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the two-year-old snatched by an alligator at the theme park. we begin with politics, checking the calendar, exactly one month away from the start of the republican convention in cleveland. at the new report in the washington post suggests dozens of gop delegates are exploring new ways to stop presumptive nominee donald trump. this pushes on changing party rules and allowing delegates to vote whom ever they want. the efforts to bring about a contested convention come at a time grovi growing tensions bet trump and the party. here is what trump told supporters in a rally outside of houston last night. >> the party is actually liking me. you know, i'm an outsider. i'm an outsider. and historically they don't love the outsiders. but i think they're starting to like me.

maybe there will be a few -- you don't hear about the tremendous numbers of people -- i'm talking about the politicians that are totally supportive. if one person raises a little question, it's like, oh, did you hear. let me tell you, folks, we have tremendous support. tremendous. >> trump will hold two rallies today, one in las vegas, the other in phoenix. hillary clinton and bernie sanders have no events today. meanwhile, elizabeth warren is once again fuelling talk about whether she'll be picked as clinton's vice president. the masenator who last week endorsed hillary clinton stopped by her campaign headquarters in new york and spoke with staffers. a new report today alleges a stunning shortage of staffing within the trump campaign particularly in key background states. hallie jackson is in las vegas. good day to you, what can you tell us about this? >> reporter: here's what we know, alex. we know that there is moves being made to try to staff up in

these background states. you're seeing, for example, ed brookover formally with the campaign and now in the liaison role to try to boost campaign efforts in the early states. he'll be working closely with jim murphy, the national political director in order to try to make progress on this effort. although, as our reporting has borne out, including the ap report, is it a concern this is not a conventional strategy. this is not traditional and timing is another concern. it's not traditional as well. only because what you're hearing from sources is, hey, by this point there would have been more progress made. right now it feels as though it's more of a step by step approach in putting the building blocks together. whereas in the past it was more seamless integration between the party and campaign. there seems to be a window when you talk to republicans and strategists they're looking at. once we hit convention, which is

just about a month away. if you don't see real progress that's when you'll see more concern from those inner circle republicans. >> it's a nungt tmonth to the d. let's talk about trump's rally which starts a couple hours from now. yesterday as you know he riled up the crowd talking about orlando and the issue of gun control. do we expect him to hit that again today? >> we do. he's been talking about it all week at his rallies. what was notable last night, when we were outside houston for his rally was the crowd reaction and just how almost emotional or at least animated donald trump was when talking about the second amendment and when talking about what might have happened in orlando had more people been armed in the nightclub. here's what he had to say >> this son of a [ bleep ] comes out and starts shooting and one of the people in that room happen to have it and goes boom boom. you know what? that would have been a beautiful, beautiful site.

>> reporter: but this all goes back to the idea -- you have trump talking guns, you have him talking terror and orlando there. in texas. this is notable, because it goes back to the idea of battle ground states. trump has spent time in places that are not battle grounds in places like texas and georgia, especially texas. such a deep red state. why is he spending so much time there? it's the money factor. this is another area where his campaign is working to play catch up trying to get big dollar donation and getting fund raisers on board. that's something they're working on. >> okay. hallie jackson in las vegas ahead of the trump rally, thank you so much. let's bring in nbc's kasie hunt from washington, d.c. the dnc is reacting to this report. first there's new developments in the family of hillary clinton? >> there is. outside of politics, this helps explain why hillary clinton or perhaps helps explain why hillary clinton has been off the trail the past couple of days, her daughter, chelsea announcing

on twitter the birth of her second child saying mark and i are overwhelmed with gratitude and love as we celebrate the birth of our son, aidan clinton. this is the second grandchild for bill and hillary clinton. so far, we have not gotten any reaction from hillary clinton herself. you might remember that when granddaughter charlotte was born, there was a photo of the two of them that they put out with their first granddaughter. we'll keep an eye out for you and let you know if we see anything from the clinton family. bu going back to what you were talking about with hallie, they are off the campaign trail with their new family member. but behind the scenes, of course, all of this organizing still going on. the dnc, democratic national committee seizing on this ap report that shows trump is behind democrats in organization. that statement, of course, kind of using -- it's a little bit of an excuse to throw the kitchen sink of their criticism of

