obama countered the gop narrative that the aca is a disastrous train wreck and demonstrated that the law is actually already working and working pretty well. >> every day across the country, and certainly here in the white house, there are people who are working as we speak to implement the affordable care act and to deliver the security of quality, affordable health care to more americans. yesterday, despite all the evidence that the law is working the way it was supposed to for middle class americans, republicans in the house of representatives voted for nearly the 40th time to dismantle it. we've got a lot of problems in this country and there's a lot of work that congress needs to

do. >> because of a provision in the law, president obama noted this summer 8.5 million americans are estimated to receive an average of $100 in rebates from their insurers which will, no doubt, help reinforce the president's message but no amount of dollars or common sense is likely to convince house republicans who have used the administration's recent decision to postpone the employer mandate as canon fodder in the war against obama care. as the president noted in his speech, house republicans voted yet again to delay obama care yesterday mark being the 38th time they have voted to repeal, refund or change the law. they've voted so many times official score keepers can't really keep track anymore. while this is all happening the lower chamber around the country, the rollout of obama care, the settled law of the land, is under way and the results -- yes, "the new york times" reported that health insurance premiums in new york dropped by 50% because of increased competition and thanks

to obama care. today the department of health and human services released a report finding that the aca will lower premiums by an average of 20%. but one man's affordable care is another man's train wreck. locomotive pile-up is the latest craze for house republicans. locomotive pile-up fueled by a zeal to repeal. and this week -- this week was no exception. >> the law isn't wonderful. it is a train wreck. and you know it, i he know it and the american people know it. even the president knows it. >> a democrat senator recently referred to the president's health care law as a train wreck. but what many of us don't understand is why he would allow big businesses to exit the train safely and leave individuals and small businesses on the train for the crash. >> american people need a full repeal of this train wreck legislation. >> i think what we're seeing is they're finally admitting this is a train wreck and it is not ready for prime time.

>> a train wreck not ready for prime time. joining me today, distinguished senior fellow at demo, bob herbert. "the washington post's" ezra klein, bloomberg view's megan mccarten and "newsweek" correspondent john green. joining us from the front lawn of the white house, communications director jennifer palmieri. thank you for bearing with the heat, not just rhetorically but the physical heat. >> it's all right out here. happy to be here. >> jennifer, this narrative that republicans have spent years crafting, the anti-aca narrative, we may laugh at the train wreck metaphor but there is talk out there that the law is a mess. i know a huge part of this is convincing young people and specifically young people of color in certain states to sign up for the affordable care act. as the cbo reports, if 7 million people sign up, 2.7 million have

to be younger and healthier people. are you confident right now 76 days before this thing rolls out that you can get those numbers? >> we are. it is 75 days. we all have calendars in our office -- >> even fewer. even fewer. >> even fewer but we feel ready for it. what you saw the president today today is talk about some of the benefits that are already in place and in terms of holding insurance companies accountable, obviously as you noted, rates -- insurance rates in new york are going down. we want people to understand while a lot of the law needs to be implemented, of much is already happening and it is going well and it is already providing health help for real people. in terms of implementation, the president has always said this is not likely to be the one enterprise in human history that doesn't encounter problems. it is a big undertaking and we understand -- that's why we're taking it not just seriously but

smartly, we think, in terms of when we encounter problems, pausing, trying to deal with them. one example is when we had an original application applied to be part of the health care exchange, it was 17 pages. that it was too long so we trimmed it down to three pages. but in terms of reaching out to the youth, this is something that thankfully the obama world, if you will, has a lot of experience in and does pretty well. we have a big challenge ahead of us but we feel we've done a lot of research and statistical work on who to reach and how you reach them. it is a lot of young people and we have plans to do that but you won't be surprised but will be interested to know that probably the best way to reach these young people is through their mothers. even through young adults it is not surprising to learn they'll probably listen to their moms if their mom tell them to sign up for insurance. so we also have a plan in how to include moms and women in that outreach as well sglp in terms

of pauses and understanding that big problems like this take time and you will run into glitches, the delay of the employer mandate has been seized upon by the right and they've been using this as proof that you never know what the administration is going to enforce and you can't trust government and they've even used that as a reason to scuttle immigration reform in the house. how worried are you about these future glitches derailing the whole prospect, not just the rollout of the aca but of other pieces of legislation the president would like to see completed before the end of the second term? >> we've certainly had a lot of experience learning to deal with it at this point, with an opposition that doesn't -- that isn't willing to drop their opposition when something becomes law. at some point this is the law of the land. we know that the american people -- they believe that we should implement it. when there is problems we should deal with them but they are not for repealing it and at some

