold them accountable. we can't just sit back and say this just happened and times bad things happen. we have to stop that and learn from it. more body cams. and like tom scott is passing to track-- 99% of police are good in our country and do so many good things. we can't let the people who want to perpetrate violence and

riots take over the message of george floyd. what happened. we cannot let them change the subject of the real change that needs to occur. neil: senator, we'll watch it very, very closely in your state, including in denver how protests go. we hope that everything is a little calmer tonight. obviously in minnesota they're at the center of all of this, with the presence of 13,000 national guardsmen that it will have peaceful protests. senator gardner, thank you very, very much. governor andrew cuomo of new york is speaking right now. essentially to address the coronavirus and the reopening of the state. no doubt, this issue and protests around new york city that got violent--

>> we have to open smart. this is not politics. and when it started, this is just like the flu-- yeah, the flu doesn't kill. this was not the flu. so be smart and avoid the politics and avoid the emotion and stay on the data. and when we get to these phases of reopening, we have the best global experts, people who have worked with countries that have gone through this before, that have closed, that have reopened, been closed again because they reopened too fast. so i understand you have local officials who have opinions. i have opinions, but you know what? i'm not acting on my opinion. i'm not a public health official, i'm not a doctor. know what you don't know. i go to global experts and this

is a matter of life and death and i want to make sure that i get the best advice for the people of this state. i'm not going to put anybody's life at risk. neil: we're following governor cuomo. if you didn't hear the beginning of this, the phase one opening at least in the new york metropolitan area scheduled for june 8th. we don't have a breakdown what would open and exactly how many people would be involved. we're told from the new york city mayor deblasio upward of 400,000 workers would be involved in that and told separately by the governor, it would be manufacturing construction and some service industries, we don't know how many will be allowed back. you know, it's obviously the devil is in the details. you don't want things to be too crowded for a lot of office buildings in new york city and the five boroughs. there's an issue you can't crowd people into elevators. a lot of them are on top of each other, the way they're configured now and you have to

figure that out. the way it will began monday june 8th and there was also a question about crowds and outbreaks. you've seen with all of the protests going on, those are certainly crowded events. and fox news contributor, best selling author. doctor, one of the things when i thought about and looked at the protests and ones that weren't always violent and the majority were not so violent, i want to stress that. they were crowded and all technically violating provisions, and i know people give little thought in something like this. does it worry you? because there will be protests, people and otherwise, popping up around the country and people won't be necessarily respecting how farther away from one another, what do you think? >> sure, neil. when a protest turns violent there are severe health implications especially in a time of a pandemic where we know that the exposure risk of the virus itself has racial

disparity. when you're talking just congregating people together puts them at risk for this infectio it's not just passing by, it's about how long the proposed exposure is. when you see people congregating like this, though it's less likely to be transmitted outdoors, but we're worried in some of the cities they'll see up-ticks in their virus. minneapolis, atlanta, these are large populations and african-americans, and there are other help implications, from the looting to the property damage, but i also saw in atlanta that a firecracker was thrown into a crowd and setting fires. these can have consequences and the mental anguish suffered long-term in these communities. neil: switch gears, the coronavirus and the opening of the country.

new york, the new york city metropolitan area now one of the last to reopen at least in stages, we're told, on june 8th. if you could caution or advice the governor and those making these decisions on the metrics that they're going to use to get onto phase two and open more businesses. what would you tell them? >> well, right now, neil, what we're seeing across our country is a culmination of the civil unrest from the covid-19 lockdown, the massive unemployment, as well as the existing racial inequalities in the country. so, i would say to them, listen, we need to get our country back open again. we need to boost the economy again while we're focusing on these issues. when it comes to covid-19 we have to make sure that the cities are open, but let's do it in a smart manner. we know that congregating in tight spaces, as well as the prolonged exposure is what's going to put us at increased risk. we need to open areas and make sure you're utilizing outdoor

space. let them open that up and make sure they have the proper hygiene. when it comes to elevators, we can't be crammed in anymore, there has to be a limit of people in the elevators. people need to continue the hand hygiene. maybe people are staggered in shifts, not everyone is doing the 9:00 to 5:00 grind, maybe more three shifts, and everybody is not trying to commute at the same time. transportation is key in new york city, not only do you see the virus transmitted amongst people at home, family members, but in public transportation as well. we've seen governor cuomo talking about how they'll make them much more clean. it's long-term, it can't be just for good optics. we have to make sure that no everyone is crammed anymore. i know you've done it and i've done it, crammed in there. one person sneezes with covid and we'll have the people in the car get it. we have to make sure we're

spreading people out. neil: we wonder if our workplace will ever be the same. we're used to in manhattan people crowded together. i wonder if those days are gone. >> i hope so, they should be, and the reality is right now there are a lot of people effectively working from moment and all of a sudden, it begs the question, does everybody really need to be doing that commute every day? does everybody need to be sitting in the cubical? if they're effectively able to do that job at home especially before we hetment, the cure, the vaccine for covid-19? perhaps the work from home environment should be utilized and encouraged a lot more. neil: good ideas all, doctor. we'll see what happens on that front. dr. nicole saphier. we talked about what was going on particularly in new york, unruly outside of the barclay center, and they're going to need a lot of luck on that and