donald trump into one statement. but overall, democrats feel like they're in a very strong position organizally. president obama in 2008 and 2012 shows you can take data organizing all the mechanics of campaigning to a new level. he turned out people in places where he knew they were going to support him in huge numbers. of course, we talked for months now about how important mobilizing the obama coalition will be for hillary clinton. and they've been at the work of the machinery of that for almost since the end of the 2012 election. and so they really are quite far ahead of donald trump. trump himself of course has dismissed the value of a lot of this, of organization of data of the kind of day-to-day mechanics of it thinking, okay, i can get plenty of news attention when i send out a tweet. i'm always in the headlines. there are a lot of republicans who feel that in this particular instan instance when you move into a

general election a lot of the machinery is important. he'll need the help of a presidential organizing machine. >> which is why george w. bush is going to come out on the trail thank you so much. let's go to terror in orlando where we have new information on the gunman omar mateen's gun permit. nbc sarah dallas is in orlando. she's been on the ground since the shooting last weekend. what is this new information? >> reporter: we're talking about the permit that he obtained in order to get a gun for his job as a security officer for a time. the psychologist whose name appears on the permit said she never gave any such exam to omar mateen and was no longer practicing when the document says it was administered in september of 2007. now, mateen, it's important to note would still have been able to obtain a gun, a private citizen in florida does not need to undergo any psychological exam to get a gun.

still, it is another piece of information for investigators as they work to piece together the motive and the background of the man. we spoke with the chief of the orlando police about the investigation just a short time ago. >> i can tell you the fbi is still processing the scene. working very hard. they've said all the time, you know, they go where the evidence leads them. so that's -- but that's more their focus right now. we're more of in a support role for the entire scene and giving them anything they need. >> reporter: funerals for the 49 victims continue today. some remains being transported back to puerto rico, a cemetery here in town donating a plot of land for any families who would like to bury their victims here in orlando. meanwhile, 23 people continue to be treated at the hospital here in town. we're told six people still in critical condition. >> okay. not too far from the pulse

nightclub, thank you. let's bring in msnbc contributor sean henry former executive assistant director for the fbi. before i get to some specific questions, the latest news we're hearing, a psychologist claiming she did not perform a mandatory test to say that he is of mental fortitude to own a gun and that sort of thing. what does that mean? how does that happen? >> obviously that's going to be a big part of the investigation here, alex. al a lot of the concern we're hearing by a lot of people understandably how do we keep guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't happen them. whether they be criminals, people involved in domestic abuse. a lot of people who have some type of mental illness, in a lot of the mass shootings we've seen, we determine there was some signs they had some type of mental incapacity. in this particular case in florida the requirement to have that investigation done in analysis and not being done will raise questions there's go to be answering to do.

>> i'm curious, the logistics of something like that. it may different from your perspective working with federal institutions. but is that on the company, the private security company that has to hire a psychologist to administer this kind of exam, or is it on a licensing, a state, federal facility? who is responsible for hiring a psychologist to administer an exam like this? >> in florida i don't know exactly where the regulatory portion lies and who has the actual accountability responsibility for that. but this is a much broader issue across the united states. keeping guns out of the hands of people who shouldn't have them and i think that this mental health issue and psychological exam that should be looked at prior to somebody being issued a particular weapon in florida and nationally i think. this is a big issue that has to be reviewed. there are going to be some sanctions i imagine across the way. congress is stepping up and

really banging the drum to take a look at this. >> let's hope they get something on this. that begins tomorrow, the banging on the drum. let's begin with what we learned about the gunman and any links to isis. any official, any direct links? >> we've got an american born citizen born here in new york. we believe that he was radicalized likely self-radicalized online. i don't think there's been any connection directly to isis, automat he's made a number of statements along the way. in the course of the investigation, after the incident at pulse, we saw investigators talking about interviews they had conducted and that he had made statements -- originally when he was brought on to the radar of the fbi he made statements to having allegiance to osama bin laden and family members that would have been tied to al qaeda which caused the initial review investigation by the fbi in