point the republicans are standing in the way of making sure that their constituents are able to get affordable coverage. that's for the republicans to worry about and our job is to do it as best as we can. with the employer mandate what we found there is you know, 96% of businesses already provide insurance for their employees and people are concerned that the reporting requirements for big employers is a complicated business of business. the decision didn't affect people actually getting coverage. it is just about reporting on it so we thought it was wise to take a year, to work with businesses to get it right. that's what we're trying to do to show that when we encounter a problem we address concerns and it is important that we bring everyone along in this process. i know a lot of the republicans yesterday were talking about this being a train wreck and i note that today senator baucus who a democrat who had had some early concerns about implementation wrote an op-ed

today where he said that he had a lot of faith and confidence in our rollout and that we were going to be able to do this. so people have concerns, we want to address them. whether it is members of congress or businesses, understand that we got a plan to get this in place and we're going to stick at it. >> the white house communications director, jen palmie palmieri, thank you as always. we will be hoping to hear more from you in the next 74 days. ezra, you have an incredibly thorough piece in the "washington post." >> it is very thorough. >> there is so much misinformation and confusion about exactly what is going on with the aca, how screwed it is, whether or not there is a train wreck at the end of the line, whether or not this thing is actually well on track. i think what's great about your piece is you examine it -- there are a number of different criteria that you look at but the piece is titled "obama's last campaign."

i thought that was really apt title insofar as the campaign infrastructure that obama used in 2008, 2012 to get to the white house, microtargeting, understanding consumer behavioral patterns, how people make choices, where they go for information and specifically targeted young people is all going to come in to play with the aca and getting those young people to sign up. that said, there seem to be a lot of incentives. i think 98% of people under 30 -- or 96% of people 21 to 27 will get income subsidies if they choose to sign up. >> it is of the people we think will be in the marketplace. what's important is to back up here and say that the key thing is that they actually have a pretty clear plan. there is this big meme about obama care. it is not that complex. but they know what they're doing. in order to get these insurance marketplaces to have premiums reasonably low, of the 7 million

adults that come in, 2.7 million need to be young. if they can bring those in those folks will keep the premiums where they need to be. the reason they have to come in the marketplace is they are not getting insurance through a government program or through an employer. typically that means they're relatively low income. reason young people are the most likely to be uninsured is because they are most likely to be poor. of those folks not in the jobs where they'd be getting insurance a lot of them are lower income so they get some level of subsidy. it is not to say every single one of them is getting a great deal here. there are folks making more money who are younger who because we aren't discriminating against older and sicker people. a lot of of them are getting real big subsidies under the law which is a huge season where they're going to sign up. then you get into the individual mandate which is the key for getting the others in there. >> i want to point out though -- let's open this up to everybody. josh, it's written today,

"conservative are fooling themselves if they are expecting a backlash driven by problems around implementation. the infrastructure is in place to make it clear to a critical mass. snafus will be real enough but broadly speaking the rollout is going to be a huge success. i think certain parts of this seem clearly to be working. as ezra ponts oints out in his , the white house didn't build in the resistance from red states, from states not setting up exchanges, from governor who did not want to expand the medicaid rules. there is resistance there that they are now having to deal with sort of as this thing is getting rolled out. >> i think a lot of the republican opposition is essentially faith based. their strategy instead of putting forward a positive strategy to draw a wider audience they've seized on obama care and said polls show this is unpopular. one of the things that comes through is that the obama administration doesn't know how

this is going to roll out. it is a challenge almost sort of a turnout challenge. you've got people from the campaign working on this from within the administration. you also have -- i did a big piece on obama's data team. they started working through the private sector an non-profits essentially trying to figure out the same thing, what buttons to press to get people to climb aboard a train, to choose a metaphor completely at random. >> where did you get that? megan, i wonder what you make about the conservative argument. using obama care the way conservatives have. at one point they were comparing george zimmerman's trial to obama care. obama care certainly came into play during the immigration reform debate. again, obama care is kind of known as obama care amongst conservative circles but in the practical state implementations of the affordable care act there are totally different names for it. >> cover california -- point

