n long-term value. we actively manage with expertise and conviction. so you can invest with more certainty. mfs. that's the power of active management. in the history of politics in our country there has never been anything that has happened like here. >> donald trump phenomenon rolls on. >> believe me, that's why i'm going to be elected president. >> that's why the exchanges have been heated. >> that's an insind air ri comment. >> that is not leadership, that is political arson. >> donald trump is literally inciting violence with his supporters. >> now they've become personal. >> donald, your a a sniveling coward and leave heidi alone. >> i am responding to what he

did. i didn't start it, did he. >> can the discord from the republicans be overcome. >> we're going to be smart. we're going to be vigilant. we're going to be proud of our country again. >> this is an msnbc town hall with donald trump from the university of wisconsin green bay. here now, chris matheus. >> good evening. welcome to this exclusive town hall. tonight for a full hour our guest is the front-runner for the republican presidential nomination, donald trump. [ applause ] >> thank you very much. thank you. >> interesting situation here. >> here in green bay. my calculations say that if

you're going to win the general election, you've got to win up here, states like wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, nfl places. >> sure. >> right? >> i think. you know, it would certainly be helpful. we're doing very well. we're leading by a lot. we're leading everybody by a lot and in votes in terms of votes, we're millions of votes up on cruz and millions of votes up on kasich but we'll have to see what we do. all you can do is do your best. right, folks, we do our best. >> let's talk about -- before you get to the general election you've got to win the republican nomination. where's your leverage there? you've talked about north asia, north atlantic treaty, middle east, mexico, the ability to walk, the ability to say no more trade, the ability to say we're not going to buy anymore oil. what is your leverage when you get to cleveland? >> one thing, the voters. i have millions more votes than anybody else. not even close. you know, you've reported it. we're setting records in terms

of republican primaries. if you look at new hampshire, if you look at south carolina, no matter where you look, we're setting records. that's my leverage. these are people that are really -- they really like donald trump. they really like what i'm saying. we're going to make america great again. >> right. >> that's what it is. that's what my leverage is. without me they lose millions of -- i think millions of people and nobody's going to have a chance. i will beat hillary clinton and i haven't started that process yet. i have two people left. we started off with actually 18 people. >> right. >> now there's two left. >> you're counting jim gilmore. >> i'm sort of counting jim gilmore. >> let me ask you about the steps to get there. cleveland is in july. if you go in there short of -- if you have 1237, you've got it. >> right. >> if you come in short and they try something on the short ballot, i've been watching, listening. mitt romney is up to something. he wants it. you can tell he wants it. paul ryan is making himself very clearly available with the statement he made last week. what do you do if they deny you the first ballot victory? >> we're going to see what happens.

i can tell you this, chris. we're so far up above everybody else. we're hundreds, i mean hundreds of delegates above cruz. we just you probably heard last night missouri was certified. i won missouri in addition to everything else. we're way, way up in votes. if we're a little bit short, i think it's a very unfair process. let me just explain -- >> what's the gimme, six inches, two feet. >> normally you're talking about running and we don't have 17 people. we had 18 people again including gilmore, okay? so we have 18 people and during a long period of time we had 14 people, 13 people, 12 people in primaries. we had a lot of people in the primaries. so i'd get 25%, 28%. those are phenomenal numbers when you have that many people running. in those early states which i won but you can't get 50% when you have that many people running. there's never been so many people running. i'm going to come very close to the 1237. i think i'm going to beat the

1237. we're doing phenomenal in new york, emerson college. >> it's all about you not getting the 1237. >> i know. >> what are you going to do? you mentioned a couple of days ago you liked teddy roosevelt. in 1912 he didn't get the nomination, walked out, split the party. beat them but lost in the general to wilson. >> i can't tell you what i'm going to do. if they're going to be fair, they're going to be very happy. >> how can they give up millions of people. >> they don't like you. >> then they're going to lose. then you're going to have four supreme court justices they don't like. >> you said last night on cnn you're not going to stick to this pledge to back the nominee. are you sticking to that. >> i haven't been treated fairly. i don't want an endorsement that doesn't feel oh, i love trump, if he wins he's the guy. i don't want that endorsement. i'm not looking for that. when they asked me for cruz and the endorsement, no, no, no

pressure on cruz. tell him he doesn't have to endorse me. please don't endorse me. >> right. >> it doesn't matter. the endorsements don't mean much. i have some phenomenal endorsements. i have senator sessions, jeff sessions endorsed me. everybody thought he was going to endorse cruz, he endorsed me. i'm better on a lot of things. >> i watched you, mr. trump, on a lot of issues. you always talk leverage. we can walk away from the saudis. we can walk away from the chinese. we don't have to pay for our troops in europe. you always say your leverage is the ability to walk. do you have the ability to walk on the republican no, ma'am nag nation? >> i can always walk. i don't want to let people down. i have millions of more people. the system is not a good system. when you take louisiana, i went to louisiana, i campaigned there, i won the state. now the numbers come out and i have less delegates than cruz. that's not the american way. i went out, as you know, i won louisiana.

