fire there. but chief andreu, we want to thank you for your insight. we're going to have a brand new hour here, we hope to have you back in the days ahead. we want to restart here as we watch these live pictures from philadelphia. sandra: thank you, ed. i'm sandra smith, this is the top of a new hour. it is sunday amp, and you are sees -- afternoon, and you are seeing a live look in philadelphia days after we saw protests ignite over the death of george floyd in minneapolis. now you have seen protests, some peaceful, some turning violent across the nation. obviously, we are witnessing violence on the streets of philadelphia right now. moments ago, ed just witnessed as he was talking to his guest, the taking over of a police squad car. it was empty. it was then run down the street by some of those protesters there and slammed into another police vehicle. you can see people there on the ground are taking over these

squad cars live on our screens here. obviously, we'll be careful with any further images coming. this police car is now on fire. you can see the flames coming up as we speak. yesterday afternoon 13 police officers in that city were injured. they are struggling to control the crowds and the rioting there. there is vandalism. there is the taking the over of property happening, and this is really something to see play out live on our screen, ed, there in philadelphia. ed: it is remarkable, to say the least. you can see one of these violent protesters is have some sort of cutting device where he's using it to rip open parts of the vehicle. now this van, police van, being ripped apart. the one violent protester has a police hat on just mocking the police, going into the car, taking some of their equipment, some of their uniforms. and i didn't want to speculate a couple moments ago because i didn't know exactly what was being poured on that one police vehicle in the back, but now we can say with certainty that it

was some sort of a lighter fluid. as you noted, flames started coming up. not on one of those vehicles, obviously, but in the back of this group. the second one there was smashed in, it was taken over by one of these violent protesters. it's remarkable because, sandra, you're not seeing really police officers near there doing something to try to top this. unless -- okay, there's now some sort of a s.w.a.t. vehicle. but before that moment you hadn't seen anyone trying to stop them. sandra: important to point out officials on the ground, the philadelphia above, tom wolf -- governor, tom wolf, has signed an emergency declaration to assist the city of philadelphia. the mayor there, jim kenny, has implemented a mandatory city curfew tonight at 8 p.m. eastern time t. curfew goes back boo effect -- into effect tonight, obviously, these are live images. we've got calls out to the local

officials on the ground there, ed. what do they do as we look at this happening live? ed: look at this now. you can see the flames obviously engulfing that suv with 911 on the back. it's clearly a police vehicle there right along arch street in philadelphia. this is a live look from our affiliate, wtxf. we saw them with what appeared to be lighter fluid on other vehicles and, clearly, they may have used it on that one as well. this is a whole series of police vehicles that were left there presumably because police officials were maybe at a nearby street trying to deal with something else. and now these violent protesters, sandra, are taking advantage of it. you can see not just the flames, but is the smoke engulfing this vehicle. sandra: it's the a lot for our viewers to take in. this is happening right before

our eyes. we're waiting for the latest words on the ground there from the governor. he says it's the unacceptable to be taking advantage of protests to incite violence, harm others and destroy property. and that's what we're seeing happening right now. ed: and the mayor have now, in the wake of all of this, they've moved up the curfew in the city of philadelphia to 6 p.m. eastern. so that's less than two hours from now. obviously, there's still people out on the streets, and they're causing mayhem. i believe ted williams, a longtime friend of the program, ted, can you hear me? >> i can hear you very well, thank you. ed: ted, can you please join us now. sandra's here as well, and i wonder as you see flames engulf this police vehicle and what started out as peaceful protests now growing violent in cities like philadelphia? >> you know, i -- watching this on television and all i can say is, oh, my god.

oh, my god. i mean, this thing started out generally about george floyd, and it is now morphed into something else. and what that something else is a monster that's out of control. those young people in these major metropolitan cities, they're out of control. when you look at philadelphia here right now, you see these law enforcement cars that are being used as missiles. i saw one car where they took it out of gear and sent it careening down the street toward other police officers on that street. unmanned police car. you saw where they are breaking into cars, stealing stuff out of cars. this has nothing to do with george floyd. this is an out-of-control mob. it has to be brought back under control. the governor, the mayor, they need to move in not tonight, not later tonight, they need to move

in now and get control of all of this. sandra: we saw images happening on the ground in philadelphia yesterday, ted, but as you just could note as a viewer, we're all taking this in together. arch street is the intersection at which this is happening, and moments ago while you were speaking, ted, we saw firefighters able to move in on the area, and they were able to try to diminish the fire of that vehicle as you can see. it is still going up in flames. ted, what do you do at this point? you've got senator tim scott on "fox news sunday" talking to chris wallace today calling on the president, address the nation. what do we need to see in terms of leadership at the state and the federal levels to stop this violence? >> well, what you need to do right now, not later but right now, you need to get the