2013. i don't think there's been any specific connection between him and isis. this is a larger problem, this is the issue where we've got isis having the ability to spread their rhetoric, their jihadi violent language to influence people and to encourage them to take actions here in the united states. that's the bigger piece here where american citizens are being radicalized to take up arms on behalf of the jihadi cause. >> i'm curious how this works, how someone gets on a watch list and how long they stay on can they be dropped indefinitely? another disturbing point is the fbi interviewed him three times. how often do you have repeat offenders, if you will, people that are repeat lade comiedly c the attention of the fbi and not going anywhere? >> when you talk about the watch list, that's kind of a term that's used which is really a collection of a lot of different lists, one of them is called tide, a u.s. intelligence agency

list. and then there are other lists that people commonly call in the aggregate the watch list. there's not a lot that gets somebody on to that list. it starts with some reasonable suspicion somebody is a threat here in the united states. in the particular case here with the fbi engaged in a preliminary investigation of this murderer, it started with the comments i made -- i described earlier, where he said he was tied to aq. the fbi for ten month had him under surveillance at different times. they had used some cooperators or something they ran up against him in a covert way. they done some type of technical monitoring of his communications. they actually deployed quite a bit of resources against him. at some point, they had nothing along the way that stood out that said this guy is tied to isis, he's tied to a terrorist group and poses an imminent threat. the fbi doesn't have the

resources to follow, to conduct full investigations on everybody that's on that list. there are hundreds of thousands of people at any time. and active investigations right now in all 50 states, hundreds of people or thousands even in all 50 states. the resources do not afford the government to do this. one other quick point i think is important to note. the fbi had gone under an investigation or a review by the inspector general in the mid2000's saying they had put people on the list and kept them on too long and had to take efforts to move people off. so, you know, at some point, the fbi says we don't see anything here, we've got to refocus our resources. unfortunately, the resource issue is a major problem here for the u.s. government. >> totally makes sense. what about this, as you well know there's a local gun sale shop owner who said a few weeks earlier he told the local fbi office of someone who apparently was omar mateen asking about heavy body armor and ammunition. they apparently had surveillance

video of him in the store. he never bought the gun, never said anything, they had no name. but the fbi says, look, we didn't have enough to pursue it. what is your take on that? could they have found him? could they have followed up? should they have followed up? >> i don't know what happened with that phone call. but if somebody got a phone call, merely running him through a data base would have shown the prior investigations that occurred in 2013 and 2014. an agent or an analyst would have been able to see what the original allegations were. if, in fact, that call came in and somebody did do those data base checks, certainly him trying to buy a thousand rounds of ammunition and a bullet proof vest would have raised some significant concerns. so i know the bureau will have tlo to look back at that and see if something fell through the cracks. >> they don't think he had a name. he hadn't bought anything, he made someone very suspicious at that gun shop.

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the last thing i would do is tell anybody to do something that's contrary to their conscien conscience. i get this, this is a strange situation. it's a very unique nominee. but i feel as a responsibility institutionally as speaker of the house i should not be leading a chasm in the middle of the party. that would definitely knock us out of the white house. >> that was house speaker paul ryan taking the pressure off his colleagues to vote for the presumptive nominee. it is part of an interview which will air tomorrow on "meet the press." joining me now is joy, host of a.m. joy. so first of all, your comments to speaker ryan, and his

comments about trump this week, he's basically calculating to his supporters and saying to them you don't necessarily have to vote for him, i'm not going to ask you to vote for him. but he's not rescinding his endorsement. >> this is an awkward position. he's speaker of the house. he himself has endorsed trump but doesn't want anything to do with him. he's the leader of the convention that could be contentious. he's trying to parse politics here, not tie himself too closely to the trump brand. he may want to run for president. but he doesn't want to be the person for destroying the party. i quantity imagine a more awkward position. >> he uses the words, he says it's a strange situation, a unique nominee. he's very, very carefully treading this line. >> he's also is the person that has called donald trump racist or at least called his comments racist. he actually said that. if you're principle objection, your objection to donald trump is on principle, if it is your

