was a surprise scratch bef openr because of a calf achilles injury. and it's not clear whether he'll be available on sunday for the 40 niners against the vikings. mccaffrey ruled inactive about an hour before kickoff. he obviously wanted to play. if it was a playoff game, he probably would have gone. but the niners are taking a cautious approach. they need last year's offensive player of the year to

be healthy for the long haul. niners coach kyle shanahan revealing today that the achilles is actually more of a concern than the calf. >> you know, it's not just the calf. it's the achilles. and, you know, the achilles tendinitis. that stuff comes and goes when it is acting up. it's something you got to be very careful about. christian's very diligent about that stuff. if it was a playoff game, you know, he made it very clear to me he believed he could go week one. and especially when you're dealing with the lower extremities like that, it was a tough decision. but hearing all the words and stuff in the long run, it made it easy. >> there's been some controversy about exactly when the niners really knew jordan mason was going to start this game, but the undrafted free agent out of georgia tech ran for 147 yards on 28 carries, easily the biggest game of his three year career. he's like a sledgehammer once he gets going downhill, mason and his hard work really impressed teammates. >> to see him over the last two years, you know, just push the envelope more and more every year and then get an opp, you know, this year at camp and do well with it. and obviously in

the first game of the season he did great with it. so really, really excited for him. he's earned it, man. he's the kind of guy that was not given to him. and so, to see him go out and do what he did tonight man i'm so happy for him. and i know he's going to keep pushing like 147 yards. >> that's not bad for your first career start in the nfl. so happy for him. and hopefully we can just keep, you know rolling on that train. >> i told christian i said i don't know how you do it man. it's a long game. but you know this is just the beginning. and, you know, we're going to see where we go from here. just keep doing me running hard and just don't try to be like nobody else. >> on to baseball. brewers and giants. little sparky's got the best view in the park. mike yastrzemski got a pretty good view of a fastball down the middle. crushes it to the arcade in right in the sixth. his 14th. giants down three two. bottom line tyler fitzgerald tying and winning runs on base. and this is giants baseball 20-24. devin williams strikes him out. ball game giants lose three two. a's and astros from houston. oh that's big gulp there. top 12 three two a's nick allen exsqueeze me. it works. daz

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thank you. my fellow americans, i'm jimmy kimmel, i'm the host short. thank you for joining us after the debate. all eyes from sea to shining sea were on the city of brotherly love tonight for the debate of the decade. vice president kamala harris versus former president donald trump. it was like watching the lorax debate the grinch tonight. [ laughter ] usually when donald trump gets a spanking like this from a woman, it's with a "forbes" magazine. [ cheers and applause ] [ laughter ] kamala was pushing his buttons like a 12-year-old playing "fortnite." [ laughter ] it was -- oh, this was a much better debate than the last debate. this is like "the lion king" when simba came back to avenge mufasa. think urged him to be happy trump instead of mean, bully trump, and please focus on the issues. of course, he didn't listen to 8 of that at all. who are we kidding?

this election isn't about the issues. dick cheney isn't voting for kamala harris because he agrees with her on the issues, he's voting for her because there's a rhinoceros charging, and she has the tranquilizer gun. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] there is, i mean -- so much insanity coming out of this republican campaign. this is what trump was focused on this afternoon. and the day of the debate, he's posting cat memes. [ laughter ] i mean, do you think he even knows these are a.i.? "oh, my god, these cats are carrying weapons." [ laughter ] these memes are part of what might be the dumbest republican lie yet, the story that haitian immigrants in springfield, ohio, are eating the cats in the neighborhood. [ laughter ] this is what they're spreading around. ted cruz posted," please vote for trump so haitian immigrants don't eat us." [ laughter ] one of trump's delegates posted this image of him rescuing cats.

