before we go, today may be known as the day we found out the biggest news story in the world. maybe a whole new world actually exists. scientists have discovered an earth-like planet orbiting the star near toast our solar system. so there. when we destroy the world, maybe we have some place to go. "with all due respect" starts five seconds late. with all due respect to warren g. harding, you are being challenged by a guy who angst little something about domes. >> it will be like the tea pot dome scandal in the 1920s and maybe bigger.

>> he may not be short or stout but he does tend to shout as opposed to those of us who get a handle on things before we spout off. anyway. hillary clinton's team spent the third day. the third out of three days. trying to swat down questions about her family's foundation. more than half of the nongovernment meetings as secretary of state were with donors. over the past 24 hours, had he team has pointed out that those 150 meetings were called for more than 17,000 sitdowns. clinton held with others and officials during her tenure and that many on the ap list such as nobel peace prize winner were hardly clinton cronies. still republicans kept up the pressure. trump hit clinton at his rally in tampa, florida. and shawn spicer, the gop communications director, suggested that the democratic nominee has been hiding from

reporters. >> here's the interesting thing. for 263 days, hillary clinton has yet to face press. instead of sending her spokesman out to defend her, why doesn't she walk the the work that they've done? answer the questions? >> as it happens, hillary clinton's campaign manager was asked about this very thing earlier in the day by our pal on morning joe. >> why wouldn't you put her throughout to answer questions if she can handle it? >> she is out there answering questions. >> is she doing a press conference today? >> she's done over 300 interviews this year. she takes questions in a variety of formats and we'll keep looking at that. i guess my pushback here is that nobody is asking donald trump about his foreign connections. >> i'm asking a question about why not do a press conference today as a strategy to help you eradicate the per spepgs there was anything shady that went down? >> we're considering everything every day. she has been answering questions. she is going on continue to do

that. i think we would ask that people don't cherry pick. >> the politico has a story out that suggests that clinton's basic strategy, as you see there, is to run out the clock and quote, ride out until the election because they have the comfortable lead. if that is truly the clinton strategy, what they call the prevent defense or the four corners offense, depending on whether you like football or basketball. is that a smart approach? >> at this moment in time i do not think it is a smart approach although it is not surprising that this is their approach. this is the play book that they've been using for a long time of deny, deny, deny until it gets on a crisis point and then maybe deal with it even though that gives it longer legs. what is different about this time, i think, for the clintons who have been in the public eye for so long. the speed of media. and with this candidate in

particular, the sort of weather patterns in the 2016 race. i think clinton needs on come out and say something, anything, clarify to the public and then move. on which is entirely possible. there may be, you know, three months left. that is plenty of time for another story to take lead. >> i want to say a couple things. first, the ap story. the clinton campaign has been trying to undermine and it they've dawn good job. they've pointed out real flaws, that it overlooks other meetings. even if you just take evidence as presented. it is still to my mind is troubling. i'm in the camp of people who think, even if there is no quid pro quo. if you write a check to the clinton foundation, unget easy access, through huma aberdeen. just the access point. i think people will point to the speaking sneeze the donors who got the access and then the

dhoek bill clinton, a speech overseas. there are connections of that kind. i think she needs to do a press conference soon. in general, and then when she does this press conference, she would be really smart to say we're talking about shutting this foundation down. if i'm president, we're going on shut it down today. and put the whole thing behind her. >> there is another move the clinton foundation has been using to fight these stories about foundation donors. her team has been trying to shift the focus back on donald trump listing a litany of things they say deserve more reporting and more attention. that list includes trump's reported debt to the bank china. his refusal to release his tax returns and his lack of disclosure about his health. tomorrow clinton is expected to give a speech accusing trump of being embedded in the alt right. given that litany, which should trump be most worried about? >> i think the biggest problem, the one likely to have the most traction continues to be trump's

entanglementes with foreign governments, in particular, the russian connection. even with paul manafort no longer in the campaign. that he wants trump to win. we have hacked e-mails from the dnc. there may be more coming out. there is russian involvement there. russian tampering with an american election, on the surface, the prima facie case that it might be going to in favor of donald trump, that is unsettling to a lot of americans and something donald trump has not remotely put to rest. >> at the risk of being boring, which i usually am not. i think the ukraine thing, the russian thing. russia is embedded in our brains as the cold war adversaries. you say this guy is in bed russia. it doesn't seem like good thing. nor does it seem like this is a person who should be tasked with upholding the american ideals.

