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♪ ♪ ♪ good morning. i'm jane pauley and this is "sunday morning." the first official sunday of summer. it's hard to believe but a quarter of a century has passed since a television series called "the sopranos" about a suburban new jersey crime boss, his overbearing mother and his psychiatrist first hit the airwaves. the show was an instant hit. for the next eight years helped revolutionize the way television is made. and as anthony mason will tell us, it's turned its mostly unknown actors into stars. ♪ ♪
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>> it changed a lot of people's lives. >> i think all of ours. in all kinds of ways. >> reporter: cast members and the creator of "the sopranos." >> i have never been able to figure out whether it's a comedy. i guess it's like life. i hope. >> reporter: mark the 25th anniversary of the show's debut. >> this is really good. >> yeah. >> they are not going to pick it up. >> i didn't realize he was so unhappy. >> reporter: ahead on "sunday morning." as second gentleman of the united states, doug emhoff, husband of vice president kamala harris, is the first of his kind. but as he tells rita braver, he doesn't mind playing second fiddle. >> the office of the second gentleman. >> thank you. >> reporter: whether it's in his office or anywhere else -- >> i was a business lawyer so long. >> reporter: doug emhoff, the first male to be married to a vice president, wants to make
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one thing hclear. are you also an advisor to your wife? >> no. i'm just there to support her, to be there for her. >> reporter: coming up on "sunday morning," the second gentleman. ater jude law has been an actor nearly three decades now and he's got the major roles and the oscar, golden globe and tony nominations to prove it. this morning he will talk with our lee cowan. >> reporter: movies have taken jude law around the world. it was here in manhattan that a first step on broadway stamped his passport as a professional actor. >> i had been to new york, i visited. to live here, work here was life changing in every way. >> reporter: his memories, his movies -- >> you have to have their head cut off. >> reporter: and the madness of henry viii later on "sunday morning."
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jude law has some stellar company this morning. actor june squibb will be telling mo rocca about making her leading lady debut at the age of 94. a father and son who were once at odds show martha teichner how a mutual love of food sweetened their relationship. seth doane introduces us to a group of israelis and palestinians who were once enemies and are now working to understand each other using empathy instead of weapons. we also remember actor donald sutherland and "the satanic versus" the great willie mays and more. it's a sunday morning for june 23rd, 2024, and we'll be right back. ♪ ♪
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a quarter century has passed since we first met tony soprano. the new jersey crime boss dealing with family dysfunction at home and at work. the groundbreaking hbo series "the sopranos" would eventually claim a record 21 emmy awards. anthony mason takes us to a "sopranos" family reunion. >> reporter: has it been a while since you been back here? >> yeah, 17 years. >> reporter: david chase's drama about a mob family headquartered
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in a new jersey strip club would change television. all year creator and cast have been celebrating the debut of "the sopranos" a quarter century ago. >> i had a lot of friends auditioning for this things called "sopranos." i thought it was about singers. you want to be in my tv she to? i said, yeah, no thanks. >> like a series on hbo was kind of like the bargain basement. i am not being facetious. >> reporter: chase had offered it to all of the broadcast networks. >> what did they say to you? >> too dark. >> reporter: but it could darkly funny, too. >> you are not going to believe this. they killed 16 czechoslovakias. guy was an interior decorator. >> his house looked like [ bleep ]. >> i never figured out whether it's a comedy. i guess it's like life. i hope. >> reporter: it started as a show about a mob boss with a troublesome mom.
