>> i'm john roberts in for chris wallace. tension between united states and iran to boil overld leaders prepare to meet at the united nations. ♪ speak of is the highest sanctions ever imposed on a country. we've never done it to this level. >> john: the united states continues its campaign of maximum pressure on the islamic regime and the president has approved the deployment of u.s. forces, which will be defensive in nature. >> john: points the finger at tehran for those saudi oil attacks. >> we know precisely who conducted these attacks, it was iran. >> we will ask secretary of state mike pompeo about the options on the table live only on "fox news sunday" ." then, we will get democrat ben y member of the senate foreign relations committee.

it's a "fox news sunday" exclusive. plus, reports the president had an inappropriate phone call with the president of ukraine. >> did you discuss joe biden, his son, or his family? >> it doesn't matter what i discussed. it's a partisan whistle-blower. >> i know i'm up against it. abuser. he abuses power everywhere you can. >> john: we will discuss with president trump's personal lawyer rudy giuliani. plus, ask or send a panel how the growing controversy is fueling impeachment talks. all right now on on "fox news sunday" ." ♪ and hello again from fox news in washington, the war of words over the saudi oil attacks, which the united states blames on iran, has turned into action, the pentagon announcing it will send more troops to the region to boost security for allies and president trump approving new sanctions on iran's central bank

but the president also signaling he is not inclined to offer an immediate real dorry strike, which the iranian regime has declared would mean all-out war. in a moment we will speak with the top diplomat, mike pompeo, who just returned from saudi arabia and abu dhabi, but first, kevin corke is traveling with the president, who has a rally today in houston with the indian prime minister. kevin, good morning. >> john, good day to be with you. we will have more on that rally coming up in just a few moments, but by any measure, the iranians are suffering greatly under this latest round of u.s. sanctions, just one of many weapons in the u.s. arsenal as it considers what to do next about iran's saudi attack. >> we have just sanctions the iranian national bank. it's going to be at the highest level of sanctions. >> we will see what happens, a familiar refrain from president trump. when asked with the u.s. might do next to us respond to iran's attacks on saudi oil fields.

iran denies it was behind the president has authorized sendin request. >> is the president has made clear, the united states does not seek conflict with iran. that said, we have many other military options available should they be necessary. >> the strikes, which washington says can prove came from iran, have pushed the regent to the brink. for its part, to iran is threatening to escalate the violence should the u.s. or the saudis attack even in limited form. >> a limited invasion will not remain limited. we have proven it before. >> that warning comes under jay that saw the ridging -- a series of parades to mark the 39th anniversary of the start of the iran-iraq war and comes months after the iranians downed and a american surveillance drone in international airspace. this in a week that will see a gathering of world leaders at united nations general assembly

in new york where iranian president hossein will present a golf security plan. >> all this as the u.s. welcomes another world leader, this time if the prime minister of india. he's here for a texas rally with president trump. it is set to be the largest american audience to see a foreign leader speak other than the pope. we will bring it to you throughout the day, but for now thank you. >> john: the president with an afternoon event with scott morrison, the prime minister of australia as well. we will see you soon, thanks. joining me now from new york is secretary of state mike pompeo, come back to "fox news sunday." >> secretary pompeo: it's great to be with you. >> john: earlier in the week you said of the attack against the saudi oil facilities that it was "an act of war" and you said that iran was definitely behind it. when you say something is an act of war, does that demand ultimately a military response? >> secretary pompeo: john, our mission set has been very clear,

president trump would like to have a diplomatic solution, that's the task that's in front of us. that's what we've been aiming for for a little over years now with the strongest sanctions that have ever been put in place against this revolutionary regime. the terror from iran, and anti-semitic set of leaders that would like to wipe israel and america from the face of the earth. our mission set is to avoid war. if you saw with secretary esper on friday, we are putting additional forces in the region for the purpose of deterrence and defense. the objective is very clear, to support the running people so they can get this regime to cease behaving the way that is so destructive not only to their own country, but to the entire middle east. >> john: mr. secretary, there are reports this morning that militants in yemen have warned both saudi arabia and the united states that iran may be planning another attack in saudi arabia, is that true? >> secretary pompeo: i've certainly not reporting and i won't talk about american intelligence on what we know but