big victory, everything, great, but because of arcane rules and a lot of nonsense, frankly, i get -- i ended up getting a few less delegates than cruz. that's not the way the system's supposed to work. >> 3/5 of the american people on nbc say that you're right. if you have the most votes you should be the nominee. i'm still trying to figure out what your alternative is? >> i don't think i want to tell you as much as i respect you. i did an interview with chris at the university of pennsylvania. >> this doesn't work. >> is that a true thing. >> you were a celebrity even then. >> let's talk about -- >> i do like your question on leverage. my leverage is the voters, chris, just to end it. my leverage is the voters. i have millions more votes than -- >> was teddy roosevelt right to walk? >> studied well. i think possibly he was. boy, did that cause a problem. >> it sure did. let me ask this thing with your campaign manager. do you think you could have handled it differently with an

apology to the young reporter, something like that, give her an interview? something to de-escalate the issue and show respect for her? could you have done that? >> i don't think so. i think if he called up to apologize he would have been in the same place. people who saw this say, give me a break. >> but there was contact? >> that's what this law says. unwanted touching. >> yeah, but she -- >> simple battery. >> excuse me, she grabbed my arm twice. you see the picture of me looking like, who is this person and getting her off me. >> what do you make of the bruises on the picture? >> i don't know who created those bruises? i don't know. >> two days later -- >> this argument infewer rates her and women. you're not showing belief in her credibility. why would she make up the story about bruises? why would anybody do that? >> 15 minutes away in front of a very large crowd. i said, who saw the tape. everybody raised -- almost a lot of people raised their hands. i would say 3/4 of people raised

their hand. big audience. i said, who thinks he did something really wrong? stand up please or raise your hand if you don't want to stabbed up. not one person in the room. your cameras were there. not one person in the room raised their hand. we're getting -- it's out of control. political correctness, whatever you want to call it. it's totally -- >> what's the right approach though? if you accidently bump into somebody, you say i'm sorry. don't you say i'm sorry. >> i think that's fine. >> i'm not sure he didn't maybe even say it there. >> what he was doing is, in my opinion, just in watching the tape because nobody even remembers the incident because it was so minor. >> the jupiter police remember it. >> excuse me, i think that they are -- what they've done is i think outrageous. they're destroying a very good person. he's a good person. forget about politics, forget it. he's a good person with a wonderful family, four beautiful kids and they're destroying that

man over nothing. you take a look at that tape and she's grabbing me. now maybe i should press charges against -- she's not supposed to be grabbing me. she's touching me, grabbing my arm and i'm going like this. i'm saying, who is it? the news conference was over. she wasn't supposed to be asking questions. she pushed her way through, came through the secret service, grabs my arm and i think maybe this was just the reason -- let me tell you, just so you understand, if she went down, she made the statement that she went down or essentially almost went down. >> almost went down. >> nothing -- there was nothing there. she didn't even have a -- if i give you a little shot on the arm you're going to go ow. i'm a strong guy. you're going to go oh. she -- >> she did say in real time that it hurt. >> when was the real time? when did they record that? i don't know. >> you're very skeptical about her. >> i'm a very skeptical person. >> why don't you have any sympathy for her? >> i don't think that -- >> she's doing her job. >> it was my tape. >> i know it was your security. >> i looked at that tape and we

have heads being cut off in -- in -- all over the world, frankly, but we have people's heads being cut off in the middle east, we have people drowning in steel cages. here's a woman, it didn't even look like there was physical touching. that was almost like blocking her away from me and he's supposed to be a criminal for that? >> but western society claims that we're better with women. >> look, nobody respects women more than i do, that i can tell you. >> you don't respect her. >> well, you know, she's somebody -- yeah, i would say i don't have great respect for her. >> i would say for her to do what she did to this man is outrageous. >> she quit her job. >> did she quit or did she get fired? >> i don't know. >> i think she quit. >> i think maybe the other way. you'll find out. >> let's talk about -- >> we'll find out in court. the easiest thing for me to do, you're fired. that's so easy. that's a very easy expression. then everybody's mappy.