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>> all i know is daughters are better at taking care of their mothers than sons. >> that was my apartment. >> reporter: chase, who grew up in suburban new jersey, based her on his own mother. why did you want to put her with a gangster? >> i believed if my mother had been a male, she might have been a criminal. >> hey, ma -- >> nancy marchand just brought it to life. >> i wish the lord would take me now. >> well, in the meantime -- >> reporter: tormented, tony soprano is driven to see a therapist, lorraine bracco as dr. melfi. >> mr. soprano? >> yeah. >> based tony's mother on your mother and the therapist on your therapist? >> i think i was probably trying to re-mother myself. >> reporter: interesting. >> i was looking for a woman of my mother's age who wouldn't behave like a maniac. >> reporter: that's what tony turned into? >> yeah. yeah. >> reporter: but chase also saw
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"the sopranos" as a parable of america in decline. >> at that time in america, there was so much consumption, it was enough to make a mob boss sick. >> reporter: the late james gandolfini played tony as an endearing anti-hero. >> he is incredible. the whole thing was about his face and his eyes, actually. something about his eyes that was other-worldly. >> this has pulp- >> you like it with pulp. >> not this much. >> reporter: edie falco played tony's wife, carmela. >> there is such a great dynamic between the two in the show? >> yeah. it's a matter of alchemy. we both had italian families, had some idea of what this dynamic feels like, and just sort of fell into it with great ease. it was a ten-year marriage, and it was as close to a real one as
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i had known. >> reporter: musician steven van zandt played tony's underboss, silvio dante. >> i was very comfortable with having, you know, been that kind of a thing with bruce springsteen in real life, you know? >> cheer me up, babe. just when i thought i was out, they pulled me back in. >> reporter: there never been anything like it on tv. >> no stars. too many characters. you know, no seductive lighting. no cute camera moves. nothing other than this very weird story of a mob boss. he has a nervous breakdown because ducks fly out of his pool. ♪ ♪ >> that's the makings of a hit show? >> reporter: more than a hit, it's become an enduring cultural phenomenon.
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constantly rediscovered by new audiences who still tour its shooting locations. >> outside of the church here is where tony approaches bobby baccalieri. >> what do you think the magic is? >> first of all it's really good. >> reporter: michael imperioli played tony's hotheaded nephew christopher moltisanti. >> move it! >> script after script more interesting and deeper. by the end of the first season i was like, this is incredible. >> it was like, you know, i guess a musicin playing, you know, bach or something. just like, oh, this is just an honor. >> within two shows, everybody stopped me on the street, you know? soprano, soprano, soprano. the fact that i had been a rock star for 20 years before that, gone. >> we'd go out, five or six of us, get a standing ovation. it was like playing forred the yankees. >> reporter: steve schirripa joined in the second season.
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>> bobby baccalieri, the last man standing. >> we were sincerely friends on and off. the only tense day i could remember, honestly, was the day we whacked vinny pastore, big pussy. >> is that object, tony? do i sit? >> when you kill somebody, or they die on the show, you are not going too see them anymore. >> reporter: it was a fate all the actors knew they could face. >> the more they gave you to do, your character, the better shot at you getting killed off. i didn't buy an apartment here until the show was over. >> reporter: schirripa got a call one night from david chase, who asked to come over. >> he had never been to your house? >> no. he doesn't come to your house. how they killed you became a badge of honor, you know. was it a good kill? did you fade away? mine was pretty good. the train story, you know,
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pretty cool. >> reporter: after ten years of filming, "the sopranos" final episode aired in 2007. >> did i read that in the last read you actually started drying? >> i was out of control. i was embarrassed. i couldn't stop crying. it was ridiculous. >> reporter: what were you feeling? >> it was this thing in this moment will never happen to me, to anyone. >> reporter: it changed a lot of people's lives. >> sure. i think all of ours. in all kinds of ways. >> reporter: the ending an abrupt cut to black was controversial. ♪ don't stop -- ♪ >> my initial thing was did the tv go out. but the ambiguities were interesting. did he die? is that the last thing he saw? i mean, those questions that lingered that people just tried to figure out. >> you kind of left room for everybody to make up their own ending? >> yeah. that was not my intention. >> reporter: what was your
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"hunger pangs." mm-hmm, hunger pangs. >> it's your mom's favorite. that's why i come up with this recipe, is because i want to make your mom happy. >> all these shrimp -- >> reporter: working through their recipe for honey-walnut shrimp at the studios of america's test kitchen in boston where the show was produced, you'd never know it took more than 30 years to get to this point. >> if you were an immigrant kid, you are living in america, you do everything that you can to fit in, to try to be american, and part of that is rebelling against your childhood, against your culture. >> reporter: and what happened to your relationship with your dad? >> it deteriorated. and it's because i refused to speak chinese at home. >> reporter: kevin pang was 6 when the family immigrated from hong kong to toronto, eventually moving to seattle where jeffrey opened an export business.