national guard in there. you need to get other law enforcement agents that are in there to see if there's going to be a violation of curfew. it is my understanding that they have moved the curfew up a few hours. finish that's good. -- that's good. i would like that curfew to go into process and into place before it gets dark. don't wait until it gets dark. go in there now. set up the curfew. lock up as many people as you have to, but you've got to maintain control. everything right now in a lot of these major metropolitan cities are out of control. when we see what's happening here in philadelphia and philadelphia alone right now, something has to be done, and something needs to be done now, not later. ed: ted, i can hear the emotion in your voice, and i can tell you there's somebody who is listening, that's the president of the united states.

a moment ago the president tweeted: law and order in philadelphia now. they are looting stores. call in our great national guard like they finally did -- thank you, president trump, he says of himself -- last night in minneapolis s. is this what voters want with sleepy joe? you've got a democratic governor there in pennsylvania, a long run of mayors in philly as well. we've got a more urgent situation of law enforcement trying to deal with violent protests on the ground. but, ted, to the president's point, why -- we see the fire department, we should note, that is now dousing the flames. but why are law enforcement officials on the ground not directly dealing with this in some cities and pushing back these violet protesters -- violent protesters, pushing them away from law enforcement vehicleses? >> well, let me just say, first of all, i refuse to get into the

political milieu as to the manner in which the president is speaking about this. expect fact -- and the fact about it is everybody, the state and local officials, are very frustrated with what is going on. they have tried to give these demonstrators some wrong to protest peacefully. and if they were protesting peacefully, that would be all right. but what has happened here is everything is now morphed into a mob-like situation where there's robbing there's stealing, there's looting. and if we don't wamp it, there's going to be -- watch it, there's going to be some lives lost as a result of this, unfortunately. so what is needed right now is the leadership of the states, of pennsylvania, missouri, michigan. they need to come in, and they need to come in with strong

force. this is the only thing that's going to quell this down. we are now into a mob situation where the mob has taken over the city, the citieses of this country, the mobs are now controlling. and, again, this is not in the name of george floyd as to what happened in minnesota. that's off the book. -- out of the book. they're using that as a vehicle, and that's very troubling. ed: ted williams, we certainly appreciate your insight. of course, former d.c. homicide detective. and, sandra, this scene is far from over. you can still see people on the streets. sandra: i want to give a little bit more color from our fox affiliate on the ground in philadelphia. as we all just saw together, the philadelphia fire department did arrive on the scene there. 52nd and arch street is where you saw that line of police vehicles and, again, these are live images right now on the ground there where you saw those vehicles being torn apart, set

on fire, literally being destroyed before our eyes. we're going to continue to watch these live images on the ground there in philadelphia while we bring in mark meredith. he is live at the white house. we obviously just saw the president tweeting about the situation that we're all watching there on the ground in philadelphia. mark? >> reporter: sandra, i don't think any of us are going to forget these pictures. as you mentioned, president trump does a appear to be watching the coverage live as he's been tweeting about what's going on on the ground there in philadelphia. the president has been tweeting quite a bit today indicating that he still wants to see antifa, antifascists labeled as a terrorist organization, bill barr putting out a statement saying that the fbi and the joint terrorism task force are working to identify the criminal organizers and instigators in this and working to coordinate both state and local resources together. these pictures are certainly going to hit home here at the white house where the president -- i want to mention, we were not expecting to see

president trump on camera today. they didn't indicate any additional news was going to be happening. that happened fairly early in the day. the president tweeting, and he did comment on the civil unrest yesterday while he was in florida saying he wanted people to have the right to assemble but that he did not believe that any sort of this violence or this little would be tolerated. and, again, as we're watching these pictures lye out of philadelphia -- live out of philadelphia, you have to imagine the white house is now scrambling to figure out exactly how to address this. it's not just happening here, but in so many other cities. we've reached out to the white house to get a better idea, has he spoken to any of the governors on the ground in these states. the president was rebuked by house speaker nancy pelosi earlier today saying that the president needed to strike a more unified tone. it'll be interesting to see if the president has any response to the speaker. we, as i mentioned, did hear from the attorney general saying it is time to stop watching the violence and to confront and stop it, the continued

