bodies. and i have seen at least eight today. but i know there are more in other parts of the town. now the town is split in two. the center has collapsed completely. now we are on one side. and we know that there have been more casualties on the other side of the town. from where i am now i can see people still digging with hands, because obviously they cannot use an excavator if they think there are still people alive under the debris. >> digging with their own hands. as far as people who are okay in the town, have there been shelters set up since so much of the town is completely flat? the amount of people who have lost their homes must be massive. >> yes. many people are still under shock and are standing in front of their houses. for two reasons. one, because sometimes they are waiting for relatives, for their

loved one to be rescued. or because they can't believe their house and all the their belongings are gone. i have just interviewed a woman who walked to the debris and she was staring at her house and she was saying this was my house. this was the place where i wanted to spend my -- the rest of my life after retiring. and everything is gone. it was a 15th century house. >> i'm so sorry. tell us where you were you when the quake hit last night? >> i was in rome. but i was waking up. rome is 100 kilometers approximately from here. or a little bit more than 100 kilometers. and i was waken up by the shock by the effort quakes. it was very strong in rome too. so i cannot imagine how strong it was here.

>> and now that shock is felt around the world. thank you for joining us. be safe. our thoughts are with you. >> thank you. we've got to turn now back to politics where donald trump is unleashing a new barrage of attacks against hillary clinton as questions are swirling around the clinton foundation. during clinton's time as secretary of state, more than half of the people on her meeting schedule also happened to be donors of the clinton foundation. >> it is now abundantly clear that the clintons set up a business to profit from public office. >> nbc's jacob ras kst ccon is n florida. mr. trump hammered this point last night. i'm guessing he's going to be doing that again today.

>> reporter: it's hard to imagine a news story playing more perfectly into the hands of donald trump. over the last year one of his core principles he said has been the rigged system in washington, trying to break that up. he spent a lot of time recently trying to build up this nickname he's given hillary clinton, of course crooked hillary clinton. this comes at a time last night donald trump was asked about his tone going forward and attacks on the kahns and other things. he said i have to be me, but now it is between me and hillary clinton. donald trump really wants to spend a lot of his time focusing on hillary clinton. he was just handed something to talk about. he'll be talking about this until the election. >> well, the clinton campaign responded to the a.p.'s analysis and released this statement. just taking the subset of meetinmeet meetings arbitrarily selected by the a.p. -- is there any sense

from the trump camp this thing could stick? >> reporter: they're going to continue to run with it. in fact, this morning there's a statement that says in part from the trump campaign that breaking up the rigged system in washington is at the core of donald trump's message, referring to this news report by the a.p. he called it a threat to american democracy. he said this is like a third world country. regardless of what the clinton camp says, this is something that trump will hammer again and again on the trail. >> joining me now is one of the reporters who conducted the analysis of the clinton foundation, steven braun. walk me through your findings here. >> well, what we wanted to do is explore the basic question of who got access, who got time with secretary clinton among outside interests. in other words, people who

didn't work for the government, weren't representing foreign countries. both of those entities, you know, u.s. officials and foreign diplomats are people who hillary clinton is going to meet with no matter what. they're always going to get face time with her. even if saudi arabia gives money to the clinton foundation, which they did, they're still going to get face time. we're not looking at questions of was there a sweetheart deal or corruption. it's simply a question of access. access is an important thing in washington, obviously. that's what they pay lobbyists for. what we did was we went through -- we have a complete set of secretary clinton's calendars and we have a set of her planning schedules that have been forth coming from the state department. they're not complete yet. part of the problem is that when we asked for these schedules as

early as 2010 from secretary clinton's state department, we didn't get them. we didn't get them for years afterwards. and we finally had to sue to get them. we're kind of behind the eight ball here as many other news and political organizations are. that's why all this information is tumbling out now. we went back and went through all of these and looked at all of the meetings that she had with these folks who had private interests outside the government. we're talking corporations, private individuals, philanthropic agencies, non-profits, what have you. what we found was about 85 of the 154 individuals that met with her representing these various interests, about 85 of them had given some sort of donation to the clinton foundation.

