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donald trump called into msnbc this morning to discuss his latest controversial comments and joe got tired of listening to his comments. >> i want to get our hands around a very difficult situation. >> hold on donald. you got to let us ask questions. you can't just talk. you got to let us ask questions. you're just talking. >> donald, donald, donald, donald. you're not going to keep talking. we will go to break if you keep talking. we're going to ask you questions. >> go to break everybody. go to break right now. we'll be right back with more morning joe. >> then donald trump spent the next 10 minutes arguing with an

add for geico. >> okay. well, welcome to morning joe. >> welcome. >> welcome back from paris. >> so trump obviously helping us overseas with our allies, right. >> you want to take just 30 seconds here? >> i do. that's why you told us something beforehand they said people say this is just about good tv or ratings are kidding themselves. not only has donald trump had a significant impact on voters in iowa and new hampshire and this culture in america, but he is having an impact across the world from our allies. i'm hearing it more and more and more every day. >> it's no longer funny, joe. it's no longer amusing.

i'm not pretending to be an expert on french politics. we're looking at a free speech of hope. donald trump's rhetoric and his language especially his language on muslim immigration here in this country is truly damaging us. >> you heard that. >> a washington anchor for bbc world news america, caddy kay.

willie and mark, rooking at the polls, donald trump is blowing everybody out in new hampshire. this race isn't even close anymore and those thinking that the marks of the past few days are going to cause a dip in the poll numbers have their heads in the sand. he's up in new hampshire. i think we should have learned the lesson over the last five or six months. while the media may protest them, those are unpleasant comments. they rally him and allow him to say look at the media that doesn't believe in us. >> one out of three in new hampshire despite criticisms from the head of republican

party, one out of three voters are still saying they're going to cast their vote for donald trump. that's astounding by any political term. >> you put your finger on it a couple of weeks ago. the republican party today has a big of donald trump problem as they've ever had as iowa gets closer and he dominates the news. >> so nicole, what people need to understand, you look at the polls yesterday and look at what donald said and look at the polls out of iowa and look at ben carson dropping 14, 15, 16 points in the pole, we predicted that could happen. you said it because you could

look at the numbers. people were supporting trump a month ago and said we're going to keep supporting most of them. people that said they were supporting carson could move on. mika said they were like standing at a bus stop waiting to see where they were going to go. this is what people need to understand about trump's remarks. yes, he stops upward growth. he'll never get a majority in america. the 25-30% that's his floor that support him, comments like that only cement that 25-30% in. so his floor is higher than most candidates sealing right now. >> we've had a lot of conversations about the trump supporter. your brother, my folks. i went around new york city when i left here yesterday. >> i'm going to cut you off for

a second. my brother and i are now where your father and i are. we can't talk politics. just stop. you're not going to listen. >> we can talk about the kids. we can't talk politics. >> exactly where we are. i went around new york city yesterday and everybody had seen this interview by 10:00 or 11:00 in the morning and i took my son to the doctor and the nurses, people i would have not had in my own political stereo typing being drawn to what he said came up to me and whispered, it's almost like ashamed of liking what donald trump says. people working in restaurants said i'm forwhat he said. media is not being fair for him. i said how so? we had him on 40 minutes.

he said do this temporarily. people are not only open to him i wouldn't expect to be open to him. people feel defensive on his behalf against people in the media. >> and the more the media attacks him regardless of the statement, the more it feeds to his brand. what he's doing is painting in the brightest, boldest primary colors. he says an outlandish, outrageous statement but people pick up the gist of it. in picking up the gist of it, they support it. mark, i know you know this, it's fascinating. i know you know this. this for democrats going out playing at republicans, this isn't just about republicans. i am shocked as nicole said by the democrats that are coming up basically saying the same thing. it's offensive but you know it's

right. >> trump isn't hurt by the media attacks. it's more than that. he's helped by it. the establishment doesn't like what he's saying and his reporters say trump is speaking out. it's something for people leike dick cheney and paul ryan who don't want trump to be the nominee. >> the way they could hurt him the most is endorse him. go up and hug him and he'll drop 10 points. >> one way to look at the contrast is the people who came out against him, we said watch talk radio today.

>> exactly. >> let's talk more about this. donald trump is planning a visit now to the middle east. he tweeted last night he'll be traveling the israel before the end of the year. the report says the meeting was scheduled two weeks ago before he released his controversial plan which he continued to defend last night to barbara walters. >> do you regret your ban on muslims which some think is un-american? >> not at all. we have to do the right thing. somebody in this country has do do what's right. it could be very quickly if our country doesn't get its act

together. >> are you a biggot? >> not at all. >> because? >> i'm not. i'm a person that has common sense. i'm a smart person. i know how to run things. i know how to make america great again. >> the question we asked him yesterday which we still don't have the answer to is what does it mean to get our act together. we don't know what it means. >> he said yesterday it's a feel thing. >> it's never going to pass. it's never going to happen. it's not a coincidence he released his statement right after barack obama's rambling listless clueless speech on sunday night. he thrives. the weaker barack obama is the

stro stronger donald trump is. >> a lot of frustration from the republicans. let's talk about some of the polls. at 32% trump's lead continues to grow in new hampshire. marco rubio. in a national poll trump dominating 27% following ted cruz. 68% of trump supporters would back him if he ran as an independent third party and

kate. trump noticed that. continues this path will put clinton in the white house. push refused to say he would support trump as the nominee. >> let me ask this. are you going to be able to support trump if he's the nominee at this point? >> he's not going to be the nominee. he's an entertainer. to make the proposals, these are dog whistle proposals to pray on people's fears and consume the news. it's not a serious campaign. >> why not say it. >> it's not going to happen. he's not going to be the nominee. i'll support the republican nominee. >> you will support the republican nominee no matter what the voters decide? >> absolutely. it's not going to be donald trump though. >> let's look at the numbers. again, you had carson falling,

trump light years ahead. bush, rubio, casey. the other three guys, get out of the race. >> now they get to trump. if you're marco rubio you're saying to chris christie you got no chance. get out, let's consolidate by me. the other three are saying the same thing. >> but the problem is we got ted cruz going to win iowa. so then you've got chris christie who thinks that he's breaking at the right time and he could win new hampshire. marco rubio is not going to get out because everybody in the media tells him he's going to

win. if you're jeb bush, he's saying at the end nobody's watching and jeb is getting his act together and campaigning better than ever and has an organization. >> he's six points away of the top establishment candidate. it is prisoner's dilemma. you got four guys, all of them say i'm the one to stop him. if none of them get out it leaves trump a huge opening in new hampshire. >> we could speculate on what people are saying overseas about donald trump but we don't have to anymore because mike barnical has been the paris and the mayor of london came out with a colorful remark about donald trump yesterday. >> yeah, it was when donald trump weighed in and said there were bits of london police

didn't go to and he came out and said that was ridiculous and the metropolitan police said if any american candidate would like a briefing on the state of our city, they're welcome to get one. even david cameron came out and criticized donald trump. these, by the way are both members of the conservative party. they're not members of the labor party. they're members of the conservative party on the right of british politics. i think for a while people in europe, there was a buffoon quality about it. they were entertained. i think the latest comment changed that. people in europe are starting to think wow, this guy is serious. he's doing seriously well in the polls and what he's proposiing s something to europeans who have always admired america, they look at donald trump and say this macks a hard right in

europe. we don't like it here. we find it unattractive here and there too. >> and yet the hard right in europe is actually making a break for it right now. it seems the radicals in isis are actually radicalizing the west politics. >> you can draw parallels between donald trump and the head of the national front in france. it's a different case because she has a whole party machinery behind her. donald trump doesn't. although, i guess he could take 68% of his supporters who would still follow him. the biggest argument that came out came from the pentagon. this isn't just contrary to american values but american security. he's doing isis' work for them. he's making the case that america is anti muslim. that's the case isis is trying to make. >> you've travelled with a former president of the united states around the world and it's something to witness.

