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high noon here in the east. 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." police in ferguson, missouri, are still searching for whomever shot and wounded two officers early thursday morning. those shootings took place during a demonstration outside ferguson's police headquarters. earlier ferguson's police chief resigned a week after the justice department released a 105-page report detailing racial bias on the part of the police force as well as other city officials. st. louis county police yesterday summed up what's been happening since the shootings. >> we've had several leads since then. i cannot tell you at this point that an arrest is imminent. there's certainly nobody in custody. >> msnbc's amanda is joining us from ferguson. we just heard that sound bite. but that was taken a little while ago. since then have police reported any developments in finding the shooter or shooters? >> reporter: no news yet, alex as police continue their

investigation and it's still unclear whether they've made any significant progress. this marks day three of their investigation since the shooting. and there are still a number of questions up in the air now. what we do know is that police believe a handgun was used in the situation though they've not been able to recover the weapon or locate who pulled the trigger. one officer was shot in the shoulder, another shot in the face. and the bullet is still lodged in their head. remarkably, the officers were released from the hospital just a day later. yesterday st. louis county police chief john belmer said he was surprised to see that officers seemed to be in strong spirits considering the circumstances. >> how about ferguson today, amanda? is there anything under way in terms of protests or things on the itinerary there? >> reporter: there are a number of community-based events today.

there's a city council forum scheduled for later today. there's a local election coming up next month in april that all eyes will be watching to see if there will be a change of the city council's makeup. later today, business leaders are supposed to gather to talk about the economic impact of the protests. they're saying these ongoing tensions are simply bad for business. but right now, it's unclear whether or not protesters will be gathering out here once again in front of the ferguson police department. last night was relatively quiet. but it's likely because there were heavy bouts of rain coming down throughout the night. now the sky is relatively clear. so we'll be keeping you updated on whether there are more protests later tonight. >> thank you so much amanda. new developments in that fraternity scandal at the university of oklahoma. the embattled sae organization has hired a lawyer and he's addressing the scandal for the first time. he's not ruling out legal action against the school. nbc's gabe gutierrez is on the campus there in oklahoma.

what did the attorney say? >> reporter: today the campus is quiet, it's on spring break after a very difficult week. but sae has hired this new attorney. the chapter is fighting for its survival basically. that attorney says he's not looking for a lawsuit. it's not his first choice but he's not ruling it out. this morning, the local fraternity chapter kicked off campus for this racist chant has lawyered up. >> i think there was a premature rush to judgment. >> reporter: stephen jones is the high-profile attorney hired by the alumni of sigma alpha epsilon at o.u. he represented timothy mcveigh during the oklahoma city bombing trial. >> we are interested where needed to act to protect the due process rights the first amendment rights and the 14th amendment rights of the members. >> reporter: he says members of the fraternity have gotten death threats and that not all of them

were involved in the chant this took place on a charter bus to a social event a week ago today. >> we're talking about one incident with nine seconds of video on one of five buses. >> reporter: in the wake of the o.u. incident sae has drawn scrutiny across the country. its headquarters is now investigating allegations of racism at louisiana tech university. the university of washington were looking into accusations that racial slurs were yelled at students on campus. the sae chapter says it wasn't them. >> i don't doubt that hurtful things were said to them. my claim is that it was not members of our house. >> reporter: the fraternity's image may be damaged but many members stress there are plenty of good chapters out there. mchale sykes is the president of the chapter at delta state university in mississippi. >> the easy thing to do for any

average person is to judge a large population by the actions of a few. >> reporter: meanwhile, here at o.u., the investigation continues. university officials say it would be inappropriate to comment on any pending litigation. as for sae's national headquarters, they say they support what the university did and they had nothing to do with hiring this lawyer. again, they support what the university did, which was shutting down this chapter, alex. >> exactly. gabe gutierrez, many thanks from norman norman. a massive wildfire in chile is growing now threatening two major port cities. some 4,500 people in six neighborhoods have been actually evacuated from the area and another 10,000 might be forced to leave soon. this time last year another wildfire in the very same area killed 15 people and injured more than 500. a popular ice cream brand is being pulled. several products off those shelves after a deadly listeria outbreak.

some single serving sizes of ice cream sandwiches and ice cream bars were impacted and three people have died in kansas. the company says all the tainted products have been taken off of store shelves and outover storage. the death toll expected to rise after a powerful cyclone made landfall overnight in the pacific. this is on the island nation of van vanuatu. today at least six are confirmed dead. many communities remain cut off to even first responders. and in ohio flooding fears among the vermillion river. that river's risen more than ten feet so far. a flood advisory is in place until 3:00 today. overseas now, a big admission from pope francis. this morning, the pontiff suggesting his days at the vatican are numbered.

nbc's kelly cobiella joins me from london. this is a most interesting story. we've all been talking about it in the workspace. what is the pontiff saying? >> reporter: it's interesting, alex. it's actually hinting around about retirement. we think of him as an energetic, fun pope. but he's close to 80 years old. he's 78 right now. and last august he said sort of half jokingly he only expected to be around for another couple of years. well now in this interview with mexico's mexico tv, he's suggesting he may step down early. since stepping out as pope two years ago, francis has been bombarded in brazil charmed the world's children, met leaders and activists. he's been to jerusalem, south korea, turkey the philippines and this fall, it's philadelphia. who could blame him for dreaming of retirement? in an interview overnight, pope

francis said i have the feeling my tenure will be brief. catholics around the world most of whom adore their new pope are stunned. >> you wish he's going to be the pope forever. but i know that it's his choice. >> he probably doesn't want to be doing this when he's 80 9 85 years old. >> reporter: pope benedict was the first papal resignation in many decades. pope francis is 78. the pope said friday i think what benedict so courageously did is open the door to the pope's emeritus. it should be seen as an institution.

is the job of pope no longer a job for life? >> the fact that he expects a short papacy simply says he's a realist about what it means to be man in his late 70s. >> reporter: pope francis says he would like to go out one day without being recognized for -- that lovely, lovely laugh. you heard that right. the pope said he just wants to eat his pizza in peace. but on a serious note he says this is something the church needs to take up in terms of a discussion of whether or not as people live longer whether it's possible for a pope to step down and retire when he feels that he is no longer able either mentally or physically to carry out his duties. a valid point. >> absolutely he says his predecessor, pope benedict has the courage of opening that possibility.

thank you very much kelly cobiella. coming up jeb bush is playing it coy in new hampshire while scott walker tries to establish himself as a 2016 front-runner. how the gop is shaping up in the first in the nation primary state. highest in initial quality and long-term dependability by jd power. ♪ chevrolet, the most awarded car company over the last year. get this epa estimated 36 mpg highway 2015 chevy malibu with 0% apr financing for six years plus $500 purchase bonus cash. find new roads at your local chevy dealer.