i am interested as to why the trump web of financial dealings has not gotten more traction. especially given his connection to the bank of china and his strident remarks about the chinese. i tend to think that it is because the wefb connections is so complicated that most people gave up on the story. >> i want to focus for a second on the tax returns. i has been a bugga bear of mine. release your taxes, donald trump. today, eric trump, his son, came out in public and said that he, eric trump, is the biggest proponent -- or opponents against releasing the taxes. donald trump should release his taxes. it has not gotten enough traction but he needs to do it. >> bernie sanders. a blast from the past. he is set to launch his post campaign political group this evening. it is called our revolution. and it was envisioned to continue pursuing the agenda.

what was once a populist for the to threaten on defeat hillary clinton or disrupt the democratic national convention is now beset by turmoil as infighting over the group's leadership and fundraising have led to mass resignations. those happened over the weekend. a lot of talk about weaver who is now running the operation. the folks who helped sanders raise more than $2 million have only coughed up $300,000 which is not much to support progressive downed candidates. as bernie prepares to speak to his bros and his sises. >> i am not surprised by this. in part because so much of the campaign message was read that indicated on this idea that government was broken and full of cronyism. now it is okay, we should be invest in the and supporting in those running for president. sorry, running for office. and we should be engaged in the

mechanics of government and invested in a way. and that just seems to be fundamentally in opposition to the message that got people excited about bernie sanders. >> i get that there are some people who quit because they don't like jeff weaver's style. and jeff weaver can be a brusk guy. but at core, i think you're right. basically, right now what this organization is, is not a grassroots organization to pursue an issues based movement. what they're saying is, it is an elections season. let's raise a bunch of money and spend that money in what bernie sanders spent a year telling us was a broken finance system. this seems a little bit establishment the way they're doing it. if i were trying run the sanders revolution, i would have found a different way to set you up so it was more issues based rather than money ask candidate based. >> up next, we'll talk about how the clinton campaign is handling donald trump's immigration strategy. first these words. : "knock the crap out of them, would you?

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michael steele with us from washington, d.c. and out in california, los angeles, los angeles, california, as some human beings like to indicate. deputy white house secretary, bill, thank you for joining us. michael steele, i'll start with you, chairman. if one can still pivot these days in american politics, it feels like the trump campaign is engaged in a kind of pivot. as the candidate has been talking laudably about president obama's deportation policies, as it intersects with his own plan. this last week, if one can call it outreach to minority voters, offering the nilistic operations. what else do you have to lose? how effective is any of this? >> i don't think it is necessarily effective to those

constituencies that aren't down with trump. i think the vast majority of the wha black community has long made up its mind. i know that there's a lot more work to do. certainly on the immigration front. a lot of bridges burned with the hispanic community. here's the rub. the conversation goes beyond those two constituencies. it is going really in your face, if you will, to those vote here's are still on the fence. still undecided. yes, there are some. independent voters, he thinet c and to white female vote here's are starting to look at this race as this thing gets on labor day is that beyond. so i think it is an appropriate time to make that terms of it is not a full pivot. we know it is more like a slight

puro puroet. it is an effort to move in it two fronts. one, as you just discussed on hillary clinton. and two, to identify more with some of the other constituencies. >> let me ask you. you got the "washington post" story today. inside donald trump's new strategy, the view of many that he is racist. not a great headline for a general election nominee of either party. imperfect at best. is there any, bluntly speaking, he is doing it a lot. i thought he might do this a couple days and stop. he seems to be doing it in a sustained way. talking about african-american voters and there's a story that he is going to start going to actual black neighborhoods and talking on actual black people as opposed to talking to black beam whites as surrogates. >> talking to mostly white people. >> seriously. does this really help with white suburban women? that is the theory, right? that they will hear this message and think, ha!

