judy: good. covid concerns. cases of coronavirus surge across the u.s. even as restrictions start to be reimposed. i ask former trump advisor john bolton about the dramatic acsation in his new book, including that the president solicited election interference. as more people use food delivery apps., questions remain about whether the business model is sustainable. >> the price that w pay to the services to make this happen, it takes all of our profits. there is minimal left over for us. judy: all that and more tonight.

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believed that at least 23 million americans have been incted, that is 10 times higher than the number of cases reported. the cdc added pregnant women to the list of high-risk groups. a breakdown on these trendsnd the concerns over the pace of reopening. >> texas governor greg abbottld announced he wause reopening and free up more hospitalte beds as the s is struggling to contain outbreaks. in florida, governor ron to stay-at-home -- olderesidents residents to stay atome and younger residents to avoid crowds. mba of states are seeing record numbers of cases over the past weeks. we are joined by the professor and directorf harvard universities global health institute. let's start with the numbers we are seeing. the surge in infections. they have increased testing, but

what about reopening? what role did thatnt play in buting to those new numbers? >> thank you for having me on. i think there is really little doubt that in many states acros the country we reopened to early. nthe evidence d suggest they were safe to reopen and they opened up to aggressively. what we are seeing now is the surgeon k says that unfortunately many ofs -- surge in cases that unedrtunately many of us wor about. it is quite worrisome. ctwe have tooldly to get this under control. >> a number of states have been ving to reopen. we are seeing these huge surges in texas, arizona, and florida. but we are not seeing them in other states that have reopened. w do you reconcile that? >> it is true it is not happening everywhere in the country. different states have taken different tactics in terms of how aggressively they have opened.

different states have taken different approaches in terms of how many cases they had when they reopened. then of course there is always idiosyncrasy.none of this is pey predictable. throug my mind there is no question about it we are seeing large increases in infections largely because we have opened up to clean an -- tooly qui and too much. >> there has been a lot of conversation about masks. state data in the states that recommend, but don't require mass wearing, 16 states, new cases wentp 84% in the last two weeks. main 11 states thaated mask wearing in public, new cases fell 25%. those numbers are pretty striking, but we know there is a difference between causation and correlation. what can we say we know definitively aboutth masks and r ability to stop the spread? >>is thi an area where the evidence really has shifted

quite substanlaally over the two months. the study you .2 was only one data point and if that was the only data point i would say, that may not be that definitive, but as far as what are dozens of studies that are com out, i think we feel very confident that masks are a really rtimportant f getting this virus under control. unto itself, it is not enough, but as part of a broader strategy i think it is pretty critical that we get into mandatory mask wearing when people are out and about. >> people have concerns. you are seeingrc theories ating that wearing a mask can actually be bad for your health. people say you can breathein bak the carbon dioxide you are breathing out and that can be bad. i've seen theories where people say it can increase the chance of getting the virus. what do you say to people reading those and are concerned? >> i understand the reason for coern, but i think the

evidence is pretty clear. wearing a mask is not harmful. doctors and nurses often wear masks for 12, 14, 16 hours a day. we haven't seen them get sick from wearing a mask. mother workers weaks for a long period of time. the conces about breathing back in carbon dioxide or other things are not really rooted in medical science. i understand it is a little inconvenient, but it is perfece.y s >> let me bring you back to where we started. the texas governor says they are going to pause reopening. when they are amidst a huge surge in numbers, what kind of an impact is a pause like that going to have? is it enough to slow the spread? >> i welcome the texas governor recognizing there was a problem, but this response is inadequate for the size of the problem. by the time your hospitals are starting to get full you have two weeks of rising infections already bakedn.