suffice it to say we are consistently concerned that iran will continue to behave in the way that it has now for 40 years, did so before the jcpoa, it did so during the jcpoa and they continue to act in ways that are inconsistent with our obligations. i'm here this week at united nations, i traveled to jeddah and abu dhabi this week, the whole world understands that iran is the bad actor. they are the evil force and the reason mike region, they are destabilizing the middle east and hope this week in new york the world will come together to push back against this and convince the iranian leadership that this behavior is simply on acceptable. if >> john: that may be a tough hill to climb though, yes? >> secretary pompeo: i think there's a handful of countries that are actually supportive of what iran is doing, certainly unwilling to push back but it's the case, this is the world's responsibility to respond from these state on state acts of war that take place in saudi arabia this past week. >> john: if iran were to launch in the middle of all of this attack against saudi arabia, where the united states have any other

option but to respond militaril militarily? >> secretary pompeo: unlike the previous administered in, we do our best to avoid talking about what we will do, but the american people should know just like the iranian people should know america is prepared to respond in ways that are consistent with america's national security interests. our first aim of horses to keep the american people safe and secure a part of them is to make sure that we have all the things in place so that we can do that. >> john: mr. secretary, many military and foreign policy experts, even member of the president's own support group believe that in calling off the retaliatory strike in response to that drone shootdown at the last minute, the president signaled to iran that there are no consequences for its malign activities, what do you say to that criticism? >> secretary pompeo: first of all, there have been consequences, real consequences. the iranian economy will shrink by between ten and 15% in the year in front of us and we took a handful of actions, some of which i can't talk about here so there were certainly consequences. if the iranians are looking for a green light -- the iranians

have behaved poorly for 40 years so it's not the case that any particular response has allowed the iranians to think they have freedom to move about the cabin. i assure you of this, the iranian leadership understands that president trump will take appropriate action and it imposed appropriate costs on iran if they continue to act in a way that they've done over these past now 40 years. >> john: you mentioned, mr. secretary, at the beginning of this, the sanctions president trump put on iran on friday. you said there were sanctions at the highest level. if if the sanctions don't work, what's next? with left? the two they are, working. the essential ban on iran's to sell its crude oil around the world took effect only in may of this year. >> john: don't work to bring iran to the table. >> secretary pompeo: a secretary esper set on friday night, where preferred to act in ways that are necessary in order to achieve the outcome president trump is very clearly laid out. i talked about it a year ago, we know what the objectives are, we

simply want iran to behave like a normal nation. >> john: mr. secretary, is it possible that if there were a retaliatory military strike against iran that would be able to be contained, or would it, is the iranian revolutionary guard council have warned, erupt into all-out conflagration in the middle east, which would likely involve u.s. bases in the region, would likely also possibly involve israel? >> secretary pompeo: we are certainly deeply aware of the risks, that's why we want to resolve this in a way that doesn't resort to kinetic action if it's at all possible to achieve that. i don't know why nobody listens to him, he has nothing to do with it iranian foreign policy. he lies all the time. we need to make sure that we do the right thing to protect and secure america and do our to provide the resources to the emirates and the saudis, for i had a chance to speak to this week on my trip, so that they have increased capability to defend themselves and their own people and when we do those things, i'm confident that we will have set the conditions for deterrence and effect deterrence

should continue to fill i'm also confident president trump will the actions necessary. >> john: we will see what happens if united nations this week, see you there later on, let's switch to the whistle-blower complaint, we still don't know the exact substance of the complaint but it does seem to revolve around a july 25th conversation the president had with the ukrainian president and we have heard from reporting in "the wall street journal" that the president asked him about eight times to have the ukraine work with his attorney rudy giuliani to investigate joe biden and his son hunter biden's involvement in holdings in a ukrainian natural gas company. to your mind, is that an appropriate conversation for rudy giuliani to be havino commy report i haven't seen in some reporting i have no idea if it has any foundation whatsoever. as for appropriate action, i've watched the president engage with ukrainian leadership while listening to conversations.

remember the previous demonstration refusing to sign defensive weapon systems to ukraine, this president has chosen not to do that once, twice, but now three times so the ukraine people could fight back against the overtaking of southeast ukraine. if you remember it was the previous administration that allowed vladimir putin to take one fifth of the ukrainian country. we're going to see the president of ukraine this week. i hope do hope that if vice president biden behave in an appropriate if he had a conflict of interest or allowed something to take place in a green that interfered with our elections, i do hope we get to the bottom of that. >> john: mr. secretary, he said to her knots in the complaint, not many people have. i assume that you've seen a transcript of the telephone call that the president had. should a transcript of that be released to clear the air? >> secretary pompeo: i will ultimately lead to the white house but you know, john, those are private conversations between world leaders and it's not often that those are released and when they're done, it's done when the white house