disruption of property interferes with the right of peaceful protesters as well as other citizens. sandra, as you know and i think we talked about earlier today, the department of justice, of course, also investigating what happened with george with floyd, looking into the civil rights case in addition to the criminal case that's happening on the ground in minnesota. but again, these pictures really just heartbreaking outside the city of brotherly love, sandra. i don't think i'll ever forget standing on the white house lawn and seeing what we're watching right now. sandra: and our affiliate there in philadelphia, our fox affiliate gave this statement of emergency declaration for all businesses to shut down and be closed immediately in this emergency action in order to fully enforce the city's curfew if which was originally set at 8:00, it has now been moved up to 6 p.m. so the cur few will be in effect 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. in that city. we're going to continue watching these live pictures on the

ground there in philadelphia. mark meredith at the white house, thank you. ed? ed: thanks, sandra. you can see what appears to be looting. people just walking into this bargain store and walking out with their hands full. so we go from seeing a police vehicle engulfed in flames to now people running in and occupant of the store even as they're shutting businesses down to try and prevent what we are seeing play out live here on the fox news channel. let's bring in, as we discuss this, phil wegmann, white house and political reporter at real clear politics. phil, good afternoon. >> thank you for having me. ed: pretty remarkable to see this playing out live before our eyes. it's going on for several days now, phil. there had been some hope there'd be a pause, maybe things would calm down in cities like philadelphia. instead you can see the commander in chief is watching as we are watching, phil. this is not slowing down at all. >> these images are going to be seared into the minds of voters

everywhere as they're glued to their television screen. this is not just a threat to society, this violent rioting is also undermining president trump's promise in 2016 that he was going to be the law and order candidate. i think that that's why he's been aegressive in his response so far. earlier today he was talking about designating antifa as a terrorist investigation, and his attorney general with put out a warning if you cross state lines to incite violence, that's a federal crime. but other than the tweets today the white house has been mostly silent. and, frankly, the address at nasa yesterday while, you know, a unity message, he did not have the intended effect. ed: phil, i want to push you on that point though and this whole question. we saw it playing out with covid-19, and obviously you can see there's now a helicopter, it's a police helicopters i can see now on the tail, that is hovering over the scene. it is playing out live,

obviously, or on cable television, and it's playing out in real life for people in philadelphia. and now a police helicopter is hovering over as they try to get control of this situation. but, phil, we saw with the covid-19 situation the push and pull between where the federal government needs to step n where state and local governments should be whether it's ramping up testing or now dealing with the violence. you mentioned the attorney yesterday, he's now put out a new statement this afternoon that in part says, quote, it is time to stop watching the violence and to confront and stop it. he sees, being the attorney general, phil, seems to be saying that it's governors and mayors who need to get control of their states and cities. your thoughts. >> very true. i think that this is a test of federalism at the moment when we are not only dealing with the pandemic, the unemployment crisis, but now this violent rioting. it has been a question of who needs to respond at what time. and if, by the way, this is coming at a moment when a lot of

americans don't have faith in their institutions. someone needs to get control. and, you know, we've seen president trump offer the national guard repeatedly to these governors and these mayors. the question is going to be come november are voters going to blame their local elected officials who are closest to this violent rioting or assign blame somewhere else. ed: okay. i totally understand. you can see there's a police officer who appears to have some sort of a compress, a bandage on the back of his head. obviously, we don't know what led to that, don't want to speculate. you can see the police in philadelphia dealing with this. what we're seeing playing out now with these police vehicles and now at least one officer hurt is in west philadelphia. that's outside of the closure point. so when we were noting a moment ago about parts of the city of

philadelphia being closed, that was about center city which our viewers will understand which is, obviously, a very historic, famous part of philadelphia. as i say that, what's playing out in west philadelphia, you saw a second officer being attended to in some way with his face. we can't see exactly what's happening. the very first one there, the back of his head, he has been getting help from some of his comrades to make sure that he's okay as well. so, sandra -- and, by the way, phil wegmann, thank you very much for being hered to. we obviously want to stick with this breaking news as much as what we want to talk about what the president is up to. sandra: yeah. ed: sandra, this is a receiving, obviously, the president is pressing these local and state officials to do more to stop it. sandra: as we noted a short time ago, the president had tweeted out law and order in philadelphia now. he just put out another tweet

minutes ago saying get tough, democrat mayors and governors. these people are anarchists, call in our national guard now, the president is writing. the world is watching and laughing at you and sleepy joe. this is what america wants? no, with multiple exclamation markingses. so the president is actively -- marks. so the president is actively tweeting while this is going on and, ed, the violence continues there in the street. you look at the windshield of these police vehicles. as we noted, there was no one in these vehicles, they were then being run and slammed into one another on the streets in philadelphia where the unrest continues. ed: it's heartbreaking to watch. as you say, sandra, some major american cities have been under siege, it's continuing. it's also heartbreaking to watch various law enforcement officers now sustaining injuries. here in new york city last night and the night before when you saw these pictures emerging on social media and elsewhere of police officers in new york city bleeding from the face, knocked

