♪ this is good news, people. >> wait wait wait. did he just wink? let's see that again in slow motion.

>> what? wait, wait a second. hold on a second. didn't he just realize he lost a historic election? both house by historic margins? even his own party was deserting him. doesn't obama know he won't get anything done these last two years? oh he doesn't give a [ bleep ]. >> you know that's really -- >> okay. >> -- pretty much it. >> no it's not. stop. >> i was sitting there with like 187-degree temperature. i didn't know it could go that high. >> i didn't either. >> ron forter had that great tweet. in the state of the union, he was really really good right this. >> yes. >> incredible performance. >> yes. >> but it's kind of like one of those hollywood stars who do an

incredible performance and then walk on the street oh, wait a second they can't lift those huge hammers and get lightning from the sky. in the words of john lennon it was all showbiz. i'm not being negative but he can't do anything. that's the thing, the day after, hey, hey boy, this is a great barack obama. literally he can do no more -- i mean -- >> that's what's liberating about it. >> no. >> all of this talk -- >> no it's not. no, if you can't do anything that's not liberating. what you do is you say, okay let's make deals. >> what if you make the calculation that you can. what if you look back on the previous six years and look at the republican party the democratic party, i'm not going to say this publicly but there's no common ground are between the two of us. >> that's not true. >> i think that's essentially the calculation that he made right after the election. >> that is a defeatist thinking

that has surrounded this white house for -- oh, we can't do anything. because republicans just -- we can't do anything. if he had said i stead, richard, maybe i'm crazy, hey, i tell you what -- >> we can debate that. >> i am crazy. if the president said, listen here's the deal i want to get people that work hard $10 an hour minimum wage you want a pipeline. now, instead of just saying it's a pipeline forget it. when, of course canada and everybody else says it's really good deal and it's going to create jobs and lots of money and stimulate growth for two or three years, it's not bad. republicans might go we won't give you $10 but we'll give you $9. there's always a defeatist thinking. it's either black or white, yes or no, i'm right, you're wrong. >> this is the state of the union that should have been

given a year from now. this is the january 2016 state of the union. >> then you can do i was right, you were wrong. >> by then the window for governing would have closed. we all know this is the last year that window remains open. and whether it's corporate tax reform infrastructure modernization, trade, there were things he could have put on the table very solid me had another year before he basically played 2016. i thought he missed that opportunity. >> you know what he did? he played to his ego, he played to his base he played to everybody in the white house that has told him -- a lot of them are friends -- those republicans are just bad. mika, you really see the difference between a politician who spends his entire life surrounded by his own type whether it's democrats around democrats, republicans -- versus a ronald reagan who had to deal with democrats in california or a bill clinton who had to deal with republicans and conservatives in arkansas. >> i don't know what state of the union you were watching, but i saw a very positive tone to it.

i really did. and this was -- you know obviously the audience was for the first time, you know republican -- he had a tough audience. and i thought he put it out there in a positive way saying we can try and do this without being too confrontational about certain specific issues which you know they would just cease upon and the next day chatter about until everything is dead. the door is now open. >> if you watch john boehner's body language if you look at the lack of applause. republicans really took it as a very confrontational state of the union. >> listen here's -- >> fever was just about to break. >> i might have been delirious. >> you were hallucinating. >> like right now i'm thinking that we're going to have a straight down the middle conversation. mika, the -- i think at the end of the day if you look at what the president said and you look at issue after issue after issue, it was democratic talking points. he was playing -- even democrats said, hey, he is setting up the

2016 election. that's all i heard that day -- yesterday, hey, he's setting up the 2016 -- you know what? we still have a year or two of governing to do. then you can set up like richard said, the 2016 election. think hopes for bipartisan ship willie, it seems to me deflated like a football. how about that segue? >> good segue. but first, this has been their posture since the midterm elections. on immigration reform community college, normalizing relations with cuba. he's going to put out what he thinks is best. the other night on the tax code he's going to put out his ideal and force republicans to say, no, i don't think people should go to community college for free. i don't think people should be deported. i don't think there should be a tax hike on the rich. he's putting them the position of having to go against these things. whether or not that's productive to make those things happen you can debate about but he's putting out his ideal at this point because i don't think he

thinks over the next two years it's going to happen. >> i think this is going to be good for him. >> yeah. >> i think he's numbers are going to keep going up. if you look at what he's done on cuba, for instance the overwhelming majority of americans support what he did on cuba. if you look at what he did on the immigration, executive order, the majority of americans support that. now, they don't support a pathway to citizenship if you look at the latest nbc poll but they support what he's doing and i think most americans will look at that and the people that swing back and forth, and i think his numbers will actually go up. i'm just talking about getting big deals done. >> oh rhine ohwe'll get that sound bite for you on the next discussion on this because we need to move on. some republicans saw some things in the speech that they thought they could work with. paul ryan was one of them. it made news because he heard,

you know he didn't hear just a liberal agenda there. he heard something he could work with. >> i thought there were one or two things they could work with. i'm just talking the overall picture. again, i'm a lot more optimistic than most people after this election. i really thought a lot of things were going to get done the next two years. maybe they will. that wasn't the speech that most people would have given. i'm right, you're wrong. i've been right, you've been wrong is not usually the pathway to compromise. >> one quick point on that also if you think of atmospherically what democrats would wanted from republicans, at least rhetorically they've gotten since the election. mcconnell/boehner talking sensibly about areas where they might compromise. they know they have to govern. the moment they say, hey, we're gilling ing willing to govern -- >> mika is that not a nice change, the republicans are actually, for the most part acting responsibly. >> i think so. >> i saw no one set their hair

on fire. >> did you watch every single republican response? can you honestly say that? >> well, i didn't see everyone. >> there were like 85. >> there were 85. i missed the ted nugent response. >> okay. >> by the way, that's a good sign, that things are changing in the republican party. ted nugent was not the guest of honor with guns strapped on him. >> fantastic. okay. >> good songs. >> let's go back to your deflated segue. >> we're not seeing ted nugent in the audience sort of left me with a deflated feel. >> there you go. i don't think we can show the cover of the "new york post." decide while i read this. >> let me decide. joe, joe. >> i'll just read it real quick. >> i haven't seen it. >> let's read the story. >> no we shouldn't put that up. >> still investigating claims game balls used sunday were underinflated by the team and whether or not it was

intentional. ron mott has the latest. >> reporter: espn citing anonymous sources reports that the nfl found 11 of 12 game balls used by the new england patriots were underinflated which can make the balls easier to throw and catch, especially in the rain, as was the case in sunday's victory. the controversy over deflate gate as it's called on social media centers on whether the patriots tampered with their footballs after they were inspected by the referee. >> i think it's possible that the curtain has been pulled back here on a whole series of things that go on behind the scenes that no one was really aware of. >> reporter: according to league rules two hours before the game 12 balls from each team are checked by officials, measured and weighed to meet league specs and marked with the ref's signature. ten minutes before the game they are given to ball runners on the sideline. how can it happen? just a few seconds they the carry a small pump needle like this and release two or three

pounds of pressure enough, some say, to gain an edge even if it's barely noticeable. nfl rule s do not govern access to footballs during games but stipulate, if any individual alters the footballs, they face discipline including fines. >> i believe the loss of draft picks might be in play. i believe a suspension for the head coach might be in play depending on what kind of proof they have and even what kind of chain of custody they have on these stupid footballs. >> they've come this far. they've played good football. why would they want to jeopardize it. >> they're cheaters. they should be punished for it. >> reporter: the patriots and coach bill belichick were heavily fined for spy-gate in 2007. videotaping an opponent's signals during the game. >> the patriots push the boundaries of the rules constantly. most of the team they're within the realm of what's acceptable. this time it appears they've gone outside it. >> reporter: while some colts players tweeted they would be happy to replace them in the super bowl duane allen said they could have played with soap

and beat us. >> thank you, duane allen. seriously. no, i'm serious. no that's all class. it really is. the colts have -- i think most part been classy, you could have played with soap and beaten us. for people who don't really understand it. you know quarterback played in the north, i mean it's ice. when it's cold, those balls are like rocks. you deflate it you can actually grip it. >> right. so the question is should there be some punishment leading up into the super bowl? that's not going to happen. they're not going to suspend belichick. so they're going to get a fine. they say of 25 grand, something like that, take awe way a draft pick. >> i would take away their first draft pick that will hurt. >> mike, this is obviously playing huge up in boston. what do you think? what should happen here? >> hey, mike do you love bill belichick as much as i love bill belichick? >> a lot of these coach rest paranoid to a certain level. if people knew the extent of their paranoia about football

and about winning games and gaining an edge i think a lot of people would be shocked. the patriots have already lost. they have priors. in the public's mind and the public relations aspect of it the patriots already loses. i'd like to find out what happened and i think we'll find out later today what happened. and i would assume that if the patriots are found culpable of deflating the balls in the first half of the game not the second half of the game when the balls are exposed, then they'll suffer a severe penalty because of their priors. >> 45-7 it was a 38-point game. obviously the balls didn't make the difference in the game. but cheating is cheating and you've got to punish it. >> not only that willie if you check the stats of the game tom brady, the patriots' quarterback, had a much better second half after they found out about the balls than he did the first half. >> okay. just why does each team provide their own footballs?

that's stupid. >> that is the stupid part of it. >> opening the door to cheating. how about the nfl provides the footballs. >> it seemed to me in high school, when i played willie i thought the other team when we were in florida, i thought the other team actually provided the balls. >> there will be some kind of reform where these things will be held under custody, shall we say. deflation. >> what? >> yesterday, europeans -- >> here we go. q and a speech. >> he's not doing it. >> he's really going to -- okay. >> we have a lot to talk about. you saw hillary clinton yesterday. >> she was in canada in winnipeg speaking at the chamber of commerce and she channeled her inner vladimir putin and did an imitation. take a look. >> if for some reason you decided to be leader of the united states or actually run for that because there is process. >> there is a process. >> you got elected. people said, you know what --

>> you can imagine the conversation with putin. he was prime minister after president. vladimir vladimir, do you think you would like to be president again? i think i would, actually. why don't we just go announce it. we'll tell dmitri he can be prime minister. actually. yes. we have a process, yes. >> that's bill clinton. >> i think she needs to talk to a marriage counselor because she actually sees her husband as vladimir. >> that was the worst vladimir putin. >> there was the best bill clinton. >> a lot going on overseas. >> let's go to this violent protest in yemen which has reportedly simmering at least for now. shiite rebels struck a deal with the country's president late yesterday after storming his residents and holding him captive there. the agreement ends with local officials have labeled an attempted coup. they will amend to yemen's constitution and give the rebels more representation in parliament.