deems it appropriate and i will leave whether that should be released to them. >> john: again, i assume that you've seen the transcript. is it as described in "the wall street journal"? >> secretary pompeo: i haven't seen the wall street during to journal please. it is a lot going on the world. >> john: the whistle-blower complaint reportedly alleges a quid pro quo or promise made. "the wall street journal" reports there was no evidence of a quid pro quo in the call. it was there a quid pro quo -- was there a request to investigate biden and/or his son and was that linked to a promise of aid? >> secretary pompeo: john, i've watched this president evaluate how and when and to the extent we should provide support to ukraine, both defense systems and other foreign assistance, we've been at the center of those conversations, they've been 100% appropriate, 100% lawful 100% to ensuring that american taxpayers are protected, that would put those resources to good use and we've

got good outcomes in ukraine when we used american taxpayer dollars to support the ukrainian leadership. every single time. >> john: if there was a quid pro quo, with a be a problem? >> secretary pompeo: you're asking me to provide legal analysis on a hypothetical report i haven't seen. come on. >> john: if an american leader says to a foreign leader we will do this and it might've something to do with usa in exchange for this, is that a problem? >> secretary pompeo: if the case we have foreign assistance that is evaluated against american objectives consistentl consistently. it's my duty to protect america by making sure that one foreign assistance is provided to countries, that america benefit from that, it's completely appropriate to make sure american taxpayer dollars are used appropriately. >> john: do believe there should be an investigation into hunter biden's involvement with ukrainian gas company? >> secretary pompeo: i will leave it to others but i certainly think it's appropriate if there's concerns and there's enough information to justify looking into it.

if the american people deserve to know if that was handled in an appropriate way by vice president biden. >> john: before we go, mr. secretary, are you rolling out a run for the senate from kansas next year? >> secretary pompeo: upset the same thing for a as long as president trump is going to have me as secretary of state, which i hope is a long time, that's what i'm going to continue to do. >> john: i'm sure he wants u.s. secretary of state for a long time i'm just wondering if you still have aspirations for the senate. >> secretary pompeo: it's what i want to do too. i want to be president trump secretary of state. >> john: we will see later on in new york. thanks for joining us. following all the action at the united nations general assembly. coming up, president trump's personal attorney rudy giuliani joins us live in washington on the whistle-blower complaint as impeachment talk amplifies. impeachment talk amplifies. ♪ . impeachment talk amplifies. ♪ doers need energy. and demand for it is expected to grow. so chevron's finding more homegrown energy, more precisely. digitizing the way we work with advanced data analytics helping us develop more productive wells. and we're exploring ways to use renewable energy

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>> john: interactions between president trump, rudy giuliani, and the president of ukraine are under scrutiny following reports of a whistle-blower complaint claiming the president urged to the ukrainian to investigate the son of former vice president joe biden potentially influencing the 2020 race. joining me live in washington to talk more about this is rudy giuliani. welcome back to foxman sunday. >> rudy: how are you? >> john: i'm good, thanks for joining us. let's clear something up, dial the clock back to thursday, play this exchange between you and chris cuomo on cnn and what you appear to first say you didn't ask ukraine to investigate joe biden and/or his son and then you seem to change her mind. listen here. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no, actually i didn't -- >> you never ask anything about hunter biden, never asked anything about joe biden? >> the only thing i asked a

bunch of varnish to get to the bottom of how it was -- he was appointed, dismissed the case against -- >> so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden. >> corseted ex-lax because you just said you didn't. spirited you ask the ukraine to look into it? >> rudy: said to me did i ever talk about joe biden, i said no. then i said i did say you should investigate joe biden and hunter biden. i corrected it immediately. i corrected it before he corrected it. the reality is the distinction is this, what they are trying to say as i went there for a political mission to kind of get joe biden in trouble. it ridiculous. i went there as a lawyer defending his client. i've known about this for five months. i've been trying to get people to cover this for five months sentiment will be very hard to get this out. one problem with this, it ukrainian collusion, which was large, significant, and proven. with hillary clinton, with the democratic national committee, with the ambassador. with an fbi agent who's now been

hired by george soros, who was funding a lot of it. when biden got the prosecutor fired, the new prosecutor, who biden approved -- you don't get to approval prosecutor in a foreign country and left fishy is going on. new prosecutor dropped the case not just on biden 'skid and a crooked company that biden 'skid work for, that was done as a matter of record in october of 2016 after the guy got tanked. he also dropped the case on george soros' company. if the company where there's documentary evidence that they were producing false information about trump, about biden, fusion gps was there. go back and listen to nellie ohr's testimony. nellie ohr says there's a lot of contract between democrats and the ukraine. i have all the contacts and, john, when the rest of this comes out, when you look at china in the 1.5 billion that the biden family took out of