maybe he's not a racist. >> i think what he is trying to do. it is so disingenuous. the way he is going about it is so condescending. to come out and talk about the black african-american community like it is these crime ridden neighborhoods. it is more complicated than that. i think the american people, marchly college educated white women that trump is trying to reach out to. have more common sense than to think the way donald trump is talking about this will have any impact. i will say it is not a great sign if your vice presidential nominee mike pence is laughing at the strategy in interviews. so i don't think it is going that well, with all due respect to michael steele who said it is a pirouette, not a pivot. >> slight. >> chairman.

>> i mike we're getting deep into choreography. you think he is going to get more than 2% of the black vote in swing states. this is their incredibly december pondent existence that apparently all black americans live in. doesn't that risk of actually alienating people? >> it is real bifurcated argument. talking about the horror that's may or may not exist in any community is one conversation. folks are taking their own initiative. they're not relying on a program

or some government outreach. there are genuine efforts, grassroots native to the community. entrepreneurs, teachers, local community lead here's are also trying to deal with systemic issues. i think what donald trump has to do is marry those two conversations. and really sort of give a full throated and realistic view of what is happening in the community. if you're going to talk about my community, one, show up. two, understand exactly what is going on. the good, the bad and not so ugly. and then share with me how you propose to help us get to the next level. >> i'm going to shift the focus here on the democratic side and ask you this question. you were with the obama campaign in 2008 when president obama, or president-elect obama was courting hillary clinton to be the secretary of state. i think we're both aware that president obama wanted to have a really, really big wall between clinton foundation and the secretary of state's office when

he appointed hillary clinton. knowing what we now currently know, do you think that she abided by the spirit or the letter of what he wanted from her in terms of shielding himself from clinton foundation donors? >> absolutely. i think she absolutely did. if you look at this story, what we're talking about. it is such a small sliver of clinton foundation donors and the meetings that she had. we're talking about 185 meetings out of 17,000. we're talking about, you know, 85 donors out of 7,000 for the clinton foundation. if this is pay to play, not a lot of people are paying to play. >> do you think president clinton, if i had asked him, whether he envisioned a state department where doug ban would write to huma abedin and set up meetings barack obama would have said, yeah, that's fine with me? >> i don't think the president would be engaging with that. i think if you're talking about a nobel laureate coming in to

see the secretary of state, someone who has done more to lift people out of poverty in the developing world, yes. i think he would assume that person would meet with the secretary of state. >> that's probably not the best example. if you look at the exit/entry rules of the white house. do you think president obama would be happy if half the civilians he met with were obama campaign donors? >> first of all of it is not half. it is this small, tiny sliver of the people she met with. and yes. i have a secret for you. president obama while president of the united states had meetings with people who had also given him money during the time that he was president. so it happens. when you have people who are leaders of industry or who are leaders in the nonprofit world, yes, they do come in and they have meetings with people in government and are working on things that they're working on. so the fact secretary clinton was engaged in this i don't think should be a surprise to anyone and should be as hyped up

as it has been by the media. >> we have 30 seconds. michael, i know you want to jump in. go. >> that's all well and good but that's not how the american people are reading it. it is why they have this high level of distrust about hillary clinton. it is because of stuff like this. >> bill burton, michael steele from los angeles, california, california, los angeles, and washington, d.c., d.c., washington. thank you for your time of coming up, we'll have a carville classic for you. our conversation with the raging cajun is coming up next. m to th, they automatically shrink the prices of millions of other products. very impressive. whew... it's got a little kick to it. i'm sorry, i can't hear you? nice shirt craig. at jet.com, we're always looking for unbelievable money saving innovations.