>> i spent a lot of time yesterday thinking about my old boss, george w. bush. people have been giving him a lot of credit for what he did when he went to the mosque. i was thinking about his most devoted sallies. the people in the game were his mid-allies. were the very people that we asked trump yesterday. would you waive your program for a few days. what's stunning to my about trump isn't that he doesn't have depth of the knowledge for foreign policy but it's at this stage with his lead he hasn't surrounded himself with anybody whose giving him understanding about, i believe he wants to

protect us from radical islamic extremism but the fact he hasn't surrounded himself with anybody who has engs plained the only way to do it is to bring along the mideast leaders because they have the most to lose. it's stunning. >> one of the aspects she's talking about, it's men economized the reaction from marco rubio and ted cruz which are astoundingly juvenile. >> unbelievable. those two, it's a fight. donald trump knows this. you know how much money he's made doing deals with the golden

state? he knows. do people think he fell off a turnip truck and believe this? >> who thinks we should put a temporary ban on muslims in the united states? >> if they're telling the truth. 60-70%. i think that's where most americans are. that said, i always take the steve jobs approach in situations like this. what i've always said is nobody stops you when you're going 90

miles an hour forcefully explaining how muslim americans are critical to this fight or critical to anything else and say it with strength and power and go to the base, they will go along with you. nobody's doing that right now. here's the strong alternative to donald trump right now in the republican field. >> maybe chris christie when he can't get much oxygen. i thought ted cruz looked incredibly weak. he has a chance of picking up trump supporters. >> we have carpet bombing in the middle east. >> people don't think of marco rubio. still ahead. from the intelligence committee, republican senator tom cotton joins us. also the fight against isis and tomorrow an extended conversation with presidential

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for republican candidates to stand by their pledge to support mr. trump, that in and of itself is disqualifying. they should say right now they would not support donald trump for president. what he said is disqualifying. any republican whose too fearful of the republican base to admit

it has no business serving as president either. >> republican candidates condemn trump's remarks. we shouldn't try to fool ourselves. his sort of racism has been prevalent for decades. trump is saying out loud whatever republicans merely suggest. political ears must condemn these hateful un-american statements with their words and actions. silence only empowers biggots. >> some of his republican candidates are saying his latest comments have gone too far but the truth is many of them have also said extreme things about muslims. their language may be more prevailed than trumps but their ideas are all different. they're all driving the exact

narrative jihadist want to advance, that we are at war with violent murders but with an entire religion. this is a grave mistake. >> with us now we have former governor of vermont howard dean. howard, i'm a little surprised by some of the language harry reed on the senate floor saying that the republican candidates attacking racism as their own it seems like packing a punch when they were sit back and watch. >> there is that cool and i subscribe to the notion of stepping out of the way and letting them do it.

in the tease we were talking about this is an american phenomena. this is a world wide phenomena. >> why are we seeing it now? >> people are afraid. this is isis' planning. they hope to kindle a war between islam and christianity. it's their brand. they're doing it on purpose and we're falling in the trap. this is going ton in france and britain. it's an extreme right party that are all about demonizing other people. that's what isis wants us to do is demonize other people. this is not just going on in america. this is going on in a lot of different places because it's part of who we are as human beings. that's why it is important to stand up against this kind of stuff. >> nicole, just about every one

of the republican candidates came out and condemned donald trump. >> with that said, donald trump has allowed, i think this is a lot of frustration, hillary clinton says that's your republican front runner. she contained all those candidates. >> she can but i don't know why she would. she has her own challenges and she's going to stand against whoever we nominate and i really believe that when someone is checking out water, it's a missed opportunity. >> i thought that speech was terrible. i don't think she scored any points with the people she needs to convince.

>> don't look like a political hack taking the obvious punch. what americans want now more than anything is strong leadership. hillary clinton has the greatest opportunity right now that she's ever had in her political career than being a unifying figure. don't be a party hack. you're going to beat bernie sanders by 30 points. ? times like this when americans are starving for strong stable leadership be that person. don't take the cheap shot. she doesn't need that. what's that going to help? >> there's two things going on. one, she is morally and politically outraged on what's going on in the republican party. she's chipping that reaction and she doesn't think trump is going to be the nominee in the end.

her chances in winning an easy victory rather than having to sweat all next year is to use this period to destroy the republican brand and that's what she's trying to do. >> the language of fear is universal. we have people running for president using the language of fear. there is fear in this country. we've been at war for 15 years. you can understand people's fear. it's also a prime opportunity for language of reason. it surprises me about secretary clinton's language. she hasn't adapted to language of reason. what do you think? >> i think it's early to do

that. i disagree with nicole. i think she did look strong. that's what is intended by the speech. it does come from the heart. >> she and dick cheney agree for yuns. i thought she gave a great speech on isis and john mccain and lindsey graham had not been in the wall street journal yesterday. there were a few things they might have in common. i think a better thing for her to be doing with her time is go back to who she was when she was a new york state senator and show how the committee governed as not a bipartisan in all cases, she was a strong democrat but she was able to work across the aisle. people want to see the isis crisis solved by syrian leaders,

i think she could have a serious moment. >> she's going to win the democratic nomination. what americans want is a strong leader. i remember talking about her work as a senator and talking to trent what early on. what's hillary like? she's great. she's bipartisan, does her homework and keeps her head down. i wish every senator was like her. it reminds me of the question asked by david. joe, what senator is best informed about your fight and what you need to win this war and they said oh, you mean other than hillary clinton? what an amazing brand she would have to offer the american people right now. even republicans in search of a unifying strong leader against isis. >> yeah, no one's ever going to fault hillary clinton for not doing her homework.

she's probably one of the best briefed people on the subject. i think what mark is saying is right. donald trump won't be the nominee and she's going to be up against somebody like marco rubio or ted cruz, perhaps or jeb bush. she has a weakness in the polling when it comes to national security. if she could use this trump moment to make all of the republican candidates look as if they are too far out of step on national security issues and come the actual voting in the general re-election she's banking this will help her. >> all right hillary gray, this is what i said on december 3rd, december 4th, december 5th.

so what were you saying hillary? >> he's coffered it. hillary clinton has an extraordinary opportunity here. people in the campaign and republican establishment who keep saying donald trump is not going to be the nominee, why? give me evidence. this is like republicans saying there's no such thing as climate change. give me a shred of david that suggest donald trump is not by and far a front runner. how can you make that assumption on december 9th? >> hillary clinton is assuming trump is the nominee. >> how? >> we heard jeb bush say yesterday i don't have to answer that question. he's not going to be the nominee. is there an alternate universe he's not winning the poll. when's it going to happen?

>> willie, we have been saying this since july. the establishment on the right and left still kidding himself that something's going to happen and donald trump is going to melt. mike, you're going to owe mika. thank you for being with us. we'll have to get you on set sometime. coming up next, donald trump is wrong on the muslim ban but right on the parallel of political correctness. tom joins us next on morning joe. glad i could help you plan for your retirement. alright, kelly and promise me that you'll try that taco place on south street. and we have portfolio planning tools to help you manage your ira. yeah, you're old 401k give me your phone. the rollover consultants give you step-by-step help. no set-up fees. use your potion. sorry, not you. my pleasure. goodnight, tim. for all the confidence you need. who's tim? td ameritrade. you got this.