over the next two weeks, i expect the number of cases in texas to continue climbing. putting a pause is not enough. they have to think hard about mandated mask wearing. pullback in large public gatherings, think about whether it is safe to have indoor restaurants. there was a lot the governor has to do. a pause is not enough. >>of hundredmericans are still dying every day. when you look at the states where they arseeing these increases, what steps could would help to slow the spreadat and prevent some of those deaths? >> the single biggest thing that i think governors have to do is recognize how serious of a problem this is every i still don't see that sense of urgency. avweto get ahead of this virus. mandatory mask wearing. it means absolutely canceling large indoor gatherings,in incl rethinking things like restaurants, bars, nightclubs.

we've goto keep working on ramping up testing and tracing. we heard from the president that the problem is we are g too much. no, the problem is we are not testing enough. and we are not isolating cases when we find them. until we do those things, we are not going to be ablerg to bring outbreaks under control. >> that is the director of harvard's global health institute. >> thank y. >> newshour west. we will return to judy woodruff after the latest headlines. in the latest on the pandemic, the trump administration announced tomorrow it will hold eth first coronavirus task force briefing since april. vice president pence will lead the briefing at the department of health and human services. other news, this evening the u.s.d house appropolice

reform bill. the democratic bill wouldre state and local police to ban chokeholds or risk losdsg federal fnd it would end qualified legal immunity for officers facing misconduct lawsuits. the debate showed the partisan divide. >>nimerica is not only b. america is also weeping. wshe ping for the victims of excessive force bto those sworrotect and serve. leadership to man up, to meetn this moment, and to write i the laws of this country once and for all that black lives do matter. >> we need h reform, bse democrats have delivered a bill that is designed to keep cops in the car. when you do that, when you do that, it makes our communities less safe by preventing good law enforcement officers from being able to do their job. gothat is what this bill ig to do. >> the bill is lely to face

deep resistance in the republican-controlled senate, t ree republican house members did vote in favor of the bill tonight. a closer look this after the news. in california, first of their kind regulationsppved to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. the state will require more than half of all trucks sold be zero omission by 2035. it is an effort to phase out emissions from diesel trucks. meanwhile, the trump administration is looking to open up more of alaska for drilli. the interior department wants to expand the area within the national petroleum reserve to allow drilling for oil and natural gas. the plan would increase the area from 11 million acres 2013 plan to 18 million acres. the u.s. supreme court has upheld the trumpra adminion's use of quick asylum-seekers whoinitial screenings. today's decision reversed a lower court ruling.

it had said asylum-seekers must first have access to federal boards. -- feder the 2020 race played out in battlegrou states today. president trump traveled to wisconsin to shore up support where he trail he tked up economic revival to shipyard workers. president trump: manufacturing, remember? it was never going to come back. it did come back. ce back big. [applause] i have an aptitude for manufauring. i said it's got to come back and it will come back and we were doing great and we will do now even better. the president's democratic opponent, former vice president joe biden, campaigned in pennsylvania. he blasted mr.' tr's response to the pandemic and his attempts to abolish the aca. >> mr. president, drop the lawsuit. stop g trying to rid of the affordable care act. stop taking away people's heal

care and their peace of mind. now more than ever stop ying to steal their peace of mind. >> the trump administration is expected to join with a number obamacare.ying to strike down in russia, voting has begun on constitutional changes that could let putin stay in power for two more terms. polls open today f one week. could stay in power until 2036. he has already ruled russia for more than two decades. in u.s. economic news, unemployment claims rose again last week by nearly 1.5 million, but the total number receiving benefits fell below 20 e million asloyers rehire workers. still to come, efforts at a bipartisan police reform bill in question in vipolitically d congress. judy woodruff asks john bolton

about his dramatic accusations against the president. much of the arctic suffers the direqu conseences of an unprecedented heatwave. and much more. ♪ >> this is the pbs newshour. from washington and in the west from the walte cronkite school of journalism at arizona state university. judy: after weeks of nationwide protests following the dth of george floyd, democrats in the u.s. house a set to pass a comprehensive police reform bill later tonight. >> the house bill named in honor of george floyd would create new federal bands on some police practices and make it easier to ndpunish officers for mist. it comes after a day of democrats -- comes a day after