china while that guy was negotiating for us, this will be a lot bigger than spiro agnew. they have fallen into a trap. >> john: 's we went over there to investigate alleged ukrainian interference in the 2016 election? when did this morph into an investigation of joe biden and hunter biden and is it appropriate for you as a representative of the president to be going to ukraine in finding dirt on joe biden and/or his son to use politically in 2020? >> rudy: that's the way you characterize it. >> john: that's the way to paris to want to burden >> rudy: no it doesn't. >> john: whatever one thing and found out something else and that's we've been digging -- >> rudy: this began with someone coming to me saying this information can clear your client about the corruption in ukraine between the ukraine, the democratic party, the ambassador and the fbi agent who investigated -- >> john: but then it morphs into biden. >> rudy: inextricably combined because biden had the guy fired. by the way, his statement is on

record. lazy press could go read it. it don't have to listen to me. ecord available on here that nobody has covered for five months because this town protects joe biden. his family has been taking money from his public office for year years. $1.5 billion from china when our vice president is supposed to be impartially and independently negotiating for us and the kid, he takes him on air force to china. >> john: that was in 2013. >> rudy: indicate unfortunately as a drug addict. china didn't give 1.5 billion to his kid -- biden 'skit, a recovering drug addict. carrie's stepson and "whitey" bulger's nephew. ladies and gentlemen, go look at what the process been covering up on you. can you imagine -- >> john: this is a company called rosemont senegal. let me just come back on if i could for a second. >> rudy: "whitey" bulger's nephew. >> john: let me just offer

secondary >> rudy: 1.5 billion coming from china for our vice president. >> john: mr. mayor, let me stop for a second because we are throwing around a lot of ukrainian names that people don't know about. >> rudy: because you never cover this. >> john: he was a prosecutor back when biden was the vice president. he was looking into paris' holdings, of which hunter biden was on the board of directors. there were some allegations that there was some monkey business going on. joe biden went over to ukraine in 2016 and said that i'm going to withhold more than a billion dollars in loan guarantees and less you fire this prosecutor. joe biden talked about that in 2018, let's roll that. >> i said i'm telling you you're not getting a billion dollars. you're not getting a billion, i'm going to be leaving here, i think it was six hours. leaving at six hours on the prosecutor is not fired, you're not getting the money. >> john: but they had been heavily criticized for corruption and it was the

united states in a number of other western countries who said he needs to go. so was this tied to hunter biden or was this the united states saying you've got a bad actor there because he was accused of corruption in his office and other countries in the west were saying he needs to go as well. >> rudy: what does it matter if the sun is under investigation -- he didn't disclose that. doesn't think strike you -- it is so warped. doesn't it strike you as strange that he would tell that story not mentioned here that you that his son's company was the major defendant in the investigation the guy was carrying on? i happen to know, and i've seen the records, to know what he was fired? to know how the kid was paid? $3 million goes from ukraine to cyprus -- i'm sorry, ukraine to latvia, latvia to cyprus. cyprus to rosemont seneca. i've seen each one of the wires. when that prosecutor subpoenaed cyprus, he got a response, i have the record. they gave him all the information to people, hunter

biden and john kerry's stepson -- i'm sorry, john kerr john kerry's speechwriter who was the best friend of his stepson. when that happened, joe biden knew that they were zeroing in on hunter and he went over there and got him fired in the next day people showed up and they started on getting the case for the kid dismissed as well as the case for sorrows, and that's what brings me into it. you can't let me finish, you said i want there to get dirt on joe biden. to know what i found out about joe biden? do know what i told my colleagues? they are going to cover this up. too bad biden is involved in this, i got a nice straight taste of ukrainian collusion. the minute i say biden, that washington press corps is going to go nuts. they've been covering up for years, china, plagiarism. >> john: know your stranger is -- >> rudy: i'm straying into what is wrong with us today. >> john: we need to point out that the prosecutor who was appointed afterwards

resurrected, reanimated the case and found that hunter biden was in fact paid millions of dollars but he said that the board of charisma was able to pay a board member whatever they wanted and he didn't see anything they wanted dominic wrong with that. >> rudy: if you did any work you find out he's the prosecutor that biden put in. there's a newspaper article in which biden approves him when he's appointed. doesn't that strike you as odd that the vice president would approve a particular prosecutor? did you ever bother to look -- let me finish. >> john: one other point we need to make your imperium speech are not going to answer the question -- this is really unfair. these are very important things that have been covered up for years to protect slimy joe. the reality is that there are three of the prosecutors were all you have to do is go online. three others that say that this is done precisely to get rid of biden, to cover up hunter and to cover up sorrows.