fundamental moral principle he is somehow at least spouting or espousing racism and you can't support that. how do you also then say i endorse him to be the president of the united states? >> is he just going along with party politics? >> that's what he's doing. al they don't want the trump taint on them but they also want in a partisan way for there to be a republican in the white house. i think what a lot of people are worried about is that essentially you have the grover norquist formulation. give us any republican that will sign anything we want. whatever it is we want we don't care who it is. it's not a very principled position. >> let's talk about veep stakes. how difficult is it for him to get given his falling poll numbers saying i'm going to jump into the race and sign up and hitch my star to this wagon? >> i tend to believe someone

like newt griin gritch. chris christie, i can't imagine anybody who has a political star attached to him or who is on the rise attaching themselves to the trump ticket. >> let's look at the polling speaking of that and the falling polling over the month or so which shows him slipping. what do you think the key reasons are for that? >> i think the slide did begin with the judge curiel comments. the republican party has had the vizeral reaction to is the notion their policies are tied to racism or to anti-black or anti-hispanic feeling. they would want you to see these are the principles we believe in that are not tied to race. that commentmitaitary is unfair. so unnerved a lot of republicans and a lot of to be honest with you suburban republicans, people

who think of themselves as conservative on principle it made people push away from donald trump. it's his antics the way he responded to the orlando massacre with a tweet about himself. bragging about himself. i predicted this, i called this. he seemed petty, it didn't seem very presidential. and he starts to come across as somebody who might actually be as petty and small as you think a reality show person would be and not as big as the presidency. >> so we've been talking about the washington post as well with the renewed effort to dump trump. it's the 18th today, that convention begins exactly a month from today, is there time in just one month to actually dump trump and find someone else? >> i actually interviewed the delegates, she's a member of the rules committee who is trying to put this together. she has probably ten votes out of 112. she doesn't have a lot of time, and the convention delegates would have to vote for it.

you would have to have people who are pledged vote for donald trump change their mind and not vote for him. i think there's not enough time. i think people who have loved at this who are expert in convention politics it's logistically difficult to see it happen. i've been saying you don't beat something with nothing. if you're saying not trump who? they haven't settled on a who. is it ted cruz, john kasich, you're basically asking delegates to substitute something for nothing. and i don't see how you make that work. >> even just the fact that it may not come to fruition and donald trump may lock it up and he's the nominee, we take out the word presumptive. how much damage does it do the republican party overall? it seems half the people out there are saying dump trump. >> without former presidents, any of the bushes without the

party's most known stars, corporate sponsors. you won't have signage. people will know you have a convention of one. donald trump and his supporters without the broader institutional and social support that you usually get at a convention. this is -- could not be worst optics for the republican party as they try to carry their brand forward beyond 2016. >> elizabeth warren speaking of conventions, is speaking at the democratic party convention in new hampshire. sit with me just for a minute. let's take a listen to what she has to say. >> not about making a profit for the government or boosting revenues for rich guys. and that brings us back to donald trump. trump university. which his own employees explained was just a big lie and a fraudulent scheme. now, rather than investing in high quality instructors and

classes, donald trump put together an army of sales people to sell sell those classes. it was like a used car dealership except it's not fair to used car dealerships. trump sales people would focus on how much money someone could come up with then push the perspective students to max out all their credit cards to fork over thousands or even tens of thousands of dollars to donald. his play book said look for people with problems because they make good targets. trump encouraged his sales force to go after elderly people who were trying to create financial security. now, trump university failed. and that's no surprise. think about all the other trump

failures. trump casinos, airlines, stakes, magazines, vodka, mortgage, travel trump network. donald trump is a proven businessman, a proven failure. [ applause ] unlike the people who got stuck with an overpriced bottle of water or a fatty steak, many of the trump u victims ended up deep in debt. sometimes tens of thousands of dollars of debt that they had no way to pay off. these were ordinary folks who were targeted because they had problems and donald trump saw that he could make a buck off them. here is a man who builds a business to profit off other people's pain. donald trump wants to be commander in chief. but he's only qualified to be fraudster in chief. you bet. [ applause ]