around. now we saw at least two police officers with smaller wounds, to be clear, but also dealing with some kinds of injury. so, look, we're going the talk about property, we're going to talk about looting. we're seeing some of that play out before our eyes with these stores. but obviously, sandra, the human cost in what we've seen of that security officer out in oakland who was killed in the last today or so. and that leading officials to say this is domestic terror, call it what it is. it is just heartbreaking to watch, sandra. sandra: yeah. i'm looking at our local affiliate there who, obviously, there's news helicopters up in the air along with the police helicopters, we continue to get these images on the ground there ahead of the curfew that is happening at 6:00 there in philadelphia, will last til 6 a.m. you think about so many of these businesses that can't even defend their store shops. and our local affiliate saying

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some of the violence we've been seeing, some of the peaceful protests that are going on in the wake of the death of george floyd in cities like miami. sandra: and now we head to philadelphia where we just saw the live scene of destroyed police cars there. some, one in particular, vehicle going up in flames. you're looking at a live picture now of, obviously, these -- the looting that continues on the streets there. we're taking in these images together, ed, ask if reporting exactly what we are seeing. and all this is days after the death of george floyd. we saw some protests peacefully happening throughout the country, but then some obviously turning quite violent and what we are seeing play out in philadelphia is really something at this hour. ed: absolutely. you put it in the perfect context which is we were showing images around the country, and there are some cities at this hour we're seeing live where

people are doing what they should be doing in a situation like this, peacefully protesting, education pressing -- expressing their opinions. and then you're seeing out what is playing out in philadelphia which is clearly looting on that drugstore, big crowd forming outside. people go inside, then they come out with handfuls, armfuls of merchandise. just to the north of that truck store there are -- drugstore there also a discount store that earlier we were showing live. and, sandra, there were people doing the same thing. they'd walk inside, then they come out with a big stack of paper towels, a bag of this, bag of that. there's clearly still looting happening in cities like philadelphia even as we see other cities where there are peaceful protests at this hour. sandra: as of this afternoon, ed, of the more than 200 arrests that have been reported by police, as of, you know, the last hour or so 138ing of them

there -- 138 of them were for curfew violations, 8 people arrested for theft or assault on a police officer. there were 3 firearm violations, but the latest update on the ground there in philadelphia is that 13 police officers were injured and 200 arrested. and, ed, as we were taking in those live images of the police cars getting rammed by some of those protesters and rioters on the ground in philadelphia, we were saying we didn't see the police presence, but then we did see the philadelphia fire department did move in. we saw that s.w.a.t. car descend on the area. so we're all just trying to get a sense of what we're seeing on the ground -- ed: yeah. and remember how it started. as we started this broadcast a short time ago, we were getting reports of some kind of a fire outside a mcdonald's in philadelphia, and we didn't want

to blow it out of proportion. next thing you know, a small fire outside mcdonald's expands to various violent protesters taking over police vehicles, pouring lighter fluid on them. there was one cruiser on fire, then an suv on fire. you mentioned the fire department finally responded to that. but here we are now live and this situation is not over, it's expanding. looting is going on before our eyes, and you do not see a single police officer from philadelphia doing anything, sandra, to stop it. sandra: uh-huh. the president tweeting: get tough, democrat mayors and governors, these people are anarchists. the people is live tweeting the situation as we see this play out. about calling up the guard. and i'm reading it directly from our reporter, lucas tomlinson at the pentagon. minnesota going back to the situation in minneapolis, the minnesota national guard, the

major general there on a conference call with reporters, the activation came at the request of minnesota governor tim walz, that's a fact. that's an update on the situation there. when you look at what is happening in philadelphia, obviously, you have a is situation playing out that does render stepping up. the president sending out in a tweet law and order now in philadelphia. so the big question is what is next, what further actions are they going to be able to take to bring law and order to the streets of philadelphia, ed. ed: absolutely. and i believe we still have ted williams, retired d.c. homicide detective. ted, are you there? >> yes, i absolutely am still here. ed: ted, want you to join our conversation again because, you know, when you see this play out live, there is a man, a woman or a family that owns that drugstore on the corner that people are looting right now. and that family was probably or hard hit by covid-19.