[ laughter ] i can buy trump grab two pussies at once, i just -- [ rim shot ] [ laugh thor and applause ] i just can't imagine him running. [ laughter ] it isn't just random maga nuts and sweaty teddy doing that. j.d. vance is the main source of this nonsense. he's been talking about this in speeches, posting about this as much as he can. the city of springfield in his state, ohio, says there have gone no credible reports of haitians eating pets. but j.d. vance, who wants to be vice president of the united states, keeps bringing it up. >> cnn asked vance's office why he is pushing such a blatant lie. they said senator vance has received a high volume of calls and emails over the past several weeks from concerned citizens in springfield. his tweet is based on what he is hearing from them. >> jimmy: oh, he's getting calls. i didn't know he was getting calls. now it makes sense. [ laughter ] i guess all you have to do to get j.d. vance to start

spreading crazy things around is make calls. this, by the way, is the direct line to his office. [ laughter ] 202-224-3353. [ cheers and applause ] whatever you do, do not call that number to tell j.d. vance that rainbow sprinkles at baskin-robbins turned your kids gay, okay? [ laughter ] please, do not distract the senator with this kind of silliness. he has haitian cat-eaters to stop. [ laughter ] i have to believe that during the debate prep, the one thing donald trump's handlers begged him not to mention was this thing about haitians eating pets. "please, mr. president, stick to the economy and the border, anything other than ohio haitians eating pets." so what does he do? he waddles right out there and says this. >> in springfield, they're eating the dogs. the people that came in, they're eating the cats.

they're eating -- they're eating the pets of the people that live there. >> jimmy: here's what i'd like you to do right now. close your eyes. i want you to imagine we'd never heard of donald trump before, and the first time you've ever seen him was during tonight's debate. what would your reaction be right now? [ laughter ] you'd be in shock. the republican party would have to close their headquarters and turn them into a spirit halloween store. [ laughter ] >> you bring up springfield, ohio. and abc news did reach out to the city manager there. he told us there have been no credible reports of specific claims of pets being harmed, injured, or abused by individuals within the immigrant community -- >> i've seen people on television -- >> let me just say here -- >> the people on television say, my dog was taken and used for food. so maybe he said that, maybe that's a good thing to say for a city manager. >> i'm not taking this from television, i'm taking it from the city manager -- >> my dog was eaten by the people that went there. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: he sees people on

television. so you know what else he sees on television? he sees steve harvey, he sees families having feuds. [ laughter ] "these feuds would never happen if i was president, that i can tell you." [ laughter ] the other stupid and racist thing trump keeps doing is intentionally mispronouncing kamala's name. sometimes come-la, sometimes camel-la, sometimes both. ♪ i say camel-la, you saw kama-la. camel-la, kama-la, let's call the whole thing off. thank you, thank you. thank you, thank you. thank you, thank you. thank you, thank you. thank you, thank you. [ applause ] >> jimmy: you're welcome, you're welcome, you're welcome. how is it possible that half of this country thinks it's a good idea to give the guy who tried to overthrow our government another chance to run our government?

if someone poisoned all the jalapeno poppers at tgi fridays, you wouldn't interview him to be the chef. would you? >> guillermo: no, never, never. >> jimmy: you wouldn't. kamala at one point brought up project 2025, which is a plan trump's minions cooked up to give trump unprecedented power over our government. trump claims he knows nothing about this and that he hasn't even read it -- which i believe the not reading it part. [ laughter ] that i do. not knowing anything about it, there seems to be so many things trump claims he knows nothing about. >> let me ask you about project 2025. you've publicly said that you don't have any direct connection to -- >> nothing. i know nothing about it. i know nothing about project 25. i know nothing about qanon. i know nothing about it. i know nothing about the indictment. i know nothing about wikileaks. i have no idea who these women. i don't know anything about russia. i don't know putin. rfk, i don't know anything about him. i know nothing about white supremacists. i don't know who the proud boys are. i don't know anything about david duke. i know nothing about hitler.

i don't know anything about it. i know nothing about it. i don't know anything about it. i don't know anything about it. i didn't know knowing about it. i don't know anything about it. i don't know who little john is. >> he was on "the apprentice." >> i don't [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> jimmy: nothing, doesn't ring a bell? there's so much he doesn't know. another other tiny hand, there's even more that he does know. >> i know more about isis than the generals do. i know more about weapons than just about anybody. i know more about steelworkers than anybody. i know more about drones than anybody. i know more bo. >> politics than anybody. i know more about technology than anybody. i know more about ethanol than anybody. i know more about wind than you do. nobody knows consultants better than me. nobody knows more about trade than me. nobody knows the system better than me. nobody knows the banking intry better than me. nobody knows more about environmental impact statements than me. nobody knows it better than me. nobody knows it better than me. nobody knows it better than me. nobody knows it better than me.