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walking it back. in the end we have to recognize there's a small number of muslims around the world that oppose civilization and watching terror attacks against us. >> it's important under thap scenario and what's where i say we need to do more reaching out to our brothers and sisters. doesn't that suggest my point we do need greater outreach. >> not just muslim americans but muslims around the world need to

try to lead a reform movement that rejects the brother hood, al qaeda, isis viewpoint. look at the united arab interest. just last week, the first female arab legislative president took office in the uae. last year, the very first air strikes against the islamic state were conducted by a female pilot. the uae just donated money to create hindu temples for the many working in their country. look at egypt. they have been strong condemning the muslim brother hood and the ideology that led to the islamic state. when we encourage muslims around the world to reject radical islam, we need to highlight them and celebrate them when we do. >> watching the president, obviously, i made it clear, i've been disappointed on what the president said sunday night. what was her reaction and if you were disappointed as well, what should the president have said? what do we need to do to defeat

isis? >> i was disappointed in the president's speech. we got to the point where islamic state could inspire attacks in california that could kill 14 americans or direct attacks in paris that killed 130 plus of our citizens. he need to take the hand cuffs off our men in iraq. >> how about ground troops? donald trump said yesterday he would support 10,000 ground troops as part of an international coalition, would you? >> i support american ground troops. the number is up to the generals. not necessarily frontline infantry men shooting down the doors and taking out bad guys but a lot of them need to capability logistics we can provide. whether it's 5,000, 10,000 in

addition to the 4,000 we have in iraq now, there's question for our military generals and admirals. we will defeat the islamic state once and for all. we're talking about 30,000 troops. that's one aside from the marine corp. they don't have air force, helicopters. there could be done with a political will. >> that's the irony. president obama could make isis look like a jv team. >> yeah, and senator cotton is uniquely qualified to talk about

troops. which way do you see it going? >> i see it in two different ways. one, the short term, the fight against islam itself, the coalition led by united states but primarily led by alice like uae and turkish. we might have a stabilizing troop presence for several years, the way we've had in germany and japan. there is a generational fight to this element and that's the fight against ideology. that's not a fight we can primarily lead. that's the fight modern forces of islam around the world have to conduct. we have the encourage them and celebrate them when we do and stand side by side. >> really quickly before we go, are you confident we can bring some of the arab states around to join the coalition and contribute to the fight?

>> i'm very confident. i've travelled to many of the countries in the arab world in the last 24 months. i've met with many foreign ministers here in washington and they were all crying out and willing to do their part if america provides the glue to that coalition to defeat the islamic state. >> senator, great to have you with us. thanks for your time. appreciate it. >> coming up, we reveal who has selected time magazine's person of the year as a world leader. could be one of the world's most wanted terrorist. that's just ahead when morning joe comes back. you can watch lie sports on the go. live from the edge of your seat. or that seat. or her seat. or his seat. right? careful on that seat, guys. and that's not even a seat. that is cameron. get the best of both worlds. directv at home and 2 wireless lines. from directv and at&t.

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energy lives here. do you regret your ban on muslims which some people think is un-american? >> not at all. we have to do the right thing. somebody in this country has to say what's right. it could be quickly if our country can't get their act together. >> are you a bigot? >> not at all. probably least of anybody you've met. >> because? >> i'm not. i'm a person who has common

sense. i'm a smart person. i know how to run things. i know how to make america great again. >> normally, i do not comment on what's going on in the presidential election. i will take an exception today. this is not conservatism. what was proposed yesterday is not what this party stands for and more importantly it's not what this country stands for. not only are there many muslims serving in our armed forces dying for this country, there are muslims serving right here in the house working every day to uphold and defend the constitution. some of our best allies are muslims. >> welcome back to morning joe. paul ryan with some strong words with us to talk about that and so much more on msnbc contribute mike barnical back from paris with interesting incites.

nicole wallace, manager editor of bloomberg politics, mark and joining us for the conversation walter isaacs and also new york times reporter, jeremy peters. much to talk to. willie has new polls out showing donald trump only getting stronger. >> yeah, these conducted before the events of the last couple of days but it speaks to whether or not he goes up or down when these kind of things happen. key swing states is what we're looking at right now. at 32% now trump's lead continues to grow in the new hampshire pry mare. he shows his lead building with a new high.

that's 30%. ted cruz at 16. let's look at the national poll. trump dominating 27% followed by ted cruz and rubio at 17 and 16, respectively, this poll interesting found 68% of donald trump supporters would still back him if he ran as an independent and i think if he did that it would make hillary clinton president of the united states. >> something that donald trump has supported before. this is an interesting thing for republicans. nicole, trump a guy that's a life long democrat, he believes in big government solutions and did before he started running, that's why a lot of the things he's talking about today aren't surprising. they talk about an expanse of governmental ovary.

this guy supported single payer health care systems and now a voice of conservatism. >> you made the case he just made. not only do the lines go nowhere, it ended up hurting them. >> you look at the numbers in new hampshire and north carolina and nationally, it's very clear donald trump is only being strengthened and his comments over the last 48 hours are not going to hurt him. they're going to strengthen the resolve of those people. it's going to be impossible to

overtake donald trump which is going to be required mathematically to stop him from being the nominee. >> jeremy peters, you say that the republican candidates can complain about donald trump all they want, they're not going to do anything about it. at the end of the day, nobody's going to have the guts to not go on a cnn debate with him. the ratings next week are going to be extraordinarily high because of what's happened over the past 48 hours. >> that's absolutelily right. >> i would not be surprised if the ratings blow out of the water after the first fox debate. one of the things that you're hearing from republicans is that trump is thriving because of an absence of leadership. an absence of leadership from the president. i think certainly that's a feeling a lot of republicans have but he's thriving because of something else. he's thriving because of an absence of leadership in the republican party. until people and conservative voters feel like somebody has a plan, they're going to go and

follow somebody who has a preharebrain plan. >> i want to go around the table and get your wise incites on what's going on. >> obviously, it's devastating across the world that led right into the narrative. the real question is now the consensus almost formed in the past hour here since i've been watching the show that oh, he actually will get this nomination unless something happens. i find that you say the no data points showing us he won't get it. >> actually what we're saying is a bit more nuance than that. give us evidence. if you're the republican establishment, it's clear he won't win the nomination which is what hillary and the republican establishment suggests. we're not saying he's going to

win but we've been hearing for six months now how it's not going to be donald trump at the end. what's the data that suggests that? >> the only data you can have is a historical record. we go through a nativist population and we've done it since the 1840s and in the end people who are the mean bullying nasty types lose. because what actually is a pretty kind nation, pretty descent nation. when it comes down to the fact you're getting close to voting and going to the christmas season or whatever, that mean spiritedness nastiness and almost repulsiveness that comes from being -- on these issues isn't the same.

it never has. einstein was watching as the mccart the mccarthy thing was happening. america is going to have happen to it what happened in germany and then he kind of righted himself. republican and eisenhower helps. he said there's the magical scope in the american dmemocrac. when it comes to push to shove it rides itself. >> i believe there is. i believe we always skip to the right conclusion at the end. >> we make it look messy though, you're right. >> winston church hill's famous quote that the united states will always do the right thing after exhausting all other possibilities. in this case there is no historical precedent to a candidate like donald trump jumping ahead to 120, 130, 150 days in the national polls. right now, there's one pole out there that suggests he's not in

first place in all 50 states. >> i'm not good at reading the polls. those are the data points. >> i suspect you could find a lot of people leading in the polls, even this close in, 180 days. >> you can't find, mark, help me. you are good with the polls. is there a precedent to somebody that's been ahead in the polls for 120, 130, 150 consecutive days. in july or august we were saying this could be michelle, herman cain, rick perry. >> there's no precedent. with walter, it's the only prevailing argument which is going back to reagan.

there's four people in the race that could argue they're that person. as of today we said it before, if someone else had trump numbers, people would be talking about whose going to be in his cabinet and who the running made was going to be and trump is vulnerable for a variety of reasons. he's not vulnerable at all until somebody steps up as the alternative. there's nobody like that with the kpeps of ted cruz. >> actually, i think the establishment would be less happy. believe it or not. >> i don't agree with that. >> after the republican establishment. >> walter, i totally agree with your analysis, especially the syndrome when he first ran for president. but i think something is going on here as donald trump would say and it's fear. he is preaching to fear and i have an instinct, a feeling that san bernardino changed the

equation greatly in this country. >> yeah, you were talking about kids. now worried about oh, they'll get a shot. yeah, i mean the problem with looking at the historical precedence is every now and then something changes everything. i don't think that's the case. i think san bernardino was very bad. i think it's problematic we don't feel we know what we're doing on this. i don't think it's changed the bma of a general kindness and goodness of the people. >> i think in walter's john analogy, it's ben carson and not donald trump. the guy who came out hot and was for a few months we oh my gosh need to do this and now he's tumbled in the polls. we're not saying it's not possible someone else in the nominee but as any other candidate were up 18 points in new hampshire and 13 in iowa, we've been talking about who he's picking to be vice president. >> i think you're right. good point. this is a pretty big change.