>> everybody's happy. >> there's a middle route. >> i can't do that because i'm loyal to people. you know, when they went to cruz and kasich, you should fire him. they didn't even see the tape i don't think. you should fire him. you should fire him. i don't do that. if somebody is being -- i thought it was a very unfair situation. this is not good for me. >> how do you think women react when this he see this? the numbers aren't good. >> i think a lot of women would say, give me a break. i don't understand. the numbers aren't good. the numbers were good. they're not as good with women as they were but nobody respects women more than i do. >> let's talk about isis. it's the number one concern of a lot of people since last week. >> right. >> how do you beat people? when we fought the germans and italians -- >> uniforms. >> how do you fight people who wrap themselves in dynamite, they get up, brush their teeth in the morning, shave i suppose in some cases, go off to the airport, blowing themselves up,

killing themselves that day, that morning, how do you beat an army like that? this gets down to something we haven't dealt with before in our history. how do we beat that? >> we have to be so tough and so vigilant. we have to do things frankly that we haven't done before. >> they want to die for their cause. >> maybe they do and some of them do. you know, a lot of people are trying to figure out why they do this, how they do this. >> they're recruited. >> are they drugged out. >> they're recruited. >> are they drugged out when they do it? what's going on when they walk in and blow themselves up. are they all drugged out? is somebody drugging them. there's a lot of things going on. when i talked about we have to be very careful because we have people coming into this country, it's a very bad situation. we have thousands and thousands of people coming into our country. we have no idea where they come from, who they are. >> oftentimes it's the second or first generation. it's not the first wave of immigrants. these people in belgium have been living there. they were born there. they're belgians. how do you dealing with that situation. >> look at the guys in boston

they came here as young kids and became radicalized. >> does banning their entry into the country encourage them to be on our side or encourage them to be on the other side? >> i think banning them until we figure out what's going on is an important thing. i take a lot of heat for it to be honest with you. chris, there's something going on. >> 1.6 billion muslims and they're all getting the message from donald trump to say stay out of my country. how does that encourage them to fight isis? how does that encourage them to fight the bad guys? >> they have a big problem. >> if we say -- >> saying what you are doing is a great thing, not a bad thing. >> are any muslims -- >> i have actually -- i have a lot of friends that are muslim. they call me in most cases they're very rich muslim. >> they get into the country? >> they'll come in. you'll have exceptions. wait, wait. chris, chris. with the san bernardino situation -- >> right. >> -- many people saw that apartment with bombs all over

the apartment. >> i agree. if you see something, say something. >> not one person with all the people that they said it's racial profiling, that's why they didn't call. you know why they said that? you saw this, you better come up with a good excuse. they said it's racial profiling. a lot of people saw what was going on in that apartment. not one -- >> i'm with you on this. of course i'm with you. that's not the question. >> why didn't they report them. >> you're saying ban -- >> why don't they ban them. >> they get the message. they're going to war. 1.6 in indonesia, pakistan, albania. anywhere there's muslims, you don't want them. they get the message. they're a little bit more ill disposed. >> maybe they'll be ill disposed to fight isis. maybe they'll want to say we have to come back into america and fight this problem. >> cruz is pushing. he wants patrol cars. we have neighborhoods with muslim people living there. these aren't street criminals, they're plotting bombings if

they are. up and down the streets. that will make them more militant. he's toughening up a stance. >> what do you think of his stance? >> patrol cars. >> i think we have to look at mosques. we have to be extremely careful. we're making enemies here. >> we're making enemies by doing nothing. we're knocking down world trade centers. we're shooting planes into the pentagon. probably the other plane was going towards the white house. you had some very brave people. what are we going to do. sit back and say we want to be nice to everybody? we can't be so nice. >> sometimes we create more trouble than -- >> do you think we were smart to go into iraq? >> i thought it was one of the worst decisions in the history of our country. >> are you more hawkish than hillary than -- >> i'm probably more intelligent than hillary? >> answer the question. are you more likely to engage mill tearily than hillary. >> i would have never gone into iraq and i said from a very