democrats blocked a republican bill in the senate. the democratic bill would ban chokeholds, it would ban no cases, and make it easier toug punish police officers for misconduct. joining ms. congresswoman karen bass,he chair of the congressional black caucus. i was the approach different -- how is your approach different >> senator scott mimics parts of our bill. he addresses chokeholds, the federalegistry, no knock warrants, but he does not have the enforcement piece. weon't need to study chokeholds. we don't need to have data collection about no knock warrants. we d't needo have a federal

registry nobody sees. it needs to be public. cheholds need to be banned. and no knocks in federal drug cases need to be banned. >> you and that congressional disagreucus clearly and think that the republicans are not going far eugh, but you also took a step of urging her senate colleagues do not even open the bill for debate, evene though republicans w offering a chance to amend that bill in the senate. tobviously i senate, 60 votes, a bipartisan measure is needed to pass. why not even begin debate on that senate bill? >> let me be clear, that is the process in the senate. our focus is on the house. what we issued was a statent in support of our two senators, senator harris and senator booker. they offered the same bill that we had in the house but you know this is just the sausage making part of the process.

awe going to pass the bill out of the house in the next couple ofours and negotiations will begin. with senator scottiscussions i plan to call him later tonight. i'm talking to my republican colleagues. i will tell you it is interesting and the reason i'm hopefumy is thaepublican colleagues in the house who are opposed to the bill, in the debate they talked about everything under the sun except for the bill. which makes me feel lune there is g for us to come together. sometimes, this is just wow the process. i will tell you, this is hyperspeed for congress. george floyd was killed 30 days ago. for us to come up with a comprehensive piece of legislation in early days, if we had started with negotiationov instead ofg forward with a clear signal as to what we believe should be done to lead to transformative change, there

is no way we would be voti on anything now. so the process will continue. negotiations will begin. e ablieve that we will b to deliver for the american people a bill on president trump'desk. >> let me follow-up. you are calling senator scott tonight. senator lindsey graham said he thinks this issue is essentially dead in the senate. ll me exactly what you think the way forward is. let me just tell you he is the last one that should say he thinks the bill is dead. he is r up in a toughlection with an incrediice african-am candidate. so i think what is happening isr pog, political posturing. i think that that is all that that is. ewhenome up with a partisan -- bipartisan ag'ment, im sure senator graham will be the first one to put his name on the bill. >> let me talk about one of the toughest issues you face. that is police immunity.

the ideat t courts have essentially kept police officers immune from lawsuits for anything that happens on the job. your bill would change that. meepublicans say that is dangerous because it would rage people from becomin police officers. why do you think that needs to change? >>et me just tell you. you look at that video of george floyd being murdered ay that is exacy i think it should be changed. that officer who took eight kiminutes to slowl that man was looking at thehi camera with hand in his pocket because he felt he could dohat with straight impunity. he did not expect to get arrested. he did not expect to get fired. and that is the mentality that absolutely has to change. you know, i don't believe that good officers want to work with they bring down the profession. so another part of our bill also calls for lifting up the profsion with accreditation

and national standards. you go get your ir done and your beautician has to have national standards and accreditation. why wouldn't the profession that has the power to kill have national standards? we have 18,000 police department in the country and we essentially have 18, ways of providing policing. is what we are trying to do. thatfficers could be sued ata where officers are sued, it is the insurance of the city that f pa it. but we have to be able to prosecute officers. so in addition to removing qualified immunity from police officers,o we awer the standard in which you can charge an officer. right now,has to be willful intent. meaning we have to get inside the mind of an offic. we want to lower it to reckless, so that if an officer -- you can

be reckless and nobody looks at what was in your mind, you were just. reckbess and how you ved these are tools you have to have to change the culture of policing in the united states. >> quickly you are under consideration i understand to be a potential vice presidentialth running mate oe biden. do you care to comment? >> let me just say that anything in that regard needs to be referred to the campaign. i have one singular focus right now and that is to pass the george a floyd justi policing act and i'm so honored ando privile be able to have the responsibg ity of work this right now. >> congresswoman karen bass, thank you. >> thank you. ♪ judy: ambassador john bolton has worked in every republican presidential administration since ronald reagan, but