so trump thought at trump u that he had picked on people who were weak and defenseless. now they are striking back and they have sued the thin-skinned racist bully. yeah. [ applause ] so far -- >> we're monitoring them in our control booth. listen to this woman, she does not hold back at all. she is going after him. matter of fact i would put good money on it you'll have a snide trump tweet about pocahontas later today. it sounds like she's campaigning to be vice president. isn't the role of vice president often to be the attack dog and allows the president nominee to stay above the fray? >> although i think you'll see hillary clinton joining in that kind of attack on donald trump. she is good. i have to tell you, it is rare for a politician to be as good on the stump as they are on paper and in theory. elizabeth warren is a stellar

politician when she's on the attack there's nobody better. for hillary clinton, you have to ask yourself, if she's going to do that now and not be on the ticket ado ydo you have to add ? at the same time nobody would make hillary clinton more openly amenable to young people, to young women, than that woman right there. and how ironic you have two women in their 60s but essentially elizabeth warren could have the youth vote to hillary clinton. elizabeth warren could get young women interested and bernie sanders voters interested. she's that good. it's something the http:illary clinton campaign has to consider. >> go prepare for your show tomorrow. thank you. happening now in pennsylvania, authorities have found 12 girls living in a home with a 51-year-old man he has been charged with sexually abusing one of those girls. morgan radford is outside the home in bucks county. what's the latest on this investigation, anything new since this morning?

have they been able to further things, get more information? >> reporter: a lot of activity happening right here. they pushed us behind police barricades. you can see upwards of 15 authorities who appear to be taking items out of the house, even special armored vehicles have been here. this is after 12 young girls were found inside secretly living with a 51-year-old man named lee kaplan. they range in age from six months old to 18 years old. neighbors say they could feel that something just wasn't right. take a listen to what some of them told us. >> multiple times i've ridden by this house and seen young girls, various ages of children dressed mostly in amish clothing. often afraid. >> growing tall weeds, you know, i see children in the driveway. there is something not right there. they just look sad and fearful every time you see them. that's what made me call. >> reporter: now on a curious twist of all of this, the 18-year-old woman who was found

living inside this home, she told police that lee kaplan was the father of two of the children living inside that home with her. now, we're investigating is what we've heard sources tell us that in fact her parents gifted her to lee kaplan because they were trying to escape financial ruin. these are the pieces and elements that are swirling around this idyllic neighborhood. neighbors said they could feel something was right and it didn't reach the level of proof. one of the witnesses said she saw him in a grocery store in 2011 and that the relationship between him and the young women didn't feel like that of a relationship of daughters. other neighbors said they noticed there wasn't ever much trash outside of this home and they even noticed school buses never came by. these are the questions we're finding out here as authorities search the home behind us. >> many answers yet to come. thank you so much. morgan radford. categorical denial strong words from a psychologist that signed off on the orlando gunman's mental status.

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professor and former federal prosecutor. welcome to you. let's talk about the new reports that mateen was texting with his wife, noor during the rampage. he asked her husband where are you. do you see what's happening? he responded no. he responded i love you babe. >> absolutely i think the wife is potentially looking at charges here based on the text that you see on the screen there. those do not necessarily indicate she knew what was going on, but they certainly could be a basis for believing that she did and investigating further. i bet that those are not going to be the only texts and communications we see. if she knew what he was planning to do beforehand, she could be liable on aiding and abetting, in which case she would be chargeable the same as a principle. she could have been an accessory