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it is written by the strategist and long time clinton super ally, james carville who stopped by our studio last night to talk about the presidential race and the thesis of his new book. >> you would not vote democratic as long as you don't count, you know, the time from 1992 to now. the longer case i make, particularly on the economy by every measure that you can. democrats have simply outperformed the republicans and it hand been close. we go on from there. from issues like climate to overreaction to ebowla, to

environmental regulations. one of my favorite parts of the book, the united states says, senator tillis said that he didn't think workers should be forced to wash their hands. i think the guy who makes a salad should wash his hand. >> i'm all for sanitary practices in the workplace. what's with the idea that trump is offering voters something new? nothing left to lose? >> we have to understand. you can't win with 40%. >> we've said for a long time that what happened this year was trump stays a hostile takeover of the republican party, right? he is not a republican. he's changed party six or seven times. people around him, how did that happen? the democratic party is basically happy with its candidate. the republican party is in disarray. >> a couple things. the democratic party is more of an amalgamation of interest

groups. people that get along. some shared things. the republicans, you know, really, if you're, if you cultivated this. the democrats and i don't know how many meetings. we have to get these people, we have to fight. the reagan democrats, the guy the gun rack and the pick-up truck and the hunting dog. and one day we just lost it. they were gone. bye. and they all became republicans. so they became a majority of the republican party, at least 50%. so trump comes in. he stimulates that demographic unbelievably. he does enormously well. and then the republican party is basically fractured. to the point where a lot of

people think and i'm probably one of them, that for the first time in the history of polling, democrats have a chance to carry college whites who rith the key. the veterans, the the key demographic here. >> you think in the next three or four election cycles, the democrats stand any chance of getting the house? >> dave wasserman, my go-to guy on this, right now they need win by 7 to win the house. they need win the house popular vote by 7. that's formidable. i mean, i hope, if we don't do it this time we won't have a chance. we won't realistically could it in 2018. that's a steep hill to climb. it is not impossible. i would be shocked if we lost the presidency. i would be surprised if we didn't win the senate. i think the house, i'm not going

to say never. i think democrats will have a good year. will it be good enough on compensate for the combination of sorting, the democrats overwhelmingly if cities, to some extent, gerrymandering. i gave a speech and someone that, what can i do to help the democratic party? my answer is usually move. >> all right. we'll have more of our conversation with james carville in just a moment. if you're watching us in washington, d.c., you can also listen to us on bloomberg radio.

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snmplt now part two of our interview with the raging cajun. >> my question about the democratic party is this. it's obviously true that the republican party at the national level. the republican party is very respectful in some respects.

most of the governorships, they control the house and the senate. i want to look at hillary clinton in the fall. was there any time during democratic nomination fight you thought she might lose to bernie sanders? >> i can't say that i was not nervous. but i never thought that she would lose. once i thought about it, it was like in the general. people call, did you see this? i come back and i think about, you have to have this much of that and that much of that. don't get nervous. >> looking down the road. we know we will get a bunch more e-mails. we have some stories that suggest a lot of clinton foundation donors. how much of a threat do you think it is, given that it is the biggest looming political threat i can see. how big a threat? >> i think if i were running the campaign, giving political advice. i would say shut it down. as a human being, it makes me a

really bad person. people are going to die. now, no one said, if bob dole was the majority leader, elizabeth dole is the head of the red cross. if george h.w. bush gave money for the library when his son was president, that's fine. a lady sent me an e-mail and pointed out that the points of light were started by president george h.w. bush in 1991 while he was still in office. i think that the foundation is, i'll say this and we'll move on to something else. of all the things bill clinton did that i am so proud of. he started the genocide. the human genome. they decided that they don't like it. >> that's untrue. i have to say to that, no one thinks the clinton foundation doesn't do good work. no one argues that. what people have argued --