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>> my language is a big barrier for me. i don't know how to talk to my son because he very quickly enter into this western world. >> the slightest provocation i think would set things off. look, you have two headstrong males. it makes for a pretty fiery situation. >> reporter: over time, contact between them became a perfunctory weekly phone calm. >> just say hi and bye. no fighting. >> reporter: that is, until kevin became a food writer for the "chicago tribune." >> i had reason now to call my pops and say, hey, what is red braised pork belly? now we'd have half-hour conversations. >> reporter: and then in 2012, to kevin pang's amazement, his food-loving dad took to youtube. 2.2 million views and counting with chinese cooking
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demonstrations punctuated with nods to a shared history kevin had ignored. everything he could never say in person flooded out in a "new york times" article in 2016. >> to bear my soul in front of my family, it's just this inconceivable just horrific idea. but to do so, like in a national newspaper, i have no problem with that. >> reporter: jeffrey pang's response? >> hi, kevin. this is a good and true story. thank you. call me sometime. dad. >> reporter: now -- >> we make fried chicken with shrimp paste. it's fantastic. >> reporter: father and son reminisce their way through asian markets. of course, they cook. >> give it a smell. >> reporter: kevin finally gets that with each ingredient, each dish, they are retelling their story, preserving it.
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so this is the book? >> yes. >> reporter: for a year before they left hong kong in 1988 -- >> some kind of dessert. >> reporter: katherine and jeffrey pang collected family recipes. >> from his parents, my parents, and all the relatives. >> reporter: afraid they would lose their heritage. >> i still can recall the moment they taught us how to cook a specific dish. it's our treasure. >> reporter: some of those recipes have found their way into the cookbook. jeffrey and kevin pang published it together. >> yes. >> reporter: this was the moment -- >> what do you think? >> reporter: they saw a finished copy. >> so good. >> yeah? >> reporter: for the first time last fall. >> today my dreams come true. >> food is our common language. speak. that's what we can talk about. and who would have thought?
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all: be heard. be hopeful. be you. what are you having, old man? you have been staring at that menu for ten minutes. where does it say meatloaf? >> they don't have meatloaf. >> they don't, so pick something else. >> that's june squibb in "nebraska," a movie that turned her into an overnight sensation at the tender age of 84. now she's making her debut as a
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leading lady and in conversation with our mo rocca. >> when you are nominated for an oscar, the lovely thing is you don't audition anymore. and that was kind of nice because i had been auditioning my entire life. >> reporter: june squibb had spent her life working primarily on the stage. before she got noticed and an academy award nomination for her role as the -- >> see what you could have had -- >> reporter: earthy matriarch in the 2013 movie "nebraska." at 84, her life had changed. since "nebraska," about ten years ago, you have racked up something like 50 credits. >> yeah, i have. i did not stop working. >> reporter: do you say no a lot? >> i say no quite a bit. i really do. >> reporter: so you're not afraid this could be the last offer? >> no. i don't -- i'm sure i think that
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in my mind. oh, god, what am i doing, turning this down? i feel certain material is not for me. >> reporter: but she couldn't say no to the title role in "thelma." at 94, june squibb's first lead in a film ever. >> everybody wants to talk. my god, i just needed your scooter. please be a doll and don't make a fuss. >> i read the script. it was a wonderful script. beautifully written. i just felt, oh, my god, i really want to do this. >> reporter: in the movie, squibb plays thelma post who gets scammed out of $10,000 by a caller pretending to be her grandson. >> hello? >> grandma. >> danny? you sound so strange. >> i'm in jail. >> oh, my god! >> reporter: not the retiring type, thelma sets out to get her money back with the help of a
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friend played by the late richard roundtree -- >> i'm going with or without you. >> i'm not going to let you go alone. >> reporter: and a scooter. >> it was so much fun to know that richard was sitting behind me on the scooter. >> reporter: how much of this was about the scooter? >> a lot. they had a stunt lady there for me. i said, i want to try the scooter. so they let me try it. well, that was it. i was good at it. >> i said, why are you calling me? why don't you call your mom and dad? he said i don't want mom and dad to know. >> reporter: it'the movie based a real story. the real thelma post, a caller attempted to scam her. >> i said, let me see what i can do. i thought about it. this doesn't sound like josh. this sounds like a lot of crap. >> reporter: josh is josh margolin the writer and first-time director of the