four months ago as "the washington post" points out, president obama was holding up yemen as a success story in the fight against terror. the president said quote, the strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one that we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years. and here we are. >> you haddon nald rumsfeld saying a few things he wish he could have gotten back about iraq. there is just chapter and verse of the -- the president has -- keeps providing these quotes that keeps suggesting he may either be out of touch with the war on terror or he may just wish it didn't exist. >> you don't want to make comments that are confident and predictions about any middle eastern state. look, we've got four countries in the middle east essentially failed states. three for sure. syria, libya, yemen. iraq arguably fourth. this one was not our doing unlike the other three. you've got a country roughity

the size of saudi arabia on the brink of failure, totally infiltrated by terrorist groups. we've lost essentially any sort of a partner in the global effort against terrorism here. this is a serious piece of bad news. >> jim republicans obviously bring this up foreign policy analysts as well. the president says isis is jv and then, well, you can put kobe bryant in a jv uniform but still jv player. all this while they are actually gaining ground in syria despite bombing runs. this president, does he just wish terrorism. didn't exist? is he trying to pish it away? >> it's certainly the fairest critique of that speech is how much he diminished the lingering threat, the idea that syria, the idea that yemen -- >> i'mly curious, why does he keep saying that? i mean democrats, independents republicans would say, that's just not connected with reality.

i'm serious here. >> dangerous politics. >> what is the purpose of it? why does he do that? >> i think, my guess is and i don't know definitively what's in his head but i think his reasoning would be he's trying to say that we've had lots of success in afghanistan and iraq and my overall approach to fight terrorism and dealing with the threats works by putting these things in manageable boxes. the problem with that is there's lots of evidence it doesn't work. your point, don't ever declare, no president should ever declare any success in afghanistan, iraq syria, yemen, libya again. >> willie, no mission accomplished. no more mission accomplished. >> richard, how dangerous is yemen to the united states? how close is it or can it be to syria which is to say a place we thought we might be able to make partners to fight terrorism and now it's not clear who that partner would be and we see people coming out of there and coming back to europe. >> the one you just suggested, as a base from which people would return. the other is a base against

other middle eastern states. when sighsisis changed its name to islamic state, the goal was to reform the region. this is where they can go after saudi arabia which is ultimately the crown jewel. the question of why the president keeps doing this look at the beginning of the state of the union, what was his first foreign point? troops coming home from afghanistan. it's what we've been able to stop doing and bring troops back home from iraq and afghanistan. i think the administration is putting too much emphasis on that and not enough on conditions in the region. >> mike, you look at the last two presidents and their ideology has just had disastrous impacts for u.s. foreign policy. george w. bush thinking he was going to export democracy to all four corners of the globe. look what happened. it was just an absolute nightmare that we continue to pay for todayed. and then barack obama making campaign promises he was going to bring everybody home. both of them continued down

their path regardless of the realities that stared them squarely in the face. we're all paying for it. troops, especially, are paying for it. the world is paying for it. >> well, unless you get very little mention of terrorism in the state of the union speech the other evening, joe. there are no success stories here, no matter what they might parrot about our success in quotes in afghanistan, there are no success stories. there are no success stories in the middle east. thus, why talk about it? because you don't -- you cannot control the future. you don't even know what the future is in the middle east. by the future i'm mean next week, next month, there's no defining it. still ahead on mnl, david will be here. former obama campaign manager and white house adviser is now an executive for uber. >> we've got questions for him. >> we're going to hear his strategy. plus former governor, tim pawlenty and bill gates and christi noem will join us. up next kevin hart has a

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>> all right. let's do the morning papers. let's start in jersey. >> this is incredible. >> right across the river. i watched it out of my bedroom last night. new jersey star ledger hundreds of residents are homeless this morning after a massive five alarm fire in edgewater, new jersey destroyed an apartment complex. 300 people were evacuated with 175 units after it broke out around 4:30 in the afternoon. fire was so large it was clearly visible on the west side of the new york city just across the hudson. it was contained but not until late last night. nearby schools closed today after officials declared a local state of emergency. the cause of the inferno remains under investigation. i stepped out of my apartment this morning, all i could smell was that fire. >> you're kidding? >> new york city. that was across the river in new jersey. massive. >> that's incredible. the "los angeles times" in mexico, a drone carrying over six pounds of methamphetamine crashed into a supermarket parking lot. >> i told you, willie i

couldn't control those things. >> we did the dry run and you blew it. >> when you put the actual meth there, meth responds differently to winds and dusts and the baking powder. >> gets the jitters when you can get the real thing. >> a lot of money, controlling with the joy sticks. boom, i know. >> where is your drone? >> it's in a supermarket. >> no, it's in a tree if your backyard still there. using remote aircraft to smuggle drugs across the border is apparently not rare. they've even earned the nickname blind mules. they t. latest incident is under investigation. >> "time" magazine ak-47 rifle soon will be manufactured in the united states. american gun company rwc will manufacturer the rifles domestically after u.s.-imposed sanctions against russia prevented the weapons from being imported. ak-47s have been manufactured by the russia company.

they will open a new factory to produce the weapons. the telegaffe, king tut's golden burial mask was irreversibly damaged after a botched repair job at the egyptian museum in cairo. >> that's not good. >> oh, no. >> museum employees say the beard snapped off. >> oh, dude. >> -- during a cleaning attempt back in october in a rush to get the popular exhibit back on display. epoxy was used to reattach the piece. the hasty epoxy job leaked into the face of the mask and dried, leaving a visible gap. >> holy cow, who is this guy? >> sounds like contractor you know. the mask was also scratched in an attempt to fix the mistake locating king tut's tomb in 1922 is considered one of history's greatest discoveryies.

>> and they decide to let it get repaired by cheech and chong? what is going on here? >> can't you see, drops it looks around. gets out the gorilla glue and starts filling it in? wow. >> that's terrible. all right. the toledo blade. kevin hart purchased 500 tickets for fans to see his new movie "the wedding ringer" for free. fans and movie theaters and staff in ohio learned of the news when hart posted several messages on twitter. he said he bought them as a thank you for fans to buying tickets to his soldout stand-up performance there. he spent $5,000 on the promotion. >> this guy sells out stadium, 50,000, he is -- he's as big as -- >> he's huge. i think he's got 15 or 16 million twitter followers. as big a comedian as there is in the world now. >> crazy. coming up one of the country's most interesting mayors. san francisco's ed lee joins us for the must read opinion pages. and we say most interesting because of one of his campaign

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♪ all right. before we get to our next guest, richard had a very legitimate angle to the football controversy. deflation, please go. >> "wall street journal" today about the european central bank beginning quantitative easing. just this week the imf came out with a new report. the world economy is slowing down. europe, japan, china, rest of the world. the united states is one of the few places where actually exceeding forecasts. what this tells you is the entire world is the biggest flet is not inflation, it's deflation. this is going to have economic consequence. also political consequences. the reason we're seeing the rise of the right throughout places like europe is because the economies aren't growing. so the debates we're having here are nothing compared to the debates over there and the challenges they face. >> he could find a segue to everything. seriously? >> i like the new york post take on it. >> joe, come on now. let's get to our next guest. thank you, richard, for that. >> thank you. joining us now the mayor of

san francisco, democrat ed lee who announced in november he will seek a second term in office. we have actually his spot that he put on that's really creating waves. we want to take a look at that together. should we roll it now? >> right now. >> roll it. ♪ ♪ >> okay. wow. all right. yeah. you went there. i mean you went -- you said, it's hammer time and i'm going to get m.c. hammer to do my

re-election ad. i'm just wondering, who came up with that -- like you guys were sitting around you said we can do it about light rail we can do it about bringing the kids together. now, i got a better idea let's get m.c. hammer. whose idea was that mr. mayor. >> good morning, joe, mika willie. thank you for having me here. you know it wasn't part of our official campaign. it was done by people who wanted to just boost me up and they did it on their own. but i was glad -- when i saw it i was just laughing and the kids all around the city were getting into the dance and it was very moving. >> wow. >> wow. i guess it worked for you, right? >> well, it did. and i think the message worked. we are on our way to really get out of this recession and that's why i'm here in washington, d.c. i'm joining the other mayors, hundreds of mayors across the country to compare notes, to get the best practices and san francisco is hot these days both real estate business

small businesses, and we got a lot of challenges but we're at a good point and i'm very excited to be the mayor of san francisco. >> okay. we're going to get to some of our must read opinion pages in this segment. we'll start with the "new york times." nick crossoff has this piece called reagan obama, and inequality. since the end of the 1970s something has gone profoundly wrong in america. inequality has soared. that's the context for obama's call, in his state of the union address, for greater economic fairness. but first, the caveats. his proposals are dead on ash rival in congress. remember the 2014 state of the union address? of course not. of 18 proposals in it there were action on 2 according to pbs yet the bully pulpit can still shape the national agenda and nag at the american conscience. i don't fully agree with obama's solutions but he is exactly right in the way he framed the inequality issue. will we accept an economy where only a few of us do spectacularly well?

the question is how to solve that. >> mayor lee, i think this is a good question to put to you given what you just talked about in your city. you're right, it has exploded in the last decade and a lot of people in that town have become very rich off the technologies, start-ups in silicon valley. a lot of people have been left behind. real estate prices have skyrocketed. how do you make sure in a city like yours that's moving so quickly that everybody is swept up in the success of your town? >> that's absolutely right. first of all, let me applaud president obama because i think middle class economics is the way it should be done. and the things that he talked about were strongly encouraging. that's exactly what we've been doing. we've been concentrating our now new found wealth in replowing that into our infrastructure. you will see transportation education investments at historic highs. this is why we have one of the lowest unemployment rates in the country. 4.4% in san francisco. and we worked very hard to make sure that we had a strong economic foundation.

now having said that it is expensive. i recognize that. that's why housing a one of the most challenging things right now in san francisco. and i'm aggressively looking at building 30,000 units of housing, middle income housing, low-income housing, in san francisco the next five years. we did so 4,000 units were built last year. that was double what we did the previous year and triple. so we're on our way to using the wealth that we're having and applying that right in to help people share in this prosperity. >> mr. mayor, congratulations. hammer time in san francisco. richard, i want to read you a sentence or two from "wall street journal's" editorial right this morning. better politics or not. president obama ended the state of the union address for appeal for better pol sticks which we debate without demonizing each other. on the next day he only hours after activists disrupted the proceedings to protest. oh please chief justice john

roberts growled amid the commotion. this was also a reaction to mr. obama's statement only hours after he side with the protesters. we're not among those who think that supreme court is above criticism, though presidents usually have better manners when addressing a co-equal branch of government. this president has been -- wait i don't know. i mean i guess since fdr, there's not been a president that's been as confrontational with the supreme court as this one. >> that is an edgy relationship or lack of one right now. i think it's mutual, shall we say. supreme court increasingly doesn't show up at the state of the i don't know i don't know. this spring though there's going to be massive issues that they're going to be deciding that everything from day marriage to the relationship by the way, between the president and the congress and who controls the foreign policy power. we were just talking though about the state of the union. one thing he might have done at the beginning of the speech was the stuff he put in at the end, why didn't he begin with that?

it would have been a very different approach if he had begun acknowledging the changes in the country being gracious and generous about it and saying, hey, i look forward to working with you and putting out a different tone. by beginning with the confront confrontational stuff it changed the color of the mood very much from the get-go. >> liberals wouldn't like that. the progressive base wouldn't like that. richard is talking about the realities that were facing the president. the realities are, he got hammered in 2010 and 2014. he won obviously in '8 and '12 but the most recent election given republicans the most seats in the house of representatives. some say since '29. i think it's more like since '49. and the question is why don't you face that reality head-on? why don't you face reality that your party has lost almost 1,000 legislate tive seats nationwide on the state level as well. say, we are a 50/50 country. just like i said in 2004. and there's not a red state

america, there's not a blue state america. there's one america. let's move forward from there. boy, that would have i think, might have been a better way forward. >> i'm just saying i'm not a speech writer, but hey. coming up fshs he was an architect of barack obama's 2008 presidential campaign. but will that playbook work at uber? david plouffe. great to have you on the show. >> we've got questions about uber. >> david plouffe joins us next on "morning joe." they challenge us. they take us to worlds full of heroes and titans. for respawn, building the best interactive entertainment begins with the cloud. this is "titanfall," the first multi-player game built and run on microsoft azure. empowering gamers around the world to interact in ways they never thought possible. this cloud turns data into excitement.