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>> reporter: governor bub issh is getting a good reaction and he's setting out in a little bit of retail politics. it's interesting, the 2016 presidential campaign hasn't officially begun yet but it sure feels like it has in new hampshire this weekend. establishment favorite jeb bush making his first political trip in 15 years to the key primary state of new hampshire pressing the flesh at a fund-raiser friday night. >> this is my inaugural voyage in a house party that looks like this at least. >> reporter: but questions about his e-mail use followed him here. bush pushed back against democrats who have tried to link his use of personal e-mail while serving as florida's governor to revelations that hillary clinton used her personal e-mail when she was secretary of state. >> we complied with the law and we've now made all of my e-mails long before mrs. clinton's issues came up we made them public for you to see. so it's totally different. >> reporter: the latest nbc news marist poll shows bush has

fierce competition. scott walker is just a few points behind. walker lacks name recognition and he tried to make that a virtue virtue, taking a swipe at bush, the son and brother of former presidents, telling "the tampa bay times" on friday i just think voters are going to look at this and say, if we're running against hillary clinton, we'll need a name from the future not from the past to win. rick perry made stops on thursday and friday and ted cruz arrives sunday. >> new hampshire, like iowa, is all about the touch. it's all about meeting the voters and this is their introduction to those voters who are so important. >> reporter: and no surprise the democrats are also eyeing new hampshire. hillary clinton is reportedly building up her team in that state and other potential democratic candidates like

martin o'malley have been visiting as well. so it begins alex. >> so it begins. thank you very much kristen welker. let's get more now on the republican rendezvous in new hampshire. for that we go to jimmy williams and mercedes schlapp. jimmy, i'll start with you, right now, wisconsin governor scott walker is in new hampshire speaking before grassroots trainers. and as kristen welker was mentioning in her report there, he's one of four potential republican presidential candidates this weekend. you have that latest poll showing governor walker trailing jeb bush by just a few points there among the republican voters in new hampshire. rick perry just wrapped up his trip there. look at that. dead last at 1%. but it's a small picture of republican voters.

still very early, jimmy. does it tell you anything about the potential gop field so far? anything of substance? >> the republicans i talk to say that bush, while he might be the, quote, front-runner per se even though scott walker says he's the front-runner now, most conservatives at this point just don't trust bush enough. mercedes may want to chime in on that. so they're looking for a new person, a ted cruz a scott walker a rand paul, a marco rubio. whomever that may be. and so the idea that jeb bush -- if he's barely ahead, that tells you that there could be this sort of okay we don't know -- we know who he is and who his family is obviously who his brother and his father is. but we just don't know enough about him yet. so i think republicans are sitting back and waiting. and they should. they need to know the positions that each of these candidates has on a variety of issues.

new hampshire, people are very, very picky about what they pick, per se. they're not foolish voters. they will study on these republicans, they will look at them and then make a choice 332 days from now. >> absolutely. mercedes on that issue of whether or not scott walker is the front-runner jeb bush was asked that question by my colleague kasie hunt. let's take a listen to that. here it is. >> reporter: scott walker is also here in new hampshire today and he called himself a possible front-runner. do you think that's a premature assessment? how do you judge it? >> well i'm not a candidate. maybe he is. but you can't be a front-runner until you start running. >> so that "not a candidate" line, mercedes why be coy about something that we know is going to happen. isn't there any merit to getting out there in front and getting the money, getting the backing, getting the name recognition and association? >> right. and jeb bush is doing that.

but right now, we're in the dating process. they're all visiting these battleground states which are all very different in their constituencies in terms of the republicans. so i think what you're seeing here is that this is still wide open. you've got jeb bush who's building a strong ground game raising a lot of money, securing the donors. but then you're hearing governor walker, obviously he's got his following, viewed as the street fighter of the group. but then we're starting to see marco rubio start to rise. he's getting a lot of the romney old team and support from the romney area. so it's really interesting how it's starting to divvy up. i'll call it the flavor of the month. flavor of the month will change constantly. >> yeah. >> i think in that sense, it will be interesting to see -- we're a long way away from knowing who the republican nominee is going to be. >> we absolutely are. let's talk about the fallout over hillary clinton's private e-mail server during her time at the state department. jimmy, you called out the

republicans, in particular trey gowdy for being a hypocrite. >> all of those federal employees' e-mails are accessible. on the congress, that doesn't apply to them. most laws don't apply to the congress. so i find it slightly hypocritical that trey gowdy who leads this select benghazi committee who has known that hillary clinton was using a private e-mail the entire time that she was secretary of state just like colin powell that he's now put this out there. but we can't see his committee's e-mails. we can't see what he's doing. we pay trey gowdy and the democrats on that committee, we pay them as taxpayers. we paid hillary clinton to do that job. so why is it that congress has a different set of rules for themselves but the executive branch does not? this is my problem. furthermore, i have a bigger problem with the idea that the

republicans that are running for the nominations, the ones we just talked about, nearly every single one of them used a private e-mail when they were governors of their states. rick perry, jeb bush scott walker -- the list is infinite. and yet we have a different standard. hillary clinton is held to a different standard. people go, well the governorship isn't the same as secretary of state. i don't buy that. the reason is because if i were a resident of florida and you told me my governor was running a surreptitious e-mail campaign and doing business where we couldn't see those records and now he wants to be president of the united states, i would demand to see those records. same thing for scott walker and for rick perry. and if we're going to hold her to that standard why not hold the men to the same standard the republican men? >> this has nothing to do because she's a woman, jimmy. that's such a weak argument. >> tell women that. >> i'm a woman. i'm telling you. >> you're a republican woman.

tell democratic women that. >> this has to do more with the history of the clintons. the fact that they've always come across with this feeling of secrecy and complete control and there is a sense that the answers she gave at the press conference was incredibly weak. this idea of convenience when you know that there are state department policies in place that she didn't follow. >> she followed -- mercedes -- >> the state department said she is in clear violation of the state department policies. if she did not include the sensitive and unclassified information or classified information, she used -- they didn't know that she had her -- >> the state department made it pointedly clear that she did not -- >> that is not -- you're wrong, jimmy. the state department -- it just

came out that the state department officials said she could be in violation of these state department policies. >> mercedes mercedes mercedes the state department made it pointedly clear that at no time did she send classified information over that e-mail. that is a fact. you cannot go on national tv and say that she did that. she did not do that. >> jimmy, it was very clear that she -- first of all, we don't know what e-mails -- >> so vote against her. this is the problem with the republicans. >> jimmy, the democrats -- editorial boards in the media are all raising these questions. these are questions that need to be answered. >> it's a double standard, mercedes. >> no. the fact she didn't follow the rules, that's a double standard. >> jeb bush didn't follow the rules. he broke florida law, the same exact thing. >> no, he didn't. >> what is the difference? they all want to be president.

