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captioning sponsored by cbs an n president trump enjoyed a rare saturday night out, traveling to madison square garden to take in some mixed martial arts with his own squad of supporters. new yorkers gave him a mixed welcome to the big apple, but it was still a warmer reception than on capitol hill, where momentum is gaining in the impeachment inquiry. 13 administration officials have testified behind closed doors so far, their testimony further clarifying the whistleblower's claim that the president and his administration withheld military aid to ukraine in an effort to
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force them to investigate political rival joe biden and his son hunter. >> you don't need a quid pro quo. you just need the quid, and the quid was there. >> brennan: democrats say that's an abuse of power that could grow into a case of obstruction of justice. not so says president trump. >> the leadership, they have no clue. they're just very officials people. actually, they're sort of mentally violent people. but we've got itelps when you dt do anything wrong. >> brennan: we'll talk with two top house leaders, majority leader steny hoyer and minority leader kevin mccarthy. plus we'll ask california democrat jackie speier what's next in the impeachment inquiry. then with exactly one year until election day 2020, we'll check in with cbs political correspondent ed o'keefe from first stop on the primary parade. >> i'm all in in iowa. i'm all in.
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>> brennan: but there has been movement in the field in both iowa and beyond. >> i'm not saying it is a two-way. >> you think it's coming into focus, you and warren. >> i'm certainly aware we're getting somewhere. is that where it's coming down to the two of us? >> brennan: senator elizabeth warren is creeping up on former vice president joe biden nationally and making headlines with her plan the pay for medicare for all. >> it's unreal, the numbers. it's a very difficult way to get there, what she's talking about. >> brennan: plus the washington nationals celebrate the city's first world series win in 95 years. all of that plus analysis on the news of the week is just ahead on "face the nation." >> brennan: good morning and welcome to "face the nation." this week the weirdness in washington continues as october wrapped up and november arrived
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and with it more political sparring over the impeachment inquiry, plus new questions prompted by testimony behind closed doors. after weeks of speaker nancy pelosi refusing to hold a vote in the house to open a formal impeachment inquiry, she changed course, and the house voted to do just that. >> on this vote the yeas are 232. the nays are 196. >> brennan: the vote took away a key republican talking point for defending the president, that the democratic-led investigation was invalid without being sanctioned by a majority of the house. now they're crying foul about the rules of the roadmap for the investigation. >> when you look at this soviet-style process, it shows you that they don't really want to get to the truth. they want to remove a sitting president. >> brennan: senate majority leader mitch mcconnell summed up the rules for impeachment as: >> no due process now, maybe some later, but only if we feel
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like it. >> brennan: but hide closed doors, more damaging information about president trump's push to get staff to investigate the bidens. alexander vindman, a decorated iraq war hero testified that he was so alarmed by the content of the july 25th call between president trump and ukrainian president zelensky that he reported his concerns to a top white house lawyer. that attorney, john eisenberg, ordered that the call record be transferred to a secure server and told vindman not to discuss it with anyone outside the white house. national security council staffer tim morrison said that although he didn't find anything in the president's telephone conversation illegal, he was content to report it to that same white house attorney. starting tomorrow it's expected that hundreds of pages of material from 70 hours of depositions will be released ahead of open impeachment
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hearings. the committees are still hoping to hear from some key members of the administration before they start, including former national security adviser john bolton. republicans say they want to call their own witnesses, possibly former vice president biden's son hunter. but with just two months left before the democrats self-imposed deadline to wrap things up before 2020, time is of the essence. >> when do public hearings start? >> they will be soon. [laughter] >> could you be vaguer? >> brennan: today we hope to answer some of those questions about what's ahead for the impeachment process. we begin this morning with someone who was right at the president's side last night, house minority leader kevin mccarthy. he joins us from new york. i imagine you enjoyed the fight last night. >> it was a good fight. those are some amazing athletes. hat u think the strategyt's wha