after the fact. she could have obstructed justice by deleting social media or other communications. the texts are certainly an indication potentially that she was not caught completely by surprise by this. >> how do you read the reports that she was there with her husband when he went to purchase large amounts of ammunition is? not necessarily the ammunition used in this attack? >> right. circumstancely purchasing large amounts of ammunition is a potential sign the person purchasing the ammunition is intending to do something unlawful with it. it's not per se illegal to purchase ammunition or to go with your husband to do so. when you tie these individual pieces of evidence together, i think you do at some point get a circumstantial picture of a person who was maybe an active participate or helper in the plot to begin with. and that would be conspiracy. >> i'm curious, where is the

threshold for attorneys or anyone responsible in the law enforcement community, where is the threshold where someone should have been able to understand what was coming and should have reported this. i mean, it's hard without her husband having said to her this is what i'm planning to do and laying it out specifically. how do you go about holding somebody responsible for what they should have done? >> let's assume that the wife maybe had heard her husband say things that had troubled her or made her think that maybe he had violent impulses or ideas. there is no general legal obligation to report people to the police because you suspect they might do something bad or violent in the future. that's a decision that people have to make individually. it's not a legal obligation, it's not something she could be compelled to do. i think most people, even if it's a spouse, most people would think long and hard before calling the police and saying,

you know, come and arrest my husband. on the other hand, i think we do expect that people should seek help and guidance and seek some sort of intervention if they have the suspicions. >> she is said to be cooperating with authorities. how much consideration do you think she'll get from prosecutors? >> that is the most difficult and interesting question right now in this case. because there is no ability that the government has to compel her cooperation or to compel her testimony. they can subpoena her, compel her to come before a grand jury and give testimony. but she has a fifth amendment right not to implicate herself in this crime. if she's sought legal counsel or if she's watched tv and seen law&order. she knows she has a right not to give compelled testimony against herself. the government needs to be careful about this and make sure to the extent they are keeping her in custody, maybe as a

material witness, that they tread delicately around the areas in which she would be implicated herself criminally. she may want to cooperate. she may feel a moral obligation to cooperate. i imagine she does, especially if the scale of this was so much greater than what she could have imagined. and she might want to just tell them everything she knows. she might be looking for some sort of an immunity deal where she would provide testimony in cooperation for not being charged herself. if she did have counsel, that's the sort of thing her counsel would be looking at. >> she is certainly reportedly looking to get counsel right now. thank you so much for your insights, i appreciate it. >> sure thing. gaining ground, the one area new polling shows donald trump gaining on hillary clinton. my business was built with passion... but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on

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30 paid staffers on the ground throughout the country in swing states. let's bring in the national political reporter at "the washington post." always good to see you. i want to get right to this. i want to stay with the ground game issue for a minute. even if he doubles staff to number 60. how can trump compete going into the general election? >> that's a great question. that's a shockingly low number which is five months to go to the election and particularly given that it was fairly clear now for three months that trump was the most likely winner and for six weeks that he absolutely would be the republican winner. you can hire a lot of people in that space of time and it's usual to say the least he hasn't. what a ground game staff does in swing states is get out and start to open field offices, find out what people want where are the most likely places are where there would be difficulty turning out votes. start to get to know the local

elected officials. get people on team trump, do all the kinds of things that field organizing does in politics. you need more than 30 people across six states. you need more than 30, 60 or 90. you really need -- it depends on how heavy you want to compete. it seems like a realistic number of paid staff would be well over 100. >> debbie wasserman schultz says it's going to be hard to find people who want to work for trump. >> she's finding it difficult to find republican colleagues who want to stand up and say much good about him. she may have a point. he's going to be the republican nominee unless there's some kind of last minute last ditch effort at the convention. and there are republicans who have worked in campaigns, paid and unpaid all across the

country. many of whom -- for decades, many of whom would end up working for him because he's the nominee. i assume he's counting on that. still that level of early engagement and really getting out and recruiting those out a recruiting those staff, recruiting volunteers and getting them excited, that's not enough people to do that. >> hillary clinton has generally polled better on national security than donald trump has. we are seeing him inch up in the polls since orlando. what is the explanation for that. >> i think no one really knows how yet to process orlando and how it will end up being seen in a political and national security context. is it a terrorism event? is it an event that we think of more in the context of mass shooters, implicating gun control. is it some combination of the above. i think what you're seeing in the polling right now is a