>> i think a lot of the situation that comes up is what she did or what she could have done. >> right. >> without completely going through all the e-mails at this point, you have to see what the content of them all are. some may be lost forever. but you guys are arguing over what she did versus what she could have done. i'll have some researchers look into this and try to get back with some sort of a resolution to the two of you, just to make peace. >> we'll make peace. >> of course we will. >> you guys, thank you for the lively discussion. appreciate that. >> thanks, alex. coming up the safest cities in the world. where does yours rank? hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? it kinda is. it's as crazy as you not rolling over your old 401k. cue the horns... just harness the confidence it took you to win me and call td ameritrade's rollover consultants. they'll help with the hassle by guiding you through the whole process step by step. and they'll even call your old provider. it's easy. even she could do it. whatever, janet. for

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amanda sakuma got their view. >> reporter: tona has lived in ferguson for the last 50 years. >> i've seen the city sort of slide down and then rejuvenate itself. it's a small town. >> reporter: tona volunteers at this shop a community store and public space steps from where protesters have gathered since the shooting of michael brown. many white residents like tona say they are not aware of the racial tensions in ferguson until michael brown's death. >> i wasn't aware there was so much unhappiness. i feel very bad about that. i think i should have been -- i thought i was involved and apparently i wasn't involved enough. >> reporter: questions of racial tensions are at the fore front of a city council candidates forum this week just after two police officers were shot on the footsteps of the ferguson police department. >> obviously you can cut the tension with a knife.

>> reporter: an audience of mostly white residents gathered to meet the candidates one month ahead hoft upcoming local elections. many questions were raised over how public relations should mend race relations. >> it's just within very hard the last few months to be able to find a way to sit down with each other. and i'm hoping that as time goes on that the tension will dissipate and maybe that will give us a chance to really talk. >> reporter: many residents say they're searching for a way to make those conversations happen. but it hasn'tn't be easy. >> you do sit and you talk to your neighbor and you talk to someone else and you get a completely different view of something that you had absolutely no clue about. and that to me a amazing. >> let's bring in right now,

jason johnson, professor of political science and melissa harris-perry who needs no introduction, host of "melissa harris-perry" right here on msnbc. jason, to you first, how surprised are you that so many white citizens of ferguson weren't aware of what's been going on around them? >> i'm not shocked at all. that goes back to my experiences when i was in ferguson. i went to the first baptist church. it was a majority white meeting and most of the residents there were more concerned with how ferguson looked than whether or not there were actually problems on the ground. there were people there who were saying, i only go to the black part of town to buy wings, that's a quote. it doesn't surprise me that people are that oblivious as to what their own police department was doing to their black neighbors. >> melissa, how do you get to solutions when you have some that aren't even acknowledging a problem, whether it's out of ignorance or not being aware? how do you get to a solution? >> part of what i heard was

people who had goodwill. this is important as we talk about what manifestations of racial inequality are. if we begin with the presumption that racial inequality exists only because of ill will. if in a circumstance of lack of knowledge and general goodwill you can still have the kinds of clear practices of racial inequality that we saw, then we cannot solve it as much as i think it is important to have the conversations, we actually can't solve it through interpersonal conversations. we have to do the work that's already beginning in ferguson to structurally dismantle the ways in which that inequality is being reproduced by the policies of that department. >> very good point. we talk so much jason, this disconnect between the white community and african-american neighbors. obviously it's not unique to just ferguson. how prevalent, if you can put a qualifier on it how prevalent do you think this is and how can

there begin to be better understanding? we all talk about this. we're doing it on national television. >> i think it's incredibly prevalent. you can see it in cleveland, in pittsburgh, in cities all over the country where there is -- people can have the best intentions in the world but they don't necessarily want to take responsibility when actual facts and data have been placed in front of them. look at the community forums they've had for the candidates. brian fletcher the former mayor, is saying i don't really think this is a problem. you have others in ferguson saying, well i think the d.o.j. report is just a bunch of statistics. i think what needs to happen in all honesty, talking is fine. that entire department needs to be eliminated. they need to start from scratch and rehire better people. and i think that's something that can be done in a lot of departments across the united states of america. >> i'm going to explain that graphic, the cities highlighted across the country. this was almost lost in the heat of the moment over the shootings

on thursday. this announcement by the a.g., eric holder. let's take a listen. >> we have selected six cities to serve as pilot cities for innovative strategies to strengthen bonds between police and the citizens that they serve. by helping to develop programs that serve their own diverse experiences, these cities will stand on the leading edge of our effort to confront pressing issues in communities really across the country. >> how daunting a task in these six cities across the country? trying to build trust between police and their communities. >> it's so important that you put in it that context of there was the d.o.j. had already planned this announcement but the night before there was the shooting of the two officers and it was almost lost right, in part because it began to shift the narrative. eric holder's tenure as attorney general is an interesting case study of this. in 2009 he got in a lot of trouble for the nation of cowards conversation. but part of what he said was, we have trouble talking to each other. and, in fact i had a critique

because i was like i don't want my attorney general to talk. i want my attorney general to sue somebody. you're the attorney general. but in fact that's precisely what his tenure has done. as much as conversation has been sort of the engine that drives our interpersonal experience of this inequality this attorney general and this department of justice has been very very focused on structural change and the fact that as he goes as loretta lynch hopefully will be confirmed, you see them taking real action across the country in mays that hopefully will bear fruit on something that is very hard but requires systemic efforts to address. >> i want to switch topics. this racially charged incident the racist fraternity video by the university of oklahoma students. you both teach on college campuses. jason, how surprised were you with this behavior from these sae frat boys? >> i wasn't surprised as all. you see this sort of thing -- i'm sure melissa has stories as