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movie. his grandmother, now 103, didn't fall for the scam. but margolin was inspired. >> to me it felt it was a personal story about someone very important to me that i just felt i really needed to be the one to make. >> reporter: what is thelma trying to prove by going after these scammers? >> i think she is trying to prove that she is still the thelma that she has always been and proved to people she's got it while also navigating the realities of a new phase of life and the vulnerabilities that come with that. >> and also she wants to get the money back. >> and she wants to get the money back. >> reporter: the movie is funny, but it also takes thelma's predicament seriously. >> he was going on and on about how you hit someone. >> reporter: were you consciously making sure that didn't tip over into mockery of older people? >> that was always on our minds, wanting to make sure we were kind of laughing along with
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thelma. getting thrills and humor just from her quest and her character, but never wanting it foal feel like a mockery. >> reporter: margolin wrote the role of thelma with june squibb in mind. we were there when the actor met her subject. >> i'm thelma post. >> i know! >> oh, my gosh. >> i'm going to do it with you. >> and june, we were earlier talking about the movie and thelma's impression of the movie and of your performance as her. what do you think of june's performance as you? >> what do i think of june's performance? i'm thrilled with it. i'm proud of it. i'm happy i'm being portrayed this way. i mean, how lucky can i be? >> keep it up. keep it up. >> why are we stopping? >> reporter: with "thelma" in theaters this week, squibb
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already said yes to her next gig. > we went to new jersey for a one-day shoot on the new "american horror story." she was a leprechaun that drank blood, and i felt, i've got to do this. >> reporter: a leprechaun who drinks blood? >> right. how many chances do you get to do that? >> reporter: seven decades into her career, june squibb is going for it like never before. >> i think when you're young, you are so eager to please. you think i want to do, i want to make everybody happy, i want to make everybody like me. as you get older, i think that goes away, a lot of it. >> reporter: do you find yourself eager to please? >> no. i could care less. why? at this age, what i have been through, who i have known, what i have dealt with, why should i care?
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as the husband of kamala harris, the first woman to serve as vice president, doug emhoff is pioneering a new role, and as he tells rita braver, there is a lot more to being the first second gentleman than you might imagine. >> let's do something, you know watch them watch getting a haircut, even to highlight small businesses during hispanic heritage month. >> knowing in your career you have not covered a haircut yet, this is an historic first. >> reporter: but doug emhoff is used to venturing into uncharted territory. as the husband of kamala harris, the first female vice president,
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he is the first male to be a vice presidential spouse. there wasn't even a name for it. how did you come up with the title of second gentleman? >> a bunch of were talking about what to call me, since there has never been one of me before. it sounded about right. it was first lady, second gentleman. >> reporter: emhoff, who is 59, gave up a successful los angeles law practice when his wife became vice president. he now teaches law part time at georgetown university. >> thanks fog br being here tod >> reporter: he is content to keep a low profile, quietly attending a small ceremony on september 11th at the memorial in shanksville, pennsylvania. >> what's your name? >> gavin morris. >> reporter: and having private conversations at the local firehouse with first responders.
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>> and i said, well, someone needs to be here in shanksville and i wanted it to be me. and i really focused on them as people. i wanted to hear their stories. >> welcome to the office of the second gentleman. >> reporter: thank you. but when he is back in d.c. -- i'll ask you the question that all political wives get, and that is, are you also an advisor to your wife? >> no. >> reporter: no? >> i'm her husband. she has plenty of people around her giving her advice on her role. i'm just there to support her, to be there for her. >> reporter: when she gets classified briefings, aren't you curious? >> no. it's surreal sometimes when i know she is in the situation room and i see something on the news. like, hmm, i wonder what's happening? then when it's not classified, it could be, hey, you know, that might have been what was happening.