>> they say, they say it's just for the clinton lifestyle, the clintons -- >> so there are some people on the far right who say that. by and large, people acknowledge the clinton foundation does good work. i'm not challenging you on that. what people are concerned about is that the clintons have now acknowledge that had they're going to effectively get out of that business if she becomes president of the united states. people back at the time when she was secretary of state and were donors to the foundation have access to her. it doesn't have to do with la the foundation's work is. bits the access. >> give me an example. the crown prince of bahrain who already got the meeting through normal channels, who is probably the most important ally in the u.s.? >> there is a big ap story yesterday about 85 of the, half the donors -- >> what did they get? nothing. >> if it is not a problem, why are they shutting it down if she becomes president? >> i'll tell you why. because the press has decided

they don't like it. it never bothered them when bob dole was the majority leader and elizabeth dole was the red cross. it never bothered them and it didn't bother me, by the way, when president bush started the points of light. they have to have the victory. they're going to have the victory. people are going to die. >> what about the obama white house? >> what about him? >> the obama white house imposed limitations on the clinton foundation. >> what about it? >> they're not the press. if the express doing it, what about the white house? >> they can pose, they should impose whatever limitations. i am sick that as a human being, that i would say, you need to shut it down to satisfy a bunch of ravenous press that can't distinguish what's going. on i think i'm a sorry human being. i apologize to my children that i think that we should shut this down and let people die to satisfy some people in manhattan

and georgetown. >> so you look at the trump campaign. you look at three big figures around donald trump now. steve banning, from breitbart, roger ailes. three right wing media -- >> poobahs. what does that tell but the campaign? what conclusions can we draw about what its purpose is? >> the conspiracy, which i think makes some sense, is that they are setting up to have a news network. and i think it will probably be pay-per-view. in the short term, it says, there is actually a thought on the right that if the people actually get a message, a pure right wing message, that people are ready to rise up in revolt against the elites and the democrats and the whole thing.

we'll see if they're right in this election cycle. these guys, it has no mod rating effect. >> you know that roger ailes, you saw him the -- >> i said he was one of the three best political operatives in my lifetime. >> is he not someone to be, if you were running the clinton campaign which i know you're not. were you not worried about the fact someone put aside steve bannon and sean hannity for a snoemt are you not concerned about roger ailes and the pure campaign mechanics? >> i don't know about that. but the way they understand stuff. yes. he's very formidable. >> what about the debate prep? >> i think that she is going to do best. >> trump has never had a one-on-one debate. 16 people, that's entirely different. she is debated. president obama, any number of

times. she had the one-on-ones with bernie sanders. she does fine in debates. i am really, i shouldn't say this. you're supposed to tamper expectations down. i expect her to do great. >> she can clean his clock. she'll be great. >> there is been some possibility of donald trump doing stand-up in the debate. is there any truth to that? >> there is absolutely no truth. it would be stupid for me to do it. and i'll tell you why. in order to do this right, it takes about 100 hours of prep. you have to sit there and listen to every answer that donald trump gives. every comeback that he gives. and basically, the people that do this have to have a staff. there's no way that james carville will sit down and look at 100 hours of time of donald trump. it is not going to be -- >> resource management. who should play trump? who can play him? >> i'm partial to bob barnett.

he is an old friend of mine. he played bush in '92. >> again, any number of people. i don't know that are in politics now. it has to be somebody who sits and knows every answer over the question that he's ever given. the only way that you can do that is you have to have through all the tapes, all the questions. it can't be done any other way but unbelievable preparation. >> do you think the two will come back together where we used to have land slide elections sf. >> i think the republican party, i looked at 2008 and i said 40 more years. the what will happen in this election, i can tell you what will happen. people will say, this election didn't count. she really didn't win because she beat trump or the republicans.

she shouldn't appoint anybody to the supreme court. we need to wait to have a real election in 2020. i can tell you this is exactly what will happen. >> our many thanks to james carville. his new book is we're still right. they're still wrong. up next, we'll hear from voters along the i-4 corridor. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® is a once-daily, long-acting insulin that lasts even longer than 24 hours. i want to trim my a1c. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ tresiba® provides powerful a1c reduction. releases slow and steady. works like your body's insulin. when my schedule changes... i want something that delivers. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ i can take tresiba® any time of day. so if i miss or delay a dose, i take it when i remember, as long as there's at least 8 hours between doses. once in use, it lasts 8 weeks without refrigeration... twice as long as lantus®, which lasts 4 weeks. tresiba® is used to control high blood sugar in adults with diabetes.