his most recent government stent as president trump's national security advisor, he saw a different kiin of commandehief and the differences he said are stunning. he stepped down from that post last september and he is out with his latest book, "the room wherit happened." thank you for bei with us. i want to startthith something happened after you left the white house and that is the ronavirus and its effect on this country. you do lay blame in the book on the chinese leadership, but you also say president trump, every decision driven by his desire for reelection, do you think his reelection has been put ahead of the country's interest in the way h he handled this pandemic? >> i think that is certainly true at the beginning. back in january when key people

around the governmt, people around the cdc and other places were signa cng that thld be a pretty terrible medical incident, i don't tnk the president wanted to hear that news. i don't think he wanted to hear anything bad paying or chinese effort -- xi jinping or chinese efforts to conceal the nature of the virus. he didn't want to hear anything about a negative effect on the economy that might jeopardize his reelection. thk is a consequences of this empty chair in the oval officen phenome, we wasted a lot of time that could have been used to mitigate the effict of the pand judy: let's turn to impeachment. in essen in the book you lay out in great detail how the charge that w the basis for impeachment that the present used the powers of his office to try to get ukrainians to do them a political favor, you lay out

in detail how that actually happened and yet you decided not to testify when you are asked by the house of representatives. i k argument that you don't think you could have changed minds, but what i'm hearing from a number of people on the hill is that if they had known last before the impeachment hearings that it could have cngeds, mihy don't you believe so? >> because i think they know that the impeachment effort was a massive failure and i think they are looking for excuses. the fact is we have m ael in this country of how to conduct a successf impeachment process. it is obviously what happened at ewaterg. nixon was not convicted by the tnate to be sure, but he did resign at model was the watergate midi chaired by a atdemo, but working cooperatively with a leading republican to build a kind of bipartisan base. when you run a partisan process which is what use democrats did, it has

consequences. in ts case it was to push republicans into a partisan corner in the house. they literally pushed away republicans who might have been sympathetic to a nonpartisan approach and they had the same consequence in the senate. one other point is important. i had to say which would have been lostil in the turs that many republicans, house and , bought the white hou argument that no matter what the president did as described in ukraine, that his conduct even if it was reprehensible did not rise to the level of an impeachable offense. thateds why republicans v overwhelmingly in the senate not to call y new witnesses. when the democrats jump off a cliff and they are halfway down and they say to me and others they could have said it too, why don't you join us? it rings hollow. things i do want t cover.f other

one is the president and what happened with china and with russia. you lay out in detail how the president pandered to chinese leader xi jinping, that he went easy on the chinese human rights repression also he could get the kind of trade deal that he wanted.yo say that vladimir putin played president trump like a fiddle. how concerned are you that the thchinese an russians may try el interfere in this year's tion in order to help president trump? >>l, w think they would try to interfere in this year's election, i don't know who they would try to help. i think there mai mission is to constitutional str.our i think any time they can get us going at each other's throat

they are successful and i think job have done a pretty good of tha if you look at what vice president hans said in his speech last year about chinese efforts, it goes beyond simply interfering in the election. that is bad enough. the chinese even mor russians are trying to influence american public opinion more broadly. this is a very significant part of the reason why we need a comprehensive strategy to deal with the chinese threat across the board. it is a mistake to limit our concern to interference in the election. i'm not downplaying that. i'm saying this is part of a much bigger picture. judy: you criticize a number of top ofcials. former defense secretary jim mattis. etsey of state mike pompeo. the treasury secretary, steven mnuchin.