well. there are things you hear from your students. there are behaviors you observe on your own. but what impressed me is somebody snitched. there was a kid on that bus who clearly put his own risk his own behavior and his own fraternity at risk to say, this is wrong. it's a sign of progress even in the midst of that behavior. >> how about the decision to expel the students? was that a good idea? >> i want to be careful because it may be in this one case and as much as we're digging into it in the media there may be things i don't know about. but i'm not a fan of expulsion, only because if you have done something, if you have a set of beliefs and opinions that i think are deeply problematic, if i believe in education, if i believe in the power of what my college can do and i think my college is not in line with that, i don't want to send you away, i want to draw you closer. but since i don't know what the

disciplinary record of these individual students were i can't speak directly to whether or not expulsion was right. but in general, i would prefer not to expel people. i would prefer to engage them. >> yeah. jason's obviously agreeing with you. these teachable moments where you continue educating these students -- >> it's different if it's a crime. this is not the same claim i would make about title 9, sexual assault, rape. but in the case of -- part of it for me is when 20-year-olds behave badly and say appalling things, it always creates for me first curiosity. why? >> right. >> and so for me the why is almost always about the environment we as adults have created for me. it creates introspection. >> and i just want to add this i completely agree with melissa not just from the freedom of speech standpoint from the educational standpoint from the, you're not going to eliminate the problem by letting them go off and just be bitter. but i view it very differently

from the standpoint of the sae fraternity. they have a right as a private organization to shut down that chapter if they think that's a bad reflection on them. i think that's different from what the university has done. >> i would agree. >> jason, good to see you. melissa, thanks for the o.t. you can catch melissa every weekend in the mornings at 10:00 a.m. a 1 1/2-year panda is officially the adult in the panda world there. time to start living on her own. just ahead, we'll check in with her caretaker.

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joining me now is dr. brandy smith, the senior curateor at the national zoo. how did bao bao and her mother take the separation? any hesitation or was it just a natural time to do it? >> it was the natural time to do it. bao bao's taken to the separation very naturally, very easily. her mother is having a little bit harder time with it. >> typical, speaking as a mother, you hate it with the kids go. but routine now, i understand bao bao is a little bit of a night owl. she's playing out there when her mom's not around. >> until now, her schedule's been dominated by her mother. the first night she and her mom spent apart, bao bao spent all night playing with her toys. she was up all night. and in the morning, she was sleeping in. she didn't want to go out. >> i understand that when she understands when she's going for check-ups, right? she knows you guys and your team. but she can lift up her arm for

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thing when someone pulled up behind him, knocked on the window got their way inside the car, put a gun to him and told him to drive. he later identified that man as tamerlan tsarnaev. he said right away that man told him he was responsible for the marathon bombing and for killing a cambridge police officer. >> imagine the terror. interestingly you reported that mang told the defense he never saw dzhokhar with a gun, only tamerlan. how did that play out in the courtroom? >> reporter: that's are been a point of contention for the defense this entire time they've been trying to prove as the government brings in these witnesses that tamerlan was the one who was in charge. dzhokhar was influenced by him and was just following along with his older brother. so that goes along to that same point that mang only saw tamerlan with a gun. >> however, for the first time prosecutors were playing this video. we're going to show dzhokhar in the moments before the bombing walking through the crowd and then in the aftermath, you'll see him highlighted running away

from the scene along with some panicked spectators. so how did the prosecutors portray that video? >> reporter: the prosecutors are trying to portray that they were equal in all of this. they showed both of them walking up to the forum restaurant together, the site of the second bombing. and then tamerlan going off up to the finish line in front of marathon sports. then you see dzhokhar standing there behind a group of children along a fence, putting that backpack down and then making a phone call before walking away literally seconds before the second bomb goes off. >> and then oddly 20 minutes or so after the bombing, the country's in a state of panic. you see dzhokhar tsarnaev seen on surveillance video in a whole foods store in cambridge. he walks in calmly, goes to buy some milk. how did the lawyers from both sides address this? >> reporter: it was interesting because they're limited in what they can say beyond the

testimony. but the video kind of explains itself. he's walking in at 3:12 p.m. the bombs went off at 2:49 p.m. he walks into that whole foods, a market that he clearly must know has several surveillance cameras. he makes sure he's seen on those surveillance cameras, even coming back in the store to exchange that half gallon of milk before leaving again in his car with his brother presumably. >> placing him inside there. you compare that with all the victim testimony like the nurse who lost both legs, her husband lost one leg. what did she say? >> reporter: just really comepel compelling testimony. when she came into the courtroom, she was in a wheelchair with her rescue dog. she described being at the marathon feeling like she was in a rocket with her husband landing on the ground just seeing him injured and going into nurse mode and trying to

help him, not even realizing that her back was on fire and that she was injured herself. just terrible to hear some of these stories. but amazing how many of these survivors just have such a positive attitude with their lives going forward and have kept their strength in testifying in this trial. >> yeah. alisha, thank you so much. ahead in the next hour a modern-day roam owe and juliet love story, the real-life couple risking imprisonment and death just to be together. and the growing trend of teenage girls engaging in vicious fistfights.

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heading? a president who will do whatever it takes, whatever it takes. >> greetings to the granite state, potential presidential hopeful scott walker delivers his message to the state but not everyone there wants to hear from him. and why a new poll may sound an alarm for apple about its new wearable wonder. good day to all of you. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." we begin this hour with new arrests after that disturbing video of an all-out brawl inside a new york mcdonald's two more teenage girls have been arrested for their participation in the fight. stephanie gosk has the latest. >> reporter: it's front-page news in new york city the vicious fight at a brooklyn mcdonald's seen around the world just after school got out on monday. a group of high school girls ganged up on a 15-year-old classmates.

the crowd jeers and no one at least at this point steps in. not even as she lies on the floor getting kicked. employees called 911 and the victim was taken to the hospital. now police say she refuses to name her attackers. one 16-year-old has been arrested and charged as an adult. two jr.s at the same high school told me they weren't surprised there was a fight here. they see them a lot. when it happens, what do the other kids do? >> pull out their phones. >> that's so messed up. >> reporter: sadly, videos like these are far too common online. this one got more than 8 million views. one viewer commented, brings me joy. one website has become in part a showcase for teenage girls brawling. in some of the videos you can hear kids cheering on the fight and boasting that it might make it to worldstar.