one of them is constantine -- the third one is a prosecutor -- three of them were officials, one is still an official. if you bothered to look you can listen to them on tape telling you that. they may all be lying but he may be lying also, but it's three to one. >> john: one more point with her to make. >> rudy: biden's approach and prosecutor. >> john: you made your point, one more point to make -- >> rudy: great deal of suspicion. >> john: joe biden told our peter doocy yesterday that he never discussed overseas business with his son hunter. do you believe that? >> rudy: i'm flying my son to china. how long is the flight to china? >> john: its a while. >> rudy: 15 hours, 16 hours -- i'm flying my son to china on air force too. i'm going to negotiate with the chinese drop america. my son is going there to negotiate -- he comes back and

eight days later the kid gets a billion dollars in his part, critic it was private equity fund run by recovering drug addict, somebody connected to the vice president of the united states and connected to the biggest gangster in america. it weighed a second, the sun doesn't say to him i got a billion dollars? it's contradicted by the sun. the sun set i talked to my father about it. there was an article on decemben "the new york times" raising holy hell about biden's son being on the board of the most corrupt company in ukraine and how strange it looked. i don't know if joe reads the newspapers but something must have read that to him and finally, if joe didn't know what his son was doing a broad how may conflicts are there? this guy was flying blind. did he get money from russia? did he get money from cuba? you're telling me that the vice president of the united states was there for eight years.

taking the lives of some adversary of the united states. this is about the only time i got to point out a tremendously large scandal that affects the american people and it's your job to do it, not just mine. i'm doing it to defend my client. >> john: we are out of time. >> rudy: if you're telling me that he had no system with his son to check on conflicts -- so we know of two. we know there's a big conflict with ukraine. we have is a big conflict with china. since joe says and is apparently selling the swamp media on the fact that he didn't know, joe, how many more conflicts are there? venezuela, cuba -- spew what we've got to leave it buried him >> rudy: 1.5 billion is enough -- >> john: we are out of time for this one we clearly we are going to keep looking into this. >> rudy: and this is going to get bigger and bigger and everything i say i can prove. >> john: thanks so coming up, we will get reaction to the president's iran policy with the top democrat on the foreign relations committee, senator ben cardin joins us here

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it's going to be at the highest level extinctions. >> john: we will ask our sunday panel whether the move

♪ >> john: of the united states boosts its defenses in the middle east after blaming iran for the attacks on saudi oil facilities, the islamic regime says it's ready for any scenario. joining here in washington, senator ben cardin, the top democrat on the foreign relations committee, welcome back to "fox news sunday." >> senator cardin: were to be with you, thank you. >> john: the u.s. is sending more troops and defensive weapons to saudi arabia and united arab emirates to counter the threat coming from iran. your thoughts about sending more men and material there? >> senator cardin: this is a very dangerous situation, there could easily be a miscalculation. the temperature couldn't be harder between united states and

iran. our job is to isolate iran. iran is the bad actor and with the president needs to do is get an international coalition to continue to work against iran's support of terrorism. the challenge of course as the united states has been isolated when the president withdrew from the iran nuclear agreement, so we are having difficulty with our european allies to get the type of support we need, but we have to isolate iran. >> john: there are reports apparently to saudi arabia and the united states, i don't know if you saw my question to the secretary of state, that iran is planning another attack in saudi arabia. if iran were in the middle of all of this to launch another attack at saudi arabia, would that demand a military response? >> senator cardin: there's really not a military solution to the problem of iran. we need to make diplomacy work. clearly there could be a miscalculation. we have to defend ourselves, no question about that, but we have to reduce where we are, where we could have this miscalculation.