the former u.n. ambassador, nikki haley. i read david ignatius rights, "you are the hero of nearly ery anecdote what about that? wh about the criticism that this is a book about self-aggrandizement of john bolton and criticizing a lot of other people? >> wl, my focus is on the president. the range of issues we covered.n some people come out better than others. i try to make sure i admitted mistakes i made. i'm sure i made my share and more. i was tryinto tell this as honestly aous i. obviously it is a memoir, i told this from my perspective. i'm not questioning the integrity or patriotism. they can tell their side of the story. god bless them. judy: a few other questions. in the white house right now, who do you believe would stand up to president trump? >> iwef i a that question i'm

going to get somebody in trouble. i will just say this, i think there are people who remain in the administration who have the correct view of how to nefend americional interest. i think they are striving to do that i've been criticized, so have other people like jim mattis, john kelly, others who have left the administration. one, why didn't you resign? or the even more extreme criticism, you never should have joined up. other criticism is that you should have staye longer, you should have fought harder, youha shouldn' given up so early. it is a very personal decision. i think a lot of people joined vee trump administration in part perhaps they belthat i did that it could not be as bad as some of the outside critics we all lasted as long as we could. that is not a decision anyone

can second-guess until you walked in the kind ofho we walked in. a lot of people thought trey rying to make a contribution to the welfare of the country. that is what i try to do and so did many others. judy: let me ask you about the present's son-in-law jared kushner who came from a real estate background. white house in foreign policy. has that been a constructive role? >> i don't think it has been. i don't think you should treae ite house or u.s. government is a small family business. i'm not in a mol high horse about anti-nepotism statutes. it is not a question of advancing somebody. but i think there is a difference when your family is deeply involved in this kind of i will go back a little bit in history. i don't think it was a good situation wh john kennedy made his brother attorney general. i think that was a mistake.

that is just how i feel about it. judy: a question about the election coming up. ouyou do say throu the book you think the president is driven by his desire to be reelected. right now, he is running behind in the polls. a couple calls a have 12 14 points behind. what do you belve -- if this president is focused on getting reelect ed, what do you believe he is capable of doing in order to stay in goodpe shat he would get reelected? >> first off, i don't believe these polls. i'm not putting any real weight on them. it is four monecs until the on. a lot can change in the economy, with respect to the coronavirus. fausly in 2016. hillary clinton wa. substantially ahead and she lost. because we don't have a purely popular vote system. weave an electoral college. before anybody gets hyperthyroid

do, let'mber that theor may not selection is still a coin toss i think. i haven't seen any evidence he would do anything unconstitutional. i think trump critics maka mistake when they exaggerate the nature of the threat. if we saw any evidence of some kind of extraconstitutional effort, i think we should all as a nation stopt, particularly the conservatives in the republican party h te an obligatistop it. and i think they will. judy: john bolton, former white house national secity advisor. "the room where it happened: a white house memoir." >> thanks for having me. ♪ judy: there s a heat wave of historic proportions occurring in the arctic. a region that is already the fastest warming place on earth

due to the increasing buildup of greenhouse gases. we talk withci atist who has worked in the region for decades. >> that's rightit is summer in the arctic, so somewhat milder temperatures would be expected, but this heat wave which has triggered huge wdfires in siberia and increased melting of the permafrost are likely the warmest temperatures ever recorded. and now they are only going to make climate change worse. the director of the institute of arctic and alpine research at the university of colorado, boulder joins me from a cabin in canada. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> can you help us understand what is going on on the arctic right now? what is driving this intense heat wave? >> let me start with an analogy. when ourme bodies own with a fever, we stopped, we realize there is a problem, and we provide care. that is exactly what is

happening tods. the arctic feverish with temperatures spiki above 100 degrees fahrenheit in multiple locations. e extreme temperatures are very unusual, theyinre record-bre this is trend.of a longer-term last summer was a warm period in the arctic. ait is part o trend that we anticipate wille bec more frequent because of climate change. >> there is a high-pressure ngstem over the arctic, which is mahis particular issue, but you are saying the longer-term trend of a warming atmosphere is really being felt inhe arctic very sharply? >> that's exactly right. this is part of a persistent warming trend, but at the same time the best tools we have at ourin disposahe scientific