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knowing our clients personally is why edward jones is the big company that doesn't act that way. washington 2008 obama campaign manager, former white house senior adviser and now uber senior vice president for policy and strategy david plouffe. david, thank you for being with us.

we need to ask you about the president's state of the union address. you heard us talking about it. how do you think he did? >> i'm retired as politics but it's a casual observer, i thought it was a very strong speech. i think the economy is turning around. i think the president laid out a lot of ideas, whether it's on strid, whether it's on infra infrastructure, whether it's technology, education. hopefully things that washington will work together on. i think it will be good for both baert parties to put down the swords and try and find common ground. >> sounds great. david, i think you're the only person -- >> you're not a casual observer. >> a president in washington you see has been in the frying pan. you know what i'm going to do? >> what? >> i'm going the jump directly into the pan. you've got your hands full. why didn't you go work for major league baseball or the nfl like these places that have no controversy. willie has a question. >> good morning. you are the senior vice president and policy for uber. i use uber all the time. it's a great innovation. it's changed the way we move around in the city and others.

you've also had your challenges and there's a reason they brought you on to confront some of these things. price gounling is one and safety of passengers is another. we've seen some isolated incidents where there have been sexual assaults, things like that. how do you respond to people who say you've grown so fast it's a little bit out of control and you need to figure some of these out? >> i think you obviously constantly need to innovate. i think on safety from every ride being tracked so that when there are incidents, we are able to cooperate with the police to make sure those people are held accountable. to the rating system every ride is rated. to background checks best in class, you know, zero tolerance on dui, insurance on every ride. you know cutting down on dui and distracted driving. we have a study coming out today, an economic study, first real look at the drivers. it's important, too, willie we glad you use uber thank you. it's not just how people are

moving around cities. it's becoming one of the biggest economic engines in cities. ed lee was just on from san francisco. we have over 10,000 driver partners there. almost 20 now in chicago. 11,000 here in washington. so it's a fascinating look at who these drivers are. and they desire flexibility, they desire income opportunity. >> david? >> what's interesting is willie uses uber. he's come to the right show. willie uses uber and your butler and your driver uses uber as well. >> right? >> for willie to use it i think it makes perfect sense. i think there are some issues of safety. i'm not sure i would want my daughters using uber. and i want you to tell me why i'm wrong. but it just seems like -- unless i don't have the process down. it seems like you text the people. they come to you. they have your number. what's the background checks on them? what makes this better than hailing a cab? >> it's a lot better than hailing a cab. that's one of the reasons the business is growing so much and rider pace is growing so up ask people do feel safe using it.

every rider's seven-year background check, federal, county, state. zero tolerance on dui and motor vehicle violations. by the way, we reject every day people who want to drive on uber platform. many who might have sdrif ven for taxi for instance. every ride the gps tracked. you're able to write your driver. tinge scale of the business speaks for itself. people feel comfortable using this. this is something where we do think it's the safest way to get around the city. we've got a lot of bright people in the engineering product part of our company wh who are going to spend more time thinking about additional innovations because we want to do everything we can to make sure it is the safest ride. i think the fact that every ride is tracked, every driver is background checked, every ride has insurance. i think there's been a lot of misinformation out there. we now have 22 municipalities or states in the u.s. who pass ride sharing regulations and they en enshrine these things in the law. i think that's going to raise

the whole industry. >> david can you dissect the problem that you're on the show to help solve, which is it does seem like a huge pr problem for uber and it's now having economic consequences with the reaction in europe and other places. why? why do you think your company has a bigger pr issue than the other tech companies that are hot and given these huge valuations and doing big innovations? >> first of all, jim, the business is growing spectacularly well. the driver/partner base in december alone, 40,000 new driver/partners here in the u.s. huge numbers. over the next coming years uber will become one of the chief drivers in economies in these cities. people are attracted to the platform. we had some stumbles. you have to learn from those. what we need to do is basically do a good job of talking about the good we're bringing to cities. definitely safer. we're reducing duis. creating a lot of great income opportunities. we are serving underserved areas who had a hard time getting taxi

service historically. we're bringing a lot of people to small businesses. there's a lot of good that's coming in these cities. particularly as we look at a product like uber pool a carpooling service we have now in san francisco, new york and in paris, that's going to be remarkable because it means we're going to get cars off the road and reduce i'memissions. >> i want to speak to two things. one is an issue that jim just raised group find in city after city boston and new york you have all of these cab drivers. they pay a lot for their medallions and uber presents a real threat to them. now, i would prefer uber. i have the app on my phone because it's a far preferable than stepping into the back of a barn. some of the cabs snell smell like the back of the barn. the point that mika raised mika, i would tell you that uber is a lifesaver for young people. >> really? >> it's safe. you can track -- you can track where they're picked up. they can track where the car is going. >> is plouffe paying him?

>> if you have a young kid, not young kid, young adults friday saturday night, go out drinking. call uber. you know they're going to get home safely. david, thank you for allowing me to take care of your job. >> appreciate that. >> i'm embarrassed. my god. >> it's real. >> i thought you were better than this david. >> well, no mike just captured what i was talking about. i think a lot of cities -- no in a lot of cities you hail a cab, get into it, anonymous. every ride is tracked here. i think that's important. that's why i think so many young people young women, feel safe using it. i think, mike, to your point about taxi drivers. an economic study released today done by alan krueger, he is now at princeton, looks at that phenomenon. you have a lot of taxi drivers -- we partner with taxis in some cities. they may drive taxi for seven or eight hours and get on the uber platform. that's what's remarkable. people are in absolute control of their engagement with the ub irplatform. they turn on their car turn on

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glad that he sort of held back on the partisanship in the demagoguery. i guess i would say in his speech he dialed it down a bit from what he -- we're used to seelg seeing more decisive. he didn't do that it much. i think that's a good thing thing. the guy is a gifted communicator. i mean the solace i got out of that is the democrats don't have everybody in the stable who can match that but he gave a very good speech gifted speech. i think there were some areas of common ground there. >> what do you think mika? >> i was just telling you, you know, cut from what you said an hour ago, there are some republicans who found it were inspiring and even saw some good ideas in his speech and are willing to work with the president in light of his state of the union. paul ryan, thank you. >> paul ryan man, talk about digging -- digging down in the manure to look for the pony. >> that's exactly what he was doing there. reminds me of -- >> what?

>> ronald reagan story. >> there's a pony in there somewhere. >> yeah. there's a pony in there somewhere. we'll get to that. sister margaret told me in. ninth grade. two prisoners look out beyond bars. one saw mud, the other stars. welcome back to "morning joe." willie quickly, i want to do some rapid fire stuff because you've got chris christie, he's going to be headlining an event in iowa this weekend. both jeb and mitt are not going to because it's host steve king. toxic by the republican establishment. but in chris christie is the iowa congressman getting a candidate who is a political equivalent of what bruce willis was like "the sixth sense," a man who is dead but doesn't know it yet? >> what? >> harsh, but -- >> is this guy -- jim, that's what this show is about. i don't think that's the case. but you talk to people in the republican party and they say chris christie is already politically dead. that this is for his ego or this

is for some other reason. >> or he still believes it. >> since everybody is say this off camera let's talk about it on camera. i don't believe it. but that's what the establishment types are saying. is that fair? >> i think it is. at best he's a live man stumbling. if you look at the finances of his state, if you look at his poll numbers, if you look at the donors who used to be attracted to him i think they find jeb bush more attractive right now. it's hard to see where his opening is. the steve king crowd is not going to love chris christie. he's too moderate for him. for moderates, they will prefer jeb bush who looks like he's definitely? >> credit downgrades he's upside-down in new jersey and latest quinn by estst quinnipiac poll that came out yesterday. richard, he's proclaiming the country that's been the model success for his anti-terror campaign has been yemen, just four months after that pronouncement, does yemen once again expose barack obama's

dangerously out of touch with the realities on the ground in the war against terror? >> yemen is a failed state. it's a state that's as large as saudi arabia. 25 30 million people. a threat to it's. it's a threat to us and europe. it's a threat to its neighbors. the president should stop making predictions about the tra jethtory of any state in the middle east. >> it's a failed state. >> this is the 30 years war. this part of the world is going to be in turmoil not just for the rest of this presidency but for presidencies to come. >> hey, while we're talking about foreign policy. israel coming to speak again. this if i'm not mistaken, this guy is going to have talked in -- in the well of the house more than i did special orders speaking to -- >> he's got a little humor. >> this is a remarkable story. the white house did not know about this invitation from john boehner, the speaker of the house, to b.b. netanyahu.

the white house is reportedly furious about this. and it says john boehner doesn't have a lot of respect for the president doing this. but what about netanyahu willing to go along with this without consulting the west wing? >> b.b. has an election in mid march. this is part of the run-up to that. second of all he has an america strategy, congress not the white house. he has written off cooperation with this administration. he is basically decided to forge and run with the congress. >> mike, quickly, obviously also something that we're covering today, the pats. patriots the pat's flat balls as abraham lincoln called it when this controversy was brewing in the 19th century. richard nixon, he knows he's going to beat mcgovern. he wins 49 states. why break into the watergate? we've got the same thing here with belichick. as the colts said man, they could have beaten us with soap. why did bill cheg doelichick do it? >> a lot of nfl coach rest

paranoid about the game they are involved in. they disappear from july through the end of january with their teams. families never see them. they watch film all day long. they look for any edge if we that they can get. belichick has been notorious for doing that. he's a hall of fame coach. there was no need if it is proven did deflate balls. there was no need to do that. they could have beaten the colts by playing with golf balls. they were going to beat the colts. >> just so unnecessary. >> they've already lost in the court of public opinion. >> it was proven they were inflates? >> the nfl is still looking into it. >> the balls were inflated but how they got deflated they don't know. >> since each team controls the footballs that go out on the field for them which seems really stupid given the fact that this is obviously a franchise that turns hundreds of billions of dollars through it over the course of decades, how in the world -- >> that is just stupid. playing with the same balls. >> they have different balls for

the kickers. >> that's crazy. willie is the nfl going to do what the japanese authorities did to paul mccartney when he got busted for pot? we got to figure out a way -- dude broke the law. >> yeah. >> his fans are going to tear down the jail. we've got to figure out how to get him out. japanese authorities said the second we found the half pound of pot in his suitcase, hitt hidden in his jacket which by the way, paul that's not where you hide pot when you go into japan. >> and have a guy who carries it for you. in these day, paul they're drones. you can use drones. >> they don't work very well. blind mules. >> if you have him flying it, has some free time. >> this is the tamiflu talking. >> the second we found the pot in there we suspended his visa so -- they sent him back to england. >> they have to punish him because it's cheating but it's not going to have any consequence. you're not going to suspend him for the super bowl. >> the big game is coming.

paul mccartney concert is coming so you've got to figure out a way to let belichick off the hook. >> the investigation won't be done by then. >> what? >> they're not going to suspend him for the super bowl. >> what? >> they have two weeks to chatter about this and write about this. >> right. >> that's the big problem. >> they will give them a big fine, lunch money for bob kraft which they don't care about and take eye way probably a first round draft pick. >> when you say lunch money for bob kraft, i think you're underestimating bob kraft's net worth. >> who cares? they had an edge that they shouldn't have had. right? >> hey it's called due process. >> they cheated. >> maybe in the south of france due process doesn't matter. >> talking and talking and talking. they -- they were deflated. >> we don't know that. >> yes. >> they were deflated but we don't know who deflated them. >> they might have been set up. >> since the patriots are responsible for their balls, then they deflated them. okay? >> i think they pen it on the

ball boy. fire the ball boy. >> is anyone else responsible for the team? >> deeply saddened this ball boy would do this against their will. >> the ball boy's trust fund. >> we're deeply saddened. go to news now with -- are you -- did you move to monaco? >> did you forget my name? >> no i was going -- i was going to say with the south of france mika brzezinski but -- >> did you take your tamiflu? are you off kilter? >> didn't she move to monaco? >> because she's royal. >> president obama is on the road gaen with his state of the union to deep red states trying to gain traction for the bold of politically unlikely proposals. >> first stop, boise, idaho, only trip to the state during his presidency on the campus of boise state university. the president compared his agenda to the team's legendary last-minute 2007 fiesta bowl victory over oklahoma.