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>> doug and i bounded as spouses on the campaign trail. >> reporter: first lady jill biden, who of course was previously second lady, says emhoff is a natural. >> i think he likes people. he likes being with people. he connects with people. and i think that's really important. >> reporter: last month, she and emhoff hit the campaign trail in michigan together where he talked about the supreme court's striking down abortion rights. >> what they are doing on reproductive freedom and freedom in general is just outrageous. advice she gave him when he ng started. >> i tried to s to him, doug, don't waste your platform. choose what you want to do and, you know, make it yours. >> reporter: emhoff is not only the first second gentleman, he also the first jewish person ever to be in the big four as theop two■í national couples are
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called. emhoff and harris proudly showed us a mezuzah,tionally hung on door posts of jewish hom that they placed on the vice president's house. and emhoff has taken a leading role in fighting antisemitism. >> the work that doug is doing is really extraordinary. especilythis menin timitism, time, where so m people are living in fear and also just concerned about what's happening in our country. >> so this issue found me. she literally said, and now you've got to step up. >> reporter: that was all before the october 7th hamas attacks on israelis. now emhoff is front andte the prident and vice en wit president. >> i know a lot of us are feeling alone, afraid, and in pain. there is an epidemic of hat including a cris of antisemitism in ouroury and
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around the world. >> i process that to this day as a jewish person, the impact, emotional, the rage, all those things that so many of painian and muslim-americans who say we're hurting, too? >> all hate is bad. the work i have been doing has centered not only on fighting antisemism,ut fighting hate of all kinds. letting people know that hate against on a hate ainst all. >> reporter: it is a far cry from his former lifen california. you were born ->> in brooklyn. grew up in jersey until i was 16. moved here to l.a. when i was 16. >> reporter: and what was it like to move here at 16? >> so cool. it was in the early '80s. it lm tis at ridgeorte emhfas alwaysad his e on his future. >> put myself through college right here in northridge. then i got that usc law school and i worked really hard, set a goal of being an entertainment
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lawyer and i made it happen. >> reporter: but as emhoff acknowledged when we went for coffee at his favorite spot -- >> black coffee for me. >> i got you. i saw you. >> reporter: it wasn't kamala harris' prowess as attorney general of california that attracted him when the mutual friend wanted to fix them up in 2013. you didn't say we'll have lots to talk about because of the law. you said something else? >> what you think i said? >> reporter: she's h. [ laughter ] is that true? is that true? >> i think that's a true statement. it was love at first sight. we have been togethe ever e. >> reporter: they married in 2014 and hearis became stepmom to emhoff's children ella and cole from his first marriage. even presiding at cole's wedding lastear. >> i have to say doug is a lot
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better cook now that he metacam la. repter: wmet upith doug and cole emhoff at the original farmers market in los angeles. i noticed that you call your father doug. what's that all about? >> i have done it my entire life. it's just habitt this. >> reporter: and you have a special name for the vice president, too? >> yes. mamala. so together they are doug-ala. what can i say? >> reporter: as much as vice president's family loves her, only a minority ofricans approve of the job that she and president biden are doing. what is your response when people are critical of your wife because, of course, they are? >> i'm her husband. nobody wants to see anyone they love criticized or attacked. but that said, i mean, she is vice president of the united states. so this all comes with the territory. she is the toughest person out there. >> reporter: she is tough? >> oh, so tough. just bounces right off of her.