general level of confusion and worry among the public p, which usually ends up benefiting republicans in a national security context. times of perceived threat, national security threat, usually from abroad but potentially certainly domestic as well do tend to benefit republicans. that may be the explanation for donald trump's improvement in the numbers, in the reuters poll that came out yesterday. he was just at under 11 points from her which sounds pretty bad except for previously, he had been 14 points. the clinton would take a ten-point victory any day. they don't think they are even going to get that in the -- when really push comes to shove in november. it would be shocking to have a ten-point -- for her to have a ten-point victory. it would be the first of that kind in a long time.

i mean, sure, it could happen. they are all expecting and planning against that the polls will close. >> ann, always good to talk with you. >> nice to see you, alex. coming up, a mom blogger shares her on frightening near hits with alligators while living in florida. all the way to jordan and chelsea's wedding. rumble! road trip. there she is. uh oh, oh, oh, oh, what? so here is our road trip itinerary. what's this? a bunch of different places... nah, bro. we gotta go off-script. rip to shreds every motel, cabin and teepee, between here and the wedding. now get out of my seat. alright. (screams) road trip! whahhhh hahaha... road trip!

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in florida, beaches at disney world remain closed as beaches have a review of processes in the wake of lane graves horrific death. they are putting up fences warning beach--goers. joining me now, darlain kuna. she wrote about her own kids near misses with alligators while living in florida. you are saying because the graves family is from nebraska, they may not know how dangerous

gator encounters are. without naming specific businesses, yours did not take place at disney. >> when people come here to the state or on vacation, any are not expecting alligators to pretty much walk among us. in other areas, wildlife stays in the woods. i'm from connecticut. coyotes stay in the woods. gators are everywhere, because there are so many of them. when we went to visit my mother on the gulf coast, she has a beautiful little home abutting a lake. my kids went down there to look at the turtles and to play with the egrets and this and that. they weren't in the water but they were close. an old man came out and hurried me away. he was like, there are gators in them waters. i was like, what? he was like, yeah, get your kids out of there. i wouldn't let my kids play there. we did. we listened to him.

lo and behold, two, three hours later, there was a 12-foot alligator laying in the exact spot my kids were playing in. that's something i wouldn't expect. >> we are looking right now at a photo that you took of a gator. >> that's it. >> that's a huge gator. >> were you just terrified? >> oh, my god. my family and i stood around behind the screen door of my mom's house just peering at it. we couldn't believe it. floridians have been very defensive because if you're in florida, you should know there are gators around and you should but you don't. >> so universal studios, which as everybody knows, a sister company, it is now conducting an audit of the bodies of water out of that park out of an abundance of caution. what would you like to see theme parks, like disney and unverse sal do to prohibit this?

>> i think warnings and signage will go a long way. when people are coming to a place like disney world, the happiest place on earth, they assume that place is safe. they assume the place is completely in control of any kind of danger that could acost their children. whether or not that's right or wrong, it is the assumption. a sign that says no swimming to anyone that is not from florida means there is no lifeguard. that's what it means. >> right, it's true. >> be more specific. no swimming, alligators. where we are from here in gainesville, plains perry has a great sign. at dusk, if it moves its food, it has a picture of kids and says, get out. it is true. >> you wrote that the state is partially to blame for what happened at disney world. what do you want to see the state of florida do? >> i think it has been something that's been allowed to not be talked about. alligator attacks are very rare. i don't want to make it seem

like somebody gets attacked every week. they hardly get attacked. in spring, at night, people can be attacked, as we saw. i think the state would do well to put up signs or help businesses with signs or on public properties, just make sure those signs are really specific. mention alligators or wild pigs or venomous snakes, whatever. we have it all. make sure people know. pamphlets too, like at disney. they have all those pamphlets spread out on the table. have one for gator education. it doesn't have to scare people. these are what they are about. >> thank you so much. some good practical advice based on your experience in orlando, former cia chief james woolse yechy joins us wit thoughts into the investigation. using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework...

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