community, our climateodels predict more extreme conditions. this is truee all around world. we are seeing are extreme conditions in storms. precipitation.ditions in that is the same in the arctic. we are seeing more extreme temperature changes and this is consistent with our predictions into the future. >> what are some of the impacts of that? for people who might look at that and say the arctic is very far away from me -- what are some of the consequences of this warming trend? >> these arctic changes will affect everyone on the globef or a numberasons. the first is that when the arctic is warm, it changes und the patterns all a worl the heatwave is triggering very rapid wildfires. the arctic is literally and figuratively on fire. this is likely to get worse as

is heatwave continues through the summer. the emissionsos from wildfires, they release greenhouse gases to the atmosphere, so that affects climate of the entire planet through the greenhouse gas efct. but the emissions from wildfires also affect air quality. these smoke plumes don't stay in the arctic. they dft globally with atmospheric circulation. last summer when the arctic was set on fire because of warm coitions, smoke plumes reached the western united states and affected air quality. these impacts in the arctic are very strong locally. there are many people who live in the arctic could dend on stable, frozen ground. they are impacted. >> i mentioned also that there warming and melting o the permafrost. for people who may not be familiar with what permaost is

and why it's melting could impact climate change, could you explain that esther and mark >> it is the glue ofrcc ecosystems, the backbone upon which the soil and the vegetation and the animals depend on. it is frozen ground. its defined by its temperature. it can be frozen rock, frozen ground. the arctic today is shapedy permafrost, but we are seeing widespread evidence onultiple continents that permafrost is thawing as a result of climate change. in many places this can cause catastrophic impacts on the landscape. lakes can literally disappear in the period of a few weeks. ethese lakes that have been used as fishing grounds for generation and they simp disappear because theermafrost

thaws and it is like pulling the plug out of a bathtub. fall o the water is allowed to it is important to supporting life in the ark. of theosphere and benefitthgut climate fosands of years. once permafrost thaws, that carbon is now vulnerable to microbial decomposition and it can be re-released into the atmosphere. it's fate is unknown and scientists are trying to figure out just how much of that carbon willnd up in the atmosphere and what impacts it will have on our climate. >> such an important topic, thank you for your insight. >> thank you. ♪ judy: hopes for peace arele

st 70 years tthe day from the start of the korean war the continent remains divid. despitefforts from the south to ease tensions the north has returned to an aggressive posture. ou special correspondent has a report from seoul. >> under the cover of night, activists in south korea released large balloons into the north across the demilitarized zone. this activist exclaims that is their th balloon launch. the heavy payloadsave infuriated north korea. one north korean defector is the head of fighters for free north korea who has agreed to meet in a park. he shows off the leaflets he attaches to the balloons. they call kim jong-un a devil who had his own brother killed. >> the people in north korea

they think of kim jong-un as ant god and they look upo, some soda deity. if they know the truth, they won't think he is a god and that is his biggest fear. >> he says the biggest truth will eventually bake -- he sayse the tru's it will eventually break kim's grasp. vethe south korean ment plans to introduce a law that would punish the activists in a move widely seen as trying to prolong diplomacy with the north. north korea has lashed out at seoul for not stopping the in a very dramatic move, they blew up an office building just north the demilitarized zone the two sides used for talks. kim's sister also threaten to use nort korea's military, the noh korea state military has

since reported leader kim will be holding off any military acon. under president moon jae-in's peace initiatives, south korea has so little criticism from they have discussed the years. possibility of k jong-un traveling down this road after president moon jae-imhad invited ere. that now seems like a distant possibility. a special advisor to the president says the leaflets may ha been a step through -- step too far as kim struggles domestically. >> he could have become very angry because these kind of things are happening when north korea is facing the fear of coronavirus and economic difficulties. dv>> the specialor also suspects kim is frustrated after smultiplemits with president moon and u.s. president trump that haven't led to east kim met trump in hanoi to cut a