>> it's all about the likes. we live in the time of social media. makes sense. >> reporter: but where were the adults? why would an adult in that mcdonald's not step and get involved and break it up? >> fear. fear of the youth. today more adults are afraid of their own children. >> reporter: this man runs youth outreach, trying to curb violence in brooklyn. >> our community is at a point where we're at our lowest when you can have girls, our young girls feel that it's okay to be that violent. >> reporter: to change that he says, somebody is going to have to step in. >> our thanks there to stephanie gosk for that report. we should note the nypd is asking people to step forward with information to help in their investigation. to new hampshire where wisconsin's governor walker has just wrapped up a speech at an event for grassroots trainers. take a listen to how he'll tackle if he runs for president.

>> should we choose to get in this race and we're feeling pretty strong about reactions like we heard here today and others across the country and should we be blessed with the opportunity to earn the votes of people here and around the country, one of the things i take seriously is not just being president but being commander in chief. >> nbc's kasie hunt was at governor walker's event. let's talk about your perceptions of the takeaways from his speech. what sticks in your mind most? >> reporter: well this is governor walker's first opportunity to introduce himself to new hampshire voters. he's been meeting with party activists and leaders. he had breakfast with the republican county chairs. this was his opportunity to make his pitch to the voters here. what's followed him here is his reputation as a union buster. he actually drew some protesters from not necessarily new

hampshire but the new england area broadly, some of them from boston, who were not too happy to see him in their neighborhood today. take a listen. >> he's bad for america, he's bad for american working families. i'm a music teacher. and to call everybody who's part of a union equivalent to a terrorist, that's his credentials for being in the white house is that he stood up to unions, all he's doing is breaking unions. >> walker i'm not a terrorist, i'm a union plumber. >> reporter: so there you have it. and that's really the thing that from both the perspective of the republican primary and ultimately the general election that's going to shape how walker moves forward here. there's sort of a race on to define what voters don't know about walker. if the only thing republicans know is he busted the unions what else is there? how do you fill in the blanks? we're already starting to see some of the potential rival campaigns throwing research at governor walker, the insinuation that he's flip-flopped on key issues. we talked to governor walker

right after his speech. he was pressed a little bit on whether he flip-flopped on some of those issues. he does acknowledge changing his position on immigration. he said the reason he changed that was because he's watched some of what's gone on on the southern border, the security issues down there. that explains why his position is different now than it has in years past. >> do you get a sense he is a self-proclaimed front-runner here? >> reporter: alex it's very clear that bush and walker are sort of eyeing each other as they both traverse. they've covered a lot of the same ground here in new hampshire, met with some of the same people been in some of the same places in the state. while the criticism has been in some cases muted, jeb bush had to be prodded to kind of go after walker it's very clear that both camps are at this point focused on the other. so whether that makes him the front-runner, it's obviously a very wide field. but it is a label he threw out there for himself and it's the way both the bush and walker camps are acting right now. >> always good to have you on

the show. thanks so much. hundreds of people in madison, wisconsin, are expected to attend the funeral for tony robinson later today. the unrm aed 19-year-old was shot and killed march 5th by police during a confrontation in his apartment. there have been a number of demonstrations since that shooting. more than 1,000 people attended a march on wednesday. in wisconsin, when there is a case of police deadly force, the investigation is handled by an outside third party. in this instance the state department of criminal investigation. police in ferguson, missouri, are still searching for whomever shot and wounded two police officers early thursday morning. those shootings took place during a demonstration outside of ferguson's police headquarters. a bit earlier, ferguson's police chief resigned a week after the justice department released a 105-page report detailing racial bias on the part of the police force and other city officials. st. louis county police yesterday summed up what's happened since the shootings. >> we've had several leads since then. i cannot tell you at this point that an arrest is imminent.

there's certainly nobody in custody. >> msnbc's amanda sakuma is joining us from ferguson. any information from police in terms of who pulled the trigger? >> reporter: it's been pretty quiet here. there are no new updates on the investigation. earlier this week we saw s.w.a.t. teams swarm a house about four blocks away from here at the ferguson police department. they took three people into custody for questioning but those individuals were later released. police are on the hunt for a suspect. they've said that scores of calls and tips have been coming in to authorities and now they're asking for more. there's even a reward out. one for $3,000 another for $10,000 for any information that would lead to a direct arrest. but for now, police are on the hunt for a suspect which we still don't know how far that will be going. >> yeah.

i should have said police are searching for whoever was the shooter. any planned demonstrations? >> reporter: many community events are planned for today. some business leaders want to meet and talk about the economic impact here in ferguson. they say many of these protests has really been bad for business for them. also this weekend, we're expecting a city council candidate forum where many residents will be able to meet with the candidates and get to know them before the upcoming election in april. this will be a very crucial election to see if residents will be able to mix up the council. that was one of the main concerns brought up of the lack of diversity reflected on the council. we'll see how that goes later on. >> amanda thank you for that report. let's go from there to oklahoma where the embattled sae fraternity appears to be gearing up for a fight. the chapter's hired a prominent

lawyer who's not ruling out legal action against the community. gabe gutierrez is on that campus for us. how real is the threat of a lawsuit and is it officially in the works or not? >> reporter: good afternoon, alex. that's a big question right now. officially it is not in the works. this attorney says he's not ruling it out, however. today on the campus of the university of oklahoma, it's quiet. it's spring break. this sae chapter, the local one, is fighting for its survival. it's hired a high-profile attorney. his name is stephen jones. and he is best known for representing timothy mcveigh during the oklahoma city bombing trial. he says's not looking for a lawsuit, that it's not his first choice but he's not ruling it out. he says that in this case there has been a rush to judgment and that he's here to protect the rights of the alumni and the rest of the students here at the local sae chapter. now, in the wake of this incident at o.u. this video

surfacing last weekend, in the wake of all that sigma alpha epts epsilon around the country has drawn scrutiny. there are allegations of racism being investigated at louisiana tech. the university of washington are looking into allegations that racial slurs were yelled from the sae house. the sae there says it was not them. but there are questions surrounding the national fraternity right now. here at the university of oklahoma, the investigation continues. university officials say more students could be disciplined. but right now, they are not commenting on any pending litigation. they say it would not be appropriate to comment. and the national sae chapter says it had nothing to do with hiring this chapter. the national headquarters says that it supports what this university is doing in shutting down this chapter. >> gabe thank you so much. a call for help a group of tiny islands bears the brunt of

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the shootings took place after ferguson's police chief resigned in the wake of a scathing report by the justice department. let's bring in a leader of ferguson protests who has been on the streets since august to keep the memory of michael brown alive. i'm awfully glad to talk with you. i'm curious, first up, most recently, these impacts early thursday morning -- rather the shootings, what kind of impact do you think they'll have there in ferguson? >> we're still waiting to to find out who the shooter was. what we know to be true is the shots came from 500 feet away from where the officers were. we don't know who the shooter was. they were not in a space where the protesters ever are, where we park or stand and it was disappointing to see the chief make such imflam toir commentnflammatory comments to say the shooter was embedded in the protests.