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is to counter what could be some damaging detail in these published testimonies we expect to be made public this week. >> well, the people deserve to know the facts, the truth, and accountability. here we are and the speaker of the house finally admitted she was wrong, there is no too process. what we voted on thursday is not due process. there is no transparency. think about what's happening. with we had that voted on thursday. four days later, the democrats are right back at it in the basement of the capital having four more depositions secret that the public can't see, but now with that vote, they even have more control. they now made the intel committee the impeachment committee. they now control even further about which republicans can even ask questions. they made adam schiff not only a fact witness, but he's the judge, the jury, and the prosecutor. that is unheard of. and if you take what nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house
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said just last march, that impeachment is so divisive to this nation, unless it is more compelling and overwhelming and bipartisan, we should not go forward. thursday's vote, the only bipartisan vote was not to move forward. never in our history has we ever proved through such a partisan impeachment movement. this is unheard of, and what they're trying to do, remember, what is today, november 3rd. we are exactly one year away from americans going to the polls to vote for the president. they're trying the change the outcome of 2016 and influence the next one. >> brennan: well, republicans will be able to ask questions of witnesses and call their own. who is it in the public hearings that republicans want the hear from? >> well, margaret, that's not true. if you read what the resolution says, now adam schiff controls the time, and new they have written it -- >> brennan: democrats are in
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the majority. that's the way being in the majority works. isn't that what you would do? >> no, that is not what i would do. that is not what we did when we moved for impeachment with clinton. that's not what democrats did when they proved with impeachment for nixon. they actually had witnesses. adam schiff has the four dell devin nunes, the ranking member, that he cannot have any other member on that committee have time to ask questions. in every committee today, it doesn't mattered what tissue, is you can use your -- yield your time to another individual, but not now. will the public be able to see what's inside these four new seek ratted depositions in the basement? no. 75%, three-quarters of the entire congress cannot be included. >> brennan: so who is it that you want to see? that was the question i asked. >> well, i think the very first person, we should bring adam schiff and his staff. he's the only individual in america -- >> >> brennan: for a public hearing? you want to question the chairman of the house intelligence committee? >> yes, i would, because he's
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the only person who knows who this whistleblower is. he refers to himself as a ken starr. how many times did he meet with the whistleblower? what did he talk to the whistleblower about? because when the whistleblower even went to the inspector general, he never mentioned that he went with adam schiff. remember what we're talking about today, margaret, the removal of the president of the united states. this should not be taken lightly. we should have all the facts. the public deserves the facts, not something that's leaked. we're three weeks since the very first hearing inside there, the deposition. we still do not have the transcripts. you have members of congress who just voted to justify what has already happened without ever reading one word of what's goine on. that's wrong. we need accountable. >> brennan: for the record, the attorney for the whistleblower says his client has not met with adam schiff. a member of the committee did talk to the whistleblower about
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procedural matters, but i spoke to the whistleblower's attorney just last night mark zaid, and he told me an offer has been made, and this is new, to republicans to answer questions directly put to the whistleblower by republicans, not going through the democratic-controlled committee, but to answer them in writing under oath under penalty of perjury. what is your response to that offer? >> well, margaret, i have never received that offer, and i'm the lead republican -- >> it was submitted to devin nunes, the ranking member on house intelligence? >> when was it submitted to him? >> brennan: last night. >> devin had not told me prior to that. well, devin is in california. so we'll see about that. but first of all, we're talking about the removal of the united states. the speaker of the house said in march it has to be so compelling, so overwhelming and bipartisan. i think the whistleblower should come forward in an open hearing
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and also bring the six people that he talks aut i his complaint th said tr i ael nnan: sould yas leader -- >> we have more knowledge than the wiftd consistent. >> brennan: as leader, though, are you just completely turning down the opportunities to submit questions in writing? for you that is not sufficient? everybodshould know and haveat accounteddability, you're talking about the removal of the president. we watched adam schiff lie to the american public that he did not know who the whistleblower was. >> brennan: so you are open to it? i'm just not clear on that? to the first offer of answering questions through writing, but own questions directly, are you open to that, because that would bypass adam schiff? >> let me be very clear, margaret: what i'm open to, when you're talking about the removal of the president of the united states, undoing democracy, undoing what the american public had voted for, i think thatal se