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the city at the southern tip of the i-4 corridor in florida. a stretch of highway that runs through the middle of the sunshine state. it represents nearly 1.5 million voters with no clear party affiliation. to get a sense of how people there are viewing this presidential race, we asked griffin happen onto brave thor e heat. >> i'm driving the 132-mile stretch of highway from daytona beach to tampa. this interstate, the i-4, runs across central florida. beginning in vol asa county which voted for obama in 2008. then romney in 2012. the i-4 corridor. at exit 108, i came across a dog

park where i met matthew. >> it is more awkward than it ever has been as a liberal to talk. i don't want to vote in a way that enables the political divide to keep going wider and wider. >> so he says he is considering a third party vote. as an undergrad studying psychology, he says presidential candidates tend to have alarming character traits. >> as it happens, there is something called the dark triad. politicians tend to have overrepresented traits. one of the best case studies you would look at in terms trying to apply what you learn in a textbook, it is destructive and awful for everyone else. it is discouraging. sth probably one of the most important elections in our history. i think it is time that america comes together. unites together and starts putting americans first. the first time i ever ran for

office, i think it is time for me to be engaged again. and i want to serve my community and the next president will choose between three to five new justices. you may not like trump but i'll vote for him because he has a stronger platform for constitutional justice. who is the next president had define our country for next 30, 40 years. >> while i never saw any presidential billboards, tonya in orlando said she's been inundated with tv ads. >> there is a lot here. a lot. you start to tune it out. a lot of the same old stuff. a liar is a liar. >> recently, i was hearing about trump and how he was apologizing for the things he said of i don't know what specifically. but he was like, be i regret some of the stuff. wait. he regrets? i'm not going to take one simple sorry. it will take like a couple years for him to maybe gain back my

trust. >> that would be the first freedom that i gave you was freedom of your opinion, right? she right now is in favor of hillary. but i'm in favor of trump right now. >> at home we're always fighting. we'll see something on the news and i'll interrupt him and start yelling. my mom will join my side or sometime she'll end up going on his side. >> would i want more tact from donald trump? better choice of words? yes. >> i'm not leaning toward trump. i'll tell you that. it amazes me that he's made it this far. everybody is like, it's a joke. it is scary. it really is. >> you are sweet. >> i've been a special education teacher for 37 years. i've always been for the underdog. >> i told carolyn it has been hard for me to get most floridians to talk politics on camera. >> people are mum about it.

they don't bring it up because they don't want the controversy. and i think that has been, it's not a good thing. it needs to be a more open conversation about the events of our time and how we need on solve those problems. not, i'm this and i'm that and you can't talk me out of it. >> this is not a business. you can't run it as a company. mistake i do, it goes 50 feet. but a mistake from his side will take whole world. >> but just as a rain storm started, he told me he trusts i-4 corridor vote letters make the right decision in november. >> a lot of wise people here. i pray they take the right decision, what will be right in the long run. >> up next, we go to debate prep school with a sarah palin impressionist. the former governor of michigan.

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nuclear iran is one of our gravest threats. what would a mccain party do? >> we are most likely in agreement. they cannot be allowed to acquire nuclear weapons. period. we will fight for it. and there is only one man in this race who has really ever fought for you. and that's senator john mccain. >> that was julianne moore playing in the movie, game change. as a potential vice president preparing for her big debate. our next guest knows a thing about playing palin in debate