being the marketplace is all -- >> americans aren't sitting there stewing about obama care. so is this really an effective battering ram? >> it is really effective for their base. they still really hate it. they didn't like the line in 2010. you go to any conservative event i guarantee there is a guy at the front who is really angry. it still isn't popular. democrats thought we'd pass it now, it's 40%, it will be at 55% -- it didn't happen. >> history shows medicare part d had lower public approval rating -- >> but it didn't have disapproval ratings. it was just most people never heard of it. >> i'm on your side in this but medicaid part d had a very bad unpopular rollout. >> sort of. but the difference is that it is

a voluntary program. the problem is some seniors got too many subsidies. some didn't get enough. but it was a voluntary program and it wasn't this big. it wasn't nearly this complicated and working up the subsidies, it's $37 a month. this is not the same as, oh, i just found out that i have to pay $700 a month for insurance instead of the for example someone i know out in california, their policy's getting canceled and they'll have to pay more because they had a catastrophic policy before. so they're getting more coverage but they didn't want more coverage. they wanted not to be paying $700 a month. so these sorts of things, it is just different. the proof is going to be in the puddi pudding. we're going to find out and obviously the administration is going to say this is going to be awesome and everyone is going to love it and republicans are going to say this is going to be the worst thing ever. we'll know in 75 days. will we know?

new york, california you are seeing premiums drop. the h had hs report says you'll see 20% average drop in insurance premiums. what i worry about is because red state governors have been so reluctant to embracing this by either setting up exchanges or expanding medicaid rules, what if you have a situation where the aca is great in red states, bad in blue states. >> we have no idea how the rollout is ultimately going to fare but this is a complicated program with different situations in different states. i thought that the story about the premiums dropping in new york was factually accurate but gave the impression there is a real drop in premiums. that's not the case. i think it will be hard to sign up a lot of these young people. one, they aren't interested in getting health insurance. they're not interested in taking

on additional expenses and there is no real penalty, if i understand it correctly. if they don't do it. >> well, there is a penalty. there is also the incentive of -- well, there are incentives. >> will they be able to enforce the penalty is the question. i've been talking to young people about employment and the problem which i guess we'll be talking about later in the show, the problem of the college debt that they are dealing with. the question of whether the government is going to track them down, actually impose and enforce a penalty for not having gone on and bought health insurance i think is problematic. >> they won't do that. just for the record. way the law is structured, the irs can't come and find you and take away your wages. that said, in massachusetts, people pay the penalty. the one place disagree with bob, we know a lot about how young adults feel about insurance. they want it very, very, very badly. that doesn't mean they want to pay all that much for it and you

get into kwefsquestion of affordability. when they get offered, it is 65% take it. it is not that much more than older workers. people go to jobs where they can get insurance. i think we probably overvalue health insurance a little bit in the country but nevertheless, people want it. if it is affordable they are going to get it. >>fy could push back against this, sure, if you have a job where they are offering health had insurance you will take the health insurance. >> you want a job first. >> it is only a little more than half of four-year college graduates from 2006, 2007 who even have full-time jobs now. then you have all these kids who are not college graduates, who are not working who don't have money and the number one health insurance, purchase of health insurance is not one of their top priorities. >> but it is still something -- there's a lot of polling on this. they want it. the question is, is it affordable. >> do they want to pay $200 to $300 for it which is what a lot

of people are -- >> or pay a penalty that where you get nothing. right? >> that's the other trade-off. >> the massachusetts example is you pay this money, you get nothing or you pay more money and you debt -- >> in massachusetts young adult insurance went down. >> in 1966, as medicare was just about to launch, nobody knew whether the new program would provide benefits to millions or fail completely. what will happen then on that summer day when the federally insured system of paying hospital bills becomes a reality, a "new york times" reporter wondered in the story at the time? there will be folks in lines at hospitals with no rooms to put them in? future tense is something that's been with us for a very long time as far as big social programs and their rollouts. let's just take a page from the no-drama obama speech that we just heard and be easy. after the break, many up. and coming shag gee haired teen