early date, you saw that, from the earliest date i don't want to go into iraq. don't go into iraq. i was a real estate guy. i was a business guy. nobody cared that much. i said, you have to destabilize the middle east, that happened. when we got out of iraq, we got out the wrong way. we set a date. i always said take the oil. you know who has the oil? >> we need ground troops to do that. you need ground troops to take the oil. >> i said take the oil. i said, keep the oil. we already had the troops there. when we were leaving, i said, don't leave, keep the oil. >> your most controversial suggestion was don't take nuclear weapons. you may have been hooked into this -- >> don't take what? >> nuclear weapons off the table. i tried to think how we could use a nuclear weapon in the middle east. why put it on the table or leave it on the table if you can't imagine where to use it. >> i said i would be very, very slow and hesitant. >> why wouldn't you say, i don't

want to talk about it. presidents don't talk about nuclear weapons. >> we're talking about nato which i say is obsolete. >> you got hooked into something you shouldn't have talked about. >> some day maybe. >> maybe? where would we drop a nuclear weapon in the middle east? >> somebody hits us with isis, you wouldn't fight back? >> dropping a nuclear weapon into a community -- >> you don't want to say take everything off the table. >> just nuclear. just nuclear. >> look, nuclear should be off the table, but would there be a time when it could be used? possibly. possibly. >> the trouble is david cameron heard t the japanese. a guy running for the president of united states heard about possibly using nuclear weapons. >> why do we make snem. >> because of the old -- >> i was against iraq. i'd be the last one to use the nuclear weapons. >> can you tell the middle east we're not using a nuclear weapon? >> i would never say that. i would never take any cards off

the table. >> how about in europe? >> no, i don't think so. >> just say it, i'll never use a nuclear weapon in europe. >> i am not taking cards off the table. i'm not using nuks -- >> the same people hear you and the insane people are not affected by your threats. that's 9 troubling. the real fanatics. >> i think they're more affected than you might think. >> okay. your call. much more from the university of wisconsin green bay and our msnbc exclusive town hall with donald trump coming back. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. make sure your doctor hears you too! i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, don't suffer in silence!

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we're back from green bay, wisconsin, the home of green bay -- university of wisconsin green bay with the front-runner for the republican nominee, donald trump. we have the first question from people here. go ahead. hi. >> hi. >> my question for you is

regarding your immigration reform. i was wondering if you can offer a little bit more insight in specific as to what you really hope to change if given the presidency. >> okay. very good question and i think it's a very strong question for me because from the beginning i have been very strong on immigration, on stopping illegal immigration. just so you understand, i want people to come into this country. i want a lot of people to come into the country. they have to go through a process. they have to do it legally. we have to have a strong southern border. tremendous problems. we're having tremendous problems with crime. we're going to have a wall. mexico's going to pay for the wall. >> i don't think they will. how high is this wall going to be? >> a good 35 feet. it's getting higher all the time. but -- but -- >> i don't think so. >> we either have a country and we have borders or we don't at all. a lot of people are going to

come into the country but they're going to come in legally. >> can i ask you about one question following that up. you build a pretty high wall, they'll build a tunnel, take a boat, a plane ride. if you had to get here to get a job, you'd get here. my question is this, what are you going to do about illegal hiring? the democrats joined the republicans. we're going to stop illegal hiring. >> you can do that with everify. >> are you for it? >> i'm for it. i use it. >> what should be the punishment for -- >> well -- >> you're collaborating with an illegal immigrant. >> it can be very strong. a huge financial -- >> why won't they pass it? >> they don't want -- >> they don't believe in it. >> some of them do. some of them believe in it strongly. others don't. i'm using everify on every job at doral. i'm using it on the building of the post office on pennsylvania avenue into what will soon be a phenomenal hotel. i'm using everify. >> the person who hires someone

illegal illegally. i'm not talking about leaf raking, i'm talking about somebody who hires them to save money on labor. you're basically encouraging illegal immigration because that's why this guy or woman is coming here, right? isn't that right? >> yes. you can solve the problem with everify. >> why doesn't your party and you back that? >> i back it. my party backs it. >> no, they don't. ryan won't bring it up on the floor. they're not trustworthy. they talk a line about illegal immigration. they want to play these games. they like the cheap labor, don't they? >> they do in one way, but many people don't. they don't want it. you know what -- >> the regular working guy doesn't want it, the business guys, the corporate leaders want the cheap labor. >> chris, we need borders. we have a country. we need -- >> i'm with you. i like your line. the way to stop illegal immigration is to stop illegal hiring. >> you can do that. you can do that. >> it makes economic sense. >> i do that on every job. >> good evening, mr. trump. >> hi. >> i'm chris parker.