i know this menu better than you do. all right? i probably know it better than anybody. [ applause ] >> jimmy: there he goes. abraham "burger" lincoln strikes again. oh, what a mess. oh, what a job he did tonight. joe biden's going to be so happy when he wakes up tomorrow and watches this. [ laughter ] we have a great post-debate show for you tonight. we've assembled some of the most important voices in american politics, and joining us now with their thoughts and analyses of tonight's debate, please welcome our bipartisan panel, california governor gavin newsom -- [ cheers and applause ] my pillow ceo mike lindell -- [ cheers and applause ] and the republican candidate for vice president, ohio senator j.d. vance. [ cheers and applause ] we are so blessed to have you here tonight. thank you for being here. governor newsom, we'll start with you. how well do you think vice president harris handled her opponent's repeated attacks on her administration's record? >> one word.

she totally freaking slayed it, homedog. [ laughter ] i mean -- my girl was poised. articulate. and laid out a bitching vision for the future of this bitching nation. [ laughter ] she knocked it out of the skate park, bro! [ laughter ] hey, garcon, can i get a refill on this? >> jimmy: he's not a waiter, governor, that's the -- never mind. >> honk, honk, whoa, everything this guy said is wrong. wolf action don't listen to this -- >> jimmy: i'm not wolf blitzer, i'm jimmy -- >> come on, with the beard and anything, come on, wolf. this patchy beard guy? the clear winner tonight was our one true president, donald "joey stone" trump. he was smart, he was lucid as a goose-id, he did everything just like we prehearsed. >> jimmy: wait, you're saying you helped donald trump prepare fo >> does a labradoodle's penis

beet red? well, is it? >> i don't know, my doodle transitioned, and we support them. [ laughter ] we should all remember to get our pets spayed, neutered and gender reassigned. >> jimmy: governor, that aside -- wait a minute, mike, is you helped the former president prepare for the debate? >> hell, yes, i did. i helped him by dressing up like malala harris. i got pretty good at impersonating her too. look at me, i'm kamala-la harris, i'm married to barack obama obamer, i find everything so hilarious, ha ha ha, ho ho ho! >> jimmy: you know kamala harris isn't married to barack obama, right? >> since when? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: since, i don't know, always? barack is married to michelle obama. >> oh. well, if kama sutra ain't married to obama, who the hell is this woman over here? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: this is not a woman, this is j.d. vance. >> she's got a lot of eyeliner

for a fella. [ laughter and applause ] anyone ever tell you you look a bit like that vanessa hudgens? >> ha ha ha! constantly, and i'm starting to get po'd about it. >> jimmy: j.d. is donald trump's running mate, please. >> whoosh, braaah, holy hock tooha. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: senator vance, i'd love to get your take. do you think your running mate, donald trump, scored points with his messaging on inflation tonight? >> thanks wolf. to my fellow normal americans, it is my honor and privilege to be here tonight. and on behalf of my wife, u sha, who i assure you exists, and the children, i believe there are -- two -- welcome. >> who -- who -- who is usha? >> usha is my wife. >> usha mac gusha, can you believe this here, governor newton, usha? >> i believe usha is hindi for "unsatisfied woman."

[ laughter ] [ applause ] >> jimmy: gentlemen, the question is for senator vance. and i asked about inflation. >> and i will answer that question. look, when daddy said tonight twhrks he looked san francisco liberal kamala harris in the eye, it took away my breath. which i breathe in a completely normal way. only through the mouth, never the nose. allow me to demonstrate. ahh! ahh! >> jimmy: i'm sorry, senator vance, i don't mean to interrupt your breathing but did you just call donald trump daddy? >> yes. it is not weird at all. i call all strong american men who inspire me daddy. the same way i call grandfathers and grandmothers poo-paws and mamaws. is that weird? is it weird to say tonight when daddy trump talked about those sweet little kittens being eaten by hungry, hungry haitians, well -- it brought a tear to smoky, smoky eye.