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john lennon, steve jobs, jerry seinfeld and dzhokhar sarn yev. the 19-year-old accused boston bomber has joined the elite ranks of "rolling stone" covers stars. latest issues featured a shag

gee haired "selfie" of the teenager. "how he was failed by his family, fell into radical islam and became a monster." he's charged with using a weapon of mass destruction which with carry the death penalty. it is due for release tomorrow and has been met with no shortage of criticism. so far at least five major chains are boycotting the issue. the retailers assert they are refusing to sell the magazine out of respect for the victims and boston's mayor thomas menino says it is in very poor taste. >> why? why are we going to publicize a guy who destroyed people's lives? doesn't make any sense to me. >> but "rolling stone" is no stranger to controversy having put charles manson on its cover in 1970 and roman polanski in 1981. in an interview with npr wednesday, the magazine's managing editor defended the decision. >> this is a person who is the

same age as many of our readers who to his peer group seemed like one of them. and that's what we thought made the story so powerful and disturbing and it is in no way to endorse or glorify what he did. i think the opposite, trying to understand it and explain it. >> yosh josh is a print magazin dude. to you first on this. talk a little bit about -- i mean i am of the thought that -- i will read a quote from the "boston globe," op-ed that sort of puts it all in context. it is a very "rolling stone" image but it is accompanied by a very un"rolling stone" cover line -- the bomber how a popular promising student was failed by his family, fell into radical islam and became a monster." that's pretty unequivocal and something newspapers like this one have taken great pains to avoid. it convicts him. lechl of outrage this has provopr zbls. >> the point of the magazine

cover is to create attention. >> i was just talking to our art director about this cover and what he thought about it. >> what did he say? >> one of the points he made was if you read the actual piece, the cover image has integrity because it is about how this seemingly sweet, nice suburban kid went from that to becoming a monster. now maybe the editorial language prematurely convicts him or what but the point is it is an accurate reflection of the piece contained in there. as a magazine writer myself i felt terrible for the reporter who wrote a wonderful piece -- deeply reported, beautifully written is being overshadowed by i think what is a silly controversy. >> the photo people have said looks a lot like a jim morrison photograph. i think we can talk about the glamourization in a second, but actually having him look like that is i think part of the thesis of the story, which is this kind of normal looking

19-year-old that could be your next-door neighbor became a radical jihadist and presumed terrorist so having a different photo would not drive home the entire thesis of the story. >> indeed. i think you have a difficult choice there. the subject of the story and exploring how this kid turns into a terrorist, that's hugely important and the fact that we have to confront the fact that terrorists don't always look like scary hermits who crawl out of their caves. that said, we do know there are copycat crimes and copycat crimes are influenced by media coverage. if you put someone who looks pretty good on the cover of "rolling stone --" and that's a magazine someone's reading -- you do worry some kid is going to look at that and say my life suction and i hate everyone but at least maybe i will go out on the cover of "rolling stone." i don't know how you resolve that. it is a if you have question. >> when the city of boston was

shut down during the hunt for dzhokhar tsarnaev, there was some analysis and criticism days later you don't want to empower somebody like that. for would-be terrorists shutting down the system and getting a "rolling stone" cover is not a detent for ruthless -- >> i make the distinction with shutting down the city. i do think they went to the extreme in the cover, "rolling stone" did glamorize this guy in the way they put him on the cover. i understand it is going to be the cover of "business week" next week. >> it is a cover of the "rolling stone" cover. >> this same photo was on page 1 of the "new york times" but it didn't have the same effect of glamorizing sae ining tsarnaev g stone" cover. they could have used his head

shot, then had a clollage. you have some concern about what went into what is behind this whole thing whereas if the terrorist fits the profile, nobody cares about what caused it. >> to the "new york times'" point, if you look at the last 17 covers of "rolling stone," that's a decidedly illustrious group of people. this is generationally a very relevant group of people. and in some ways critics of the cover are saying this is a tacit endorsement, that he somehhe so in the pantheon of -- or confers

legitimacy -- >> i just don't get a lot of this. i could be wrong by this. there was a cartoon of sort of fat cat bankers. they didn't look beautiful but it didn't glamorize them to be on it. this is a great work of journalism. they've done a good job here and this is a picture of this kid. we can argue whether or not we should pay attention to him at all but if we're going to pay attention to him, we're going to set some sort of editorial standard that we need him to look ugly when we use a photograph of him? i think we need to have a conversation about how terrorized we've become by terrorism. that goes back to shutting down boston. insofar as journalism goes, the "rolling stone" cover here, this is not how terrorism ends up working. it is the rest of our fear. the really serious ones aren't looking for the "rolling stone"