my question is given recent events with minority protestors at your campaign rallies, can you give me some reason why a minority volter myself should vote for you? >> because i'm going to bring back jobs in this country. you look at african-american youth, 59% unemployment. you go to various places, you go to baltimore, you go to all of the -- oakland, detroit, you look at the kind of numbers. i'm going to bring jobs back. i'm taking them back from china. i'll bring them back from mexico which by the way is eating our lunch both at the border and with economic development. ford is going there, nabisco is going there, carrier air conditioner just announced they're moving to mexico. i will bring back jobs. i will make it so that they're going want to stay here. nobody contacts ford. nobody contacts nabisco or carrier. they leave, they leave, that's the end of it. we don't fight to keep these companies here. we're going to fight. it's going to be jobs, okay? >> thank you. >> you go to china, you see the

ukraines, they're working. cities we've never heard. i've been there. they're unbelievable. how are we going to rebuild our cities? you talk about penn station in new york being a dump, laguardia being a dump. i took the train a couple of days ago. it takes three days. when are we going to rebuild our country like europe does or japan or germany. the countries that we beat in world war ii have state of the art stuff and we're back 70 years. >> they're killing us with monetary devaluation. >> no. >> we are not building here. >> but the reason is our jobs are being taken out and they're doing it with devaluation. if you look at what china has done with the devaluation of the currency, they're killing us. >> how do you stop it? how much paper are they going to have. >> you know how you stop it? you stop it by being tough, saying you can't do what you're doing. >> china is like a chess master. >> they're getting away with it. >> their leaders are smarter than ours. >> they have our paper.

what are you going to do if they dump all of that paper on the world market. >> we owe them 1.7 zbll what if they dump all those bonds? >> we're going to be just fine. >> oh, really? >> no, no, we're going to be just fine. >> our number one creditor is going to dump us as a debtor and we're going to be fine. >> chris, we are going to be absolutely just fine unless we continue with the program that we have right now. do you know, would he have a high dollar. you take a look at what's happening in this country. people aren't coming here. our high dollar which sounds good to people. everyone says, that's great. we have a strong dollar. we're getting killed worldwide. you look at tourism and everything else coming into this country, it's not happening. we're getting absolutely out maneuvered by devaluation. >> you take your approach. you've signaled this. nato, those guys have to pay their dues or we're going to get out. you say in north asia, you say that about japan and south korea. if they don't start paying more, we're pulling out. you say in the middle east,

jordanians, saudis, we're pulling out. mexico, if you don't build the wall, blah, blah, blah, we'll cut off trade. this bargaining technique is i don't need this deal. these existing deals we have with europe -- >> you don't need them. >> do you think we have to protect somebody? >> we don't need those deals? >> we don't really need nato in its current form. nato is obsolete and we're spending disproportionate -- >> how about the middle east? >> we are spending so much money. with fracking and all of the things that are taking place and with all of the oil that canada has, canada has more than almost anybody, when you look at what we have, we aren't dependent on that anymore and we very shortly -- >> we don't need jordan, the saudis, the emirates? >> people have to pay their fair share. saudi arabia was making $1 billion a day. >> i know. >> and we're defending them and we're getting -- >> you are the only one that can cut a deal. no one else has been able to cut a deal.

>> they don't cut deals like i cut deals, that i can tell you. >> you're willing to walk? >> you always have to be able to walk. >> how do you walk from nato, the middle east, north asia, china, all these relationships, just drop them all? >> nato is 68 years old, okay? you have countries that are getting a free ride. you have countries that benefit from nato much more than we do. we don't benefit that much from nato. >> i think you can turn down new deals but all of these deals we've had like nato, relation shchs with japan. >> of course, why should they when we give them -- >> do you want them to have a nuclear weapon? >> i'll answer that question. a lot of people don't know this, we spend a fortune on defending japan. we spend a fortune on defending germany. we spend a fortune on defending south korea. i ordered thousands of television sets, they come from south korea. they make so much. they're making a fortune. they're a bohemoth.