>> beyond these meetings, you did not find any definitive quid pro quo. they had a meeting and they received some sort of access or special treatment from the state department. >> no. they got access. they got in and got to talk to her. and we found that one of the things that these 85 folks had in common was that they had given to the foundation. that's the extent of it. if a political candidate wants to try to take that and push the envelope in trying to say it means something else, that's their business. what we're saying here is that at least one of the commonalities in the at least 85 of these folks was they had donated to the foundation. i mean, did they -- did they donate specifically to get that

access? we don't know. but it's certainly something to look at. that's why we thought it was worthwhile doing. >> certainly something to look at and clearly it's getting a lot of attention. coming up, donald trump backtracking on his hard line immigration stance. he is creating more confusion with a new interview overnight. this network of portals will shorten the distance packages have to travel, and save jet shoppers money. unbelievable work! where does that one go? ...happy birthday... whoa, slow down bill. save some for us. (everyone laughs) ...hahahahahahahah. at jet.com, we're always looking for unbelievable money saving innovations. 80% of recurrent ischemic, strokes could be prevented. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps

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we have some great, great people in this country. but we're going to follow the laws of this country. that was donald trump talking to his informal advisor

and friend fox news host sean hannity. after that meeting over the weekend with hispanic leadership, mr. trump seems to be shifting to a more inclusive immigration policy. mike, donald trump is clearly, whether he's flip-flopping or shifting, can he do this in terms of immigration? for the last 14 months we've heard 12 million, they're out! >> you know how they name figure skating moves after people if they're really really difficult? if he's able to pull this off, it will be like a triple double trump. it's tough to walk back from everything you just said. because his position on immigration was the rock solid -- forgot tet the wall. this was the rock solid foundation of his campaign. for the last 14 months it looked like he was running for president of fox news.

now he's finally realized that you have to expand your base, because white people are not going to be enough to get you elected president of the united states. >> is it too late, though? if you look at poll numbers, he's got 20% of latino voters. he's polling at something like 1% of african-americans. yes, he wants to change his message. for example, he wants to go to urban communities now, charter schools. can he, given all the things he's said and done? >> two and a half months is still a lifetime in politics. it's premature for people to declare this thing over. but a lightbulb clearly went off here. if you look at the numbers of oba obama-romney four years ago, you see the daunting tasks that romney had. as long as you keep playing to the cheap seats to get wild applause every time you say who's going to pay for the wall, mexico's going to pay for the wall, i don't see how he's expanle

expanding his base. is it too late? probably. is it definitely too late? i'm not positive. >> is he really expanding his base trying to get those latino voters or african-americans given his history? is he trying to play to those middle of the road white suburban women who say he just takes it too far? >> even white suburban women are not going to be enough. i heard the other day, well, maybe he can get enough white people to vote for him to become elected president of the united states. i'm thinking then you're going to have to bring in white people from like canada and norway and sweden. i've wondered from the start if he could have gotten to this moment without all the dumb stuff about muslim bans and building walls. smarter people than me said, no, that's what got him the nomination. but again it's going to be --

people talk about a pivot, a pivot. he's not pivoting away from what he's been saying about immigration. he'll be spinning himself around in a circle. >> donald trump said his brand, his core, has always been about winning. he made a joke a few months ago saying he might actually make money out of running for president. we got some news out of campaign contributions and where he has been spending money. now that it's gop contributions he's raised the rent five times the amount. when you look at the expenses it's trump ice, trump water, the winery. is this an issue at all for anyone? >> i think it is. great landlord, tough tenant. an old italian grandmother i knew once said, if you're born round, you don't die square. the art of the deal guy, he can't change who he is.

so he's looking to get the best possible deal even when the deal is running to be the leader of the free world. >> this works for him at a time when he says crooked hillary and he's pointing at her pay to play tactics when he was a guy who for years was giving all sorts of contributions to politicians because it works for him. >> it's why you really wonder if we will ever see the tax returns. you wonder what there could possibly be in the tax returns. if there was something in there that could help him, we would have seen them already. there must be stuff in there that he doesn't want to get out into the atmosphere. >> for you, you're saying he's got so much baggage, but it's not a done deal. what does trump need to do? >> he has to keep hoping that the hillary clinton campaign will set itself on fire. the latest associated press story about access when she was

secretary of state. the only person that he could even think about beating is her. and the only candidate that she could be running away with this thing right now is him. we always talk about the popular vote in this country. this one's coming down to the unpopular vote. >> i'm bad, but he's worse. i'm bad, but she's worse. welcome to the 2016 presidential campaign. up next, we've got breaking news continuing. that massive earthquake in central italy. dozens were killed and there may be even bigger aftershocks. before taking his team to state for the first time... gilman: go get it, marcus. go get it. ...coach gilman used his cash rewards credit card from bank of america to earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. at places like the batting cages. ♪ [ crowd cheers ] 2% back at grocery stores and now at wholesale clubs. and 3% back on gas. which helped him give his players something extra. the cash rewards credit card from bank of america.