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group of israelis and palestinians has come together face to face with one goal in common. peace. >> reporter: he is an engineer with a master's degree, but this is elie avidor's life's work now. is this how you thought you would be spending your retirement? >> i tell you, i do something i love. i really think it's important. >> reporter: the 73-year-old israeli drives three hours from tel aviv every week to accompany palestinian sheep herders in the west bank. his real value to them is not as a laborer. you standing in jeans and t-shirt, you are a deterrent? >> i'm a deterrent. >> reporter: you have power because of your passport, being israeli? >> sure. >> reporter: he is trying to stop the intimidation from increasingly violent israeli settlers. >> you see the car there? they burnt it. >> reporter: by documenting
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their aggression and calling authorities as the settlers plant this flag ever closer. >> this is a war crime. we occupy this land. they try to move the community out to the big villages so israel can an ex this area without the local people. i'm trying to stop it. >> reporter: b'tselem, an israeli human rights group, reports incidents of extremist settlers tormenting settlers are on the rise. >> is there an order to drive sneeze people away. >> reporter: avidor, a war veteran, is fighting a different sort of battle today and easy feels just as patriotic wearing this uniform, a t-shirt for combatants for peace, which has a straightforward goal. >> to spread the word that the other side is human, because you have to dehumanize in order to kill someone. >> reporter: formed 18 years ago, the group began bringing together former combatants,
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former enemies emphasizing community building and the all-too-rare approaches of dialogue and understanding. >> i learn about the palestinians. i tell them my story because they meet violent settlers and meet soldiers. that's the israelis they know. i grew up just imagining the israelis or the jewish as one person. who has holding a gun and just want to take everything that i have. >> reporter: tareq seder joined from the palestinian side with his uncle ahmed al helou, who says his own fear and hatred of israelis sparked desire for revenge. >> i start to create myself to be a strong fighter. >> reporter: by the time he was 10, he says he was burning tires and throwing rocks. what do you say to foreigners who look at kids throwing rocks, being violent, what a violent
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culture? >> listen, we are not violent people. but our life forced us to be like this. >> reporter: as a teen, he joined hamas. did you ever think about picking up weapons, arms? >> at that time, yeah, maybe. i got a chance to be, maybe i will be yes. >> reporter: you would have been a suicide bomber? >> yeah. >> reporter: over time, he was exposed to different ways of thinking among other palestinians. while the oslo peace accords were being signed -- >> our goal, to have a state, a palestinian state. >> reporter: why do you think combatants for peace is the way towards that goal? >> because i believe a nonviolent way and i believe it is the only way. >> throwing rocks or burning
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tires will not do anything, will not fix it. it's a way to show your anger. >> reporter: how did your anger play out? >> it's still like in a small cage inside me. i think having it in gaza, it's like all my body keep burning from inside. >> reporter: they tell us they lost 60 family members in israel's assault on gaza, which has killed kilde more than 35,000 palestinians. the u.n. figured about half are women and children. how can you continue to want to have these conversations with israelis? >> i am sure that there is many israelis that are against the war, against the occupation. i'm working with them. >> he relays that we are both humans. we have the same needs and feelings. so i said, if i go to fight them, they will fight me back. and if i fight them back and they will fight me back, i fight them back, it will just be only
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violence. but if we talk to each other, they will hear me and they will feel me, give me empathy. >> reporter: that evening israelis joined palestinians here in the west bank to watch a ceremony recognizing the nakba, the displacement of palestinians in 1978 during the creation of the -- >> why make a two hour trip to come here? >> it's like my second family. this is the only place to be, the hope. >> reporter: i imagine there are a number of israelis who say it's audacious for the israelis to commemorate the nakbah. >> that is our story. we share the stories. >> reporter: he invited us to join him at a military cemetery in tel aviv on israel's memorial day. >> there is a soldier.
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>> reporter: especially solemn this year in the wake of the october 7th massacre with 1,200 people murdered and 251 taken hostage. >> one of the strongest connections to israel is through shuki. >> reporter: shuki vater was his friend and commander killed during the 1973 yom kippur war. >> every seven years, we have new fallen, new conflict, new dead. the violence keep on. that's why i'm trying to work with the other side. to find a solution without violence. >> reporter: a siren sounds each memorial day and for two minutes much of israel halts to reflect on lives lost. combatants for peace stages its own commemoration on this day, recognizing the loss on both sides. ♪ ♪ >> reporter: last year, 15,000 people attended.
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this year's event was smaller due to the war. >> it's like medicine, these moments. >> reporter: that's where we met benny, who did not want us to share his last name. he was a soldier in the israel defense forces who had a realization after barging into a palestinian family's home during a raid. >> they were not violent. they were just scared. we got out. i was sitting behind this big rock and thinking, wow, now i've been the one who caused the trauma. i have been the one who caused the pane. >> we don't exist for each other. >> reporter: that introspection is part of what pushed him to join this group. that and the realization he didn't know much about this parallel world. >> growing up i actually haven't, the palestinians i didn't know who they are. >> reporter: you are israeli. you share the land.