it would be disastrous if we got into a fighting war in iran. if it will have consequences throughout the entire region and it's not in our national security interests. >> john: the united states ramping up sanctions on iran, withdrawing from the jcpoa, which you yourself didn't vote for and iran is countering the shooting down american drones, firing missiles and launching drones at saudi oil facilities. they are in a shooting war. so is this -- if you let someone fire at you and you don't shoot back, are you not showing weakness? >> senator cardin: here's the fault of the trump policies. before we withdrew from the iran nuclear agreements there were sanctions against iran for the nonnuclear violations. we could have had that international support and tightens the economic pressure against iran but still stay within the nuclear agreement. by pulling out of the nuclear agreement, if the view of europe

that this is an american problem rather than an international problem. >> john: you know the arguments, this president said it covers the nuclear, but there's a sunset clause every decade, which isn't much when you look at the history of nuclear development but it also does not do anything to reign in iran's malign activities. i pointed out, you yourself did not vote for the jcpoa because you are worried about future uranium enrichment. so why stay in a bad deal? >> senator cardin: i agree with that analysis but the way to fix it is to work with europe, work with our partners to deal with the nonnuclear violations, strengths and the sanctions on the nonnuclear side, make sure they stay in compliance with the nuclear obligations. they were in compliance with the nuclear obligations when united states pulled out. the bottom line is, we made it -- we isolaed the bad actor. there's no question about it. if we don't what

there are still five agreement. >> senator cardin: the issue is we don't know how iran is calculating this but we do know that the u.s. sanctions is having a major impact on their economy. so the benefits they thought they were going to get under the nuclear agreement they are no longer getting buried that's causing them to recalculate. >> john: for the moment, president trump says he is showing restraint about iran. he's got people like secretary pompeo saying it's an act of war, others are pointing fingers like mark esper and pompeo at iran. the president saying i'm going to sit back and wait to see how this plays out. let's hear what he said the other day. >> i think the strong person's approach the thing that does show strength -- much easier to do with the otheruch and iran knows if they misbehave they are on borrowed time. >> john: 's we've got the president aids on the one hand

saying act of war, iran is responsible, the president saying i'm waiting and seeing her buried his leaving the door open to negotiation even amidst all this tough talk. could that be a good strategy to try to bring them to the table? >> senator cardin: i think it's an important week with all the world leaders, most of the world leaders meeting up in new york for the opening of your general assembly of the united nations. i hope that we can get that type of unity with the international community in regards to iran so that the military option is not the right option. i agree with secretary pompeo that diplomacy should be the way we proceed. i agree with that. hopefully this week we can get the type of support in new york to make a difference in the calculation by iran so they stop these horrible things. what they're doing is horrible, we can't let them continue to do that. >> john: limit switch to this intelligence committee inspector general whistle-blower report. "wall street journal" reported on friday for the president had ig times pressured him to have ukraine work with judy

will to rudy giuliani to investigate joe biden. the ukrainian foreign minister said "i know what the competition is about and i think there was no pressure," so you have democrats on the one side calling for the president's impeachment over this and then you have the ukrainian foreign minister saying i don't see any pressure. >> senator cardin: i think we need to know what happened buried the allegations are that the president used the power of his office for partisan political purposes, jeopardizing the national security of the united states by withholding aid to ukraine, one of our key strategic partners. >> john: nobody has made the connection about a year. we don't even know this things about. >> senator cardin: some reports that $250 million were held up. >> john: i think people connected the dots but i don't think we have anything really to back that up. >> senator cardin: well let's find out. let's have transparency here. we can easily find that out, information about those phone calls would be released and we

could see exactly what's involved. but the president has chosen at least to date not to release that information. these are serious allegations, let's find out. i don't want to reach a conclusion, i'm just suggesting to you that an allegation the president used his political office for, jeopardizing our nationalohn: ie made to launch an investigation into joe biden and his son hunter biden's -- their involvement in ukraine? this is what the president said and what joe biden said the other day. >> somebody ought to look into joe biden's statement because it was disgraceful where he talked about billions of dollars that he is not getting to a certain country and less a certain prosecutor is taken off the cas case. >> not one single credible outlet has given any credibility to his assertion, not one single one, so i have no comment except

the president -- >> john: in fact a lot of credible news organizations, including "the new york times," have been looking into this, ken vogel, the reporter who wrote about it -- there's the arti frt this could be a significant issue for joe biden and there's more there. >> senator cardin: well, i know what happened in 2015 with the prosecutor. if the international community needed that prosecutor to leave. i was one of the prosecutor to leave. corruption was the center problem we had with ukraine maintaining our coalition against russia with sanctions. and we had to deal with the corrupt issues and the prosecutor was in the center of that. so that was a policy that we wanted to implement. joe biden's issue has been looked at for a long time. there have been findings that there is no improper involvemen involvement. this is a distraction by the president of the united states to distract from his most recent situation. >> john: you don't want to prejudge the situation with the president and his whistle-blower but a lot of your democratic colleagues are already making

the leap to impeachment. is that going to farkhe which congress exercises its responsibility, checks and balances in our system. but you can't act on that type of a remedy until you have the s first. >> john: senator, always good to see you. thanks for coming in. coming up next we will bring in our send a group to discuss the prospects of a showdown between the united states and iran. ♪

>> i think it's abundantly clear and there is an enormous sick consensus in the region that we know precisely who conducted these attacks, it was iran.