prep. she was the stand in for sarah palin during joe biden's prep for the 2008 vice presidential debate. thank you for joining us. tell us how you ended up playing sarah palin in that debate prep? >> i got a call saying would i do it? and i think they probably picked me because i was, a, not a washington insider. i was a governor, she was a governor. i think i was the only governor who had small children at home. or young children at home. so there were a lot of similarities in terms of our personal circumstances. they called and i accepted. and i heard you talking to james carville earlier. yeah, it requires a huge amount of prep. >> so the reason we're talking to you. there is a lot of speculation about who will play donald trump in the debate prep with hillary clinton. who had play hillary clinton in the debate prep with donald

trump. these are both large challenges. both of them are pretty famous. at least in one case, they have an outsized personality. talk about the prep? what did you do to try transform yourself into sarah palin? >> if you're going to play the person, you have to internalize them. you have to believe, you have to really become that character and believe in that character. even though in sarah palin's case, obviously, there is a lot of terrible stories leading up to that. i went in and i watched every single debate she had ever done. i watched all of her statements. i read everything about it that i possibly could. i know what persona she brought to this match with mccain so i was able to, once i got there, to try out some both lines of attack on joe biden as well as respond in the way i thought that sarah palin would respond. >> governor, one of the hurdles, it sounds like, for anybody who will play trump.

someone who is willing to sort of assault verbally or rhetorically, however you want to describe it, secretary clinton in the way that trump might on the debate stage. there's a lot of thinking that he will open up the cannon fodder, if you will, when they take debate stage. who is brave enough to do that to secretary clinton in debate prep? talk to us about playing pale and how much of a concern that was for you? >> well, first of all, the candidate that you are assisting as a stand-in, they're mature. they understand, they have to go through this. it is an pleasant experience. they know that the opposition appreciate the other side has is all potential game in a debate. we can have the conversation about whether it is good strategy for donald trump to do that. but certainly, hillary clinton has to be prepared for it. the person who stands in has got to be willing to go there. if they don't go there, they're

not doing their job. they have to get her used to this line of attack no matter what it is. they're going to come at her 12 different ways on issues that may seem wholly unfair. she has to get comfortable with the answer. comfortable enough with the answer that she can respond. that she can pivot to an attack on him. or come out with a zinger. and answer in a way that makes her above the lowness potentially of the attack. you have to practice it over and over again. it's not easy. >> i'm going to make you a of the casting director. who would be a good trump? >> i'm of the theory that trump is so odd as a candidate. you might want to bring in a couple different people. i like the idea of someone like mark cuban but i'm not sure, because he is an outsider and a business guy. if you bring in a traditional politician, you might not be thinking like an outsider

business guy. you have to have someone who is willing to put aside their life for a couple of weeks to do that. i'm not sure he could do that. i think they have people can don the mantle, don the whatever of donald trump. i only say that because i have glasses. i didn't wear a wig. you have to embody the persona. i like the idea of putting a few people in. there you don't want them coming out of the prep blabbing away. i love rendell. i love him. he just has to sign a nondisclosure agreement. >> can you just share with us, was there one awkward moment you can share from debate prep when you did it? >> i am not saying a word. but there were definitely awkward moments. because you want there to be awkward moments.

you want to go in a place that is uncomfortable. if you're doing it right, the people running the debate prep, there are people feeding you line that's they know will come across to make the candidate very uncomfortable. it is all for the greater good. you want to inoculate them against what they know is coming on. this issue. if i were on the other side looking at donald trump, you have to be careful about how harsh you'll come across, too. ultimately, the goal coming out of the debates is to have people like you. >> it sounds like a plum but also unenviable job. thank you for your time. while be right back. with great coverage it protects my personal belongings should they get damaged, stolen or destroyed. [doorbell] uh, excuse me. delivery. hey. lo mein, szechwan chicken, chopsticks,

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foolishly said. read why trump's big tax cuts aren't exactly swaying the nerds in silicon valley. will you be back tomorrow? >> i will! >> i say sayonara. >> you say -- >> namaste. clinton face time. let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in boston. zeroing in on the reports on the global foundation. he is hammering away at bill and hillary clinton, accusing them for pay for play. it comes after the associated press reported tuesday that among state department calendars they reviewed more than half the officials clinton met with as secretary of state had donated t