and the fact that there were lockdowns in places like philadelphia. they're trying to get back on their feet, ted, and two things are happening; people are looting the pharmacy, number one, and number two, it does not appear at least from these pictures that the police are doing anything to stop it. your thoughts. >> well, you know, that's the $64,000 question right now, why hasn't law enforcement moved in. i happen to believe that they're somewhere engaged with their supervisors and at some stage they're going to swarm into that area. but that doesn't help that mom and pop store owner right who has perhaps lost everything. and it's not going to help the people of that community who needs to shop at that mom and pop store. you got people that are out in the street who are acting like thugs, and somebody needs to bring 'em under control. i am happy that they moved the curfew up to 6:00 there in

philadelphia. and at 6:00 they need to be ready meaning the guard, state and local police officers. they need to be able to move in and move in fast at 6:00. and anybody, anybody that's on the street that shouldn't be there as a result of this curfew, they need to lock 'em up, lock 'em up right away. this is just so troubling. i've been to that area of philadelphia. and when i see what's going on where a law enforcement automobile being used as a projectile, as a missile, unmanned, to be sent down a hill into other cars, this is saying that you have no respect whatsoever for life. and as a result of that, you need to be treated ace cordingly. and when i look occupant there in the streets -- out there in the streets i can tell you, you don't see large mobs of people,

you see rabble-rousers, people who are creating and causing problems in that neighborhood. and they don't give a damn about george floyd and what happened in minnesota. that's not part of their process. they're here to create as much havoc as they can. and under that spanish, they need to be -- under that circumstance, they need to be dealt with and dealt with forcefully. sandra: ted, i'm reading from one of the reporters for our fox affiliate who is watching all of this along with us, our viewers, taking in what's happening on the streets there in philly. south 52nd street from where police are protecting other businesses, the sunray drugstore at the corner at which we were all viewing a momenting ago where you saw looters ultimately breaking through the windows and doors there, they all ran in while you were talking, ted, and have since run back out carrying bags. that was 52nd and walnut in

philadelphia. so many of us are just taking in these pictures and thinking how can this be happening, ted. and how do you restore order? how do you get e a calm back to it, bring calm back to a city following violent protests that we're seeing expect riots and the looting on the ground there, the smacker of police cars, ted -- smashing of police cars, ted? >> we cannot allow this to continue in philadelphia because i'm telling you that if other major metropolitan is cities, they have television. they are watching fox news x they are seeing what they can do in a sense of out there in the streets. i'm happy and elated that when we showed austin, texas, the when we showed miami, that they're trying to peacefully demonstrate. and they have a right to peacefully demonstrate. nobody's trying to deny that right. but what we now see in philadelphia is mob action.

crowds going in looting, stealing, taking stuff. and so what's got to happen there is i anticipate as we speak the philadelphia police department along with the governor and state of pennsylvania is getting together, hopefully, to try to take back the streets. they have to take back the streets. we cannot allow in america for this type of anarchy to continue in the name of george floyd which is really unfortunate because that's what they're using as a vehicle. when, in fact, george floyd and the death of george floyd has nothing to do about this looting and stealing. ed: right. >> you go into a store and you steal a it's, what in the -- a it's, what in the hell does that are to do with george floyd? ed: right. it's george floyd who died last monday in minneapolis and, obviously, that's something we've all been watching very

closely as we've seen what started as peaceful fro tests now -- protests. you see a split scene on the left of philadelphia where it's been anything but orderly over the last hour or so you've seen live. but on the right side of your screen, let's be clear, in austin, texas, there are a lot of people amassing there for what appear to be peaceful protests. we're not seeing looting there, we're not seeing violence. so you're seeing a split screen america where different parts it's more orderly, it's more peaceful and other parts it's anything but. i also want to add this, tedding we've got some breaking news from governor doocy in arizona, he has issued a statewide declaration of emergency in arizona, a curfew is being put in place starting at 8 p.m. tonight in arizona, and it's not just for tonight, it is going to be for one week. so take that in, ted, that this is happening, obviously, coast to coast. part of my question might be

there was a curfew in minneapolis over the last couple of nights, and people didn't obey it. and so a cur is one thing -- curfew is one thing, what about actual enforcement? >> well, i think you just said it. you cannot put a cur i few in -- curfew in place in any of these major metropolitan cities and not enforce it. and it appears that is what was going on last night. i kept wondering, i kept saying when is the cur i few going to come into play as i watched last night, and it just seems as though people didn't regard it. i think what is needed is not only to have this 8:00 cur furyk but to move that cur few up to daylight. that curfew should go in place in daylight. and i say that simply because the night is the enemy of law enforcement trying to do their job in these major metropolitan cities. because what we are finding, and i am happy that the protest is