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number. lucy, please tell us about this massive rescue effort. moments ago we had heard from another reporter bodies were being taken out. while the death toll was confirmed at 38, what does it look like to you? >> i can tell you the rescue effort is still ongoing. moments before we hit live here, one of the rescue officials confirmed to us there have been 50 deaths in amatrice alone. this is a much more powerful quake than we thought. from where i'm standing i can see dozens of buildings effectively flattened. res ccue workers have been raci across the clock to pull bodies from the scene. they have been walking around with rescue dogs whose job it is to crawl into that rubble to try to see if there's anyone alive trapped underneath. we've seen lots of security services, firefighters, all sorts of volunteers trying to

come here to rescue those who are still trapped. ordinary citizens were using their bare hands to try to pull people from the grounds. amatrice is one of the epicenters of this quake. it was so powerful that i felt the shock waves 100 miles away in rome. it woke me up at 3:30 a.m. local time. people were in bed. there was no time to prepare, no time to escape. this is a well visited tourist area. there was a lot of elderly people residing in this town. in the summer time, there would have been lots of tourists here. it would have been incredibly difficult for those people to leave. this was a town that has with stood the test of time for centuries. as the mayor said this morning, there is almost nothing left. some buildings are standing. a lot of them do not look structurally sound. a lot of them simply flattened. there are cracks in the ground.

we've been feeling the aftershocks. almost every hour there's been some sort of aftershock. it's a very terrifying experience. you don't know which buildings will continue to stand and which might collapse. >> talk to us more about the people of amatrice. as you said, many of these buildings are centuries old. some locals have been there for generations. how are the survivors coping as they're looking at their small village wiped out? >> there's a hospital that's still standing but a little bit destroyed. chunks of it were missing from the wall. we saw residents dazed, shocked, confused sitting outside. the doctors there told us that the people with the worst injuries were evacuated to larger hospitals. but those in shock or with smaller wounds were staying out there. they pulled the beds outside to keep them safer and were treating people there, doing triage, giving them food and

water. one of the difficulties is where is these people going to go? there may be more casualties, more homes destroyed. a lot of people are going to need temporary housing, temporary shelter. another thing we're hearing from officials is they're desperate for additional donations of rescue equipment, blood donations and basic necessities, food, water, medicine, diapers. last time we saw such a devastating earthquake was in 2009. around 300 people were killed there. that city is still a ghost town eight years later. what this is going to do to amatrice and the surrounding towns remains to be seen, but the people here are absolutely devastated. >> is it safe for locals who are there to actually stay nearby since aftershocks could continue? >> it's not and they've been

pushing both the locals and us, the media, further and further away because of these aftershocks. of course the brave rescue workers are still going to the scene trying to pull out anyone left in the rubble. it's really difficult to tell how long that might continue. this was a shallower earthquake. while i'm no expert in the geology, when they're shallower, it tends to bring more buildings down. they've been trying to get people away from the actual residential areas. obviously rescue workers still need to risk their lives to go in there because there are still people trapped. amatrice is on top of a hill and there are lots of remote smaller areas that rescue workers have not been able to fully get to. the death toll might rise. there's a lot we don't know about the full scale of the destruction here in central

italy. >> please stay safe. i want to stay on this but go to cal perry. cal, here you are with the map. help us understand how big the impact of this earthquake is. >> it was very large. it happened at the worst possible time. as lucy said, it was shallow. a shallow earthquake, there's nowhere for the energy to go. those deeper earthquakes, the earth has more time and space to absorb the damage. we're really focusing now on the town of amatrice. the hospital there is sort of half rubble at this point, which is a huge problem. as they're pulling people out of these buildings, they have nowhere to take them. there's at least 17 dead in amat, rice. this if you take a look at what the usgs has put out, these are the rings of damage.