even the past week or so. with this table saying well, i guess it's still possible somebody else could be the nominee. >> we've always said that. >> no, no as opposed to saying he won't get the nomination. most people were saying a few we weeks ago. >> we've never said that. that's why we're a bit more ske skeptical of people coming on saying that. for the past six months we had people storm off the set because mika dared to say he would be relevant. that was the first battle. people were outraged and disgusted and offended we even suggested he could be relevant to this fight. i want to see the evidence jeb

bush can come back and right now i don't see it, nicole. i don't see historical precedence, i can't think of a historical president just looking at the numbers and putting candidates abcdefg attached candidate a's numbers to donald trump and put it in a formula and good luck with anybody finding a historical president. >> i think last time a race might have been changed was after september 11th when fear overtook and made some voters available to a republican message about the patriot act in 2000 to midterms about the need to fight terrorist abroad as opposed to letting them come to the homeland. i think that might be the more appropriate analogy with an inappropriate reaction.

i think voters, moms came up to me after the paris attacks and said should i take my -- why even ask me. before twitter kills me, i know nothing. people came up to me i would never presume to be available to a republican candidate and said am i safe taking my kids to the macy's day parade? democrats have failed just like republicans and made it about guns and politics and are as much to blame about what's going on. >> republicans have a lot of good candidates and you name them. the fact is they're not ahead in the poll. chris christie knows what he's doing. >> i agree. >> rubio, jeb bush, whatever. at some point this fear people say actually we need somebody who knows what they're doing in this race. >> 2002 and 2004, george w. bush

would have never won in 2004 without september 11th. >> you'll never know. it was certainly a factor. >> i mean, i said on the air then and it's the truth, if your child is inside the house and in your cabin in the middle of the wods, who do you want sitting on the front porch protecting? george w. bush or john kerry? george w. bush would sit on the front porch with a shotgun and use it. that's the sort sof logic and reasoning that drove mika crazy. >> it's about where we fight the enemies. >> it's about where we fight the enemies and mark, the question now is i want to go back to what i was saying last hour, is this not an extraordinary opportunity for hillary clinton to step up? because i've been saying trump gets stronger the weaker barack obama looks. well, you could say the same for hillary clinton. i know it caused complications in their own party. for the general election, the stronger hillary clinton looks

in contrast to barack obama, the better her chances are for election too. >> well, she's got a credible claim. the secretary of state she agreed with president obama and a lot of that has surfaced with the exception of being opposed to ground troops, she's been more hawkish. there's not much difference between her and the republican candidates on what she would like to do now. this is one of the two areas she wants to be in contrast with the republican candidates to nominate. it's going to be hard and on socialist which are in the background now which she and her campaign are driving all the time. making things like gay rights and abortion and economic populist issues as well. >> the contrast between hillary clinton and president obama and national security. she got lost in the donald trump talk. she said we must not contain

isis, we just destroy them. i head it as awe shot at the containment that barack obama has talked about isis. >> well, certainly stronger language than the president has used in the j.v. team stuff. she's laid out and a more robust strategy. even in her speech, there was not a huge amount in terms of actual policy that was very different from what the white house has done. i think there's a direct line between president obama, donald trump and hillary clinton, the weaker president obama looks, the stronger trump becomes and that makes the hillary campaign happy. they buy into this argument he's not going to be the nominee. if he is the nominee, they see themselves walking into the white house. i think, the best argument we hear donald trump is not going to win the nomination is he wins

iowa seasoned new hampshire and the voters wake up to him being the nominee and electable. that seems to be the best argument that trump's not the nominee. it doesn't reflect the polls but there's pause blt in it. >> it could happen. also, cruz could win iowa and establishment figure could win new hampshire and the momentum could be so broken up that wouldn't happen. the problem is if trump puts iowa in new hampshire you got to look at the calender. the next is the sec primaries. seriously, whose going to -- if michigan and new york state were after new hampshire, okay. that would be fine. if he gets out of the gate strong, who stops him in the deep south? who stops him in florida? hell, he's up in massachusetts by 30 or 40. >> hillary clinton tweeted our goal must not be to detain isis,

it must be to defeat isis. let's talk more about republican reaction to donald trump. iowa radio reports one candidate embraced part of the plan. rick san tomorrow said muslims in syria, libya and other areas where members of the faith have been radicalized should not be allowed in the u.s. while texas senator ted cruz says he disagrees with trump's plan he's refusing the criticize trump directly. >> i disagree with that proposal. i like donald trump. i'm not interested in criticizing and attacking donald trump. we need a plan focussed on the direct threat and the threat we're facing is radical islamic terrorism. certainly in the media, there has been no shortage of criticism for donald trump. i do not believe the voice needs my voice added to that course of critics. listen, i commend donald trump for standing up and focussing

america's attention on the need to secure our borders. >> walter, so for the first time ted cruz doesn't want to criticize. he and donald trump are hands off each other. >> yeah, well, obviously, it helps cruz to be the person there in case trump does become unelectable. that was a pretty odd line to say the world doesn't need my voice criticizing donald trump. you know, he's criticized many other republican candidates. in fact, all of them. this is a time when you really do have to take a stand. you can't just win this one. you have to say have you no shame i'm on your side. >> jeremy peters. >> yeah, that was a ted cruz, i think you're right joe, unlike any i can remember seeing. what he's been cowed into submission. like you said, when has ted cruz

ever been afraid to criticize a fellow republican? it's extraordinary. you're right. he cannot become the nominee without some of the reporters. i don't know. it's a risky strategy. if you're betting on donald trump's collapse so far, it's been a losing bet. >> i guess the strategy going after marco rubio fighting for that sort of poll position for the established republicans. >> and the stronger trump is, i think the better it is for marco rubio because marco rubio knows that if ted cruz wins iowa he's in a lot of trouble come new hampshire and iowa. >> thank you so much. we greatly appreciate, jeremy. ted cruz is going to be our guest on tomorrow's show. jeremy peters, thanks so much. coming up, we got general going to join the table and we're going to get his take on what america should actually be doing

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general, thank you for being with us. how do you beat isis? >> well, two things. i get frustrated with no boots on the ground. we have boots on the ground. we've had a short term ban. you can't destroy isis. >> which is not going to bomb them into submission. >> it's not going to happen in history or now. i'm an opponent of putting special operations force down. what the intelligence we're missing is the intelligence that you gain on the ground. we can get electronic

intelligence and other intelligence from feeds, from video feetds. what a better time to build a coaliti coalition. >> you can go back to 1968. we've always had to drag the french along and always had to drag the middle east along.

>> we have to build trust in the middle east. the president can do it. we are refocussing on saudi arabia and refocus on egypt, uae and these countries can help us there. with a nuclear deal you got to build relationships with saudi arabia and others.

>> the nuclear deal feeds into isis' narrative but could it become at a worse time? >> it effects what's going on on the ground and effects people in what they want to do. that's the kind of thing i'm talking about. the king, the old king of saudi arabia was upset with us. it goes way back. they got to believe we're going to do what we say. >> turks, kurds, how do we get them together? >> it's hard. here's what i found. the u.s. is the gloom. we can get them to do things to defeat isis.

the kurds are only going to do so much. they're going to do what's good for kurds. you need a plan that goes after iraq, syria and the kurds coming from the north and you have isis looking in several different directions. you got to go after their money. you got to go after the money all over the world. you've got to attack them on several fronts and we're not doing it. we got to have people. >> what are we doing? >> we're working on the money piece. you got to find out more information on where we're getting the money. how do we stop the money from the inside. oil, water, it's really how they get money from controlling the territory. i think it's a combination of going after the money. we can kill leaders all day long in isis but another guy, i've been doing this for 10 years. they will step up. i know somebody else, you got to destroy the organization. we were successful in iraq in