[ laughter ] >> i mean, that is a little weird. >> whoa, that's weird. that's weirder than when my dog constituter and i lost the fergus falls kissing contest. should have been a lock, wolf. >> jimmy: former president trump did have strong words about vice president harris' record on immigration -- >> beetlejuice, beetlejuice, beetlejuice! he here did it work? >> jimmy: it didn't work. i don't know what you're doing. >> well, the sequels are tough. anyway. my point is this. we got to re-elect donald j. trump so he can stop the communist drag queens from coming over the border, taking black jobs away from puerto ricans, and eating our kitty cats. >> donald trump will make sure that no one ever eats cats in america again. or my name is not jeffrey dahmer vance. >> hey, hey, no one is eating cats, jeff. that was a hoax. >> oh, was that a hoax? who's the hoax?

well, then where, where did this come from? >> jimmy: that's actually a good question, where did that come from? >> postmates. >> jimmy: oh. >> i think that cats is delicious, here, give me a paw. give me a little snatch of the claws. >> i believe that every culture should be free to decide which pets they eat, you know? the peruvians eat ham tear. >> i wouldn't even chew it. i'd just swallow it down like a snake. >> holy hell a transfer don't even return my calls anymore and then he picks this [ bleep ] for vp? sure, he's gorgeous. he really is gorgeous, like he been carved out of marbles by the sweet lord jesus himself. he's got eyes like a chinese pandy bear. i hate him, i hate him! >> wait, bros, vibe check. if you don't mind, i'm going to burn a little incense to align

our chakras. >> whoa, incest, can i get a hit of that? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: no, no -- >> i also enjoy masculine aromas, may i sniff that with my mouth? >> jimmy: guys -- >> you get a better high if you put a belt around your neck. >> jimmy: oh, no, no, no -- >> promo code "choking belt" for 10% off a genuine choking belt for around your neck. >> i also have a product out i'd like to promote for daddy trump. it's an nft. it is daddy trump as batman. breast feeding me as robin. >> what? that's not how you suckle donald trump. i ought to smack his teat right out of your mouth. >> you'll never get me to unlatch, you crack monkey. >> crack monkey? >> bros, bros, let's sound wave it out. [ bell tone ] >> there's only one way to settle this that's a pillow fight. >> jimmy: okay, well -- >> arrghh! >> jimmy: i'd like to thank our distinguished panel for their

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hollywood, california. tomorrow night we'll be joined by dave bautista and james adomianian who played mike lindell for us. we'll have music from midland, too, so please join us for that. our next guest as legend, two-time oscar winner, and champion of human rights. please say hello to the one and only jane fonda. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> guess what? >> jimmy: what? >> i've got big news. >> jimmy: what happened? >> taylor swift just endorse d kamala! [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: that's true. that really happened. i think you look great. >> oh, thanks, so do you. >> jimmy: you look unbelievable. [ cheers and applause ] >> thank you. 87. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: 87. wow. >> you know, i mean -- anybody can be young. only the lucky get to be old.

>> jimmy: that's true. that is very true. >> yes. >> jimmy: i know that going into tonight's debate, you were a big donald trump supporter. did kamala do anything to change your mind tonight? >> i think she probably changed a number of minds. >> you think so? >> yeah, i do. i think she did really well in the debate. there's no question. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: do you believe that -- >> but -- >> jimmy: -- there is a significant number -- there's a significant number of americans who really went into tonight's debate not knowing who one they would vote for? >> can you believe that? >> jimmy: i don't, i really don't. >> i wreally don't. >> jimmy: you've found six people who haven't decided yet. [ laughter ] >> from what i read, there are people who hadn't made up their minds because they didn't know enough about her. and i think tonight, she -- we saw someone that has empathy, who cares about ordinary americans, who talks about kitchen sink issues. >> jimmy: well, what --

[ applause ] >> i think she did well. >> jimmy: okay, fair. that's very fair. but what about the pets there are being eaten in springfield, ohio? [ laughter ] >> oh. >> jimmy: what's she going to do about that? >> i understand that totally. why trump hired bobby kennedy. he eats dead wild animals. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: oh, that's right. maybe it's him. >> yes. of course. >> jimmy: maybe rfk has been eating the pets in the naked. >> all about going around to a lot of those wonderful states like ohio and eating people's animals and blaming it on immigrants. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: i love this conspiracy theory. >> yes, totally. >> jimmy: if you were a republican, this would be all over fox news right now. [ laughter ] have you met the vice president? >> yes. we both spoke at the afl-cio a couple of years ago. and i met her, and i liked her very much. >> jimmy: have you met donald trump? >> i have. >> jimmy: uh-huh? [ laughter ] >> i was married to ted turner, and he was married to marla