lucy said she felt it as far as rome. people in croatia felt it. that gives you an idea of the scope, how powerful this earthquake is. the concern about the aftershocks especially for those rescue workers. here is that twai2009 quake. this is the western edge of the alps. this is why people go on vacation here. it's about 15 degrees cooler than it is in rome. 55,000 homes were destroyed in this earthquake in 2009. >> as lucy said, we could see more with the aftershocks. again, this community, many of these buildings date back to the 15th century. i don't like reporting this new information. the death toll has risen officially to 50 and those r rescues still continue. in amatrice alone, 50. and there are areas that the

rescue workers have not even been able to make their way to yet. right now we turn our attention to the american primer. u.s. coalition forces joined the turkish military in air strikes against syria overnight. forces worked to remove isis from a town near the turkey/syria border. new concerns over zika as the outbreak zone widens. governor rick scott announced a new case in the tampa area. tampa is hundreds of miles away from the current danger area surrounding miami. it's not just about widening the zone, hundreds of miles away. a storm is forming in the atlantic and it has a 60% chance of becoming a hurricane. models show it could be the first hurricane to hit the state of florida in 11 years. a very sad memorial was held last night as officials asked for patience as they investigate the police shooting of an

unarmed deaf man. daniel harris's family say they hope to create an alert system that would let police know they are pulling over a deaf driver when they run a license check. jimmy feigan made his first public comments. he apologized for initially leaving out details, saying i was trying to protect my teammates. coming up, we've got a lot more to cover. the clinton campaign is hitting back hard on the a.p. analysis of her meetings with clinton foundation donors while she was secretary of state.

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appeared on clinton's state department meeting schedule were also donors to the clinton foundation. >> hillary clinton is desperate to cover up her crimes. hillary clinton is totally unfit to held public office. >> let's get the details from kristin welker. wea we've heard this all morning. what new reporting do you have here? >> they're pushing back hard. they essentially say this a.p. report is cherry picked, that it ignores the more than 1700 other meetings secretary clinton had with other government officials and other folks and that it is not a kplacomplete picture of w happened. there is no quid pro quo established in the a.p. report, but there's no doubt the optics are bad. it gives donald trump yet another opening to attack here. yet again in austin last night he called for a special prosecutor to look into this.

>> political analyst hugh hewitt, also host of the hugh hewitt show. tell me, is this foundation issue a field day for you? >> it's a big news story. i spent most of this morning talking to people like politico and the "washington post" who had been investigating the foundation for a number of years. the biggest question is what were people buying when they gave money to the clinton foundati foundation? did they think they were getting access to official government business? nbc news had a story up today that mrs. clinton was out attacking for profit education institutions yesterday. laureate university paid bill clinton $17.6 million to be their poster boy. at the same time they were receiving $50 million from the

state department. that's one of the quid pro quos. >> hold on a second. you're saying there is clear definitive quid pro quo or it's an assumption? >> no, no. i'm saying that bill clinton got paid $17 million by laureate university and laureate university received money from the state department. there's a long way to go before you can prove quid pro quo but there's a lot of smeoke here. a lot of donations came from people like gilbert shuguri. he's a sketchy figure. he's also a business partner with mark rich, the now deceas d ed financier.

there's a great deal of concern that it's not merely appearance problems, but that the clinton foundation subsidized the clinton lifestyle and a number of people, maybe bill clinton himself, ought to have been registered as a foreign agent. this is the same problem that dogged paul manafort of the trump campaign. did they comply with the law and were people giving donations under the table? clinton foundation does great work. it won't be long until the clinton foundation reminds us that when george w. pubush need to raise money, he called his father and he called bill clinton. who thought they were getting what for what? and what do these e-mails show us, these 14,900 e-mails that have yet to be released?

>> without a quid pro quo, can one make the argument that there's foul play? mike bloomberg said several months ago the reason wealthy influential people give money to politicians is so they can influence policy. is this not the way the game is played? >> i never played it that way. here's what matters. "wall street journal" has a story today saying for donald trump to win he's got to win in florida, north carolina, ohio and especially pennsylvania. what do voters in pennsylvania think about mrs. clinton who said they were broke when they left the white house, now being worth hundreds of millions of dollars? what do they think about speeches being given for half a million dollars to donors. now, over here you've got donald trump. he likes money too. it's going to be a tough call

one way or the other. the only issue for us going forward is, does this story hurt hillary clinton, who's already got such terrible numbers on honesty and trustworthiness? i think it does. >> what do those same voters think when they hear stories about trump raising the rate at trump headquarters five times the amount now that he's not self-funded so he's getting paid n more money from his campaign? >> he's going to have to say i'm in the private sector. i fashioned way, by earning it. >> but he's running for president of the united states. >> he's not a public official. if you're a public official, you're held to a different standard. you ought not to be making money off of your office as opposed to your offices. >> thanks for joining. when we return, donald trump now going to expand his out reach to minority communities,