>> it's been called an outside agitator who may have come in. does that make sense to you? you've been leading these protests, the majority of which have been peaceful. you're trying to get a grip and turn things around and move forward positively. >> let's be clear, i'm not leading the protests. many people in this space are organizing and making change happen in the protest community. i hear you, this idea that this could be a turning point but the reality is we don't know much about the shooter. people are trying to discredit the movement and peddle this narrative that this is somebody who's trying to disrupt. we don't know what happened. there was somebody who shot. there are so many unknown things. i don't want to speculate like the police chief has done in an unproductive way. >> let's talk about what happened last week with that justice department release of a scathing report on bias by the ferguson police and judicial system. how have people reacted to that report and was there any element of surprise to it?

>> yes, no element of surprise. it was confirmed long before the d.o.j. got here. the report is the truth. we can't fight the truth. the truth said in that report about the ferguson p.d. that it's a racist police department that it peddles racist policing. we know that to be true. people were excited that they came out. but the thing is that's not justice. that was necessary and good but not justice, just like those resignationrez resignations resignations. that's not justice. justice is accountability for those who perpetuate and initiate the trauma. those resignations that's not justice. >> what do you want to see happen next? there's a sense of justice -- again, those two things you're saying that haven't happened. but what will defend justice for you in a practical way going forward? >> there are a host of things. it would be a disbarred mccullough, an arrest to darren wilson. a disbanded police department

fired police officers, knowles leaving. those would be accountability in some way and we haven't experienced that. remember in st. louis, seven people have been killed by the cops since august. and we have not had any updates on the other six people that the police have killed. we are looking for accountability and justice. and we've not experienced any of that yet. >> i always talk about everybody having the power of going to the ballot box and putting forward what you want, your vote is as important as mine or anybody else's. with these upcoming elections, do you think that these protests will have an impact on that and make a difference going forward? >> there are people both in st. louis city people are organizing. there were people organizing around the alderman elections. and in ferguson, there are candidates running and we're excited in the protest community to be supporting those people. i'm hopeful there will be change. but remember this is the 218th day of protest. and it's not like in 218 days we're going to overcome 400

years of racism or a police department that has a history of racist policing. we're community building and coming together to form a new political reality and that takes time, too. >> deray,you've been part of these protests since august. at what point do you stop? at what point do you say, okay now i'm seeing the change that all these protests are trying to put forward? >> the protests will end when justice begins. we've not experienced justice. there hasn't been any accountability for any of the people who initiated the trauma or perpetuated the trauma of racist policing in ferguson or st. louis county or st. louis city. when we think about the fines and fees there are a host of other issues that are really important and i don't see the protests ending anytime soon. like i said today is the 218th day of protests and the protests remain strong. >> thanks for talking with us. >> thank you. it is apple's latest gadget to wow the world.

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joining me now, christina warren, senior tech analyst at mashable. you just hear about the watch, what it can do. were there any surprises in the release? >> some of the surprises we saw was, i guess, that there weren't a lot of surprises other than the price. there was a lot of speculation about how much it was going to cost especially for the 18 carat gold version which starts at $10,000. that was a big surprise. a lot of speculation about that. and sure enough apple came in super high on that price. >> how about anything the watch can't do that you think it should be able to do? >> i think apple is being minimal with with the watch can do. it's very much a companion for your iphone. a lot of people expected it to do more than measure your heart rate. i think that apple is going to be easing into what the health benefits and what the health features of the watch are until users are comfortable giving over their health data and

having a device on them at all times that's monitoring some of those things attached to their body. >> there's an article describing the watch as lovely potentially overwhelming wristwear. but the one thing we don't know is how successful it will be. i mean it is apple. and usually what they do goes golden. but what's your take? >> i think it's going to be a hit. if anyone is looking at this and thinking it will be the next iphone, obviously this is not going to be that device. but this has the potential to be the first wearable we've had. and lots of other companies have tried to really get mass market attention. i say that because apple isn't selling this as a gadget. they're selling it as much as a piece of jewelry and a piece of fashion as they are as a gadget. and i think that's going to go a long way, especially towards users who are interested in having something that looks good on their wrist in addition to something that can help you get around, get an uber get on an airplane and take your heart

rate. >> but the poll shows 69% of americans say, we're not interested in buying this gadget. any sign of trouble for apple? >> i'm not that concerned. we have to wait for it to come out. these polls often -- people say they're not interested and they wind up seeing it on other people's wrists and wanting it. we saw the same thing happen with the ipad where tons and tons of people said i'd never want one of these. and as soon as it was out, it was a big hit. i do think it's going to come down to what applications are available for the watch and what people can build around it. remember, the iphone didn't even have apps for its first year. but after the app eco system came into place, it became ewe ubiquitous ubiquitous. it's a platform for people to build new experiences. it could maybe help you get things down in a much better way. >> i want to also quickly go to that $10,000 price there. cnbc offers this headline the best $10,000 investment apple

watch or rolex? the answer is unclear. and one of your colleagues wrote this no the $10,000 apple watch will not be your family heirloom heirloom. how successful do you expect the $10,000 version to be? >> that's going after a very specific segment of the market people with plenty of money and want it tor status. that's not a big segment of the buying public. that's what they have the sport edition for. but there are people who are in the luxury goods market. and this is an area where most technology companies don't even try to play. but there is a huge luxury goods market. and apple i think is hoping it can get a small piece of this. what we have to keep in mind is that you and i and most of the people at home are not going to be the person who the $10,000 watch is for. it's for the kim kardashians of the world. some of those people really like their wristwear. >> can i say thank you for not putting me in that category. christina warren, thank you.