maples. >> jimmy: marla maples, yeah. >> he owned the plaza hotel at that time, and i was doing something, an interview or something. he came and -- and talked to me. he promised he'd do something for an organization in georgia that i started. because he wanted to build a trump hotel in atlanta. >> jimmy: uh-huh? >> and i said, well, if you come there, would you help me with this organization that helps teenagers? and he promised he would. >> jimmy: and? >> nothing. >> jimmy: nothing. [ laughter ] >> nothing. you know what i did not -- what i didn't like about the debate is that it took an hour and a half to ask a question about climate. [ applause ] >> jimmy: that is, i know, your primary concern. >> well, it -- >> jimmy: a very valid concern. >> it should be all of our primary concerns. we are facing an historic catastrophe. >> jimmy: you know, i have to tell you, the thing that i think really puzzled me the most is that this is not something that's going -- i mean, of course disproportionately, it

will affect people who don't have money. but this is going to affect everybody. this is not something that anyone can dodge. >> yeah. >> jimmy: this is something that rich people, their grandkids, don't they care about, that this is something that we all should be focused on, absolutely. >> and here is the problem. so many elected officials -- democrats as well as republicans -- take money from the fossil fuel industry, and now it's going to be the nuclear industry, and so they won't vote for the kind of policy and legislation that science says we have to have quickly. and while i don't, you know -- look. here's what i want to say to all of you. when we vote for a president, we're not marrying them. we're not even making out with them. we're not dating them. they're not perfect. everybody's got issues, including presidential candidates. here's the thing. we cannot afford to lose four more years to the climate crisis. [ applause ] we have one ticket --

man represents drill, baby, drill. and it's really serious, guys. it's not -- it's not rhetoric, it's not -- it's true. it's happening. >> jimmy: what is the name of your pac? >> the jane fonda climate pac. you can do something -- you can support us. janepac.com. >> jimmy: janepac.com. >> what we do is -- i just want to finish what i was to say. >> jimmy: yeah, go ahead. >> when you vote, whether you're republican or democrat, vote with climate in your heart. vote for the candidate that will help create a liveable future for your children and grandchildren and nieces and nephews. [ applause ] because the other guy's going to burn us down. >> jimmy: jane fonda is with us. we'll be right back with more. . on the fortunes of jimmy kimmel >> lou: portions of “jimmy kimmel live” are brought to you by ufc 306 at riyadh season noche ufc live this saturday on espn+ pay-per-view.

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>> jimmy: yes. >> and i'm going to go. >> jimmy: i think we might go. >> maybe we'll be in the same cell. >> jimmy: that would be fun, i would do that. >> except he's not going to get elected, so we don't have to worry. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: well, we do have to worry a little bit, because you -- president nixon actually had you arrested, right? for nothing. >> arrested? he broke in -- well, he didn't. broke into my house, broke into my bank accounts, taped my phone, opened my mail. he was really something. but trump is much more dangerous. >> jimmy: do you think so? interesting. >> yeah. >> jimmy: even though this man -- i mean, what, they arrested you, they said -- they took some vitamins you had when you were traveling and claimed they were drugs or something like that? >> yeah. >> jimmy: yeah, was that terrifying for you? >> no. >> jimmy: it wasn't? [ laughter ] >> no. >> jimmy: why not? >> i don't know. [ laughter ] i don't get scared by things like that. >> jimmy: is that true? never? you don't get -- things like that? there aren't things like that, that never happens in america.

i mean, other than to you with president nixon, right? >> yeah, you know -- all of us have probably seen documentaries about really brave people, you know, and they're standing up to dogs and hoses and things and you say -- you wonder, could i be that brave? under those circumstances? have any of you ever done -- yeah. well, this is our documentary moment, guys. >> jimmy: yeah. [ cheers and applause ] >> we have to be brave now. so that we're -- one day, we'll be the ancestors, and we want the young ones to look back and say, we almost lost it, and they fought, our grandmothers and great grandmothers and grandpas, they fought for us and they won, and now we have a planet we can live on. that's what we have to do, guys. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: well, and yes, i don't disagree with any of that. but i am afraid of dogs and hoses. [ laughter ] i don't want to go to jail. i certainly --