2007, 08 and 09. we cut the money off. we had the cooperation of the soonny arabs. by the way, i'll tell you the muslim population is absolutely critical to this. i remind everybody i would say 93-95% of all muslims are moderate muslims and shouldn't forget that. >> we need that. >> a thousand special ops make a difference? >> i'll let the ones on the ground determine the numbers. it comes a point where special ops can do so much. i'm not talking 20-30, 40,000. i'm in the 1-2,000 range to get done what we have to do. >> i think to a lot of americans

the problem is here now. what in the short term can be done? >> i think we need to get people on the ground. again, in the right numbers. we need to get them on the ground. i wish we wouldn't put caps on. it's going to be 50 or a hundred. let the people on the ground tell you. this is what we're going to need to get the information necessary to start putting pressure on isis. i think we need to immediately be engaging diplomatically with saudi arabia, turkey, kurds, iraq. iraq's not great right now either. >> why aren't we? >> i don't know. i don't know. i think it's fear. i don't know. i would say maybe it's fear of more involvement. i just don't know. i can't answer the question. to me, it's something we absolutely should be doing. because as you mentioned in the earlier segment, american people are afraid right now. i think europeans are afraid. we need to take some action to

reassure them. i think putting them against the small numbers on the ground and putting pressure on isis. >> okay. thank you so much for being with us. i hope you come back soon. >> any time. >> still ahead on morning joe, despite the controversy, trump supporters are standing by their man. >> i think it's a fearful time in our country right now and definitely to keep the bad ones out would be great. >> whose cutting off people's heads? whose bombing buildings? whose bombing airplanes? it's not the jewish, it's not the buddhist, it's the muslims. you got that on camera, sport? >> all right, sport. we got chuck todd and the washington post straight ahead.

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songs. >> walter wanted to talk to you briefly about it. the growing frustration among our allies about what journal said which is that we don't have to send a hundred thousand troops but at least we should engage diplomatically. we should have done that. >> i think the most important thing to do on the ground is put together a coalition in the region of muslim forces, muslim countries. i go back to mr. mechum's new book and you think about the period where george h.w. bush is getting the entire coalition to stop the invasion of kuwait. >> and syria. >> and syria.

that is something that america really has to lead on. we're not going to, obviously, general knows what we need to do but putting 500-thousand american troops isn't the important thing. let's get together this amazing coalition that will stop sadam hussein. >> continuing about a guy to win the republican nomination, let's talk about the problem feeding trump. that's the problem that the white house, the response after paris, the response after san bernardino, the speech on sunday night and the frustration we're hearing from diplomats that the

white house does not want to get engaged in in the middle east and the nsa is sitting there to frustrate the plans to those who want to fight isis. >> we have a diplomacy problem in the middle east. one of the criticisms that many republicans hit the president for a long time went over the top on it is it's that comfortable wartime commander and chief. that's what we explained.

>> it's laid out in the book. i remember sitting here and having a long conversation about it. it's muted and drowned out by the partisan ranker. stevens and the wall street journal says the president spends all of his time listing the things we will not do to defeat radical islam. >> i think that you're totally right. there has been a failure of emotion from the president. there has been a failure of understanding the real anxiety that people, nicole was talking earlier about the moms worrying about the thanksgiving day parade. i'm a mom and have those worries

too. how much harder would it be for president trump to assemble the kind of coalition of allies including the muslim allies you're talking about. >> it's going to ask you to make the connection. unfortunately, children are starting to be concerned about what they're seeing on television. >> i don't want to get too personal either. i will tell you one of my children really disturbed about what's happened sense paris this

is something that ruth marcus, we talked about baby boomers growing up under the specter of nuclear annihilation. this is what our children are dealing with now and what angers so many people out there on both sides of the aisle is it seems so unnecessary. he's moving in a way created by a lack of leadership. >> we need to step back and remind ourselves he's making us less safe. he is a recruiting tool for the islamic state. i understand the voters, the trump supporters who you showed just before the break. i get it. they have real legitimate concerns we have to speak to, our leaders have to speak to. when you alien eight many people and you have these do it yourself radicalizations that

can be going on here, when you insult people you are helping to push them into this radicalization and we need to speck up about that. we need to say one thing about the person most come police it in not speaking up and that's senator ted cruz whoever responsible person in the republican party has criticized donald trump to some extent. senator cruz has been silent. >> i think it's interesting to best response came from carly fiorina who said sunday night we didn't get enough. monday we got too much. barack obama's lack of response and donald trump's over response kind of slacking. it shows what's so bad right

now. >> jeb bush said to you yesterday donald trump is not going to be the nominee. it's the idea we hear from democrats and republicans. if you're looking at raw data, how can you say there's no way he's the nominee. >> with everything spoke out, they're not going to let him be nominated without an excruciating fight. maybe it goes to the convention, maybe there's a consolidation. maybe it ends up making ted cruz more acceptable. in this case they hate the devil

they know more than the devil they don't know. the animosity on the hill for ted cruz is like nothing i've ever seen before. >> if i was a u.s. senate candidate running in the state of florida, i would at least know what cruz is going to do. >> if i get ted cruz or donald trump. >> if i was a republican u.s. senator at this point, give me more places for republicans to vote and show up to the polls because there aren't three way races in the senate. >> right. >> the irony here is donald

trump's independent and candida would save the white house. >> we will be watching. >> i'm just saying. >> thank you so much. we'll be reading your piece in the washington post and we hope you come back very, very soon. >> thank you, i'll be here. >> all right. thank you so much as well. >> thank you. >> it's great to have you here. all right. still ahead strong words from donald trump. now montel williams is weighing in on the republican front runner again. the retired marine turned tv host joins us straight ahead.

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. donald trump actually called in to msnbc this morning to discuss his latest controversial comments, and host joe scarborough was pretty fed up that trump wouldn't stop talking and listen to his questions. check out what happened. this is real. >> i want to get our hands around a very difficult situation. >> all right, donald. >> joe, one other thing. >> you have to let us ask questions. you can't just talk. you have to let us actually ask questions. you're just talking. >> joe, i'm not just talking. >> donald, donald, donald, donald. you're not going to keep talking. we will go to break if you keep talking. >> go to break then, joe. all i'm doing -- >> go to break, everybody. go to break right now. we'll be right back with more

"morning joe.." >> then donald trump spent the next ten minutes arguing with an ad for geico. >> okay. well. welcome to "morning joe." >> welcome. >> welcome back from paris. >> bon jour. >> trump helping us overseas with our allies, right? you want to take just 30 seconds here? >> i do. that's why -- you told us something beforehand that -- i had a couple people i talked to yesterday interview me about that yesterday morning. they said, well, you know, people that say that this is just about good tv or ratings are kidding themselves. they said, not only does donald trump have the significant impact on voters in iowa and new hampshire. and this culture in america, but he is having an impact across the world from our allies, and i am hearing it more and more and

more every day. you heard it in paris. >> it is no longer funny, joe. it's no longer amusing. i am not pretending to be some expert on french politics or french culture, but we are still looked to around the world as a beacon of liberty, of free speech, i hope. and donald trump's rhetoric and his language, especially his language on muslim integration -- immigration here in this country, is truly damaging us. >> you heard that. you heard that where you went. >> absolutely. absolutely. and he's wrong about paris, incidentally. paris is alive. it's vibrant. people from all neighborhoods walking around. i went through a lot of the whole city. people are out shopping, working, living freely and fighting fear. >> all right. well, of course -- so mike is here. we also have nicolle wallace, former communications director for george w. bush, managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin. anchor for world news america

catty kay. willie and mark, you see the fire storm. but you look at the latest polls and donald trump is blowing everybody out in new hampshire. it's this race isn't even close anymore. and those thinking that the remarks of the past two days are going to somehow cause a dip in those poll numbers have their heads in the sand. >> we'll go through the numbers in a minute. but he's up in new hampshire. this is obviously before the events the last couple of days. he's up 32-14 in new hampshire. cnn poll. same cnn poll in iowa had him up 13 points. i think we should have learned the lesson by now over the last five or six months that these things do not -- while the media may protest them and capitals around the world in paris, egypt, cairo. those are unpleasant comments to a lot of those people, but to his core supporters, they rally him and allow him to say look at the media that doesn't believe in us.