>> what would be the consequence of an american or saudi military strike on iran no? >> an all-out war. >> john: top diplomats from this country and iran in a war of words this week over the fallout from the attacks on saudi arabia's oil industry and its time now for our sunday group, jonah goldberg from the national review, fox news political analyst juan williams, susan page of "usa today" and matthew continetti, founding editor of "the washington free beacon." are we going to work, susan, with iran? >> judging from your interview with secretaryould say probably not. you asked them if it's an active word that demand a military response and he repeatedly declined to say yes and it judging from what the president date in june after the american drone was shot down and he backed away from a military strike, i think the odds are against us taking military action in this case. >> john: the fact that he backed away from that strike, does that mean he cannot take military action? >> no. if he could take military action at any time, he is the commander-in-chief. what we are seeing is the maximum pressure campaign of the

trumpet misprision has met maximum resistance from the iranian regime. in the cyber operations in the economic warfare that the trump white house has been waging against iran has yet to deter them from their malign behavior in the region. but, that status quo is something i think the president prefers to all-outuse military force. first of all, does he have to, and if you want to congress, would he get it? >> i think we would need more provocation than what would seem. i'm sort of a purist, i do think you should go to congress. unless it's in response to an immediate and urgent national security thing, been congress has the sole authority to authorize war but we've seen that eroded so much over the last 50 years, like so many other congressional prerogatives that i think it's anybody's guess. >> i think based on your question you can tell there's no clear end game inside. what we know is the president says he doesn't want war.

but he's previously also said we are locked and loaded in what was incredible to me was to hear him say that he's waiting for guidance to come from the saudi saudis. the iranians are no friends of ours but gosh, the saudis, i don't know if they are reliable and trustworthy regime. they kill american journalists, 9/11 is not to be forgotten. >> john: here's another argument that people may come of the states has sold saudi arabia and the president made a big deal of this, billions of dollars in military equipment. campus audis handle this themselves? >> i guess we are going to find out. if making this gesture to saudi arabia with very limited deployment but yes saudi arabia has a lot of defensive abilities, a lot of it provided by the united states, helped by the united states. >> but i think the key point here is iran has denied responsibility, but we have no reason to trust that they are not responsible, at least supporting the rebels. but the point from the american political perspective is we are

still trying to get out of afghanistan. there is no appetite in his country for starting another war without a clear end game insight, and the president has not provided that. >> and the president's policy reflects exactly that attitude. he doesn't want to get involved either. what's remarkable here, for 70 years plus, the united states has guaranteed the free flow of oil from the persian gulf.at isg because of fracking. >> john: let's get onto the whistle-blower issue here, president trump was leaving for houston a short time ago, he said this about his conversation with vladimir zelinski, the president of the ukraine back on july 25th. >> the conversation i had with the president of ukraine was absolutely perfect. and people better find out who these people are that are trying to subvert our country. because here we go again. these are bad people, but the conversation i had with the president of ukraine was

absolutely a ten. >> john: it was a ten. is there anything wrong with the president sank to the president of the ukraine, look, why don't you work with rudy giuliani and investigate what ties joe biden and hunter biden have two natural gas companies? >> soliciting foreign help in your campaign reelection for president of the united state and i think it's something people will generally find alarming. >> john: ukraine helped hillary clinton. >> would got to a whole bunch of things here. the idea -- people who are -- president trump has some weird messaging on this. on the one hand he says it's all made up in fake news. on the other hand he says he was spied on, which was soaked to just allegations are true. rudy giuliani comes on air today and take great umbrage at the accusation or insinuation that is a political hit man and he spends the next 7 minutes like one of the biggest political hit man i've ever seen. it could be -- i think there's a lot of smoke and foster going on