deal. he would ease up on his nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief. talks collapsed after north korea agreed to dismantle part of its nuclear complex, but washington wanted all of it. konorth an negotiators did not budge. a new book by trump' national security advisor john bolton e.ggests a deal on disarmament was never possi fulton writes that trump u.s. interests at risk for a historic he claims president moon wprioritized improving tih the north, but discounted any serious strategy. south korea has responded that bolton's accounts are inaccurati and distort r. u.s. two south korea harry harris says he has not discussed the book with south korea and its alliance with the u.s. is celebrate together ourt we achievements over the past 70

years and that we honor the ifsae of the koreans, the americans, and the fors from the other states for their sacrifices during the korean war. >> across the country this week, ceremonies have been held to remember the sacrifices. for some who served, there is still bitterness. >>sell t provocations from north korea over 70 years, we can't solve this by just talking. what do we get out of a u.s. president holding a summit with the north? it shows they are a bunch ofsa liars anges. >> kim is among south korean war veterans participating in the veterans ceremony. every year, the church hosts korean war veterans from around e world to thank them for their service and remember those who died in the conflict. the covid-19 pandemic prevented foreign veterans from traveling this yearinuding american,

canadian, filipino, and thai veterans, but they are still on stage, streaming live into the event with family and friends. retired abe active m of the military remember the fallen and sent video messages expressing gratitude. the atmosphere is one of hope despite the war that continues to divide a nation and a people. for the pbs newshour, i'm ruth severson in seoul. ♪ \ -- i'm bruce harrison in seoul . ♪ judy: more americans are ordering takeout as restaurants limit dine in service during the coronavirus pandemic. more customers a restaurants are relying on food delivery apps. models have long-term stayingess

power. it isart of our weekly economics segment "making cents ." >> grub hub and more, all competing to deliver restaurant food to shut in consumers, so restaurant own ds likemond riley of chicken and whiskey are ecstatic, right? >> the price that we pay to these services to make this ahappen, it take of our profits. these numbers are anywherero 22% to 30%. there is really minimal left over for us. youma could matcally put yourself out of business if you only had delivery service and you had no walk-in, sit-down traffic. >> the chef owner of a high-end d.c. restaurant ausually stopped ing the services entirely. >>ight now, we are the ones that are delivering. i've delivered quite a bit. one of my employees has a car. the other apps weren't doing anything in terms of marketing

for us. >> so not great for restaurants. but don't these apps at least provide work to delivery drivers ring the jobless pandemic? we m one driving for uber in san francisco, but now? >> there is not that much people requesting orders -- uber since everyone stays at home and the only thing that is more busy is >> so he switched.. the pay however? >> l it ise half of what we used to make. after expenses, your hour might be somewhereen betive dollars to $10 an hour. and that a in city like san francisco doesn't even cover living expenses. >> weight, unhappy restaurants, unhappy workers? ok,us but how about themers? >> i have mixed feelings about it. >> t only reason we would use it if there is some sort of

discount or promotion. >> i think we will get away from the apps and going out other to pick up directlyua or to ay go and sit and enjoy. >> but someone must in acquittal we benefit question -- unequivocay benefit? investors. >> uber eats does not make money. we have been very public abou the fact that it is not profitable y. >> neither our competitors. >> the platforms lose a ton of money, in the hundreds of millions of dollars, billions coectively. >> count him a skeptic. >>,'s desk customers complain if the fees get too high and the drivers and careers are underpaid gig labor. >> which raises the question that motivated the story which i put to an investor. why does this business even make sense? >> i'm not sure it does and they

are still trying to figure out how to make money even today. >> that is after years of trying in a market that doe bnot get anter than this. but how can ventureha capitaliss poured in $1 billion? >> everyone is searching for omyield in capacity and trying to find any opportunity they can. >> what he means is that with historically low interest rates for years now, those with money returns.erate for higher a veteran venture capitalist has seen ifirsthand. invest a large checks andto potentially big outcomes has outweighed the ability for us to sort of discern good fromad returns on capital. >> so there ish too money chasing too few opportunities. >> in a nutshell, that is it. >> so investors areke willing to isks on startups that might seem, well, daffy. >> i can remember one that was a