>> and more. one out of three republican voters in new hampshire now, despite criticisms from the head of the republican party there and most leaders across the nation including paul ryan which we'll show in a minute -- one out of three voters are still saying they're going to cast their vote for donald trump. you have 14, 15 people in the race. that's astounding by any political terms. >> you put your finger on it a couple of weeks ago. trump's floor may be higher than anybody else's ceiling. the republican party today has as big a donald trump problem that they've ever had. as he dominates the news and prevents any other contending being the alternative in any significant way. and as trump understands the coalition he needs to hold together to become the republican nominee as well as anybody else in the race understands who their coalition is. >> what people need to understand is, you look at the polls yesterday, look at what donald trump said, look at the

polls out of iowa. ben carson drops 14 rn, 15, 16 points in that poll. we predicted that that could happen. >> right. >> we said it because you could look at the numbers. people were supporting trump a month ago, said we're going to keep supporting him. >> right. >> most of them. >> people saying they were supporting carson -- mikko said they were standing at a bus stop waiting to see where they were going to go. this is what we need to understand about trump's remarks over the past 24, 48 hours. yes, he stops upward growth. he'll never get a majority in america as long as he talks this way. the 25% to 30% that's his floor, that support him, comments like that only cement that 25% to 30% in. >> right. >> so his floor is higher than most candidates' ceiling right now. and it's going to be very hard for those numbers to go down over the next month and a half. >> you and i have had a lot of conversations about the trump

supporter. your brother, my folks. i went around new york city when i left here yesterday -- >> i will just tell you, i have to cut you off for one second. my brother and i are now where your father and i are. >> not talking. >> we can't talk politics. i have told him just stop. >> freeze, right. we'll talk next november. it's all about christmas. >> we can talk about the kids. we can't talk politics. >> exactly where we are. but i went around new york city yesterday, everyone had seen this interview by 10:00, 11:00 in the morning. i took my son to the doctor. and the nurses -- people that i would not have in my own sort of political stereotyping have expected to be drawn to what he said came up to me and whispered -- because there's almost like a little bit of shame to liking the things trump says now. it's like liking the "50 shades of grey" books. everyone likes them but no one admits it. people said, i like what he said. people who work in restaurants came up and said, i know it's

not politically correct but i'm for what he said. the media is not being fair to him. i said, really? how so. we had him on for 40 minutes. they said temporarily. he said temporary. he didn't give it an end date. people who i wouldn't expect to be open to him, people feel defensive on his behalf against people in the media. >> the more the media attacks him, regardless of the statement, the more it feeds into his brand. and what he's doing, really, is he's painting in the -- the brightest, the boldest primary colors. he says an outlandish, outrageous statement, but people pick up the gist of it. >> yep. >> and in picking up that gist of it, they support him. mark, i know you know this. we need to get to scripts, but it's fascinating. i know you know this. this, for democrats that are going out pointing at republican, this is not just about republicans.

i am shocked as nicolle said by the democrats that are coming up basically saying the same thing. it's offensive but you know he's right. >> you say trump isn't hurt in the context of the republican fight in the media attacks. he is helped by it. he's helped by being attacked by dick cheney and paul ryan. his supporters say, you know what, trump is speaking out. it's a conundrum for people like dick cheney and paul ryan who don't want trump to be the nominee. they're powerless. every minute they speak out against him it only helps him. >> the way they could hurt him the most is by endorsing him. you're laughing. i'm dead serious. mitch mcconnell, john boehner, get a group of them together. >> get an image. >> go up and hug him. he'll drop ten points. >> that's right. we talked about this yesterday. one way to look at the contrast is the establishment people who

all came out against him yesterday. we said, watch talk radio today. conservative talk radio, rush limbaugh, all those guys defended donald trump. >> they speak to the millions of listeners who are where you just described. >> amid the fire storm about his comments he is traveling to the middle east. he tweeted last night he's traveling to israel before the end of the year. trump was responding to a report by the associated press that said trump would visit jordan this month. the jerusalem post reports he'll meet with prime minister netanyahu on december 28th. report says the meeting was scheduled two weeks ago before the republican frontrunner released his controversial plan which he continued to defend last night to barbara walters. >> do you regret your ban on muslims, which some people think is un-american? >> not at all. we have to do the right thing. somebody in this country has to

say what's right. it could be very quickly, if our country could get it's act together. we don't know what's happening. we have a president that doesn't have a clue. >> are you a bigot? >> not at all. probably the least of anybody you've ever met. >> because? >> because i'm not. i am a person that has common sense. i am a smart person. i know how to run things. i know how to make america great again. >> the question we asked him yesterday, which we still don't have the answer to, is what does it mean to, quote, get our act together. he wants this period of time, indefinite, maybe a couple of weeks, during which we would get our act together. >> right. >> we don't know what that means, which means that could go on forever. theoretically. >> he'll know it when he sees it. >> that's kind of what he said yesterday. it's a feel thing. >> it's unworkable on day one. it's never going to pass. it's not a coincidence that he released his statement right after barack obama's ramblin

rambling,listless clueless speech on sunday night. he thrives -- the weaker barack obama is the stronger trump. >> they thought they had a good moment of weakness, and here comes donald trump with this. let's talk about the polls. obviously before trump's controversial plan came out. has him reminding republicans of the damage he could do as a third-party candidate. 32%, trump's lead continues to grow in new hampshire. marco rubio is at 14 points. he is up 5 as well. >> 18 points now. >> yeah. still at 18 behind donald trump. chris christie up four points since september, now in third place. national poll from usa today. this is interesting now. poll found 68% of trump's

supporters would still back him if he ran as an independent. third-party candidate. trump noticed that, tweeting about the poll, the republican frontrunner signed a pledge to the republican party in september. jeb bush said, maybe he negotiates a deal with his buddy, hillary clinton. continuing this path will put her in the white house. bush refused to say he would support trump as the nominee. >> let me ask you this. are you going to be able to support donald trump if he is the republican nominee at this point? >> chuck, he's not going to be the nominee. he is not a serious candidate. he is an entertainer. to make his proposal to basically -- these are dog-whistle proposals to prey on people's fears and consume the news. it's not a serious campaign. >> it doesn't sound like you can support him if he's the nominee. why not say it? >> it's not going to happen. i will support the republican nominee and i'm working hard to make sure i'm it. >> you'll support the republican nominee no matter what the

voters decide. >> absolutely. it's not going to be donald trump, though. >> let's look at the new hampshire poll. mark halperin, carson falling. trump light years ahead. probably his biggest lead. >> here is a big dynamic in the race. the four establishment candidates. bush, rubio, kasich, they're saying get out of the race. look at the numbers. you add up now -- used to be if you add up the establishment people you didn't get to trump. now they do. if you're marco rubio you say to chris christie. kasich, no chance. get out. consolidate behind me. the other three are saying the same thing. that's the puzzle for the establishment. >> here you have ted cruz who is right now in a position, he thinks he's going to win iowa. >> yeah. >> and so then you've got chris christie, who thinks that he is breaking at the right time and he could win new hampshire.