>> i don't either, but i mean, i'd rather -- you know, i am way older than you. and when you get to be my age, you think a lot about dieing. >> jimmy: uh-huh? >> you think about how you want to feel. you know, you see yourself on your deathbed and you want to have people around you who love you, which means you have to earn love during the time that you're alive. i'm working on that. [ laughter ] and i know that at the end, i want to feel that i've made a difference. and that my kids know that i fought for them. >> jimmy: yeah. >> and so -- if i have to choose between that and going to jail, i'd go to jail in order to have them know that i did right for them at the end. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: you know what, that's great. >> but also, i have to say, if you're famous and white, they treat you differently in jail. >> jimmy: oh, good, good. [ laughter ] >> i can't pretend that it's the same for everybody. >> jimmy: okay. so that's good news for me. i mean, you know. [ laughter ] >> yeah. >> jimmy: yeah. i'm going to be okay.

guillermo, you're going to have some problems. [ laughter ] >> guillermo: yeah. i'm going to be [ bleep ]ed. >> jimmy: okay. but don't worry, i'll keep you very close by my side. >> guillermo: thank you, thank you. >> jimmy: he told me he's coming with me if i go to jail. >> yeah, guillermo. >> jimmy: i do want to say, thank you for all this great stuff you're doing. it really is a remarkable thing that you do. [ cheers and applause ] you speak so well. you care so much. and thank you very much. jane fonda, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] please donate to jane pac. be right back with george conway! .

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>> thank you. >> jimmy: yes, you look good. how are you? >> exactly like you. >> jimmy: thank you. what'd you think of the debate tonight? >> that was just a beat-down of the sort that i don't think i've ever seen in a presidential debate or any debate. i mean, it was just brutal. >> jimmy: i'm glad you said that. i haven't -- we came right on, we did the show, i haven't had a chance to watch everybody's reaction. but my reaction was, oh, man, that was bad for donald trump. >> oh, it was bad. she was perfect. pitch-perfect. i mean, she handled him -- [ cheers and applause ] everything. everything from the moment she walked on stage and basically went right up to him -- >> jimmy: i was hoping she would do that. >> right? not afraid of him. and -- >> jimmy: shook his hand. >> and he was like -- [ laughter ] and then -- you know, i mean, she had to -- you know. [ laughter ] you know. and then she -- she kept looking at him the whole time. like, you know, are you okay? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: yeah. it was like -- >> you know, and then there was the what the [ bleep ] did he

say? [ laughter ] >> jimmy: yeah, there were a couple of moments that -- >> the looks were great, and he would not look at her. and it's like -- it was a total power play on him. >> jimmy: interesting. yeah. and he self-destructed in so many ways. you've been in many of his debates because, as i mentioned, you were married to kellyanne conway, who was his cam page manager. >> i learned a lot from those debates. i did not learn that he was such an expert in fertilization. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: he is. >> i'm not sure i wanted to know that. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: not just when it comes to human embryos. you put him in the yard, he can make anything grow. [ laughter ] >> uh. yeah, i saw a few debates. >> jimmy: the last time you were here, you called him a narcissist stick sociopath. is that correct? >> yes. >> jimmy: you've since amended that to psychopath? >> well -- he's a narcissistic sociopath. he's a psychopath. he's a malignant narcissist. all these. it's like a venn diagram, right? [ laughter ] remember those in school? all of those circles conf s

coinc coincide. donald trump's in the middle of all of them. it's really not that hard. you've got a bunch of psychologists and psychiatrists together to talk about the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath, you could have a three-day conference and nobody would agree. it doesn't matter. the guy's a nutjob. [ laughter ] >> jimmy: you named your political action committee psych past. >> psychopath, because he's psycho, right? i mean, you know. the front page of our website says, "the one thing we know about donald trump is that he's effing nuts." it's like, you know -- it's the simplest point that people have had trouble in the media, just can't get its hands around, won't talk about, because they're afraid of talking about mental health. this isn't about people being depressed and having a bad day. this guy is a whackadoodle. [ laughter and applause ] you heard him tonight. you heard him tonight. cats being eat no one ohio.