>> places like idaho, the only blue turf is on your field. i may be in the fourth quarter of my presidency but here at the home of the team with the most famous statue of liberty play in history history, i don't -- i don't need to remind you that big things happen late in the fourth quarter. >> gloi t to say willie he's going back to 2007. >> good politics though. >> that is good. >> most famous play in the history of that state. >> "the new york times" details the president's mindset going into the peachspeech describing a striking change from his, quote, presidential funk following the midterm elections. the president felt constrained from pushing his agenda and taking more executive actions at the risk of being toxic to his party's vulnerable senators. many of whom ended up losing anyway. the times reports the president's inner circle considered changing the speech's

venue outside the halls of congress perhaps in a town hall ultimately it was the improved economic numbers that gave him the confidence to push his agenda without fretting about the republican response. but a new survey by a pughew research poll. when people were asked to use a word to describe the president most said good followed by incompetent. it mirrors the results from two years ago but shows a departure from 2009 in the months when he first took office. >> see how it's changes? 2009 he was a socialist. >> yeah. >> right? like 20 people said he was a socialist. now he's moved from socialist to imp incompetent among his critics. good, good intelligence. >> i would like socialist over incompetent. >> i'm not sure i agree with the incompetent word but i will tell you one of the sort of issues for 2016 or things that people will be looking for is

competence. still think the government doesn't work. >> mikial dukakis used this is an election about competence. >> there you go. i mean for the republicans. >> don't you think that given the way the president has been received by republicans for six years now that the biggest party of him that we saw the other evening in the state of the union address was just him deciding to stand up there and say, in shorthand, i'm president and you're not? >> i think so. i think that's been his instinct though in the first day he was in office. famous meeting, jim with jon kyl on the second day that he was in the white house where they were sitting there talking about how tax reform how budget reform was going to take place, how the stimulus was going to be shape and barack obama looked at jon kyl and said i won. you lost. and that has strangely been the white house's attitude from the first day they walked into the office. they never -- after the 2010 election after the 2014 they

never got humbled the way bill clinton got humbled. they never got humbled the way other presidents get humbled when they get pounded by the realities of the white house. i think this is just a president unme thered. he's always thought it, now he's saying it. >> for sure. you think about the joke at the state of the union where he said, listen and i won those two elections and everyone chuckled. i think it goes to show that he looks at his own election victories but doesn't look at what happened with republicans. as richard haass was talk about earlier. they won in historic ways. you would think you would have to reckon with that reality because when he talks about there's no red america, there's no blue america, he doesn't even believe that. he knows that blue america dominates in the presidential elections but in off years it's red america that owns america. it's the reason you have the house majority as big as it is and probably almost unwinnable for democrats in coming elections. >> i think that, willie, again, what the president did may not be great for bringing the two parties together and getting

things done but it's probably really good for his political brand. >> absolutely. he's shooting high now. he doesn't have to run for re-election again. he's putting out the things that he wants, whether it's re-election, community college, cuba tax reform. i love the message toward the end of his state of the union talking about the cynicism in the country and what we out to do to fix that. now we've got the find policies to match that rhetoric. it comes from him and republicans. >> richard, you say he should have put the last first? >> i would have begun with that because i would have sent the message i recognize there's a new reality, we're here to govern. for the next year i would focus on that. that i think would have been a consistency between the politics and the pros. that was not evident in the speech. >> all right. >> okay. let's move now to capitol hill. yesterday republican senator john mccain held his first senate arms services committee hearing since taking over as chairman. and two former national security advisers testified -- >> really? >> yes. we might know one or two of them. -- testified on the top threats

nacing the world today, including dr. to prevent another invaugs by russia. >> in europe putin is playing with fire, financing and arming a local rebellion. occasionally even intervening directly by force. the only credible yet peaceful way to re-enforce regional stability is to deploy now in the baltic states some trip wire nato continence including also from the u.s. such deployments would not be threatening to russia because of their limited scale, but they would reduce its temptation to recklessly replay the scenario that transpired recently if

crimea. >> i agree completely by the way and i've been saying for some time we need to send the more he moves in the ukraine, the more troops we need to send to poland. but it's so fascinating that george w. bush's ideology that i was telling you ability earlier turned to dr. brzezinski from a hawk to a dove. barack obama's policy seems to have turned him back from a dove into a hawk. >> what goes beyond his contrary yeah nature which his daughter can talk about, i think the jennifer exception there we've gone from a -- >> when i say dr. brzezinski. this isn't about dr. brzezinski. this is 80% of the people you, the wise men. >> the realist that we've gone -- i think the take is we've gone from a president who tried to do too much to a president who has tried to do too little. both risky for the united states and for our position in the world and what you're seeing people like brent and brzezinski who represents the waterman of

our era to try to find that golden mean. what he was talking about it's not simply providing lethal aid to ukraine but nato right now, there's an amazing gap between our commitments and our capacity. we've got to close that gap. we have got to -- >> jim, in closing, there are political mp my indications for what's happened, too. just like george w. bush's overreach had real political implications. barack obama's let's just say passiveness, lack of action is actually shaking things back up in the republican party. a guy like rand paul is not going to be away to get away with on the campaign trail like he did two years ago about bringing america, bringing troops home fortress america. >> yeah. and i think that it sets the stage for what -- i think it's very important me bait we'll have in 2016 which i do think richard haass is right. we had too much of george bush too little from barack obama. how do you deal with this new arl aity? the new reality we're going to live forever under the threat of

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you know i'm not sure anything will come of it honestly. if it's true or if it's not true. you know i mean it didn't have much affect on the game if any. if it did, then whatever. if it's against the rule it's against the rules. but you see, it's not going to have any affect on this game. you know nobody is going to get suspended. nothing is going to happen there. they're going to play this game. whatever they did, the risk/reward was greater. >> i love it. >> when you have athletes talking about the risk/reward. cost to benefit analysis. >> joining us no you, nbc sports analyst, heinz ward and the former republican governor of minnesota, ceo of financial services round-table, tim pawlenty. >> interesting, tim pawlenty

few people know this. he was backup quarterback for fran tarking from 1978. >> that's right. >> crazy legs. >> he had the legs but pawlenty -- >> you don't get a lot of snaps behind tarkington. >> remember joe? >> yes. >> canadian. >> heinz, let's talk about this thing. as a guy who played so well in the nfl and worked with ben roethlisberger and a bunch of other quarterbacks. is this something that goes on in the league that the air is taken in or let out depending on the preference of a quarterback? >> that's a common practice especially for quarterbacks. you know, you get the new game balls. they have a little slickness to them so you want to scuff them up a little bit just to get that first layer. it's all about a grip for the quarterbacks. it's about having a proper grip. when you deal with bad weather conditions like rain it makes it harder to grip the football. you see a lot of quarterbacks wearing gloves. but then you see quarterbacks who are just using their bare hands. but the advantage that you gain from that is quarterbacks with

smaller hands tend to let the air out of the football to have the better grip on the ball. >> you weren't shocked? >> no i wasn't shocked. >> this is not uncommon. >> the patriots are just stupid enough to get caught. >> exactly. you said that. >> yeah. >> but you know clearly, if it was -- if you didn't gain advantage, then why do it. so that's where the patriots are. >> obviously you played football and pretty nasty climates. it does make a huge difference doesn't it? if that thing is inflated if it's new and if it's cold out, there's ice on the field, it's like catching a rock, isn't it? >> it is. but for a quarterback, to be able to throw the football it's all about having the proper grip. so when you have quarterbacks who wear gloves that's the reason they wear gloves to have better grip. quarterbacks who don't prefer to wear gloves and playing in the rain taking a little air out of the football now feels like a nerf football. you feel like you can throw it a

mile. >> what i don't understand is why are the teams involved in supplying and coordinating the footballs? the refs are supposed to inspect them, each team provides 12 balls and it goes back to the teams to handle thele bas. that seems like a recipe for this kind of manipulation in some instances. >> normally when you have the football you have to turn them in on friday. by the time friday and sunday comes around there's a lot of exchanging of the footballs. >> why doesn't the league just provide the balls? why are the teams involved in that? >> you want to have -- still, when you get these new footballs they have a type of film on them that makes them slick. you see a lot of ball boys scuffing it to take that first layer, that first coat off the new football just to have a better grip. it's all about the quarterbacks. because they touch the ball majority of the time and you want your quarterback to have a comfort level with all the new football. >> don't you think they're going to, you know change the rules now, is there going to be a guy controlling all the footballs now? >> i think the hardest thing for a ref, you look at it 11 out of 12 balls were found with air out

of the football. the first ball was the normal size. so a ref is really not paying attention to squeezing the ball and checking the air pressure of the football. that's something that you wouldn't even think about if you're a referee to keep squeezing every ball you have on the field. >> like charmin. >> do you think when you put this together with spy gate the patriots go on and win the super bowl, is there an asterisk next to everything the pateriots have done? >> it's tainted. they are dominant. people are saying well, they haven't won a super bowl since spyless the gate and now if they go on to win the super bowl, now you talk about deflated balls because with tom brady, the problem that the question that you have you don't know how long this has been going on. you know, this has been going on his whole career and he got exposed by the other team's ball boy. so i mean shocking news and it's the patriots because they have -- they've had so many -- so much success over the years. and that's the reason why it's big news. >> tom brady laughed this off when he was asked on monday.

i guess i've heard it all now. that's ridiculous. is there any way he didn't know the balls were deflated? doesn't that kind of request come from the quarterback? >> correct. he had to have known. he's sit there with the ball boy and they over the balls. scuff it up a little bit, take a little air out of it. knowing that in that particular game, the rain was coming. >> don't you think he looks guilty in that picture right there there? >> he still looks good. >> you know people it's like you know speed limit is 55. you go 56. it's minor but it's still cheating. >> that would be like a pitcher not knowing his baseball was -- >> it's cheating. >> it's cheating. >> millions and millions of dollars. it is cheating but -- >> but? but what? >> everybody does it. >> no. >> you know they all do it. he just said everybody does it. >> i don't know if everybody let's the air out of the football but i know -- >> they all get an advantage. >> you have to because if it didn't get an advantage then why do it?