cooperation. arab . >> we're reeling with what happened last night. i want to show you what we're dealing with outside the 88th precinct, n.y.p.d. this car is completely trashed. the windows are trashed out, smashed through. there's a brick in the back seat. it actually looks like it might have been-- somebody might have tried to torch it. there are some signs of that. the tires are flat. this is one of five different vehicles completely totalled on this one block and we heard from the mayor, neil, at least one person here in new york city has been arrested for the attempted murder of four police officers for allegedly throwing a molotov cocktail at an occupied police car. last night. i want to show you video from last night. some of the cameras in the field caught protesters burning a thin blue line flag and

lighting a police van on fire. this is happening in brooklyn. earlier in the night, big crowds of protesters clashing with police outside of barclay center. chaos there. some threw water bottles at officers. there were plenty of videos circulating online showing police pushing and shoving people and praying pepper spray into the crowd. one tweeted that he was pepper sprayed and handcuffed. and n.y.p.d. apparently arrested 200 people last night and said that several officers were injured in all of this. mayor deblasio was apparently in brooklyn apparently attempting to deescalate the situation and more protesters are slated for later today. >> neil. >> thank you very, very much. just looking at the update we're getting from the launch site in cape canaveral where the launch is still on and a little bit more in about three and a half hours from now, 3:22 p.m. eastern time. you're looking atop this -- or

you know, spacex rocket. right now, of the astronauts, preparing for a lift-off that they hope to get in today after one was delayed on wednesday because of the inclement weather. in fact, lightning. they think they're going to be able to do this, more after this.

>> all right. hoping the second time is the charm. doug hurley and bob behnken suiting up setting to blast off to the stars. the significance of this, the first time we've done it from american soil, launching american astronauts, this time to the international space station for the better part of nine-plus years we've been hitching rides with the

russians. that will hopefully end today or soon. apollo seven lunar module with us now. thank you for taking the time. missions like yours, apollo seven was the first crack at it after almost two years we had not been involved in space, after the awful apollo one fire. your mission paved the way for our eventually moon landing, a little more than a year later. now, when you look at this mission, different times, but it's weird how it's the same type of hoped-for pick-me-up for the country. what do you think? >> well, as i watch it today, i think it's a wonderful breakthrough as we get off. this is a very unusual in the sense that now we're-- the spacecraft is not built inside of nasa and the crew has

been training at nasa, but the operation is different today. so, i am hoping that the public at large sticks to this and we see it as a step towards the direction of getting back in char charge, with our country in charge. because we've been totally dependent on the russians now for 10 years and i don't think it's the most attractive way for us to be doing it. neil: i agree with you on that. we talk about the delays. i was startled, walt, you probably know this better than anyone else, delays are more common than uncommon. looking back, as an astronaut, were they frustrating for you? >> i'll have to say this, that the whole astronaut program has changed significantly. public at large may not have the same feel, but back in the '60s, see, our flight was

51 1/2 years ago and back in those days, we were all military fighter pilots, test pilots, taking and testing the hardware and performing the mission. and as it's gone along, we've gotten to the point where they've changed who they select, how it's trained. they are not as dependent, like i won't say they're totally independent, but they're not as dependent on the capability of flying that spacecraft. so the world has changed out there. you know, you've got to make sure that we've had enough ladies coming in, enough black astronauts, there had to be, well, one after another, they get representatives that select people to fly that are not necessarily the world's greatest fighter pilots here in

the united states. so we'll just to see how that goes and it is progress. neil: you know, we talk about the difference of those today, but that this will pave the way and even elon musk from spacex talks about everyday americans flying into space and this will do it, if you've got the money, pay them and they'll take you to space. what do you think of all that? >> well, i think that flying into space, the part i'm interested in of course is the test flying and testing out of these spacecraft and extending what they do out there. but today, in today's culture and society, it's looking like an improvement. i don't think it's been an improvement other than the international friendliness for what we've done with the russians on it, but we've also, that's also had an influence on our other relationships between

the russians and the americans, so it's had a positive fallout on it, but i'm one of those old-fashioned americans that wants to be the top of the heap regardless. neil: i hear you. well, you've galvanized a nation and the mission came at just the right time for us back then. many of us are looking at what's going on in the world today in our country more particularly saying we need to be galvanized again. walter cunningham lunar module seven. thank you from a grateful countries again. and walt said was popular in his day and americans leading the charge much americans in space. they're looking at 3:22 eastern time and if not then tomorrow. it's meticulous timing, the

international station, 17,000 miles per hour. it has to catch up to that. it's an amazing feet for mankind and a bigger achievement for the united states of america. we'll be covering it at 3 p.m. eastern time. we'll be there, hope you are, too, stay with us. >> law enforcement officials are on high alert around the country after working through the night to try and contain the riots that sprouted out in about 35 cities across the country. this is america's news headquarters, i'm eric shawn and arthel neville with us. first we're going to check in with minneapolis where the protest as you know began. steve harrigan with the latest at this hour. >> throughout the morning we've been watching the crews work. they have got a crane trying to put out the end of a