>> because it's in our interests. >> why aren't they reimbursing us? >> fine, that's a good argument. if we walk -- if the alternative, we walk. >> i'm the messenger. i'll get it. >> they're going to do it because they like you or they fear we're going to walk. >> no, because it's in their best interests. if we have to walk, we have to walk. >> south korea and japan, maybe they have to get their only plan. >> i'll keep it. south korea is a bohemoth. they make so much. the great ships of the world. you can't buy televisions -- >> the last time we pulled troops into the 38th parallel, it was a problem, the south korean war. we shouldn't be pulling troops. >> so we compete with south korea. i have buildings in south korea. i get along great with the -- >> you won't if you pull the troops. >> the top people -- i didn't think i was going to be running for president. they used to tell me, they don't tell me that anymore, they cannot believe they get away

with who else they get away with. you know who else? china. largest in the world pays me rent. i have the bank of america building in san francisco. i know the chinese better than anybody. let me tell you, they can't believe they get away that they get away what they get away with. >> they get away with it because we oh, 1 trillion dollars. >> i'm monopolizing. >> i have a request on what is your stance on women's right and their right to choose in their own reproductive health? >> as you know, i'm pro life. i think you know that. and i -- with exceptions, with the three exceptions, but pretty much that's my stance. is that okay? do you understand? >> what should the law be on abortion? >> well, i have been pro life. >> i know your principle. that's a good value but what should be the law? >> they've set the law and,

frankly, the judges and -- i mean, you're going to have a very big election coming up for that reason because you have judges where there's a real tipping point and with the loss of scalia who was a very strong conservative, this presidential election is going to be very important. what's the law? nobody knows what the law is going to be. it depends on who's going to be elected. somebody will appoint conservative judges and somebody will appoint -- >> i've never understood the pro life position. i understand principal. it's human life as people see it. >> which it is. >> what crime is it? >> it's human life. >> should the woman be punished for getting an abortion? >> look. >> this is not something you can dodge. if you say it's a -- abortion is a crime or abortion is murder, you have to deal with it under the law. should abortion be punished? >> well, people in certain parts of the republican party and conservative parts would say yes. >> how about you? >> i would say it's a very serious problem. it's a problem we have to decide on. >> are you for banning it?

>> are you going to put them in jail? >> now what i'm asking you because you say you want to ban it. what's that mean? >> i am against -- i am pro life. >> how do you bana borings? how do you actually do it? >> you'll go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places. >> yeah. >> but have you to ban it. >> you ban it, they go to somebody who flunked out of medical school. >> are you catholic? >> yes. >> how do you feel about the catholic's position. >> i accept the teaching position of my church. >> do you know their position on abortion? >> i concur with it. legally get to the question. here's my problem -- >> no, but let me ask you. >> it's not funny. >> it's really not funny. what do you say about your church? they're very, very -- >> but the churches make their moral judgments but you running for president of the united states. chief executive of the united states. do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> yeah, for the woman.

>> ten cents, ten years? >> that i don't know. >> why not? you take positions on everything else. >> i do take positions on everything else. it's a complicated. >> you're saying bluntly you're pro life. >> let's not talk about my religion. >> i am talking about your religion. >> i didn't say i'm a very good catholic. secondly, you're running for president, i'm not. i'm asking you what should a woman face if she chooses not to have an abortion. >> i'm not going to play that game. >> why not? game? you said you're pro life. that means banning abortion. >> so is the catholic chur zblch but they don't -- this isn't spain. the church doesn't control the government. >> what is the punishment under the catholic church. >> let me give you something from the new testament. don't ask me about my religion. i'm asking you, you want to be president of the united states. you tell me what the law should be. you said your a pro life. >> i am pro life. >> what's that mean. >> with exceptions. i am pro life. i have not determined what the punishment would be.

>> why not? >> because i haven't determined it. >> when you decided to be professor life you should have thought of it. >> no, you can ask zblish here's my problem. if you have punishment, i don't believe in it, people -- >> you don't believe in what? >> i don't believe in punishing anybody from having an abortion. i think it's a woman's choice. >> you're against the teachings of your church. >> i have a moral view but i believe we live in a free country. i don't want to stop a person from making that decision. that would be so invasive, so determinative of a society. donald trump, you wouldn't be familiar with a society like that. >> i heard you speaking so highly about your religion and your church. your church is very, very sttongly as you know pro life. >> i know. >> what do you say to your church? >> i say i accept your moral authority. in the united states the people make the decisions and we live by that. that's what i say. >> you don't live by it because you don't step. you can't accept it. you can't accept it. you can't accept it.