>> thank you. still ahead, an upclose look at the rescue of a baby trapped in a car for hours. oh yea, that's coming down let's get some rocks, man. health can change in a minute. so cvs health is changing healthcare. making it more accessible and affordable with walk-in medical care, no appointments needed and most insurance accepted. minuteclinic. another innovation from cvs health. because health is everything. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn.

welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." 32 past the hour. time for your fast five headlines. blue bell has recalled some of its ice cream products after three people died from listeria poisoning. those victims ate the tainted ice cream while patients at a hospital in wichita, texas. a salvage operation is ongoing to recover the blackhawk helicopter that crashed off the florida panhandle in dense fog on tuesday night. seven marines and four soldiers died in that training accident. a military hospital says the crash happened after the crew decided to abort their mission because of bad weather. in chile, a massive forest fire has chased some 4,500 people from their homes and another 10,000 may have to evacuate as well. a state of emergency has already been declared in two cities. in china, a police officer's recovering after a wild ride. look at this video showing him

clinging to the hood of that car for about a third of a mile after he pulled the motorist over for a routine traffic stop. police finally stopped the car and helped the officer who suffered some leg injuries. today marks the 65th anniversary of the fbi's list of the ten most wanted fugitives. 504 people have made that list since 1950. 473 of have either been captured or located. those are your fast five headlines. there is some incredible new video out of utah. it shows the moments a baby was rescued from a car after it crashed into a frigid river. our salt lake city affiliate was to first to get this body camera footage in the rescue of little lily. >> reporter: it's a heart-stopping look at the nine minutes that saved baby lily's life. after she spent 14 hours ups down in a half-submerged car. with no hesitation first responders raced to the wreck,

splashing into the icy river. on the body camera video, you hear them realize the 18-month-old is inside along with her mother who police say died when the car crashed. straining to get the baby out, they do. >> pass her up! pass her up! right here, right here. >> reporter: rescuers moving fast breathing hard. >> come on baby. >> reporter: she's in trouble and they know it. >> she's definitely hypothermic. she's freezing. >> reporter: they sprint to the ambulance where they try to get her blood circulating. wrapping her in a blanket, performing cpr. finally they reach the hospital. >> we've been doing cpr on her. >> reporter: the video ends with lily in the care of the doctors who help save her life. it's a breath-taking first-person perspective of a rescue that has captured the country. baby lily's recovery and her return to her family safe and

healthy. >> i'm just really blessed and i'm just glad to have my daughter here with me. i'm overwhelmed with joy right now. she's just a miracle to me. >> reporter: from start to finish an incredible story of heroism and hope. >> wow. police in los angeles arrested a kidnapping suspect after a car chase and bloody shootout. that high-speed chase ended near the campus of usc. authorities were in a stand-off for more than an hour with the man. the suspect finally jumped out of his suv when he got into a shooting battle with police. the suspect was hit at least once by gunfire. no officers were hurt. and a woman on her way for a slice of pizza made a grand entrance into that restaurant. look at that. you see she landed on the top of a car when it slammed into the pizza shop. this happened just outside of denver. she bounced off and managed to walk away. the graveyard of empires is no match for true love for a

year now, rod nordland has been chronicling this couple. nothing could keep those two apart. but their families certainly tried. when they fell in love her father and brother vowed to kill them. they trudged across mountains and borders finding crisis at nearly every turn. this roammeo and juliet are finally together at home but not safe. joining me now is rod norland. this is a compelling series of articles you've written. before i get to the actual story, how did you come across them? >> actually a woman who worked for the women's ministry from where they're from in the central highlands of afghanistan

e-mailed every journalist she could find an e-mail address for and i was one of them. i went up to see her and she told me about this case. she has since fled the country, successfully. the lovers themselves tried to flee the country as well much less successfully and ended up coming back. and now they've returned to their homes. basically because they're out of options for the moment. >> yeah. so let's talk about the traditional culture of afghanistan. the way they treat marriage and crossing ethnic lines. this is enough to make fathers and brothers say, we are going to kill our daughter and sister. >> and they do. it happens very frequently, these honor killings. it's fairly rare that people from different ethnic groups and different sects marry one another. but it does happen. and when it does happen it's almost always against the wishes of the family. in afghanistan, typically the father chooses who you marry and his word is law.

to defy him is basically committing some sort of moral crime and although technically the law is on their side in practice, most people who do what this couple have done do not survive very long. >> so these two, they flee and perhaps one of the most heart-wrenching parts of this story is when the couple make it to tajikistan. they can't apply has refugees. hopefully come to the west. but that's not what happened. >> no. that's what they hoped would happen. instead, they were set upon on the street by plainclothes policemen in tajikistan who in fron front of crowds of people on the street beat them up robbed them and then forcibly deported them from tajikistan. after that happened she was quite pregnant by then with their baby. and i think they felt that they didn't want to take any more

chances in another country and they went back to a place that at least was familiar to them even if they weren't really that safe there. >> but i want to ask you about that not being safe because legally they are married now, rod. they have this baby girl. and yet they still have to look over their shoulder. i understand she can't even go outside. >> yeah she does not go outside unless she's accompanied -- for very good reason like going to the doctors or something. otherwise she stays indoors. her husband's brothers stand guard with him, they take turns guarding their home at night. and he's begun to arm himself for his self-protection. and the police officially say that they'll look after them. but there's a lot of ill feeling from her family. and in these kinds of cases, we've seen families that have wreaked their vengeance even years later. they bide their time and wait.

there's ever reason to expect they'll do so in this case. the couple have made efforts to try to reconcile with her family, to try to see if a bride price could be paid to satisfy them. and nothing has made any dent in their anger. >> i couldn't stop reading either of the recent article that is you wrote about this. but i'm curious about the reaction in afghanistan. what's that been like? >> well it's generational. among a lot of people there was a lot of anger toward what they did and anger at "the new york times" for covering it. a lot of people feel that love is wrong. people marry because it's a family arrangement for a variety of reasons but not for love. and love is really disparaged and an effort is made to stomp it out. of course that effort is never successful in the end. among young people though they've been kind of heroes.

and they've had a big following, photographs that have been done of them have been rerendered as paintings and they've kind of entered the poplar folklore in afghanistan. >> if they do live to see their daughter's adulthood, one thing is for sure we won't choose her husband, he said, she will. rod, thank you so much for bringing this story to our attention. it is a promise of hope for an economic rerival. how is cuba faring two months after president obama's historic decision to renew diplomatic ties with the island nation?