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>> our enemies, syria, it's lebanon, palestinians. i had no idea there were millions of people there. >> reporter: how much has october 7th changed the landscape? >> a lot of new trauma came. some people lost their faith. >> reporter: faith in? >> this work. they were so shocked and scared, they felt like, wow, all i did and for what? just more pain came out. >> reporter: but for some, it has strengthened resolve. >> i cannot play on the beach and enjoy my life when i know what is happening in the occupied areas under my name, my taxes. even if the effect is minimal, i feel i have to do it. this is a purpose. >> reporter: elie avidor found purpose out here among the palestinian shepherds and maintains hope knowing through
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history humankind has emerged from the darkest periods. >> this is inhuman. to kill 40,000 people, how can we look at mirror? but, you know, it was world war ii. we got over it. 100 years war between fransd germany, apartheid in south africa. there is hope and this can change. >> reporter: he found his own practical way of combatting injustice with empathy. >> i am not doing it for the palestinians. has to be clear. my love is to my country. but i know that my country is in trouble and in pain and we have to get out of it. >> reporter: can you see the way out, through dialogue with palestinians? >> that's exactly it. i feel really strong that i have to do it for my own sake, for my country, for my family, for my people.
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i love marge. >> you love me. >> i don't love you. >> i don't mean that as a threat. >> i am a little relieved you're going. i think we have seen enough of each other for a while. >> announcer: it's "sunday morning" on cbs and here again is jane pauley. >> actor jude law in "the talented mr. ripley," the movie that made him a star 25 years ago. since then, the englishman has racked up dozens of major credits. in his latest film he plays one of the most infamous kings in history. he tells lee cowan all about it in our "sunday profile." >> reporter: if you have ever wondered if a person can really remain anonymous in new york city, jude law just might be proof. do you get recognized a lot? >> no. it depends. >> reporter: it depends because just which of his varied looks
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would you recognize? he played playboys -- >> everybody should have one talent. what's yours? >> reporter: writers. >> every word matters. >> no, it doesn't. >> reporter: fairy tale pirates. >> smee. >> reporter: and storied sidekicks. >> i have been reviewing my notes on our exploits over the last seven months. would you like to know my conclusion? >> reporter: at 51, jude law rarely retraces the cobblestones of his past. yet, on this day, bathed in the red of the theater in the heart of broadway. >> extraordinary. >> reporter: he couldn't help it. >> all these memories come flooding back sitting there, waiting to be revisited. >> reporter: it was here in 1995 in law, just 23, made his broadway debut. >> i remember going to the theater manager saying, to i pay my rent for the next month? he was like, i don't know, kid. >> reporter: the play was
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indiscretions. it earned nine tony nominations, including one for law's performance. did you think when you started out that the stage seemed a more probable career than movies? >> absolutely. film felt so distant. abstract from my life in london, in southeast london. >> alas, poor yorik, i knew him. >> reporter: "hamlet" is almost a rite of passage for an english stage actor whchlt law played it, he got another tony nod. you said "hamlet" was one of the hardest things you have done, one of the most challenging? >> certainly. you are on stage for 85, 90% of the plate. you have eight enormous soliloquies, taking on something like that is natural and part of that should be the motivation for taking it on. >> reporter: playing royals seems part of his acting dna. >> hail! >> he played fictional rulers,
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renowned rulers, and currently one of the most revived. king henry viii, husband to six wives, two of whom he had executed. >> they knew what would happen. >> we would have to have their head cut off. >> i have a theory that he was a romantic, really fell in love and had no idea of course that his lifetime a love life would go down this path. >> reporter: he is unrecognizable in "firebrand," the story of henry's last wife catherine parr. >> don't! >> sorry. i'm so sorry. >> any of the actions whether they be aggressive, grotesque, lewd, they have to come from a reason and they have t come from, i think, a sense of truth. it's always about that really. >> vengeful king henry viii.