>> can we go back to matters of the law and running for president because matters of the law -- this is the difficult situation you placed yourself in. by saying you're pro life you mean you want to bana borings. how do you bana borings without some kind of sanction? then you get into the very tricky question of sanction. a fine on human life which you call murder. >> it will have to be -- >> a fine? imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant. >> it will have to be zblermd what about the guy that gets her pregnant? is he responsible? >> it hasn't -- it hasn't -- different feelings, different people. i would say no. >> they're usually involved. anyway, much more from the audience here at the university of wisconsin green bay. we'll be right back. ♪ there it is... this is where i met your grandpa. right under this tree.

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>> the courts have decided so that's not a subject that's come up. the courts have decided. i would have preferred the states making a decision. >> just a quick furthermore. could you talk about how you might increase equality for people of the transgender community? >> i would say that i'm going to go by the laws of the courts. the courts really is up in flux but i'll go by the laws. >> next question. go ahead. >> hi. >> hi, mr. trump. my name is chris colter. i'm wondering what plan is for a drezing rising college tuition costs? would you support something as aggressive as, stay, student loan forgiveness? >> i get this question more than any when i'm with college students. they're up to their neck in debt. they don't know what to do. they're stuck. we're going to work a plan where it's going to be extensions, where it's going to be very low interest. we're going to work on it. i get that question all the time.

it's an enormous problem in this country. the biggest part of the problem they graduate from college, good colleges and they can't get jobs so we're going to work on it. yes? >> my name is elena colt. i'm a retired veteran. >> good. >> i'm wondering who your top military advisers are and who are your top veterans affairs adviser is? >> i've really announced and i'm going to be announcing some at the end of this week. i've announced a whole list. i gave it out last week. we have walid faris and tremendous people. frankly, as far as the vets said, i thought you were going to ask me another question. because the vets in this country are being treated horribly. >> i agree. >> when you talk about illegal immigration, they're being treated worse than illegal immigrants. what's going on, it's corrupt. the veterans administration, and it's incompetently run so i can tell you as a vet you're going to be very, very happy with

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bay. chris. >> thank you. >> as a fellow politician, some of us are embarrassed about the decorum of this campaign and just the attitude and the flavor that this has taken. i'm wondering what you can do as the front-runner of the republican party to real will he elevate the issues and get away from some of this pettiness that we've been experiencing. >> first of all, congratulations, four years as mayor of green bay, that's quite an honor. i will tell you, generally speaking, i agree. we have very hard issues. we talk about them. i would much rather talk about the issues than things that get brought up. things get brought up. sometimes they get brought up because it's me and sometimes they get brought up for a lot of other reasons. i think it's very important that we elevate the conversation and i agree with you 100%. i would much rather be discussing nuclear and all of the other issues that we're discussing than the kind of things that you're referring to. thank you, mr. mayor. >> hello. >> how are you? >> good. my name is shawna froelich.

i'm a professor in the communications department. my question is around prison reform. what needs to be reformed with our prison system. with that, what do you think about drug legalization, playing into the reform? >> i think that as far as drug legalization, we talk about marijuana and in terms of medical, i think i am basically for that. i've heard some wonderful things in terms of medical. i'm watching colorado very carefully, see what's happening out there. i'm getting some very negative reports, i'm getting some okay reports. i'm getting some very negative reports coming out of colorado so we'll see what happens. i think a lot of people are looking at colorado. for prison reform, i think as you know, our prison system is a disaster, it's a complete disaster. almost everything we have, chris, if you want to know the truth is a complete disaster. >> really? it's not that bad. >> our military is depleted,

vets are not being taken care of. >> why does everybody want to come here if we're not great? everybody in the world wants to come here and everybody does better in this country than where they came from. >> other people have problems. >> i think we're better than that. >> with prisons, we can do privatizations and private prisons. it seems to work better. >> what are the problems you've heard about colorado? who do you want smoking dope? the train conductor, bus driver, airplane pilot? no. maybe the guy who teaches philosophy might be okay. does anybody trust anybody who's high to do anything? i'm serious about this. recreational drugs, what's that mean? >> there's a lasting negative impact. you do too much -- >> the loss of ambition i think is there. >> yes, there's a loss of something. so that book has not been written yet but it's going to be written pretty soon. i'm not hearing very positive things. >> hi, mr. trump. my name is michael rector. my question is you're on the record saying there might be riots in the event that you're not the republican party nominee. >> by the way, i hope not.