>> the legal squeeze the ball boy and turn legal. >> no no. >> our game is about protecting the integrity of the football game. that's what it boils down to. >> what do you think is going to happen hines? they're not going to suspend belichick belichick. the calculation if you're the patriots. cash, which they have mountains of. fine i'll take that deal. >> correct, they don't want a first round draft pick anyway because they don't want to play guys. to fine somebody is nothing. you have to make a harsh stance because they cess precedent in the league as far as being top notch team for so many years. it starts at the top. you look at the scanned with the new orleans saints. suspending sean payton for a whole year. you've got to take that type of stance to let it be known across the league that you know what you can't cheat. >> before we leave this segment, let's talk about the game itself. deflated balls, notwithstanding. the patriots and the seahawks

look like one of the best match-ups that we've had in the super bowl in a really long time. >> you can't ask for a better match-up. you have tom brady who has been there before explosive offense. then you have the defending champions who dominated by their defense. russell wilson improvising, making some plays. you couldn't ask for a better match-up. as a fan, analyst, i'm happy to see these two teams go at it. >> what a shame is we're all talking about the game that was a blowout. nobody is talking about one of the most incredible finishes in the history of nfl playoffs. i mean, what russell wilson -- i will say i had to laugh at russell, oh, we knew all along. no russell, you had the worst game i have ever seen a quarterback of your caliber have on that level, other than of course every game that peyton manning ever plays in postseason. but he had a horrible game. but, man, they -- i actually

turned it off with 4:30 left going, i'm going to go out and try to walk. >> you think of the arc of what could be russell wilson's full career and they look back on this stumbled for three fourths of the game and came back with that finish. i like joe, he's still at a point in his career, in the human condition, he was so genuinely touched by the honor to play and so grateful for the outcome, it's nice to see that in a pro athlete. >> incredible ending. >> it was incredible. you're watching the game. you're saying here's the point spread. here's the time left. crunching the numbers. i don't see how they do it without an onside kick to get the ball back. they got the onside kick and went down the field. defense played great. it shows. you can everything the for 3 1/2 quarters but if you can be that good on defense you stay competitive and get a chance to win. >> hines ward is so nice to have you on the show. >> loved having you. >> appreciate it. >> i'm glad about what you said because here they were saying it's cheating but -- you're just saying it's cheating. >> it's cheating. it's cheating. >> thank you. all right. tim pawlenty, can you stay?

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i remember when tim pawlenty filled in for joe. he was so good we decided to turn the tables around here. this works. how do we look? tim, look. not bad. right? it's okay. >> i'm from minnesota. >> i want to see how you do reading prompter and interviewing our guest, joe scarborough. >> what camera do i look? >> you're good. just sit there and look pretty. okay? >> no, this -- >> tim, barnicle you be quiet. you read prompter and then go to joe. how are we doing here? >> joining us now former congressman from florida, "new

york times" best-selling actor and host of the most influential morning show on television he is always 100% correct. >> sell it. >> that's b.s. -- on every issue. he should honestly run for president of his local soccer club and he's the only man whose hair i'm jealous of. joe scarborough, welcome to the show. >> thank you. >> tom brady has nothing on you. >> except for deflated -- no. that was well-done. >> joe and tom brady. >> my hair. >> i'm glad that you did that to a magazine because i think the new york post just went a bridge too far. >> no. >> they went too far. >> joe, welcome back to the show. >> thank you so much for having me again. i love your set. >> we're glad you're here. it's always good to see you. >> it's a lot bigger. it's a lot bigger in here than when i'm sitting at home. >> what did you think of the state of the state, joe? >> don't start him. >> you know mike knows this. >> yes, i do. >> i'm uncomfortable talking about what i think, what my

opinion is. >> our job is to draw you out. >> you know what? i feel more comfortable hearing what other people think. >> oh, god. >> what do you think governor? >> you're nice to ask. thanks, joe. >> i love minnesota nice. >> i thought the president was relaxed, confident, comfortable, i think that has a lot to do with his improving numbers and improving economy. the substance of his speeches is something the republicans are going to buy for the most part. but there's areas of compromise. they are compromise and get together on trade. they can compromise and get together on parts of tax reform. they can compromise and get together on advancing cyber security policy and cyber security defenses and more. there's enough for them to come to the and get some stuff done. >> gosh you keep interrupting me. go ahead, joe. >> do you think it will happen? are you optimist, because i am more optimistic at every stage i think than other people despite the fact that my job is to be --

to analyze what's going on and be critical. i'm always more optimistic than the facts offen the ground suggests i should be. and i keep thinking they're going to turn the corner and figure out how to work together. is that possible the last two years? >> well, like that old country song goes, you know some things don't mix like you hope like watered down whiskey and coke. there's basic things here that are not going to come together. at least on the things that i mentioned and a few others the president is going to want some things, too, yeah they can get some stuff done. >> don't the republicans, isn't there biggest priority they have no now prove they can govern they can get something done? >> well, not necessarily, mike, because we just had the most nonproductive congress and they won. and that was primarily over opposing the president and opposing harry reid as a proxy for the president. they need to get stuff done. they should get stuff done. i think the country is looking for that. the correlation between winning elections and getting stuff done

recently isn't high. >> isn't that remarkable? you're exactly right. the least productive congress ever. if you took all of the scathing things that were spoken about the last congress, you know you could fill, you know a book that would go from here to california and back. everybody predicted doom and yet they were rewarded and it was a historic victory. they now have more siteseats. >> silver put his finger on something a year ago, very profound, joe, this ch is this. 95% of the congressional districts in the united states congress are demographically politically prebaked. most of these members of congress are not worried about losing a general election. they are worried about getting outflanked further to the left or further to the right in a primary and this has resulted in the bulkinization. >> who is going to win the super bowl? >> seahawks. >> i think you might be right.

>> one final tough question for you. >> p patriots. >> how happy were you to see your rival, the green bay packers, have their hearts broken? >> well, when the vikings can't be in it we root for the packers because it's the closest thing. >> do you? >> yes. >> good for you. >> because they're so nice in minnesota. >> this is minnesota nice. that ain't how it works in the south. >> you did good reading the prompter. you sold it. >> i did. >> you even said what how said about his hair and about how great and smart he was. you said it like you believed it, tim. we'll be right back with the next issue of "time" magazine.

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transform tomorrow. all right. with us now to reveal the new cover of "time" magazine managing editor. >> i'm serious. she's got fox tights on. i never knew you had it in you. you seem so -- what's the word?

you know. >> sophisticated. >> she's sophisticated and demure and perfect. >> perfect. >> foxy legs. i'm just saying. >> thank you, mika. >> let's take the steady cam off her legs. >> we do it to barnicle when he wears tube socks. >> you can get away from this when you come on the show for one important reason. >> no one else is up in the house. >> you look great. >> i love the cover. cheap gas, how long will it last, how long will it go? we also have brian sullivan from cnbc with us. mika brzezinski said before you came on said so good to see you. so, let's talk about the good the bad, the ugly the implications. what's the good of cheap gas? >> it feels pretty good. anyone who has filled their car up in the last month or so gas is down to national average of $2.05. under $2 in a lot of places. this puts money back in the consumer's hands. $750 tax break for every american household is amazing. >> mike, you put it another way.

>> yeah. it's really the first significant pay raise the average american workers have received in 10 or 12 years. you can see it happening at the pump when they look in shock only paying $30 to fill the tank instead of $55 or $60. >> what's the bad news about cheap gas? >> so there are various levels of bad news. it's bad news in texas where you know texas has been having basically an oil boo m because of fracking but fracking becomes economically not viable once oil becomes below $70 a barrel. it's now at about $50. not showing any signs of going up in the near future. so this means that in texas, things are starting to look a little more like the rest of the country in terms of employment and expenses. >> you talk about black-markets are the big losers breadlines. venezuela, falling oil prices is a reckoning for socialist revolution. i love there's a map here talking about the countries that are the winners and the

countries that are the losers and why the winners, united states, saudi arabia india because cheaper prices and china. losers venezuela, iraq iran and russia. >> russia obviously depends on oil exports. when the price goes down it's bad for russia. can lead to instability. venezuela, much more severe situation even. but, yeah for big economies like india and china, cheaper fuel is obviously a good driver of revenue. >> so should the united states export oil? >> that's a tough question. you know in the last -- >> explain why we have not in the past. why haven't they should we now? >> there's been rules against it. we do export refined products gasoline and sort of haven't seen you guys in a while because the last four weeks i've been in texas, north dakota. >> how bad is it out there? >> to radhika's point, closed down 74 oil rigs in one week shut down. those are jobs lost. about 100 jobs associated with

every oil rig indirectly. so you can kind of do the math. canada it's worse because their cost to production is higher. i agree with your point it's a big boon for consumers but let's not over -- underestimate the negative impact on u.s. economy. any jobs created in texas and knot north dakota and one of the few places we have seen wage gains in the oil and energy space. >> laying off people. >> 16,000 people last two days. >> lose jobs there but doesn't that also mean the cost of manufacturing goes down cost of doing business goes down. >> we transition our economy. >> that's true. because so much of the electricity we use for manufacturing and even in our houses is fired by natural gas. natural gas prices have also come down. we talk about gasoline but natural gas prices have come down as well too, so there's another tax break in the lower heating costs for most of america. >> all right. >> what impact if any do you think it would have on the keystone pipeline the construction of?