cover, they are looking to change the way we get on airlines or change the way we live or lives. >> osama bin laden never mentioned "rolling stone"? >> no. well, josh, the decision by rite aid, cvs and stop n shop to not sell it -- >> kids are never deterred by this. i think there is an automatic corporate knee-jerk reaction. >> especially terror, too. as ezra points out, it is a -- >> not just terror but race. look what happened to paula deen. the automatic response is just do the same thing from a corporate standpoint and pull back. >> i would say that the paula deen situation is different because she was basically a proven racist and a spokesperson. it would be different if dzhokhar tsarnaev was actually a spokesperson for "rolling stone"

and going out there speaking on behalf of "rolling stone" on the circuit. >> but it is more the idea the controversy is something that the corporate world has to back away from. one other counter example of that i saw this morning was nike and tiger woods. sex scandals are apparently something you can get away with. nike just upped their contract with tiger. >> you don't want to defend cvs -- >> tiger's cheating on his wife is very different than someone killing multiple people -- zblb but it hurt a lot of his sponsorships. >> i just don't think we should be completely wide-eyed about this. "rolling stone" picked a controversial cover line and they got the controversy and this is going to be i feel a little bit bad for the writer but also quite good for her because there is an article that you are picking up "rolling stone," you go there for album reviews and celebrity coverage. all of a sudden -- >> let's be fair, "rolling

stone" has great political journalism and reporting. >> people picking it up at cvs aren't going for sarn ytsarnaev. this is great for the publicity they could never have bought. i think they expected to a bit some backlash. but this is "rolling stone." they are supposed to be a little against the man. >> as the great kurt anderson tweeted. of course tsarnaev is on the cover of "rolling stone." coming up, school may be out for summer but congress apparently is not. will a new deal on student loans help a generation falling rapidly behind? we will discuss diplomas and debt just ahead. ♪

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be a step forward. >> under the deal the undergraduate students will be able to borrow at a rate of 3.85% this fall, though that rate will climb in coming years but will ultimately be capped at 8.25%. lob loans are a boon for the federal government which is on track to make $51 billion in profits on student loans this year alone. that fact does not sit well with massachusetts senator elizabeth warren who yesterday ripped congress for balancing the books on the backs of poor students. instead of helping our students, said warren, the government is making a profit on student loans. that is wrong, it is morally wrong, that is obscene. bob, what do you make of this? >> i am with elizabeth warren. 100%. why are they making a profit off student loans? in the first place, you ought to be able to go to college free basically -- you want to be able to work your way through college reasonably well. the other thing is that -- look

at the interest rates on these college loans. they are absurdly high whereas if these youngsters could get a little bit of money saved or whatever they couldn't get any interest on their money if they loaned it to the government or put it in a bank or that sort of thing. >> i know are you not a numbers guy -- >> no, no. >> 43% of 25-year-old have student debt in 2012, up to 27% in 2004. almost double. the number of student defaults rose from 4.6% in 2005 to 9.1%. it is the number two reason for debt in this had country after mortgages surpassing credit card debt. this could be a generation lost given the debt that they are saddled with and the cascade effect that has down the line in terms of buying your first car, or buying your first home and baby boomers who are trying to sell their first home. >> and the difficulty in getting a job.

>> in terms of the student debt i don't think we're at generation lost territory yet. it still tend to be a good idea for most kids to go to college. the debate over higher ed costs is nothing more than the tiniest little band-aid on the problem. the truth is tuition has been skyrocketing for years now. it is not just at high-priced private schools. >> $12,000 a year for in-state, $23,000 a year for private college. >> when you went through the uc system or cal state system back in 1970 or 1980, you paid nothing basically. now it is a ton and a big part of is that is state budget cuts. it used to pay for a lot of that, now it is getting pushed back on to the students. there needs to be a much more serious conversation in the country about how to bring down