>> jimmy: yes. >> hey, yeah, right? i mean, who -- he's saying that his crowds are bigger. he said his crowds a week ago when. >> jimmy: really got independent the skin with the crowds. >> it was great. he's saying those are artificially intelligence generated crowds. 80,000 people. cameras, they all saw these things. >> jimmy: do you think he believes that stuff? >> it doesn't -- you know, it actually doesn't matter. if he believes it, he's frickin' nuts. [ laughter ] if he believes that other people are going to believe it, he's frickin' nuts. okay? not even his own people believe it anymore. >> jimmy: when you and kellyanne split up, he actually -- there was a tender moment. he tweeted this. "congratulations to kellyanne conway on her divorce from her wacko husband, mr. kellyanne conway. free at last, she has finally gotten rid of the disgusting albatross around her neck. she's a great person, now be free to lead the kind of life she deserves, and it will be a

great life without the extremely unattractive loser by her side." [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> it was past his jail time. you didn't see -- did you see my response? >> jimmy: what was your response? >> my response was, "hi, donald, nice to see you, looking forward to seeing you at e. jean carroll's trial next month." >> jimmy: oh, yeah, yeah. [ cheers and applause ] >> that was 83.3 million on that one. >> jimmy: you spent the money that is contributed to your pac on billboards, on commercials. you p commercials on fox news. and that's really -- because then -- that's where he sees them. that's what really upsets him. >> he sits in his underwear tweeting and watching. we know that. that's what he did four years at the white house. >> jimmy: you say that as a person who was party to his campaign manager, to his right-hand person. >> she was very good at manipulating him. he's very easy to mipt, okay? that's part of my political action committee, that's what they are trying to do before

this debate. but you can't control him. and it's great. if you're on the other side and the harris campaign has been doing a great job of it is manipulating him. putting up these signs in philadelphia. it's like, you manipulate him. then it becomes the other side's problem to control him. they say, "donald, don't talk about cats being eaten." what does he do? cau talks about cats being eaten. >> jimmy: he's like a 6-year-old. it really is unbelievable. [ laughter ] >> you know, actually, it's funny. somebody tweeted tonight during the debate that, you know -- they had discussion about late-term abortion and post-birth abortion. it's like, well, kamala harris aborted a 78-year-old tonight. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> jimmy: you -- >> so donald trump did have a point there. >> jimmy: speaking with jane fonda about trump and his enemies list. i feel that you're probably above me on that list. >> it's quite possible. >> jimmy: yeah. >> i was hoping we'd, you know,

maybe bunk together. >> jimmy: well, you know what, i'm going to be with jane in a cell. [ laughter ] but, you know, yeah. >> isn't she a little over you? >> jimmy: no. >> he's right. >> jimmy: no, she's not. >> she's amazing. >> jimmy: yeah, on a serious note, do you have any concern? because yeah, okay, maybe it sounds a little bit outlandish. but it sounded outlandish, he's not going to leave the white house, he's going to stay in there. then he actually did that thing. >> right yeah. >> jimmy: these things that sound fantastic turn out to be what actually happens. >> because he is a narcissistic sociopath, and he doesn't believe in anybody other than himself. he doesn't believe in the country. he doesn't believe in any of you. he doesn't believe in the rule of law. he doesn't believe in the constitution that he would swear to uphold. and he -- it's all about his aggrandizement and putting himself first. and revenge. and that's what narcissistic

sociopaths -- they seek revenge, and they're obsessed with revenge, they're obsessed with control, they're obsessed with destroying their enemies. and that's -- donald trump, when he becomes president, if he were to become president again, he would -- his view is the government's mine, the law is mine, everything -- i'm going to do to everyone else what they would do to me, but i'm smarter than them, i'm going to do it first, and i'll throw everybody in jail. it's for real. i mean, it's not -- this isn't just him blowing smoke. this is deeply ingrained in his [ bleep ]ed up head. [ laughter ] no seriously. and you ask any -- i've been talking to psychologists and chriss for years about this. and they kind of are muted because there's this thing called the goldwater rule, they're not supposed to assess anybody from afar, even though you can see this guy, there's more evidence about think this guy than you could ever, ever collect on any other patient in the world. and, you know, they all agree. he's nuts.

he's absolutely a sick man. he's, you know -- even if you took the characteristics like -- you did the -- this bit five years ago when, before i even went on television about the narcissistic personality disorder. and there's also antisocial personality disorder, which is about sociopathy. even if you don't accept that there's a medical diagnosis there to be had, because i'm not a doctor, you're not a doctor -- you don't want anybody with those characteristics -- and he ticks off every single frickin' one of them -- you don't want anybody with even half those characteristics to have any control over your life. [ cheers and applause ] >> jimmy: george conway, everybody. you can read george in "the atlantic." he's at a podcast, he's got the whole thing. >> and i've got a pac. >> jimmy: a pac too. >> psychopath 24. >> jimmy: we'll be back with good neighbours. . >> the ship isea