going well in austin, texas. i'm happy that it's going well in miami. but those are protesters. what we also have and there's a dichotomy between a protester and an agitator. we've got a lot of people who are ready and waiting in austin, perhaps, and in miami, perhaps, to take over those marches and to wreak as much havoc as we have seen in the is city of philadelphia right now. so i'm hoping these curfews, again, will go into place earlier. i think it would help law enforcement. and i do believe that you're going to find that some statements here, they're going to take back the streets of philadelphia. this is not going to continue there. sandra: ted, i wonder if i could ask you about some of the words we heard from the minnesota attorney general with chris wallace on "fox news sunday" today. keith ellison. he said violence is a negative thing, obviously, condemning the

actions by so many who have been rioting and looting on the streets of our american cities. but he said you have to try the look at the roots of rage. could you expand on that, perhaps, and how so many in the wake of the rioting expect looting that we've seen in some of these cities is distracting, essentially, from the peaceful protests and the alarms that are being raised over what we saw happen to george floyd. >> well, you know, i think it is no doubt about it that racism exists in america. and i think that, yes, we have to look at the root of what is causing or creating or continuing violation of racism in this country. but we cannot do that to or tomorrow. that has to be done and dealt with over a period of time. what we have to deal with now is what we are dealing with here

and now. and what we are dealing with here and now an anarchy. and any of our metropolitan cities around this country. so while attorney general ellison may very well be on target and maybe social scientists need to study with that more and deal with that accordingly over a period of time, right now, today, in philadelphia as we speak that city is being destroyed. and so that's what we have to deal with, the here and now of what is going on in our cities and especially as we look and see what's going on in philadelphia. because i'm telling you, we're looking at philadelphia right now, but we have other major metropolitan cities that we have people and that are waiting for the cover of darkness to get into those metropolitan cities and reek havoc. we saw the fires last night in new york. we saw the fires in other

metropolitan cities. we saw it, and that has to be brought under control. and the only way you're going to bring it under control, i believe, is with a strong curfew. and anybody that violates that curfew has to go to jail. ed: ted, you're making a very important point about the fact that a lot of the violence we saw last night was happening under the cover of darkness in cities like new york. now it's pretty frightening that some of the violence is playing out in philadelphia, looting, in daylight even before the curfew is imposed. to be clear now, we have pictures live on the screen miami on the left where things appear to be peaceful, austin, texas, on the right. but, ted, we noted that the president has been tweeting this live, what was happening on the ground in philadelphia with the lao looting, with the police vehicles that were set on fire.

you're calling that anarchy you said a moment ago, cities like philadelphia are being destroy. there is this push and pull between a democratic mayor, democratic governor there in philadelphia, pennsylvania, and a republican president. what would be your advice to this president about how to constructively deal with this? should he be taking up the phone and pressing the governor to do more? what more can be done by our leaders to bring this to a peaceful conclusion? >> well, i think -- and i didn't want to go into this, but i'm going here. i think, first of all, the president of the united states should hold a speech and speak to the nation. and he shouldn't speak to them about republicans and democrats. we are all americans, and we are all americans right now under siege by people who want to troy america. to destroy america. so let's get away from this crap about what a democrat doing and

what a republican is doing. that is not what we are as americans. we need to take back our cities and our towns it is as americans -- towns as americans, not as party affiliate. i'm sick and tired of this stuff. that's part of politics. i won't really go too deep in there. but i know that americans see the cities and the country of which i love, that these american cities are burning. and i don't think that the people who are burning them are republican or democrat. there are human beings out there who are doing bad acts, and ask we need somebody, we need our president, we need him to be a leader. we need him to speak to this country and to speak to this country as a whole and get away from this crap of republicans and democrats and try to bring us together. because this is a time period where there are people who are trying to divide us as a country out in the street.

and we've got to come together in order to save the united states of america as we know it. sandra: there was, ultimately, you can see austin, texas, on the right side of your screen there. the austin police department said there was initially reports that some of these demonstrations were canceled. they made clear in a tweet that was not the case. in fact, they're pointing to the hundreds of people that you can see collecting in the downtown austin area. the police are saying more are on the way, and they are now advising local ares there to avoid i-35. and, in fact, saying stay off all major roadways, it is unsafe to be on a high-speed roadway at this time. but to that point, it's just the hundreds of people that are collecting there. still peaceful protests happening on the ground in austin. we have former nypd detective darren porcher. thanks so much for your time.