marco rubio is not going to get out because everybody in the media tells him he's going to win. so who the hell is going to get out? jeb bush -- if you're jeb bush, jeb actually is starting to get some good reviews. i read yesterday an article that was supposed to be negative of jeb saying at the end, while nobody is watching jeb is getting his act together. he has a lot of money. he is campaigning better than he ever has and he's got an organization. if you're jeb bush, why would you get out of the race? >> six points away. almost within the margin of error of rubio, the top establishment candidate. the establishment wants to stop trump. four guys all of whom say i am the one to stop him. if none of them get out. it leaves trump a huge opening in new hampshire. just a huge opening. >> we could speculate on what people are saying overseas about donald trump, but we don't have to anymore because mike barnicle has been to paris, and because the mayor of london came out with a typically colorful remark

about donald trump yesterday. >> yeah. it was when donald trump weighed in saying there were bits of london that the police didn't dare to go to because they were so radicalized. boris johnson came out and said that was ridiculous. the met troh pol tan police said if any american candidate would like a briefing on the state of our city they're very welcome to get one. even david cameron came out and criticized donald trump. you know, you've -- these, by the way, are both members of the conservative party. these are not members of the labour party. they're on the right of british politics. i think, you know, for a while people in europe have looked at donald trump -- i was over in paris a while ago. there was a slightly buffoon quality about him. they were entertained by it. i think this latest comment has really changed that. now people in europe are starting to think, wow, this guy is serious. he's doing seriously well in the polls and what he is proposing is something that, to europeans,

who have always admired america for its lack of demagoguery in politics recently, they look at donald trump and say this smacks of the hard right in europe. we find it unattractive here and we find it unattractive there too. >> the hard right in europe is making a break for it right now. it seems the radicals in isis are actually radicalizing the west's politics. >> you can draw parallels between donald trump and marine le pen, head of the national front in france. it's a different case because she has a whole party machinery behind her. donald trump doesn't. although i guess he could take his 68% of his supporters who would still follow him. the biggest argument yesterday that came out against what donald trump was saying came from the pentagon, that this isn't just contrary to american values it's contrary to national security. he is making the case that america is anti-muslim. that's exactly the case isis is

trying to make. >> nicolle, you have travelled extensively with a former president of the united states around the world. it's something to witness and hear when you see people in another country. in france this time. viewing an american political process as a reflection on american values, not -- misguidedly too i think at this point in time but viewing it as a reflection of our political values. >> i spent a lot of time yesterday thinking about my old boss. george w. bush, people giving him credit for what he did on september 13th, 2001, when he went to the mosque. i was thinking about his most devoted allies, the people with the most skin in the game in the war against terror were his middle east allies, were the very people that we asked trump yesterday, so, would you waive your program for a few days so they could visit? what's astauounding to me about trump is not that he has depth of knowledge about foreign policy because nobody running

for president does. it's that at this stage of his lead he hasn't surrounded himself with anybody who is giving him understanding -- i believe he wants to protect us against extremist but he hasn't surrounded himself with anybody who has said the only way to do is to bring around the moderate arab leaders. meet one of the incredible first responders whose actions helped to save lives in san bernardino. plus -- >> we have places in london and other places that are so radicalized that the police are afraid for their own lives. >> we're going to be asking britain's former chancellor about those comments. and the global fight against isis. nancy gibbs is here to reveal "times" person of the year. spoiler alert. shocks willie and me. we had cast our vote for him. this year it's not bill karins. can you believe that?

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year. when "time" magazine has long told us it is the person who has shaped events for good or ill the most across the world. >> so i recognize around this table -- mr. halperin and i were having this fight, a spirited discussion. the person who has most shaped american politics in the last months is going to be front of mind. but if you think about the way we take the peace and prosperity of europe for granted because we have had it for the last 70 years. this is the exception to history. this is a continent that has drawn the world into war over and over again. she is the leader of it. >> it's not around this table. it's not the last few months. it's not in new hampshire. it's not in iowa. mike barnicle just came back from paris, and they are absolutely astounded by what's happening in america, and they're scared because we are the leaders of the free world. richard haass. every time he comes back from overseas he said the only thing diplomats want to talk to him about. not global warming, not the iran

deal, it's trump and what it means to u.s. leadership in the world. >> i don't dispute the amazing change in political discourse that we have had in this country since this summer and the number of times i have lost count of how many times trump has said something that everyone has considered disqualifying. and yet he comes back. so, you know, my -- what i am curious about is, if it is possible to continually break all the rules and live to play another day, does that mean you rewrite the rules? we don't know whether this campaign is going to be played by trump's rules or not. can anyone else play the game that he is playing? and is he going to be winning votes the same way he has obviously been winning news cycles? i think the next 12 months are going to tell us an enormous amount about whether or not what he has changed, which i don't dispute, is lasting. we will be here a year from now and have this conversation. obviously i've heard a lot also bernie sanders' supporters, ben carson supporters.

there's probably a reason why "time" has never put a presidential candidate as person of the year. we know that in the next 12 months the voters will decide. >> does the piece address the impression held by some that angela merkel is now a more powerful person holding off with what she does with her office as the president of the united states? >> we do. in a way what's interesting about her right now is she is someone who practiced the german version of leading from behind. this year she really stepped out. and in a sense she embodies the central question we're all facing, right, are we going to open ourselves up or close ourselves off, as individuals, as societies. in that sense she is the anti-trump. >> you're talking about the -- her syrian refugee policy. >> her position is that great nations build bridges, not walls. this is someone who grew up behind the iron curtain. she is making a very politically risky, arguably strategically

risky bet on openness and tolerance and freedom, which is rather remarkable story from the leader of germany. >> it seems like an admirable choice but i don't know that it's the right choice, mark halper halperin. >> i'm 11% convinced. she has been at the center. she has been extraordinarily influential. to me she has been a back-stage player this year. that's what i don't get. >> that's interesting. i would have said this is the year that she took center stage. in fact, having been a very, very popular leader with approval ratings any other elected leader would envy, this is the year that she has really taken a hit because the stances she has taken are unpopular. one thing she has in common with trump is they've both been compared to hitler. in her case for the very strict measures she put in place addressing the greek debt crisis. she has -- she has made herself, in a sense, much more unpopular by doing things that are much

riskier. but in her mind are absolutely necessary for the continuing prosperity -- >> you don't know if trump will be in power a year from now, we don't know that about angela merkel either. >> that's true of every leader. >> she's -- she's in more -- a more tenuous position today than she's been with the german voters. >> even in the last few days, partly because of the strong position she has taken about combatting isis, the numbers have turned around. she is not as popular as she was before she made her position on the refugee crisis. >> what about al baghdadi. >> this is the other interesting question. if you were choosing between donald trump and al baghdadi. we're talking about influence, the news. over the years "time" has named any number of villains, people who are divisive and people who are very heroic.

we've run the gamut. where do you put al baghdadi on that list? >> his power comes from barack obama's lack of resolve against him and against isis. i put him behind barack obama. i would consider if not trump putting barack obama as the most influential person in the world for what he has not done. it's very interesting. you've got to admit this is the first time that you've been cross-examined over "time" person of the year. this is an interesting -- >> that's the -- we had all these arguments quite heatedly within our staff. this is the reason it's an interesting exercise to take a step back. >> it's a great exercise. >> -- and measure who really affects people, who really affects the news. i think this choice will stand the test of time. it will be very interesting to see where we are a year from now. election years are always a character test. >> is that bush's painting of her? bush did a great painting of her. i went to the museum and saw it. is it? >> this is a painter named colin davidson. >> george w. bush, your former boss, will be pleased that you --

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the couple that killed 14 people in san bernardino last week. law enforcement officers tell nbc news that the suspect may have discussed an attack as early as three years ago. officials believe that fa rook and his wife spent at least a year preparing for their terror attack practicing at a local firing range and making financial plans for their family following their deaths. meanwhile, more than 300 officers responded to the san bernardino shooting. last night about two dozen of them shared their stories during the evacuations. one officer, a detective, could be heard telling survivors, i'll take a bullet for you. >> thank you. thank you. try to relax. try to relax. i'll take a bullet before you do. that's for damn sure. be cool, okay. >> i meant what i said. i said it for them to kind of calm down and relax, that we were going to do everything we can to get them out of the building safely. it's nothing short of what any other person in law enforcement

would do. don't feel like a hero whatsoev whatsoever. anyone behind me or any one of the 300 who were there would have said the same thing. that's our job to put ourselves in the line of danger to protect the community. >> let's bring in nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. also, tv host and former marine, montel williams. first of all, chris, you were out there straight from paris to san bernardino. >> listening to that makes me kind of emotional because i recall in every one of these mass shootings there are so many other victims that we don't talk about. obviously the people who were killed, the people who were shot, but the people who were in that room. and we're getting more descriptions about what it was like to be in that room. one person talking about having this thought that obviously doesn't make any sense that somehow a plastic table cloth and plastic utensils might be the thing that kept them from getting shot. the horror of being there, and the heroism of the people who