with what he's doing. it could all be true. if the president of the united states tried to bend national security based upon his own partisan self-interest, that would be very, very, very bad. the people who say he's just interested in corruption, this seems to be the only corruption case in the world is concerned about, the one about the guy who was beating him ten points in the balls. >> john: "washington examiner" had an article that suggested a whistle blower does not have firsthand knowledge of any of this, but the point is that if you're going to investigate the president, and there are 9,573 investigations to the president going on right now, should you not also investigate the person who might become president? >> a lot of conversations in washington over the last 48 hours have begun with the word if in the fact is we don't know. i think the advocates of impeachment in his case carry a heavy burden. one is that with the russian investigation, there's a whole lot of misreporting and factual inaccuracy in the actual reporting. two, when the mueller report came out, it did not provide the date o democrats wanted to impeach, and third, all of these

charges have illustrated, and rudy giuliani's interview with you, the potential to boomerang on the democratic party. >> john: so let me ask about the democratic party. you heard ben cardin say he doesn't want to prejudge anything. he wants the information, he wants to see this. you've got alexandria ocasio-cortez, elizabeth warren, myriad other democrats not even waiting for a shred of evidence here. if they are looking at reporting and saying impeach him come off with his head buried should they not wait -- do they not have the responsibility to wait until we know some facts here before we got on the impeachment road? >> yeah, i think everyone should wait but remember, there's no reason to wait on the transcript if, as the president describes it, nothing untoward took place. why is it that the administration is making such an effort to obstruct the congress from getting a transcript? >> john: it's not the transcript that they are holding back, it's the complaint. >> john: the complaint, the transcript, the whole thing. hae

justice department, stop what is the law. the law says that if you have an urgent complaint, the inspector general of the director of national intelligence would transfer that to the congress. it's not going >> previous presidents have also disputed the idea that the president has an obligation by statute to do that. it's a murky constitutional issue. >> the one democrat we haven't heard from calling for impeachment is the one democrat who counts, speaker nancy pelosi. she stepped a standard that we need to have a republicans need to be outraged, not just democrats and so far we haven't heard that. >> waiting for a long time. >> john: 15 seconds, show the transcript to be released? >> i think medical placement they should really should but there is the average dominic issue of executive privilege, governing foreign key medications. also needs to perspective. >> if this was obama, house or republicans would have -- >> john: we got to go. see you next sunday. coming up next, our "power player of the week" ," denzel washington and the club he says made him the man he is today. ♪ it's time to sell or trade in your car.

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>> john: for many children, the hours between three and 8:00 p.m. or when their futures are decided. as chris wallace reported last fall, one organization has opened its doors for almost 100 years to make sure kids have a place to go after school and stay out of trouble. at one of those kids became a household name and he is our "power player of the week" ." >> it's where i learned so many life lessons, just thinking i was having fun. >> john: to >> denzel washington is talking with the boys & girls club's of america. 4,000 local clubsde after-school programs for more than 4 million young people. and in the process, change lives. he was in washington last fall for the group's annual dinner. >> i remember that first day and how i felt and how special they made me feel. >> into one of the national youth of the year.

malachi haynes of colorado. who's been going to his club since he was six. >> being a leader and role model in my community is my purpose. >> i was a wild one. i had a lot of energy. >> washington used to run track for his club and he remembers when a new kid came in and started running faster. one of his mentors took him aside. >> he said he has natural ability but his natural ability will only take him so far, so i applied that to my career, my first two years when i started acting in college. >> washington won the first of his two oscars for his role in "glory." about an african-american military unit in the civil war. for more than 30 years he's played a series of indelible characters. >> to protect the sheet, you've got to catch the wolf and it takes a wolf too catchable, you understand? >> i was never interested in

being a movie star, we were sort of new york theater snobs, i wanted to be james earl jones, hoping to make $600 on broadway. and i did. >> your father was a preacher to my preacher and a brother and various points of your life you thought about becoming a preacher. really? >> it was prophesied that i would preach by this woman i said maybe that's not supposed to do and he said you arty have a pulpit. >> now washington is more about giving back. >> you never see a u-haul behind the hearse. that's pastor told me. whatever you have, you can't take it with you, so the question is what are you going to do with what you have while you're here. >> the boys & girls club's deal with the ups and downs of life too. kids at the clubs more. malachi started h to improve reading levels. >> an hour of reading and in our flame basketball, eating pizza, just hanging out getting to know the kids. >> john: and denzel washington says that the real message here.

>> where just bombarded so much with negative news that one can just feel like what's the use, but listening to these young people saying no, no, we are going to change it, you're going to do something about it, that's inspiring. >> john: chris asked washington where he sees himself at this stage of his career. he says he uses stuntmen more than he used to but is excited about the unknown and what comes next in his life and career. that's it for today, chris is back again next weekend, we will see you next "fox news sunday." ♪

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