robotics pizza delivery business. >> p a fundich for a start up called zume. >> it was going to use ai to understand the desires of its customers and they would have the trucks drive throu neighborhoods at exactly the right time to deliver exactly e right pizza made by the robot sitting in the back of the ultimately, i said, has abody tasted the pizza? we ordered a pizza. it was i the worst pizad ever had. >> he argued against backing zume,ud but the japanese giant fund softbankn plunked d nearly $400 million. the business went bust in just ov a year. but look, taking a flyer on wild ideas sometimes pays off. >> hundredsf o millions of dollars gets poured into failures all the time and on the other side, there are always

these extraordinary phenomenons that come out of nowhere. >> so back to the basic question one last time. is there any hope for these firms? >>to these companies hav consolidate. >> leaving the industry to a single player or two, which is itself to the dutch foodsold usdelivery jt eat take away two weeks ago. as for the remaining players, they are offering ever steeper run the weaker firms off the track. even if their winds up being a winner -- >> they will only make money if one driver picks upom orders one restaurant and delivers them to different customers at once. >> fedex or amazon drivers deliver to well over a hundred customers a da who can deliver that many meals relying on underpaid drivers and on restaurants so unhappy with the commissions that some cities have put temporary ceilings on what the apps can charge during

the pandemic? ceilings that make the business even more unprofitable. small wonder the industry opposes them. >> ultimately, even though these policies might be ntwelltioned, that ends up hurting the people these policies are intending to help. when prices go up, that means there will be fewer orders in the system. when there are fewer orders, restaurants are earning less. >> finally, should the caps become permanent? >> it would be are fundamental ink of the entire business model. >> a business model that at the moment seems kind of shaky as it is. s pbnewshour. judy:ou tout the pandemic, we have been highlighting courageous front-line workers whory have kept this cou

running. tonight, we hear from bridget rhodes, who works as a 911 dispatcher portland, oregonsh has been the kong voice on the other end of the line for many suffing with covid-19. >> i live in portland and i'm a 911 dispatcher. we dispatched police officers, firefighters, paramedics. weal people through cpr, we deliver babies basically anything you can think of that needs a police response, we are ther we are considered essential ause without us one is going to necessarily receive the help they need. cyou can'tl an officer on the phone or a firefighter or an ambulance. you ha to go through us. ♪ i came into theat nine 11 diing by accident. but it is the best accident i probably had. i wouldn't change this career

for anything my favorite thing is helping people. from saving lives to ma be assisting an elderly person that isn't aware of what to do right now, especially during this covid-19 virus. we get a lot of resource referral calls.being able to hey as best i can even though i'm just on the phone. when y have someone calling and frantic, we go through a lot of training wheresp you have ific questions you need to ask. just having a flow a being nfident helps direct the caller on where we want them to be and help bring the down a level to be able to answer the questions. o st being able that combing voice for not only callers, but your officers or firefighters tt might be in an intense situation. the flu like slyptoms is prob the number one type of call medically that we are getting right nowor the shortness of breath. when we are cl takers, probably the worst part is talking t that onerson who thinks they are feeling ok and

you are talking to them on the phone and they are describing the symptoms they have and two minutes during that phone call, you realize that they passed while they were on the phone with you via you just try to be there for somebody if you realize that they might not make it by the time your responders get there. and calm them.y there with them if they want to talk to you, talk back. communicate with them until they are ready to not talk to you anymore. 've told people in the past that their life matters. my name bridget rhodes and this is my brief, but spectacular take on being a 911 dispatcher. judy: to all the 911 dispatchers, we owe you our thanks. you can find allf our brief, but spectacular segments online at pbs.org//brief. -- pbs.org/newshour/brief.

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