i was just talking about austin, texas. peaceful protests continue there. we're looking live at philadelphia where we saw complete unrest on the ground there moments ago. we saw police vehicles getting destroyed, empty, getting pushed down the street, lit on fire. we actively saw the looting of a drugstore on the corner of one of the streets in philadelphia. your thoughts as we look at all this and watch this together. >> i'm terrified that this is -- [inaudible] we live in a democratic society and aial contract of -- this is being fractured as a a result. it's an unfortunate situation that occurred in minneapolis, minnesota, and my heart goes out to the family of the victim. but we are far better than that. when we look in terms of the fortifications that should be introduced in this particular

situation, we have many police departments as we're looking at austin and philadelphia that have the sort of control strategies. one of the things is providing that fortification. we need to protect the is citizens that are protesting but at the same token we also need to protect the business owners that have their property being destroy by the rioters' behavior. is so police right now, it appears we're kind of like -- i don't want to say an impasse, but you see a line of police personnel on one side, and you see the public on the other. i can tell you what's happening that you don't see, this is a back channel of negotiations that's occurring between police, elected officials and community leaders. because they're looking at the people who live in these communities, do not want to be the recipients of violence and riotous behavior in their neighborhoods, and they're feverishly working to bring this

to a close. we have this stance that's consistent on rioters behavior and police looking to oppose or pent a level of omni presence in the protection of a lot of the major landmarks a in a lot of these major cities impacted by this. ed: darren, you're obviously -- sandra: that's okay. go ahead, ed. ed: sandra was about to note the philadelphia police department appears to be dealing with protesters on the streets there. we were in a different block a moment ago where we saw the looting, and i wonder, darren, from your experience, you know, just a couple weeks back because of covid-19, we had heard reports that the nypd had lost something in the neighborhood of 0% of their force had tested positive for covid-19. there were a lot of people out sick, dealing with that. you wonder about police departments like philly that are

being taxed and stretched thin right now dealing -- right there you see the blue line dealing with protesters in that pick -- picture while around the corner or so there are police vehicles on fire, businesses being looted. these law enforcement folks are being stretched thin right now. >> stretched thin is an understatement. you mentioned 10%, it was actually 20% of the nypd that tested positive in the wake of the covid-19 pandemic. this is reflective of all police departments. and resources are really thin. finish one of the things that police departments have had a major outcry for was the pp persian. when we think in the wake of the social distancing, you've seen no social distancing here whatsoever. police department members or uniformed police officers want to have their ppe when they're dealing with the violent people, i should say the violent people

that are introducing riotous behavior. the majority of these people are peaceful protesters, but it goes back to how can you with, how can you allow yourself the necessary resources to combat something like this. and it's an a arduous task. a lot of these police departments, in essence, are building a plane as they learn how to flight because the resources need to get to the front line. and it goes back to whether it's riot gear or just water for that matter. how do you get this stuff to the front line. i've come to many of these riot riots -- and it was of major importance that we had a supply chain that allowed us to get the resources necessary to the front line. and based on the covid-19 pandemic, this has truly been strained. so my hat goes after to these

officers that are on the front line, but i general wently -- generally believe this is not going to go on past 48-72 hours past and that's when we're going to see a level of calm because those back channel communications are in check, and it's just a matter of time until the community leaders will step in. we have a lot ofding the level l disruption. these are people that really care nothing about a lot of these people are paid, certain groups such as antifa to come and create a level of disturbance, so to speak. and eventually what the police department is going to do they're going to scout out who these agitators are, and they're going to remove them by -- when e say a wasteful nation, this is the putting together of a group

of officers and you shape some sort of a triangle. what you do, you barragal hi move into the crowd, you extract that agitator and you remove them from the crowd and place thirnld arrest. it takes a lot of the wind out of the sails of the additional agitators on the scene. so this is a constant process. it goes back to, as you mentioned, the resources. this is clearly an effect. the however, it's just a matter of time, like i said, i give it 2, 3 days absolute max, and the community leaders are going to -- a lot of these agitators. and that's what we need, a symbiotic relationship between the police and the community. they want community members out this protest oring -- sandra: okay. >> and assist the police. sandra: we really appreciate your input, former nypd detective darren porcher, appreciate you coming on as we continue to look at these live

images from philadelphia where you can see those peaceful protesters in this portion of philadelphia lining up face to face with those police officers on the ground there. let's bring in senator marsha blackburn from tennessee. senator, this portion of philadelphia you can see the peaceful protests that are happening. moments ago we all watched together protests, rioting, looting. quite a violent scene in one area of philadelphia. while we continue to see unrest across the nation, some peaceful protesting still happening like we saw in austin, texas. but some of those peaceful protests in recent days and evenings we have seen turn violent. your thoughts. >> oh, it is heartbreaking to see this. and, sandra, as your previous guest was just saying, the department of justice, your state bureaus of investigation, they're going to figure out who is behind all of this. and as i was listening to that interview, i was thinking

there's been a lot said about contact tracing to do with coronavirus. and contact tracers being hired. let me tell you something, that is nothing compared to the contact tracing that is going to take place with all of these riots. these people tried to go out the last couple of nights and burn down america. and i will tell you law enforcement is going to figure out who organized it, who has put this money behind it to give these antipa that members what they -- antifa members what they need. to if you've been on social media and you've been saying i know friends that went to the protest, i know friends that went to the riots, you're probably going to get a knock on your door from the fbi or the, in tennessee the the tbi, and they're going to want to know what you know.