>> oh, i don't know. >> i just sat down with the ceo of keystone last week in calgary. they said they're going forward with it. that was his point. they want to export the gasoline we pipe through. we sat down together. >> in "time" magazine halftime is going to be a hit. we are going. we are going to the super bowl. isn't this funny? we're doing a prime time show. we have to know everything about it. i've been studying. i know everything there is to know about -- >> "time" magazine talks about halftime is a hit. what's the story? >> obviously you think about super bowl you think of watching football. the truth is the halftime show is now the biggest king maker in pop music. 10 or 12 minutes. but it is i think everyone talks about how fractured television audiences are now. you can count on the super bowl, it's about the one thing in the year you can count on for everybody to watch. >> all right. radhika jones, deputy managing editor of "time" and foxy. brian, stay with us. still ahead, a possible link between a certain type of birth

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i agree with every word he said in the speech with respect to trade and asia and getting in there and helping write the rules instead of china writing

the rules and the president's in the middle of writing a trade agreement with asian nations representing 40% of gdp means more jobs for america, more exports for us. something we have to get on top of and i agree with him on that. >> oh my gosh. you were right. paul was nice. >> he was adorable as always. no. >> a positive thing. >> i think he's an open-minded person and sticks to his conservative ideals. >> you guys have a special chemistry. >> no we don't. >> that was congressman paul ryan yesterday on "morning joe" in a rare moment of agreement with the president on the issue of free trade. >> from capitol hill republican congressman christine nom of south dakota and corporate affairs at caterpillar, kathryn carroll and mention part of our sustainable series. great to have you. >> congressman, begin with you. paul ryan said there are a few area where is republicans and democrats can agree on free trade, possibly on infrastructure.

let's be positive for a moment here. what are the opportunities? >> i think we have real opportunities on trade coming up in this next session. we're currently working on the trans-pacific partnership agreement negotiated with 11 asian countries and what congress will have to do soon is address trade promotion authority which is giving the administration the authority to move ahead on those negotiations. infrastructure is always a priority and we've got funding issues we have to come up with a solution here in the next several months as well. >> i was going to say, congresswoman, i was talking how i have always been a conservative/libertarian, but even i am beginning to understand that our infrastructure is getting older. we need to figure out a better way to fund it and most republicans on the hill believe that, too, now, right? that we really are going to have to figure out a better way forward on infrastructure? >> we need to fund it complete big projects here in this country and recognize it's one

of the major responsibilities of the federal government, to keep that infrastructure in place to have commerce happen across our country. it's not just our roads. it's also our rails, it's our pipelines. keeping things up to date is very important. >> i thought it absolutely fascinating, and you know that people are starting to notice. getting out of a plane in l.a. a couple years ago, mika and i said "blank" don't work. >> he was so mad. >> the infrastructure, frefrg getting everything from -- nothing worked. when you see in the abc news "wall street journal" poll katherine, the number four issue americans care about, funding infrastructure. it's starting to happen and americans are starting to see it. you told me an ain credible thing, though about our ports. tell everybody what you told me off-air. >> cartterpillar relies on this.

over 50% of caterpillar equipment in the united states leaves the united states for other nations as part of our exports. >> right. >> and we need ports that are capable of handling heavy machinery. 12 billion pounds of engine parts, machines has to leave our ports, and oftentimes our ports can't handle this kind of equipment, and as we testified before congress last year we have to use canada to export our equipment. >> that's incredible. >> unbelievable. >> yeah. we need to build these ports so they can handle it. >> where do e go? vancouver? instead of long beach. >> instead of long beach. even turbines. if you've ever seen thez they look like the bottom of a rocket ship. very happy. we truck our turbines to houston, texas. here we are in san diego where we manufacture them and we need to move them to texas on trucks. so it is a problem. 70% of americans realize it's a problem, and it's something that we actually share the president's optimism in getting

republicans and democrats together moving forward. >> this tpp, without getting wonky on trade deals. >> sounds like you're about to get really woinknky. >> who's down with tpp? >> the republicans and president in rare alignment. democrats coming out of labor is afraid it will steal jobs communications of america, against it. negotiated in secret. nobody knows the details. is -- i'll call the tpp in a rough way a nafta including parts of asia chile and peru. is it negative for u.s. jobs? >> we have opportunities to get input into this and as we move trade authority through congress we'll have the chance to lay out parameters to follow as these fall in place. soon as the administration completes negotiations this agreement comes back to us for an up or down vote. congress has a lot of say in what the final agreement looks like, but we have to recognize

that the population growth is not happening in america. it's happening a lot in asia and we have a huge market over there we want to be a part of supplying their needs. their food their supplies their technology. we have great opportunities in front of us with this agreement. >> katherine, you agree? >> absolutely. in fact, i'd just like to add a few points. one out of every four manufacturing jobs is supported by exports and we need these exports. caterpillar exports, about $84 billion in products over the last five years, and we want to see those exports grow. for every billion dollars of exports it creates 5,000 new jobs manufacturing job, in the united states. and these jobs are 13 to 18% higher paid jobs. so you want these higher wage jobs. we need to grow exports, and it helps american companies, and the suppliers of american companies. so we have over 14,000 u.s. suppliers that benefit from trade as well. >> all right. first of all, katherine carroll,

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this is good news, people. >> wait wait wait. did you just wink? let's see that again in slow motion. what? -- wait wait a second. hold on a second. doesn't he just realized he just lost an historic election? i mean both house bice historic margins? even his own party was deserting him. doesn't obama know he won't be able to get anything done in his last two years. oh -- oh -- oh -- he doesn't give a [ bleep ]! >> you know that's really -- >> okay. >> pretty much it. >> no it's not. >> yesterday, one of the funny thing, sitting there, with like 187-degree temperature, i

didn't know it could go that high. >> i didn't either. >> had that great tweet. >> funny. >> breaking news. and this is what i kept thinking when i saw the state of the union. he was really, really good. right? >> yeah. >> i mean, it was an incredible performance. >> yes. >> but it's kind of like one of those hollywood stars that do incredible performances then they walk on the street you go oh, wait a second. they're not really -- they lift those huge hammers and get lightning from the sky. in the words of john lennon is was all showbiz. i'm not being negative but he can't do anything. >> right. >> literally. he can do no more. i mean -- >> that's what's liberating about it though? right? all of this talk about him -- he's liberated. >> no, that's not -- no. but if you -- >> after the election --

>> he can't do anything that's not liberating. what do you, you say, okay. let's make deals. >> i think that's what he was saying. >> look back on the previous six years and look at the republican party, the democratic party and say i'm not going to say this publicly but there's no common ground between the two of them. >> that's not true. >> no capacity to find the middle. that's especially the calculation made right after the election thamplts is a defeatist thinking that has surrounded this white house. oh, we can't do anything. because republicans -- we can't do anything. if he had said instead, richard, plab i'm crazy, said hey -- >> we could debate that. >> i am crazy but if the president said listen, here's the deal. i want to get people that work hard $10 an hour minimum wage. you want a pipeline. >> pick your pipeline. >> instead of just saying it's just a pipeline forget it. when, of course canada and everybody else says it's a

really good deal and it's going to create jobs and lots of money and stimulate growth at least for two or three years and that ain't bad. republicans might go won't give you $10, but we might give you $9. there's always this defeatist thinking. either black or right, yes or no, i'm right you're wrong. >> this is actually a state of the union that should have been given a year from now. this is the january 2016 state of the union. >> then you can do the i was right you were wrong. >> and the state of the union. by then the window for governing would have closed. we know this is the last year it remains open. tax reform there are things he could have put on the table very, very solid. he had another year before he basically played 2016. i thought he missed that opportunity. >> what he did he played to his ego. he played to his base. he played to everybody in the white house that told him a lot of them are friends, those republicans are just bad, and

mika, you really see the difference between a politician who spends his entire life around his own type. whether it's democrats around democrats and republicans around republicans versus a ronald reagan or a bill clinton, deal with republicans and conservatives in arkansas. >> i don't know what state of the union you were watching, but i saw a very positive tone to it. i really did. and obviously, the audience was, for the first time you know republican-controlled -- he had a tough audience, and i thought he put it out there in a positive way saying we can try and do this without being to confrontational about certain specific issues which you know they would just seize upon and the next day, chatter about, until everything is dead. the door's now open. >> for sure watch john boehner the body language, look at the lack of a plays.pplause. the republicans took it as a negative state of the union.

>> your fever was just about to break. >> i might have been delirious. like right now hallucinating, thinking we'll have a straight down the middle conversation, but mika, the -- i -- i think at the end of the day, if you look at what the president said. >> uh-huh. >> and you look at issue after issue, it was democratic talking points he was playing, and even democrats said hey, he's societying up the 2016 election. that's all i heard that day. yesterday, hey setting up the 2016 -- you know what? we still have a year or two of governing to do and then can you set up like richard said the 2016 election. any hope any hopes for bipartisanship, willie seems to me deflated like a football. >> ah i love that segue. >> a good segue. first, this has been their posture, though since the midterm elections. on immigration reform community college, normalizing relations with cuba he's putting out what he thinks is best and the other

night on the tax code he'll put out his ordeal and force republicans to say no i don't think people should go to community college for free. people deported. no relationsry cuba. not a tax hike on the rich. he's putting them in the position of having to go against these things. whether or not that's productive to make those things happen you can debate about, but he's putting out his ideal at this point, because i don't think he thinks over the next two years they're actually going to -- >> it's going to actually be good for him. his numbers will keep going up. look what he's done on cuba for instance. the overwhelming of americans support what he did on cuba. look what he did on -- on the immigration executive order, the majority of americans support that. now, they don't support a pathway to citizenship. if you look at the latest nbc poll, but they support what he's doing and i think most americans will look at that, and the people that swing back and forth, and i think his numbers will actually go up. i'm just talking about getting

big deals done. getting tax reform done. doing immigration reform done mika. >> we'll get that sound bite for you for the next discussion on this, because i know we need to move on, but there are republicans who saw things in the speech they thought they could work with. >> the trade thing. >> paul ryan is one of them on the air on "nightly" last night, it made news because he didn't just hear a liberal agenda heard something he could work with. >> one or two things to work with. i'm talking overall picture. again, i'll a lot more optimistic than most people after this election. i really thought a lot of things where going to get done in the next two years and maybe they will. that wasn't the speech that most people would have given. i'm right, you were wrong. i've been right. you've been wrong. it's not usually the pathway to compromise. >> and one quick point on that, and also if you think of atmospherically what democrats always wanted from republicans rhetorically, they've got innocence the election.

mcconnell, boehner, a lot more republicans talking sensibly about areas where they might compromise. they know they actually have to govern. the moment they finally say, hey, we're willing to govern, president obama, we're not going to govern. >> the republicans are actually -- a nice change -- for the most part acting responsibly. >> i think so. >> i saw no one set their hair on fire. >> did you watch every single republican response? can you honestly say that? >> well i didn't see -- >> there were 85. >> i missed the ted nugent response. >> ah. okay. >> by the way, that's a good sign, that things are changing in the republican party. ted nugent was not the guest of honor with guns strapped on him. >> fantastic. okay. >> good -- >> back to your deflated segue. >> that was a great transition. >> had we not seen ted nugent in the audience sort of left me with a deflated -- >> there you go.

>> well done. >> i don't think we can show the cover of the "post." i'll leapt you decide. >> don't show it to joe. >> i haven't seen it. >> read it quick. >> i haven't seen it. okay. >> just -- read the story. the nfl -- is still investigating claims that game balls used by the patriots on sunday were under inflated by the team and whether or not it was intentional. ron mott has the latest. >> reporter: espn citing a anonymous sources reports that the nfl found 11 of 12 game balls used by the new england patriots were under inflated which can make the balls easier to throw and catch, especially in the rain as was the case in sunday's victory. the controversy over deflate gate as it called is social media centers whether they tampered with footballs after being inspected by the referee. >> it's possible the curt han been pulled back here on a series of things that go on behind the scenes that no one was really aware of. >> reporter: according to league rules two hours before the game 12 balls are checked by

officials by each team measured to meet specs and marked with the ref's signature. ten minutes before the game given to ball runners on both sides where the balls remain. how could it happen? carrying a pump needle like this insert it in the ball and release two or three pounds of pressure. enough, some say, to gain an edge even if barely notable. nfl rule do not have access to balls during the game but stip lates if anyone alters the balls face fines. >> i believe a suspension for the head coach might be in play depending on what kind of proof they have and even what kind of chain of custody they have on these stupid footballs. >> they've come this far. they've played good football. why would they want to jeopardize it? >> they're xheet erscheaters and should be punished. >> reporter: heavily fined for spy-gate in 2007. videotaping opponent's

during the game. >> push the boundaries con distantly. this time it appears they've gone outside it. >> reporter: while some colts players joked they would be happy to replace the patriots in the super bowl player dwayne allen said new england could have played with soap and beat us. >> exactly. >> hey, hey, hey, hey. thank you, dwayne allen. seriously. no, i'm serious. that's all class. it really is. the colts have for the most part been classy. could have played with soap and -- >> willie? >> for people that don't understand it you know quarterback, played in the north. i mean it's ice. when it's cold those balls are like rocks. you deflate it you can actually grip it. >> right. so the question is -- should there be some punishment leading up to the super bowl? that's not gawk to happen. not going to suspend belichick. a fine 25 grand something like that, take away a draft pick. >> take away their first draft pick. that will hurt.