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thett couom down to the basement. but he needs to answer the questions. we need an openness that people understand it. remember what you're asking. you're going to change the course, the very fabric of democracy today based upon someone wrote a written question of somebody that wasn't even on the phone call that is hearsay, even though we all know what the transcript said. >> brennan: well, mike pence would become president, it wouldn't undo the result. if the president were removed, mike pence would become president. >> margaret, you're really saying today on national television if somebody who was not on the phone call thahave te phone call, no big deal, just remove the president of the united states over a phone call? >> brennan: new york i'm just saying that it wouldn't undo thement it would put the vice president in the commander-in-chief spot. >> no, president trump was dual elected as the president of the united states, and i think democracy is too precious to think that somebody who is not on a phone call, that cannot stand before the american public
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and answer the questions that somehow we would change the course of that and we're one year away from today. what are they so afraid of. what do they have to hide? why wouldn't they release one item? if you were a jury member, you have to look at all the information. you don't get to t prosecutor to give you one line from an opening statement. you get cross-examination. you get a dew point. none of that is happening here today. we have never gone down this in america. and we should stand up and not allow this ever to happen. >> brennan: all right. well, we have some questions you just laid out there to put to majority leader steny hoyer. thank you for joining us there goodr marthy thiis justholesai say, we lawyers have a statement that when you have the facts, you found the law you need to have the facts and the law on the table. what you just heard from my
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friend the minority leader was pounding on the table. he talks about the whistleblower. the whistleblower said, look, i heard something. then people investigated what he heard. and the problem that kevin has and the republicans have is witness after witness after witness says, yes, i was, there i listened, those are the facts. that's what's critical in any trial. you wouldn't call the whistleblower. what you call is the people who were actually there, which is what adam schiff has done. acting as an investigator. and in the investigations both nixon and clinton, you had a special prosecutor. they investigated. they investigated confidentially. and republicans said that was the right thing to do. now we have passed a resolution that says, we're going to move to a public hearing, where all the transcripts, all the depositions are going to be made known to the president and to the members of congress. >> brennan: when do public hearings begin? >> i think relatively soon?
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>> brennan: what does that mean? that sounds a lot like what we heard speaker pelosi say, which is pretty vague. you only have eight days before thanksgiving. >> brennan: no, we have -- time is not constraining us. the truth and the facts are constraining us. we are going to move as soon as the facts and the truth dictate that we have, which means that when adam schiff is determined that he is through what he needs to have in terms of testimony and evidence, he will then pursuant to the resolution submitted to the judiciary committee and the judiciary committee will proceed in a manner giving the rights to the president and to the republicans that exceed frankly the rights that were available to the minority in the clinton. we were in the minority. and to the republicans. >> brennan: so do you expect all the public hearings to be wrapped up margaret, you asked a question i don't know the answer to, because i don't know what
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witnesses are going to come four ward, what they're going to say, what evidence will have to be pursued by not only the intel committee, but then by the judiciary committee, which has jurisdiction. >> brennan: right. >> you know, kev season correct. this is a very serious matter. i think all the american people understand. we did not rush to this judgment. as a matter of fact, this went on for over a year, and both the speaker and i said, no, we're not. there we're looking at the facts. we're committing oversight, which is our responsibility under the constitution. >> brennan: my question on timing here also has to do with the fact that what we saw in the vote was not a single public vote for it. why not take your time? i know it's just a resolution. >> more than that, i thi -repube for it because mr. mccarthy told them, and i have talked to some of them, this is a procedural vote. it was not. it was a substantive vote toards
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going to be held. >> brennan: so is it still important for you to have this be a bipartisan vote, when articles of impeachment are put forward. do you expect to peel away a few republicans? >> i think every member of congress, republican or democrat, ought to vote not their party, not their partnership, but the constitution and the protection of the constitution. if they believe, and this is the answer they have to come to grips work because 80% of the american people hits the it was wrong for the president of the united states to be withholding dollars, appropriated by the congress, for ukraine east defense and in effect saying, you can't get a meeting with me in the white house unless you undertake an investigation. 80% of the american people think that was wrong. >> brennan: but this may hurt democrats to have this be perceived to be partisan fully. if you go into -- if the house goes ahead with the impeachment and the republicans, as you know, control the senate, it's unlikely that you're going to get 20 senators to vote to