would rushing in never ceases to amaze. and these are things that are going to stay with people for a very long time. in fact, obviously, their whole lives. who of us doesn't remember where we were, what we were thinking on 9/11 no matter how far away we were. so the human part of this that comes out continues to be so moving to me. >> really does. and montel, yesterday you were very vocal about marines, that put themselves in harm's way every day and our service people who you say may be in more danger today than ever before. >> i really do believe that. i'll go back to that officer. you saw the emotion on his face. it's not just emotion of going in and saving somebody's life. for the next year he is going to see the body parts, he's going to see the bleeding. he's going to see the people he couldn't save and that's going to bear on him even more. when we think about the comments coming out of donald's mouth the last couple days. i came on last time because of amir hick matty who sits in

prison four years later for wearing a marine uniform. he is an iranian american who served this country with dignity. he has to hear somebody say, i might not let you come back in this country. all those walking around on the streets just wearing the uniform. there are people in london and paris and other places going like this, you put people in danger. that's why i think as a country, as a nation, you know, i'm glad that am ssome of the other candidates stepped up yesterday and had a little bit of intestinal fortitude but they're not going far enough. >> chuck todd talking about a picture somebody put, arlington national cemetery, a picture of two grave sites, one jewish soldier, right next to a muslim soldier. >> we currently have 5,000-plus

muslim soldiers on active duty serving this nation. how dare we disparage a person who wants to step up to the plate and defend the democracy that someone claims they want to be the president of. it drives me crazy. >> are you confounded by the popularity of donald trump or do you understand it? >> we've all been hoodwinked. back in 2000 there were four reality shows on television. right now there are over 350 of them. and all of them are based on conflict and battle. we have women turn over tables and spit in another woman's face. people applaud it. when we only applaud the lowest common denominator in this country, why do we think the lowest common denominator has now ascended by using the tools of his business to the top. it's going to stay there as long as we let it happen. again, keep applauding women punching each other. keep applauding the fact that our children don't want to go to school and become educated in any discipline that will help

this nation. keep applauding that and let's see. this is the beginning. trump is the first. watch what happens in the next election. >> but where do we go? when i -- i talk to people and was in not just paris but london and rome briefly. and everywhere i went people came to me, everywhere i went, and saw that i was american whether i knew them or not, saying this isn't real, right? or, but when you call him on it -- and it was amazing to me how aware they were. when you find out that what he said isn't true, that's going to have an impact, right? and all you can do is say, but so far it's not. >> you got a lot of questions about merkel too, right? >> every single day. >> we're leaving the "time" magazine segment behind. >> listen to everything we do. across the board. every show, whether it be news or not. skip out of news. everything is based on an argument. you can't talk about the candle sales right now without arguing about them. when we do so, we lie.

all of the reality shows are based on lies. and america has been accepting it for 15 years. >> donald trump has brought reality television to politics. >> no ifs, ands or buts. >> what do you say to the voters in new hampshire who are giving him an 18 point lead saying he is the only one tough enough to take on isis. what do you say to the democrats who are whispering to me and also to nicolle because it's not just a republican phenomenon. this fear, this irrational fear that has risen up with 95%, 98% of muslim-americans that are peace-loving muslim-americans, members of our family. >> i would say to republicans listen to who you claim to be the most important leader of your time. ronald reagan. what did he say? ronald reagan said the party of lincoln has no place for hate, no place for prejudice. that's what he said.

unequivocally. why do we not start putting that on each day. change the dialogue. donald is here. if anybody doesn't think he's going to get the nomination, you're crazy. if he steps off and does this by himself, he will actually be the spoiler in this campaign. >> right. >> telling you. we can keep playing like in a couple months this is going to change. it's not. he is galvanized a group of people who remember. everybody talks about it. they're saying that these are the people who don't have college degrees. they normally didn't vote. what happens when they all turn up? think about it. you keep thinking -- everybody thinks it's going to split the republican vote. yeah, keep thinking that. >> all right. montel williams. come back. >> i would love to be back. please, again, i want people to remember. there are iranians, there are muslims who have served this country, put their life on the line, hold some of the highest awards for protecting this democracy. we need to protect them. >> we do. they're still out there doing it

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with us now former british shadow chancellor, now senior fellow at harvard university's kennedy school for business and government, ed balls, also a norwich fan. you guys back up? >> we're in premier league. we're neck and check with chelsea. good to be back in the top

league. >> it's great to have you back here. tell us what -- what we need to know in america about britain's fight against isis, france's fight against isis and just how engaged the public is there. >> the threat is very, very real. and people do live, i think, in fear because the threat of an attack not just in paris as we've seen but in berlin and london, is very real. people are on high alert. we have chosen to join america and to join france now in bombing the capacity of isis to organize in syria as well as in -- >> i was going to ask, did david cameron get it right last week? >> i think he did. he had a clear majority in the house of commons. a number of our former colleagues from the labour side voted with the government. so did the liberal democrats. i think there is a consensus in the current that we need to act. but there is a great deal of

concern about what the plan is. it's not easy to navigate our way through. i am afraid with assad and putin in there as well, this is not a comfortable place for the west at the moment. >> do you think that donald trump's language, his rhetoric, as he has employed it especially in the last two or three days, harms america's image among europeans? >> yes. yes, potentially. of course, it all depends, because i've been at harvard for four months now. four months ago when i arrived people were saying, of course donald trump will fade. but he's still there, up in the polls. what he has succeeded in doing is uniting the political establishment left and right in america and in britain in condemning easy solutions which actually divide and harm and will set back our efforts to combat the isil threat. to be in a position where the head of scotland yard, the london police force intervenes in the american presidential election to condemn his words as

being wrong and false and divisive, that's quite something to achieve. >> it's extraordinary. it really is. >> today in the house of commons donald trump united -- people will see the normal promises, questions, there was unity across both sides saying this is wrong and dangerous and divisive and we'll -- and will harm the ability of america and britain to move forward. >> angela merkel can't do that, can she? all right, nicolle. ? >> in this country united hillary clinton and dick cheney having the same reaction. one of the things he said in this speech where he doubled down on the policy proposal that he made. there are parts of france -- i think he said there are parts of france and london where the police won't even go because it's so dangerous and that's simply not true. can you -- what are the police facing in terms of challenges? you have a lot more

surveillance. how does the london police force sort of sniff out anyone that may have become radicalized? it's a totally different question, right? radical extremists are not all muslims. >> i live in london. in a community where muslims and hindus and christians and white people and black people -- >> so do i in manhattan. >> we all get on and we're all determined to fight -- >> but you just had an attack in london, your subway. >> we did. and it was an attack and -- as there have been attacks in the past -- on christians and muslims who have been the victims of these things. the idea, though, is any no-go area for the police in london is a lie. and the police work really hard to work with all parts of the community to make sure that we are ages sas safe as we can be. across uk muslims -- it's a very sizable part of our population, are as determined to tackle terrorism as anybody else. in our london mayor election

which will happen next year, one of the candidates is a london muslim. he wants to fight terrorism to keep londoners safe. the idea he would be prevented from coming to america to discuss counter-terrorism with the mayor of new york because he is a muslim would be astonishing. >> what year will isis be defeated? >> well, i think that this is going to take us very, very many years. we're in for the long haul? >> five years, ten years? >> i would like to think it could be defeated in ten years but i am not an expert. i fear it's going to take a lot longer than that. we have to be vigilant. we have to stick together. there is a time when populations are under pressure. it's easy to peddle division or islam-phobia or cut ourselves off from the rest of the world. there is no solution in that. i hope sanity will prevail in the america election. we need to work together in the future to tackle that threat.

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united states. it's our top story right now on msnbc. are you a bigot? >> not at all. >> a lot of our friends here have encouraged me to criticize and attack donald trump. i'm not interested in doing so. >> anybody who is going to be coming to our country, we need to know why they're coming. >> i don't think donald trump is serious and what he's saying isn't a serious plan. >> we have to be tough. we have to be smart. and we have to be vigilant. >> we have to recognize that there is a small number of muslims around the world who oppose western civilization. >> it's time that my side of the aisle has one less candidate in the race for the white house. >> donald trump is the best thing to ever happen to hillary clinton. >> what he said is disqualifying. >> this is both a shameless and a dangerous idea. >> good wednesday morning to you. there is a lot of news to get to. our political team is up early this morning. hall