>> mike barnicle this is playing huge up in boston's what do you think? what should happen here? >> hey mike do you love bill belichick as much as i love bell bilchik? >> all of these coaches are paranoid to a -- if people knew paranoia an football games and winning, people would be shocked. on this one, the patriots have already lost. they have priors. so in the public's mind and public relations paect ofaspect of it the patriots are already losers. i'd like to find out what happened, and i think we'll find out later today what happened and i assume if the patriots are found culpable of deflating 11 out of 12 balms in the first half of the game not in the second half of the game, when they were exposed, when the ball was exposed, then they'll suffer a severe penalty, because of their pryers. >> 45-7. a 38-point game. obviously the ball dns make a difference in the game, but

cheating is cheating. you got to punish in. >> not only that willie check the stats of the game. tom brady, the patriots' quarterback had a much better second half after they found out about the balls than he did the first half. >> okay. just why -- >> it make as difference. >> why did each team provide their own football? how stupid is that? >> that is the stupid part of it. >> opening the door to cheating. >> that's what you do. i mean, it seemed to me in high school -- when i played -- >> what a conversation. >> the other team in florida, i thought the other team actually provided -- >> still some kind of reform where these things will be held under custody, shall we say. >> is that the foreign policy over the story? >> no. deflation. yesterday. europeans -- >> here we go. a q&a speech in the chamber of commerce. >> he's not doing that. >> so we got a lot to talk about. you saw hillary clinton yesterday. >> she was in canada and in winnipeg speaking at the chamber of commerce, you just said and she channeled her inner vladimir putin, and did an imitation.

>> you wanted to -- >> how was she? >> take a look. >> if for some reason you decided to be leader of the united states, or actually run for that because there is a process. >> there is a process. >> and you got elected and people said you know what -- >> imagine the conversation with putin? prime minister after president and one day says vladimir you think you'd like to be president again? i think i would, actually. why don't we just go announce it we'll tell dmitri he could be prime minister. excellent, excellent idea. yes. we have a process. yes. >> i think -- that's not vladimir putin. that's bill clinton. >> she needs to talk to a marriage counselor. she actually sees her husband at vladimir putin. >> the worst vladimir putin i've ever heard. >> that was bill clinton. >> a lot going on overseas. get to it. violent protest in yemen which is reportedly simmering at least for now. shiite rebels shuck a deal with

the country's president late wednesday after storms his residence and holding him captive there. the agreement ends with local officials labeled an attempted coup. the deal promises to amend yemen's constitution and give the rebels more representation in its parliament. just four months ago, as the"the washington post" points out, president obama was holding up yemen as a success story in the fight against terror. the president said "the strategy of taking out terrorists who threaten us while supporting partners on the front lines is one we have successfully pursued in yemen and somalia for years." >> boy tell you what donald rumsfeld saying a few things. he wished he could have gotten the -- about iraq. chapter and verse that the president has -- keeps forebiding these quotes that keep suggesting he may either be out of touch with the war on terror or may just wish it didn't exist. >> you don't want to make comments that are confident in

predictions about any middle eastern state. now look four countries in the middle east essentially famed states. three for sure. syria, libya and yemen. iraq arguably a fourth. this one wasn't our doing, unlike the other three, but the fact is you got a country roughly the size of saudi arabia that is on the drinkbrink of failure. totally infiltrated by terrorist groups and lost essentially any part in the global effort against terrorism here. this is a serious piece of bad news. >> still ahead on "morning joe," he's the founder of paul mitchell hair care products. i use the gel growing up. like glue. >> what? >> spit in my hair nap will knock it down. >> pensacola gel. >> what you call it. the luxury tequila petrone. we'll heavy how he went from homeless to a $3 billion fortune and is now giving back. he joins us with his incredible story. that's at 8:30. >> i'm homeless right now.

the findings of a new study and potential impacts of a very popular form of birth control. information all women will want to hear. >> doesn't work. that form of birth control does not works ladies. but first, here's bill karins. i don't care what he tells you, it doesn't work. >> it works. a cute little boy you have. >> here's the forecast with bill, bill? the nor'easter, impacting the northeast on saturday. the storm now is in texas. amarillo, by far the worst weather in the country the last 24 hours. 11 inches of snow. more snow than we've had this winter in chicago and new york combined. take that storm and then track it across the southeast today. a lot of heavy rain. no snow for you down there, and then by saturday, it's going to come off the mid-atlantic coast. notice i wrote "cool." not cold. very borderline temperatures with this storm. we could get a lot of areas with the heavy, wet snow and some areas just with rain and sleet. so there's the storm located on sunday up there near nova scotia on the back side cold and

windy. i think we'll have a narrow band on the back side of this. somewhere in this vicinity where we could get the heavier snows. otherwise, i don't think it's going to be a widespread big snow. here's kind of how i think it will play out saturday into saturday night. areas in the white, best chance of getting enough snow to shovel or plow. it's a very narrow band. this does not go back to pittsburgh. buffalo, albany syracuse. look to get almost nothing out of this. this is mostly a coastal event and eastern new england. so again that storm today is in texas. then we'll take it on saturday up the northeast coast. this is not going to be a crippling nor'easter, it will be a pretty localized event, and it wouldn't even surprise me if this storm disappoints more than anything else. disappointing for the kids that want to play in it that is. not for those that have to drive in it. washington, d.c., snow yesterday. fun. looking cloudy right now and i heard the roads are pretty slick. you're watching plch ging "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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okay. >> all right. >> can we get the cam over here? >> sure. >> they've got a homeless guy over here. follow me. see, looking there? you're thinking oh a big news studio. go around the corner and -- i've seen this guy in central park with sunglasses in the summer. right? just stares at women. makes them very uncomfortable. >> a guy who looks like me. >> looks like you? your evil twin brother skippy. >> it's not me. have serious problems with me. >> can we do the morning papers? joe, sit down. >> i'm calling security toy take care of this. >> you need to come sit down

joe. >> it's warm in here. >> all right. let's do the morning papers. start in jersey. willie -- >> this is right across the river. watched it out of my bedroom last night. unbelievable. new jersey star ledger, hundreds of residents homeless after a massive five-alarm fire in edge water, new jersey, destroyed and apartment complex. more than 300 people evacuated from the apartment building with 175 units after it broke out around 4:30 in the afternoon. fire was so large, it was clearly visible on the west side of the new york city just across the hudson. it was contained, but not until late last night. nearby schools closed today after officials declared a local state of emergency. the cause of the inferno remains under investigation. i stepped out of my apartment this morning. all i could smell was that fire. >> you're kidding? >> in new york city. that was across the river in new jersey. massive. >> incredible. the "los angeles times" in mexico, a drone carrying over six pounds of methamphetamine crashed into a supermarket parking lot.

>> told you, willie. i couldn't control those things! i tried. >> we did the dry run i. know. >> you blew it. >> when you actually put the actual meth there, i found meth aero aerodynamically responds differently to winds and gusts and the baking powder -- >> get the jitters when it's the real thing. >> a lot of. you're controlling with a joy stick. i know. boom. >> where is your drone? >> just -- >> well in a supermarket. >> actually it's in a tree in your backyard. still there. using remote aircraft to smuggle drugs across the border is apparently not rare and earned the nickname blind mules. latest incident is under investigation. >> "time" magazine. ak-47 rifle soon manufactured in the united states. american gun company rwc in manufacture them domestically an u.s. impoegszed sanctions against russia prevented the weapons from being imported. historically manufactured by the russian company kalishnikov, the

official u.s. importer and distributor of ak-47s will open a new factory to produce the weapons. >> the telegraph, king tut's gold be burial mask irreversibly damaged after a botched repair job. >> hate to be that dude. >> at an egyptian museum in cairo. >> not good. >> oh no. museum employees say the beard snapped off. >> oh -- dude! >> during a cleaning attempt back in october and a rush to get the popular exhibit back on display. >> no. >> epoxy was used to reattach the piece. the hasty epoxy job leaked into the face of the mask and dried, leaving a visible -- >> holy cow! who is this guy? >> sounds like a contractor you know. the mask was also scratched in an attempt to fix the mistake. >> holy cow! >> locating king tut's tomb in 1922 is considered one of

history's greatest discoveries. >> and they decide to let it get repaired by cheech and chong? i mean what is going on here? >> can't you see he drops it looks around. gets out the gorilla glue and starts -- >> that's terrible. the toledo blade. comedian kevin hart purchased 500 tickets for fans to see his new movie "the wedding ringer" for free. fans and movie theater staff in toledo, ohio learns of the news when hart posted several messages on twitter explaining he bought the tickets as a thank you to fans for buying tickets to his sold out standup performance there. in all, hart spent $5,000 on the promotion. >> this guy's huge. you were telling me this guy sells out stadiums. 50,000. as big as -- >> he's huge. i think 15 million or 16 million twitter followers. as big a comedian as in the world now. >> that's what josh gad taught up. up next, are millions of women all around the world putting themselves at risk by

using oral contraceptives like the pill? findings of potentially a very important new study. we'll talk about it.