sandra: wow. so we are, we are listening to this together, senator -- >> yeah. sandra: you see the scene there in philadelphia, trying to get an idea of what the chants there on the ground. as you look on at miami, florida, you can see the peaceful protesters there as they march through the streets. >> right. sandra: and -- >> and, you know, sandra -- sandra: -- getting moved up. >> right. i think it's important to note peaceful protest is appropriate. that is something that we cherish, the right to petition our government, having that opportunity for peaceful protest. and, but this violence, these riots, this is no way to honor the memory of george floyd. these are riots that are being organized, and they're taking place across the country. these are people trying to burn down the country.

and to incite civil unrest. and i feel so deeply for individuals that live in these communities that have been impacted. you look at what has transpired in nashville last night with the fires at the metro courthouse and then going down -- [inaudible] 30 businesses that were destroyed. these are people's livelihoods x. it is absolutely heartbreaking to me. ed: senator black burn, you just mentioned what was playing out in nashville. we've been showing philadelphia. we have some breaking news now from myrtle beach, south carolina. our chief white house correspondent john roberts is reporting that the a mayor there has declared a civil emergency after a what they're describing as a credible threat against the myrtle beach police department. basically there are three busloads of protesters, we're told, on their way to the city to, they say, they use the word protest in front of the police headquarters. we saw what happened to at least

one or more police headquarters in a minneapolis area. so they're now declaring a civil emergency. so, senator, i want to add that to what you were saying a moment ago, that some of these folks were trying to burn down the country. when you go through city after city where this is happening -- >> right. ed: -- has it reached the level n your opinion, that the president does need to give an oval office address or something like that since this is not just happening in one city and maybe it's time to pause and hear from him directly? enter yeah. and i think you're right, i think it is time for the president to address the country. there are an awful lot of security moms across the country, and i've heard from so many, i've heard from dozens of them in the past two days, and they are fearful. they don't know exactly what to do. they have handled covid, and now they're handling this. they have tremendous concerns. and what we know is this: that

thin blue line is what so often stands between chaos and calm. we are seeing these cities, these mayors -- philadelphia, different area, all these big city mayor withs, they're going to have to get a handle on this. and now you're talking about myrtle beach, you're talking about nashville, you're talking about other cities across the country. so you know this has to be something that is an orchestrated effort, that it's not a fully organic e effort. and to me, it is absolutely heartbreaking. this is something that the national guard, the mayors are going to have to work with their governors, get the national guard out. doj is going to have to do the investigation. those of us at senate judiciary and department of homeland security, we're going to have to get in behind this also, figure out what exactly happened and figure out what these law

enforcement entities need that they are not getting in order to be prepared for this. sandra: right. >> that's just part of this. it's a discussion for a later date. sandra: senator, the president just put out another tweet a moment ago. he retweeted video that so many of us, unfortunately, have had to see by now of a man in that's who was trying -- in dallas who was trying to protect his business. he was struck by looters, violently assaulted, stomped -- it is on video. the president retweeted it and said, so terrible, in capital letters. where are the arrests and long-term jail sentences? the president tweeted several times as we've been watching the violence and the unrest in philadelphia, he was tweeting while we saw those police vehicles overtaken by rioters there and smashed together. to go back to ed's question though about the president addressing the nation and what

needs to be done to answer the question that we're all wondering as americans, we're watching this together, are we doing enough? are we speak out enough? are we taking enough action? >> at this point, i don't think we are taking enough action. and this is where these mayors are going to have to step up working with their local leaders and begin to get their arms around this and provide -- everybody wants to have peace. they want to see justice. they want to be able to trust their institutions. but, sandra, until you calm these situations town and stop the riots -- down and stop the riots and get this looting and rioting -- which is lawlessness. we are a nation of laws. we do not live in lawlessness, and this has got to come to an end. absolutely. and it is going to take -- we talk a lot about, you know,

having partnerships in government, local, state and federal level partnerships, and this is one of those areas where you're going to have to see this happen. and it has got to happen quickly, very quickly to stop the destruction of these cities and of these communities and help people get back to the point that they can put their head on the bill pillow at night and go to sleep and know they're not going to be in the middle of some sort of riot taking place in their neighborhood. sandra: senator marsha blackburn, as we continue to $s.