>> no, i hope not, too. i'm asking about that -- >> not led by me but there will be a lot of unhappy zbleem in the event that a brokered convention doesn't award the nomination to you, does your campaign have any plans to mitigate violence among your supporters? >> we'll definitely have the largest number of voegts no matter what happens. we'll also have definitely the number of delegates by far. nobody's even going to be close. will we get to 1237? i think so. i do believe we will. because it will be very nice. i'll do a very good job, but i think we will. if we don't, i can't really tell you what happens. look, the people are being disenfranchised in this country. they looked at me as somebody and they look at me as somebody that's going to bring them back. we haven't had -- you haven't had a real salary increase if you're a blue collar worker in over 12 years. it's getting worse and worse and worse. these are smart people. these are people that have always had good jobs. their jobs have been taken away.

they've been sent to china, mexico, many other countries and they're not doing as well as they were doing 12 and 15 years ago. i will bring that back and they know i will bring it back and i'm the only one that's going to bring it back. i'm the only one that understands the subject. frankly, i'm the only one that talks about the subject. i think you're going to have some people that are going to be very, very upset if i'm leading. now if i'm not leading, somebody else has more votes, somebody else has more delegates, that's a different thing. if i'm leading by a lot and i'm a little bit short of that number, that number is a little bit fictitious. i'm not running against one or two people. for the last six months we've been running against many, many people. it's a very unfair standard. if i'm a little bit short but i'm millions of votes and hundreds of delegates ahead of other people, i think you're going to have some very unhappy people. i hope nothing bad happens, but i think you're going to have some very, very angry and unhappy people. >> what will you be? >> i think the --

>> what will you say to the american people who voted for you ats that moment? >> i can't say yet because that's a very emotional situation so i can't really tell you what i'll do or what i'll say. i can say this, if i'm way ahead by all counts, if i'm way ahead, i would be very disappointed. we're supposed to be a democracy. the louisiana thing is a terrible thing. i told you before. i won and i end up with less delegates. >> who do you trust in the republican leadership. you come in at 1150. who do you go to? do you go to kasich, look, i need a vp, i need your delegates. >> i don't want to reveal what i may do. i may do something. >> you said you may use nuclear weapons but you can't tell me -- >> i never rule -- you don't want -- from a negotiating standpoint -- >> do you trust snib do you trust reince priebus? >> do i trust anybody? >> do you trust mitt romney not trying to go in there? >> no, i don't trust mitt

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we're back here with donald trump and just a couple of more minutes. i want to give you a chance here because a couple of things in this campaign you said have grabbed me and i thought were powerful. i want you to take a minute, give you a break here just to do it. either we have a country or we don't. what did you mean by that? >> right. i mean we have borders. we don't have borders. people are pouring into our country. the border patrol just today endorsed me. that's a big endorsement. >> what do they think of this wall idea? >> they like the wall and they like to be given their strength back. they want to be able to do the job. these are great people and they're -- >> you're asking the mexican government to put a wall up to keep its own people in.

>> no, no, no, we're putting the wall up. >> they're paying for it. >> they're going to pay for it. >> they're going to pay for our wall to keep the -- >> this is like the berlin wall. why would any country pay to keep its own people in? >> let me tell you something. >> it's never happened. >> since the bir lynn wall. >> we have a trade deficit with mexico, $58 billion a year. the wall will costa proximately $10 billion. believe me, they will pay in one form or another. >> if not? or else what? >> they could stop a lot of the problem. if you want to become a citizen of mexico, it is impossible. >> i know. i'm not saying -- >> let me just tell you. >> i know that. >> they could stop a lot of the problems we're having by themselves. they don't choose to do it. not right. we have a trade deficit, $58 billion. >> so we cut -- >> this is your strategy in every case. we can walk. no more trade. >> you have to always do that. >> no more trade with mexico. >> absolutely. >> no more troops in europe. >> when i say no more trade, once they know that you are

really willing to go that extra length, there will always be trade but we'll make good deals. >> the bottom line is always we walk. >> you have to be able to walk, yes. it's unlikely that you'll have to, but you have to be able to walk. >> this can be very tricky. thank you, mr. trump. >> thank you very much. >> we'll continue. this sunday, it may have been donald trump's worst week on the campaign trail yet. he defended his campaign manager charged with assaulting a woman reporter. he called for women who have abortions to be punished. >> there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah. there has to be some form. >> he says he's open to japan and south korea having nuclear weapons. and now he's slipping in the polls. is the donald trump campaign finally crumbling, or will he survive as he's done so many times before? plus, hillary clinton still can't put away bernie sanders, and the frustration is beginning to show. >> i am so tick of the sanders