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welcome back to "morning joe." we're already talking about how our kids don't want us as home. joining you nous clinical assistant at new york university languageo medical center and nbc news medical contributor dr. internationally azhar and former editor of "parade" magazine editor of "cafe.com" hello. re-invention. maggie murphy. we'll get to that story, because you're in my book. grow your value and did you it. did i tell you during that interview this was going to end well? >> i'm thrilled. >> did you believe me? >> of course. i believe everything you say, mika. >> i think she was -- i think she didn't but does now. dr. azhar you're here we're going to talk about birth control, the pill and new research. always research about the pill that seems so confusing. >> uh-huh. >> because people take it for a lot of different reasons. >> yes, they do millions of women around the world obviously use the pill and other oral contraceptives and now we're hearing about a potential connection with brain cancer. a scary headline. >> it is. >> diffuse it or tell us why we

need to be worried? >> probably more diffusing than anything else and it's important to put this particular study into context. we're talking about brain tumors, which are obviously very scary, but not common tumors. okay? roughly five out of 100,000 people. numbers are quite small. >> why in the headline? >> it's a headline? why? because we all use birth control. it's probably one of the most u bic ewe ubiquitous things. not that it causes cancer. it was trying to show is there an association between the usa of hormonal use and it's a statistical point but a clinically meaningful one and they found for william who ever used hormonal contraception the risk was slightly high. when they used it more recently

within five years of the diagnosis of the brain tumor the correlation was a bit higher. longer use, the longer you use it. >> longer use? >> higher. then a subgroup analysis suggested that progesterone only. not combination estrogen pro 1ye69er roan progesterone only had the highest correlation. >> let me ask you this, because it seems to me that you take the pill not just as contraceptive, but a lot of women take to do prevent other thing. all of these different things. >> irregularity. >> dealing with testosterone leveling. >> endometriosis. >> take it too long and tear telling you -- what do we tell our daughters as they grow up? is it good or is it bad? >> the overwhelming evidence over the years has suggested that it's a relatively safe thing. though, of course, there are people who aren't supposed to be on estrogen at all, they have clotting problems, high blood pressure migraine, risk of stroke. we're not talking about those. the average woman using it for

those conditions plus birth control, hormonal contraception reduces risk of ovarian and end dough meet treeal cancer. i think as a woman, riskreduction sounds good to me. it for me always in medicine no free lunch, you weigh the risks and benefits. the benefits of taking it at the end of the day, when this is fully analyzed is going to outweigh that potential risk. >> i get it. >> the numbers are so small. >> doctor, is there a move away from oral contraceptives to other methods? there has been an increase in things like the iud, which started, very bad p.r. rap and my doctor recommended that. what do you recommend to women in your practice? >> basically -- first of all, i usually -- i don't always defer the discussion, but i usually defer the discussion to the patient's ob/gyn. they have the most knowledge in this. right? there are non-hormonal alternatives for people that's

the iud and it did get a lot of bad press, people thought this that and the other thing. at the end of the day, most women are good candidates for hormonal contraception. they're vastly different than decades ago. the concentration now of the estrogen and progesterone is so low, low enough to be effective but not to cause all the potential side effects. >> this conversation, we have to have again, because there's different -- different segments we can do on the pill. including the fact women used to have a lot more kids and as a result that made their cycle happen less and now you -- there's so many reasons to take it and so many reasons to be worried about how long you take it. we're going to continue that conversation, and this half hour segment, but maggie turn to your story. so excited. i take full responsibility for your success. >> it's all mika's magic. >> no. you know what? i interviewed you for the book i have coming outing in the spring. "grow your valley" " value.

i wanted to talk to you because of your outstanding career and you were just like -- ah, well, i'm leaving. >> well what happened was "parade" was successfully sold to a media group. >> it happens. >> that moved -- >> it happened to me. >> moved the entire team to nash gilles. ville. you were so sweet. one of the first who calmed. the first priority getting a lot of people who worked at "parade" a new job. almost everyone has one. fantastic. >> that's what i love about maggie. transition is difficult, it's what you know was going away. i went through the same thing and we talked about that but the first thing maggie said to me is i'm worried about the people who work with me. i've got to get them all jobs and you have worked on that but something came your way and i asked you in the interview to define your brand, and all that stuff will look for in the book but your brand matches what you're doing now. tell us about it. >> well i'm working at a brand called cafe.com, which is going to sort of own lifestyle for

people in the messy middle. people who are, have had their kids. are building different kind of office and family relationships. and we're really going to try to tackle lifestyle and stories everyday things in a fun, factual way. it's a great place for writers, and we're looking for writers. >> dr. azhar, you and i are in the messy middle. we should contribute. you have a 9-year-old? >> i felt she was talking to me. >> life crunch. the thing is reality, you learned when you know you lost your job and as i did. >> fired. i was fired. >> that's why i love you, mika. blunt. >> so fired. on my butt. >> what you do is life offers you these transitions and you're constantly now in transition. 40 isn't the 40 our parents had. we're in very very different places. and we're very proud of the things. proud of our kids. we sat down talking about our kids, but also proufd our work and work life. it's interesting mouch your work life defines you as woman.

we talk oh yeah. the kids wanted me out of the house. >> in my book i talk how your home life and work life should have synergy and all define your brand. i love it. so much on that coming up. messy middle. you look like you have it together. i know you don't. it's okay. dr. azhar, it's okay. thank you so much for being on. maggie murphy always great to see you. coming back? >> i am coming back. >> we're doing segments. still ahead, google is into a lot of things from the self-driving car to those high-tech glasses that never really caught on. will the internet giant now have better luck in the phone business? sarah eisen has that story, next. thank you for being a sailor and my daddy. thank you mom, for protecting my future. thank you for being my hero and my dad. military families are thankful for many things. the legacy of usaa auto insurance could be one of them. our world-class service earned usaa the top spot in a study of the most recommended large companies in america.

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i'm the person who's got the doctor here and talk about all's my problems. i'm sorry. >> it's the best part of my job. >> i'm go to ask you later about my sleep med disorder. time now for sara eisen who joins us. what you got? >> good morning. word fewer americans filed unemployment last week down from a seven-month high and word europe will add a brand, new, big stimulus program. cheering up markets looking at a fourth day in a row higher for all three major stock market indices. want to mention a google story. interesting. reports google will get into the wireless carrier business. in other words selling wireless service directly to consumers. we don't know a lot about it like when or how much it will cost, but it's very interesting that reports are indicating google signed deals with t-mobile and sprint to resell their services already google's a big player in the phone business. obviously, powers more than half of u.s. smartphones in the

united states with its android software, but this is a completely different game of actually selling directly to consumers wireless service. it's also interesting, because it's google. they've been a disruptive force. see if it means lower prices for the consumer. of course that could be a good side effect. >> back to you. >> sara eisen, thanks so much. i'm told we're going to break now. i think. >> no, no, no no no. we're not going to break. this is big news here mika. >> what's going on? >> we have thomas roberts. he's at the greatest golf course. >> what? >> on the planet. >> doral. >> the greatest golf course ever. >> come on. >> the greatest golf course greatest owner and in the greatest states greatest everything, getting ready to talk about the greatest pageant ever. i can't imitate donald trump, but you're down there, thomas. tell us what's got on? >> i am. just got here moments ago, after getting in last night, and it is the -- countdown to the 63rd miss universe held here at doral. it is a beautiful morning. mika i know you're very excited

for me and 88 contestants kpeeflted in the prelim competition last night. the jumps, prelim jumps, whittled it down to 15. all of the ladies are showcased sunday evening 8:00 p.m. on nbc but then the competition between the 15 but i have a very interesting offer, joe. paula shugert, president of miss universe, talk to joer and see if he'd like to be an official judge, fly down and they'll throw in a round of gulf. >> i have to tell you i care about the youth of america. sand oh i'm going to take it under advisement. mika has -- it may be all right for her to denigrate young women trying to make a difference in this world and care about world peace, but i will not. so thomas, i'm going to try to do it. i've got events going this weekend. but, of course i get sick every three days. we'll see. but thomas how great is it down there? how great is this pageant?

>> gorgeous. >> how great is donald trump? >> ah -- >> well, donald trump, you know i love -- >> don't you scowl, mika. >> it's great to be here in florida. this is much better than moscow. you guys know i ventured to moscow to co-host his pageant in 2013. this is a much better venue but i want to let you know about the entertainment, because we have gavin degraw. exclusive to you. hasn't been announced yet. prince royce and my buddy nick jonas, don't be jealous, but nick jonas is performing, and he is going to be one of the big entertainers. don't be jealous, mika. don't be jealous. >> what i do know. you'll do a great job. i just saw patrick in a picture. thomas, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> the 63rd. >> patrick's on the way down now. joe, jump on a plane. come on down here. >> i need to. >> you make this show a cluster -- >> mika you need to go down and be a judge as well. >> a stop judge?

>> don't be a hater. >> trying to convince paula needs to get mika in too, but we were afraid of mika being here as judge. >> she's a little negative. >> really? scroll up the tease. thank you. coming up our next guest went from sleeping in broken down automobiles to owning a luxury train car. the incredible story of the man behind both paul mitchell hair care products and petrone tequila. bring the tequila in here. that's next. ring ring!... progresso!

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really? now you're really worried about -- he says that picture's a little old, because as you can see, louis uses a lot of gel. a lot of gel in his hair. >> i happen to use paul mitchell. >> and see -- look at that. synergy. synergy with the show today. >> it's that hair. paul mitchell in your hair. >> that stuff is -- >> thank you. >> amazing. i used paul mitchell gel in eighth grade. joining us now john paul diorio founder of paul mitchell hair care and petrone tequila. that stuff is amazing. like glue. people throw around rags to riches stories but his is a true rags to riches story. incredible actually. to think about where you are now and where you were could you describe for us what rock bottom was like for you? >> you betcha. first thing, people have to know

america still works. free enterprise still works. we were all set in start in 1980. had a backer with half a million dollars. i left everything i did to start this company. of course, there's half a million dollars coming in. changed his mind at the last moment. that same day. nothing came in. he said inflation in the united states is 12.5%. unemployment 10.5%. interest rates if you could get a loan was 18%, and you had to wait in line for gasoline. your hostages are still in iran. haven't been released yet. this makes no sense. pulled out. there we were. no money. had a -- >> who's we? >> my partner a hairdresser, and myself, and between us we came up with $700. he was on his last money. and i said okay. let's just do this. i was too proud to ask my mom, who lived not far away. mom, can i have my old room back? i was too proud. i'm going to make it one way or another. i ended up sleeping in my car, and figuring out how to last off a few hundred dollars for a couple of weeks, and at the same

time sell enough so within 30 days i could start paying some of the bills. it was tough. it was rainying too. >> when you hit rock bottom and nowhere to go, in your case like nothing we've experienced. >> exactly. >> usually depression takes over and you can't think positively. you can't make it to that next step to get on the road to success again. what was it? when was that moment when you, living in your car, actually knew you were going to get out of this? >> i knew that if enough people used our new paul mitchell products that were hairdresser, they would like it so much. >> you're thinking about this living in your car? >> oh yes. that's the reason i made the decision not pounding on doors to go to work with somebody we knew if enough people ordered it they would reorder. i'll make it somehow. when you look up and ants are crawling over you, figure of speech, right? all you can do is up. right? it's going to happen. i'm going to make it. it's going to be tough and it

was tough. we should have gone bankrupt every day for two years. >> i still can't believe from your car you had that outlook. dr. azhar, jump in. next question? no. >> next question -- what are your secrets to your success? >> well i wouldn't say necessarily secrets. it's just that people should be prepared for a lot of rejection. i was living in the car. so if you're prepared for a lot of rejection, same thing when i was knocking door to door selling envike chloe pedias syasell ing encyclopedias. you have to be just as enthusiastic on door 51 as on the first door. you believe that what you have is so good if you tell enough people you're going to make it and be prepared for a lot of rejection and look at the bright side. i mean, it's hard to do. successful people do the things that unsuccessful people don't want to do. especially keep yourself motivateded. but you have to believe in your initial idea. i'd like the service. i liked this product. by gosh if i tell enough people about it it's going to work.

>> maggie? >> how much of your military training. you were in the navy. how much is that a factor. >> very good question. i was. a lot. when i received the lone sailor award last year i sat in washington, d.c. in front of the jerns and press, that the military takes ordinary people like myself and shows us how to work together as a team and achieve extraordinary results. i think that was very helpful. plus they taught you how to fold your clothes really cool and smaller area. >> a little grooming. >> oh yes. >> that's great. >> and giving back a lot at this point, amazing. >> yes. suction unshared is failure. john paul diorio thank you. this was fun. want to come back? >> sure. >> absolutely. >> any time. >> any time. >> part of the question. you've got to come back all the time actually. that's it for "morning joe." "the rundown" picks things up in just a few moments.

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