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restored. since then american interest in visiting the caribbean island has skyrocketed. the latest "newsweek" cover story explores how the easing of restrictions against cuba could mean big bucks. the cover features that iconic illustration praising capitalism with that phrase. joining me now, abigail jones who wrote that cover story which detailed her recent trip to cuba. abigail, i want to talk about the sense of the cuban government that you saw there. did you get a sense they were starting to incorporate some of these changes already? >> since december when president obama made his announcement, some things have changed but not everything. so first just to put it on the table, americans can now travel to cuba more easily and they can send more money each year to cuban nationals which is important because as tourism grows, it gives those cuban families a chance to support themselves and they can start new businesses. they're popping up every week.

but the embargo hasn't been listed and cuba is still on the u.s. terror list. we have a way to go before the big colossal brands show up. >> may not be showing up yet but tourism is. i looked at the stats you put in the article about the charter flights, the surge in that alone. one company saw the request go from 30 in january of last year to 1,300 in the first two weeks after the president made the announcement. so do you think they're ready for the tourism? can they handle the people the increased population that way? >> what i can say is every single local that i interviewed during my time in havana is hopeful and so excited by this news. i've had mothers and fathers talking about how all they wanted is for their children to have better opportunities and a better life than they could possibly give them. their concerns almost everyone had this same concern, is an americanization of cuba so that you have the major brands coming

in and -- >> burger king, pizza hut, mcdonald's on every corner. >> right. diluting everything that makes cuba is special. >> i want to talk about what life is like for the average cuban. you wrote they make less than $20 a month. last year there was a doctor who reportedly quit practicing medicine -- to try and drive a taxi for $200 a month. one doctor gets a raise from $26 a month to $67 a month. talk about how far that goes because it doesn't seem very far. an average good meal in a restaurant is 30 bucks. >> staggering numbers. the taxi driver who we hired for my trip when i was there is a trained physician. after just four years, he quit his job and opened up his taxi company because he can make more money. he said to me i am saving up because i want to help my brother-in-law who's younger than he is get to the u.s. because in his opinion, there's no future for him here despite the fact that there are all these changes.

add on the flip side, i met a woman in her late 20s a professor of psychology at the university of havana. she makes $30 a month. on the weekends she volunteers to help kids with cancer. she doesn't want to leave. partly because she loves her country, she wants to support her parents, she's an only child. but she's an intellectual. she could quit and work as a waitress and earn much more money. >> you mentioned the intellectuals. at the start of this article, fascinating party that you walk into that the intellectuals and the artists are really the most celebrated facet of cuban society. talk about that party. the clothes, the lavishishnessness. it's hard to believe it's there. >> it was the last place i expected to be hours after my plane landed in havana. but i was in a two-story penthouse overlooking old havana. it was filled with the cuban elite.

cuba doesn't have real estate moguls or hedge funders. artists are among the 1%. and there's a specific reason for that. art, books and music were exempt from the u.s. embargo. so many artists were not just able to work well within the watchful eye of the cuban government but they could leave and it gave them a chance to earn money. >> abigail, thank you so much. we'll see what happens with cuba. i'm dying to go. >> go. as soon as you can. >> thanks so much. it is a rare quirk of the calendar and the clock and might renew fears for those who tremble at thought of doing math. that's next. who thrives on the unexpected. ha-ha! shall we dine? [ chuckle ] you wouldn't expect an insurance company to show you their rates and their competitors' rates but that's precisely what we do. going up! nope, coming down. and if you switch to progressive today you could save an average of over 500 bucks. stop it. so call me today at the number below.

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huge. pi will be the same for all of them. and it's a number that goes on it never seems to end. it has been calculated to over one trillion digits beyond that decimal point. today's date matches up very nicely with the first five digits of pi. 3.1415, and than this morning, the rest of those digits lined up perfectly for the first ten, some calling it pi second when the date and the time match up with the first ten digits of pi. well my colleague steve kornacki marked this moment this morning on up. >> you're going to have to be frozen to experience this again in two, one. boom, they're all matched up. >> joining me now is david getting a laugh on that one too. he is the author of the joy of pi. to explain all of this i want to thank you for being here. what is it that makes pi so interesting, david? >> well pi is fascinating for

all kinds of reasons, but one of the most interesting reasons is it's the only numerical constant. a symbol for math which almost everybody knows. anybody over the anyone of 12 knows about pi. but it's also interesting because it's actually come to represent math and science. and it's come to represent the unknowable. the immeasurable. almost the mystery in math. >> okay. and these, i mean literally, a trillion digits it goes on past that decimal point, really? >> even more than a trillion. the current record is over 12 trillion digits. and in fact pi has been proven to be infinitely long. we will never find the end of pi. >> okay. when was this discovered? how was it discovered? >> well originally the first mathematicians were in ancient greece about 2500 years ago and they started realizing that he has the circumfor instance around the circle this had relationship to the distance across a circle a little over three, but it wasn't until the

20th century poo them a started to get into calculating a lot of digits. thousands and thousands and millions of digits of pi. >> i'm curious what kind of practical application this has. for people like me not mathematicians by any stretch, i memorized it, i got it to pass the question on a test. how has this benefitted human kind? how has this knowledge of pi been put into a practical application? >> well, it's a funny thing because you really don't need more than just a couple digits of pi to do almost any math you'd want to do. architects need 1.1415 perhaps. engineers only seven or nine digits of pi to do accurate math. why would you need millions or billions or trillions of digits. calculating is pi is one of the ultimate stress tests for a computer. it may not do us as humans much good, but it does great good for the computing industry because if you can, if you can calculate a trillion digits of pi

accurately, then you know your computer, both the software and the hardware is really really accurate. >> wow. how about the references we see to it everywhere? t-shirts, there was a movie, parties and festivals all over the country. mit released its admissions decisions to correspond with the date. you pointed out this the shows up in tv shows at the o.j. simpson trial. >> it's true it shows up everywhere. that's one again of the most amazing things about pi. comic strips cartoons. anywhere where you are focussing on science and math. the o.j. simpson trial was fascinating because they actually had a littletive in the courtroom about it and everybody, including the judge and the fbi agent who was being interrogated, everybody got it wrong. >> hey david does europe miss out because they put the month before the date? do they never have pi celebrations? >> it is a sad thing, you know, because today is 4/13 3 in

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