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>> reporter: part of finding that truth was getting at the humanity of just who henry was. it he was a man-of-war, yes. >> you realize what we -- >> reporter: here are the arms and armor gallery at new york's metropolitan museum of art, curator edward hunter pointed law to a suit of armor actually worn by the king himself that shows evidence of the crippling pain in his legs. probably from a jousting accident. >> unlike many of the other armors, it doesn't go all the way down on his legs. >> no. >> he chose this armor specifically for comfort. >> the open wounds were exactly around there, they think, aren't they? the lower legs. >> in front of my men, it was humiliating. >> that pain must have, you know, his temperament probably rose and fell. i think that really colored who he was. >> reporter: growing up, the arts were everywhere. his parents were both teachers, but also performers. to them law's entrance into the
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arts wasn't a surprise. but his ensuing fame was. what do they think of all your success? they have been around to see it all, which is great. some people don't have that. >> yes, indeed. it was a big thing for them to sort of understand there is a certain public ownership that you suddenly feel you give up to this public persona. >> actor jude law testified in britain's phone hacking trial on monday. >> reporter: in the mid-2000s, he lost all ownership of his private life. for years, his phone was being hcked by the tabloid news of the world in every private conversation became public. >> i mean, it seems like who you were and the relationships that you were in, there was really at some point felt like had to be nothing left to write about you. >> absolutely. i certainly felt like that. at the time it was like weathering a storm and it decision patriots and you learn from it and you adapt.
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your life moves on. it's been hard, i think, in the uk, the media have rehashed stories that are 20, 25, some of them 30 years old. they have been through every garnent in my laundry basket and there was no more dirty laundry. it was like, that's done. >> reporter: not surprisingly, these days he and his current wife try to live a very private life. >> we are on the great adventure together. i feel hugely supported by her. being a dad is a big part of that. >> reporter: they have two young children, adding to the five law had before. having a famous dad is one thing. having one voted as the sexiest man alive, well, that's another. >> come here. you're beautiful rich he was almost too good looking one my a u. >> reporter: sounds like you were wondering if roles were
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because of the way you looked or because of your performance? >> it's funny because as soon as i engage in that consideration it's like i am acknowledging that i have really good looks. i look at photos of myself, which i know i don't look like anymore, and i am able to say, i was really pretty. i a was really, really pretty when i was in my 20s. >> amanda, are you by any chance at all into hot chocolate? >> reporter: he could have bmad a living doing rom-coms but planned to do the opposite. >> i found my own path to try to really establish myself as an actor as opposed to a hearob. it felt like the long game. >> reporter: he started seeking out roles prope ting the unfortate, the seemingly irredeemable. >> i'm a monster, a dinosaur. >> im sething of a rarity. >> how's that? >> i shoot the dead. >> dead bodies.
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>> reporter: henry viii is just the latest in a long line of the tortured and textured characters he so enjoys inhabiting. and while many think they may jaw jude law the person, he still says most haven't got a clue. >> i quite like there always to be an element of surprise that people don't know me well enough to say, oh, this is just like him. >> reporter: you don't want people to know the private side? >> i'd rather they didn't. i think that's part of e fun of being an actor, a magic to it that you can't always dissect or understand until you are in it, doing it, and then you reflect and think, how did that come about? that grimy film on your teeth? dr. g? (♪♪) it's actlly the buildup of plaque bacteria which can cause cavities.
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the first presidential debate is thursday night in atlanta. we've asked john dickerson for a look ahead. >> reporter: presidential campaigns are sometimes compared to a job interview. voters are the hiring committee. debates the in-person office visit. but we already know joe biden and donald trump. to learn whether they will protect the constitution, how they manage a crisis, or whether they have the character and temperament we can look to their records. in the office of the job that they want. so what is the point of this debate? first, debates showcase the job seekers' performance skills. presidential bearing, warmth, command. even though we've seen these two perform a lot, it's a chance for candidates to reverse the stylistic misimpressions among voters who haven't paid much
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>> reporter: david samuel place viola in a san francisco string quartet. he almost didn't make it into this country. >> i am a canadian citizen and needed a work visa if i was coming to the united states. >> reporter: that required special documentation. >> i was tasked with finding old programs, articles, interviews, anything that could demonstrate that i had contributed significantly to the field. >> reporter: unfortunately, most of that stuff had disappeared from the internet over the years. >> somebody said, you should check out t internet archive. the wayback machine. >> the wayback machine is a time machine for the web. >> reporter: mark grammy is the wayback machine's director. >> it does that by going and looking ateb pages, hundreds of mills othem every single day and stores them in our servers. >> reporter: the wayback has been making backup copies of the worldwide web since 1996,
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