the cost of higher education. the reason people keep on taking more and more debt is because we are basically making it unaffordable for them to go to college. >> elizabeth warren is introducing to bill to peg student loan rates to what the fed lets -- >> .75%. >> which was never going to happen but kind of was a way to get people to look at look what the government supports and doesn't support. >> she has framed it in moral terms. the government should not be making billions of dollars of profit and reducing the deficit on the backs of students especially as we tell students the road to mobility, the road to achieving the american dream is by getting higher education. >> in fairness, however, they're not balancing on bakthe baktcks

students. with things like income based repayment with, there are problems with that program but it is actually pegged as a short of percentage to your income. i tend to think the problem is not the interest rate. i think that focus is misleading. the problem is on the amount of money that's being borrowed. that goes back to -- what ezra said, they're paying too much, but in part the reason they are paying too much is that these loans are available and kids going into college don't think about should i really be borrowing $30,000 a year to go to nyu. >> should i really be being charged. >> the reason they can charge it, a lot of research says when you're buying something on debt you become less price sensitive because you're paying in the future. but allowing people to borrow $10,000 a year to go to college, there is a real sense among a

lot of economists -- >> it is putting the blame on the student when more of it should be on the institution. >> i agree. >> when you look at community colleges, we've got a big series on this coming out. its, at best, a small part of the story here. there is a lot more going on in terms of why these cuts are going on student loans. their accessibility has more to do with how much people need to do and the do agree to which we are unable to say no. we aren't going to bring this down through ratcheting back student loans. >> coming up, rand paul may be sizing up a presidential run in 2016 but before tackling debates in primaries the senator may have to overcome another obstacle at his own dinner table. we'll talk family matters and preview the elder paul's latest

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ask your doctor about the only underarm low t treatment, axiron. ron paul isn't the first 2012 to run his own tv ad. >> democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote. let's give a lamb a gun! i'm herman cain. we are not stupid. >> but herman cain doesn't have a son eyeing a 2016 bid, as far as we know. we'll discuss paul tv and family affairs coming up next.

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all signs are pointing towards a rand paul presidential run in 2016. the kentucky republican is heading to iowa this weekend and has already made stops in new hampshire and south carolina this year. but the biggest road block to a future presidential candidate paul could be a former presidential candidate paul. launching this summer, ron paul tv, the three had-time presidential contender will be hitting the internet with a subscripti subscription-only network where the elder paul will "present news that would never be shown or discussed on more traditional news outlets." residents of planet paul, it is time to turn off the tv and turn on truth. >> coming soon -- ron paul takes the fight from washington. >> we see an opening now to really have an impact. >> and brings it to you through the powerful world of digital media. >> we are see egg the e-- seein

end of an era. >> this is exciting. >> is it exciting for rand paul though? >> it is not that exciting for rand paul. who has big national ambitions. i actually interviewed him yesterday, not specifically about this but in the course of the interview i did happen to mention his dad and how they compared. he was clearly a little peefd by it. very polite, fielded the question but sort of deflected it by saying, look, i'm my own man, i'm a senator, judge me what i do here, what my father is or is not doing is not really important. >> yet part of the thing i think that excites republicans about rand paul is that he can tap into the ron paul constituency and pace which was very broad in terms of at least age. i went to a couple rallies. people with dreadlocks, civil libertarians, peacenicks, their politics otherwise didn't dovetail with ron paul's agenda.

he's opened the upon raul institute for peace and prosperity. >> i would like to take this moment, although my parents as far as i know do not cher riishy conspiracy theories that i have to explain on a daily basis. no. ron paul, he sort of attracts that corner of the internet. during the 2008 elections and a little bit during 2012 all you really had to do to get millions of hits was write a headline that had ron paul. and type in all-caps. i'm not sure why they type in all-caps. >> rand paul has his own problems of his own making, including jack hunter, the southern avenger who is basically someone who supported -- effectively supported the assassination of

president lincoln -- there he is. >> that was the point that i was going to make. it is very difficult for me to parse what the impact of ron is on rand because rand an ron are both so far out there as far as i'm concerned that they're at the far end of the fridge -- >> they're in the freezer. >> -- of the fringe. it may be rand is a serious contender, but that just says something about the gop. >> we will see. glenn beck made $90 million over the last 12 months which is more than oprah winfrey. >> i am astonished by that. >> a number that actually -- like you have no response to. >> that would not fit on any graph that i could conceive of. >> thank you to bob, ezra, megan and josh. see you back here tomorrow noon eastern, 6:00 a.m. honolulu

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