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what the hell do you have to lose? >> pastor, are you advising mr. trump this is the right strategy to win african-american voters? >> well, i think obviously mr. trump has a heartbeat for the keyword is all americans. right now he is tackling issues that are plaguing the african-american community. number one is jobs, unemployment. right now we as african-americans, the net worth of a black family in this country is less than $5,000. when the net worth of a white family in this country is $93,000 to $116,000. there's a huge gap there. he's speaking also to the urban centers of this country who we all know there's no secret there is in a lot of urban communities, there is high crime rate. and there are people who do not -- are involved in criminal activity. they are just american, black

americans who live there. they are afraid often times to come out of their own homes. mr. trump is the law and order candidate. also you're going to hear a message of compassion for those who are in those areas. he wants to make sure he's bringing stability in some of those areas. the number one way to do that is just to bring jobs to those areas. >> are you securing some of those upcoming events for him in those areas? earlier this year he did not speak at an event in an urban community. his campaign manager said it wasn't safe for him to be there. is he welcome? >> absolutely. i'm really excited about what's going to be coming up in the next week or so. we're going to be making some amazing announcements. doors are opening up left and right for mr. trump. believe it or not, there are more african-american leaders and supporters than is polling because it's not politically correct for african-americans

and minorities to support him. >> why? why is it not politically correct for african-americans to support donald trump? >> well, partly it's because the media has done a great job in boxing in and painting in the picture that donald trump is a racist. when any real american, black or white, rich or poor, knows donald trump is not a racist. and so -- in general, people view him as just and bigot whene absolutely is the least racist person that you will ever meet in your life e specially people who know him like myself. but i am excited about the events that are coming up and the doors that have opened up. you'll be hearing about it real soon. donald trump is reaching out after all americans and the african-american community is no different than the other american communities that desperately need a strong leader that's going to bring economic revival to our country. >> pastor, in terms of the media boxiim in, it's been quite

widely reported that many people in the african-american community don't like donald trum's word issues. and those are donald trump's words? >> i think that donald trump's critics do just what they dorks they criticize. they pick bits and pieces of what he said and not hearing the spirit of what he's trying to say, but they will break down the letter of his words. donald trump has a heart for all americans. that's clearly the case. but again, critic also do just that, criticize and break bits and pieces of what he's trying to say and turn into a sound bite and all of a sudden he's racist. >> pastor, thank you for joining me this morning, for your work, for your support of your community. >> thanks so much. god bless. >> coming up, every hours of campaign footage roll in. we'll bring you some of the best moments you may have missed. that's next.

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our political team is crisscrossing the country with all of the candidates. here are just some of the raw political moments you've got to see. a donald trump rally in austin last night, a group of protesters were es courted out, but not before mr. trump got in a jab about the demonstrators. >> i will say this the bernie protesters were much better. they had much more vim and vigor. >> over the weekend, cher headlined a fund-raiser for hillary clinton and it's causing some controversy with pretty salty words aimed at the republican nominee. >> i've been watching him speak with the teleprompters, it's like, i don't know, not many people will know this, but do you remember "fun with dick and jane?" it's like a racist "fun with

dick and jane." >> vice presidential candidate mike pence stopped in for a haircut in southeastern pennsylvania and his barber was a bit confused why so many cameras. >> your name? >> mike pence. i'm the governor for the state of indiana and i'm running for vice president of the united states. >> vice president? >> yes, sir, yes, sir. i'm running with donald trump. i'm his running mate. >> i actually think that was kind of cute. you're luke i can we're out of time. i could talk about cher all day long. that is raw politics from the campaign trail. coming up vice presidential candidate mike pence is expected to speak any minute now at a rally in north carolina. we'll bring that to you live. plus much more on the deadly earthquake that took place in italy. next, the death toll now up to 50. isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla (apremilast). otezla is not an injection or a cream.

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right now more news with my friend craig melvin. >> we start with the breaking news in central italy and the latest on the deadly earthquake that jolted people awake in the early morning hours. the death toll is rising dramatically. the 6.2 magnitude quake struck before 3:30 local time near the remote village of norgia. it was so strong it was felt more than 100 miles away in rome. the towns of amatrice have ben devastation. a look now at the latest numbers. police in amatrice say at least 50 people, 50 are dead in that village alone. more deaths are being reported in other nearby towns as well. the oerm has been mobilized to help in what has become a desperate, frantic search for survivors at this hour. the mayor of amatrice saying,

quote, the town isn't here anymore. let's get right to amatrice. nbc's lucy cavanaugh joins me on the telephone. our understanding is communication haves been difficult for us there because, in part, of the aftershocks that continue. what are you