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actually convict the president on this. so does this ultimately become a political albatross for democrats who are trying to rub in 2020, because they couldn't deliver on that? >> margaret, this is not a calculation about whether this is good for us politically or bad for us politically. >> brennan: but it will have political ramifications. >> it may well have, but we have a duty. we have a duty to the crown try, to the american people, and to the constitution of the united states. and if we find after the judiciary committee considers all the evidence that there is reason to believe probable cause, we lawyers would say, that the president of the united states has committed a high crime and misdemeanor -- now high crime, according to hamilton, is an abuse of power, not a crime as we generally think of it, but an abuse of power. 80% of the american people think the president should not have been involving a head of a foreign government in our elections. >> brennan: it ultimately comes down to whatever congress decides it is. but i want to quickly ask you,
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took a lot of the country, this just looks like political fighting. and it doesn't look like anything is getting done here in washington. can you actually do things like the free trade deal or actually get legislation through, or is impeachment just sucking up all the oxygen and getting -- >> we passed over 400 bills. >> brennan: i see your listall >> youee list and you're smiling. isn't that what you asked me? we have passed a lot of substantive legislation, major reform bills, trying to make our streets safer from gun violence, trying to make sure that women are safer on the streets, making sure that we have equal pay. we raised wage, we protect preexisting conditions. all of those are big issues. >> brennan: okay. >> we have passed them. they sit, ironically, in the body that the republicans control. >> brennan: in the senate. >> and they accuse us of not doing anything while they hold 400 bills that aren't being
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♪ >> brennan: we turn now to campaign 2020 and iowa where democratic presidential candidates were in full form this weekend. cbs news political correspondent ed o'keefe has been out there with them in des moines. ed, i know it's chilly out there. but you have seen some recent polling from iowa, such a key state, that is showing mayor pete buttigieg moving up and he apparently think it's a two-person race between him and senator elizabeth warren. is that realistic? is that what you're hearing? >> well, look. if you look at the polling that's out, especially this morning across the country, it is different than what's going on here in iowa, in part because iowa is getting far more attention from candidates and they're thinking differently about this race.
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buttigieg is surging in part because he's now spending all this money that he raised over the summer on advertising on staffing that is helping him get the support he needs. as for former vice president joe biden, who is according to the polling slipping a bit, his team isn't quite worried just yet. they point out a $4 million ad campaign break and enter gone just this weekend. he raised $5.3 million online last month, his best monthly haul yet, and they know there is now a super pac out there set to begin advertising on his behalf. we have seen other candidates have to recalibrate in recent days, kamala harris is putting all of he resources here into iowa hoping to finish in the top three. we talked to her yesterday about that. and her plans for somehow winning here in the hawkeye state. >> i'm all in in iowa. in. >> your team vowed in the last month that you would finish in the top three in this state. is that still the goal? >> we are going to end up in iowa doing very well. >> but does it have to be a top-three finish? >> i think it has to be exactly
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what we want it to be. which is... >> that would be a victory then, right? >> listen, we're going to do well in iowa, and i'm sure of that. >> there were curious comments by mayor pete buttigieg. he's trying to suggest this is becoming a two-person race between him and senator warren. >> well, i think that's naive for him to think that at this point, but the state of this has been determined, look at history. he might need to review past elections to know what's happening right now is not necessarily determinative of the outcome. >> brennan: that's ed o'keefe in iowa. thank you. you can see his full interview with senator harris on cbsnews.com and on our digital network, cbsn. we'll be right back in a moment. (burke) at farmers insurance, we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. even a- (ernie) lost rubber duckie? (burke) you mean this one? (ernie) rubber duckie!
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james: week nine in the nfl. boomer: and there is brissett brifment. he and the colts are at the steelers. he has 14 touchdowns only three interceptions as the replacement to andrew luck. nate: there is mason, the replacement rudolph. he has proven that pittsburgh is still alive in the steel city. bill: there is ryan tannehill. he has replaced mariota

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