happening to the inner cities, look at what's happening to african americans and hispanics of this country where she talks all the time -- >> cracks in the wall. donald trump backtracking again on his immigration policy. now saying that mass deportations are on the table. >> so if you have committed a crime and you've been here for 15 years and family here, job here, will you be deported? >> we're going to see what happens once we strengthen up our border, but the there is a very good chance the answer could be yes, we're going to see what happens. senator john mccain's primary challenger, doctor no less playing the age card. >> john mccain is falling down on the job. he's gotten weak. he's gotten old. i do want to wish him a happy birthday. he's going to be 80 on monday. and i want to give him the best birthday present ever, the gift of retirement. and good day, i'm andrea mitchell in new york.

bigot, devisive, and detached at each other in a general election campaign that is getting nastier by the minute. this morning, clinton kept up the attacks on trump in the "morning joe" exclusive interview. >> from the start, he has built his campaign on prejudice and pa parano paranoia, and it's deeply disturbing that he is taking hate groups that lived in the dark regions of the internet, making them mainstream and reaching out and asking fair-minded americans to repudiate this kind of divisive demagoguery. >> joining me now is nbc's katy tur outside trump's tour and kasie hunt here with me. thank you so much katy, let's talk about donald trump going back against hillary clinton today. showing that in 2008, certainly

the clintons were criticized by african americans and jim clyburn where they felt being racial or using racial language or racial suggestions against barack obama, it was nothing like what we're experiencing now. he's put them altogether into one big package, his people in social media. >> reporter: yeah, he's doing that, he also -- >> and the kinds of kids that are called super predators, no conscien conscience, no empathy, we can talk about why they ended up that way. first we have to bring them to heel. >> you called out hillary clintofor super predator back in the '90s when she supported the bill, why did you call them out? >> it was a racist term and everybody knew it. >> no conscience. >> it's a well-thought out crime bill that is both smart and tough. >> no empathy. >> black youth super predators. please explain -- >> let her speak. >> it was a racist term and everybody knew it was a racist term.

>> so katy, this is sort of a retread of the '90s and also of '08, but does that even come close to what the clinton team is and she personally, is accusing donald trump of? >> reporter: the difference being donald trump's message that hillary clinton is using against him is links to white supremacist, his disavowal of david duke, ab man in a kkk costume saying he supported donald trump and why he believes donald trump supports him. that's all very recent, that's in the last few months. it's not something from 2008, it's not something from the '90s, so it isn't quite as strong as what the trump team is trying to do. what the trump team does have in their favor and what they believe will work for them, the general dislike there is for hillary clinton. the unfavorability she has.

the untrust worthiness issue that she is with her and the foundation and her campaign. so they're trying to undercut in any way that possibly can, but i can tell you that this campaign came out very quickly and came out very forcefully against this hillary clinton ad where she linked donald trump to white supremacist, it was the quickest response we've gotten from this campaign. in defense of him. but i will note one other thing, when hillary clinton gave her speech yesterday, what we have not heard since then is republican leadership coming out and defending donald trump. defending their nominee. spokesman from mitch mcconnell, spokesman for paul ryan both saying that their congressman did not watch the speech, which is very telling, you're having the relationship leadership refusing to defend their nominee when somebody is basically trying to -- either link him top racist or call him a racist. >> at the same time as katy is pointing out, there was a difference of degree here,

kasie, you were at the speech in nevada yesterday, she used donald trump's language in this campaign against him. it was a bill in particular as mike was saying on "morning joe," it sounded like an indictment, a political indictment, if you will, not a legal indictment. >> right, but as though they were reading off of a document that just had point a, point b, point c. sort of this calm tone throughout, very direct, and you know, i think she clearly is very comfortable on this territory. she clearly believes what she's laying out and there doesn't seem to be any need to escalate it in any way and tone or in any other way that just used those words on the paper. and i think being in the room as she read through those breitbart headlines, you could hear people kind of gasp. and i do think one, one thing that's been a little underestimated is simply the effect of pulling this into the public eye. i think, you know, two days ago, they previewed that she was -- two days before the speech, they

said, we're going to come out and talk about the alternative right. they gave everyone two days to figure out what that is, and to dive into what turns out to be a pretty dark world, and you know, that ultimately ended up overtaking this about the clinton foundation and introducing americans to something people were unfamiliar with. >> and just briefly, katy, i don't want to let you go without asking you, where do we stand today on immigration? donald trump's latest position, is it bringing back the whole question of deportation as he did last night with -- sorry. it was on cnn. anderson cooper. that seemed to be a reversal, 380 from what he said earlier or in days previous where he seemed to be changing his position. so soft or hard? >> reporter: yeah, somebody called it a 360 degree pivot earlier in the week, he was for deportations, on wednesday he said that he was going to find a path to legalization that would include paying back taxes, and

then last night, as you said, he told anderson kooper that he is probably going to be for deportation. they have to come out of the country before they come back in. undocumented immigrants. where does the campaign and donald trump stand right now on the immigration issue? that's the million dollar question. i'm not entirely sure where they stand. but trump has said he's going to have some sort of immigration policy speech within the next week which hopefully will clear things up. >> katy tur, thank you very much. and kasie hunt as well. donald trump ting to brush off the criticism from hillary clinton that his rhetoric has fueled white supremacist groups. >> it's the oldest play in the democratic playbook. when democratic policies fail, they are left with only this one tired argument: you're racist, you're racist, you're racist, they keep saying it, you're

racist. >> that monitors hate groups across the country. thanks for being with us. now maybe stream let them take over the republican party pointing to steve bannon, pointing to breitbart in particular in being his new campaign ceo. who, in your analysis, and the expert on this, who has the high ground if either of them do. let me say we're not partisan organization. that said, i don't think there's any question that donald trump has been essentially dog whistling the racist right from the very first day of his campaign. when he described mexican immigrants as rapists and drug dealers. you know, i just think it has

come up again and again and again in a variety of ways and that trump has really avoided calling out in any way some of the people who have supported him. of course you can't -- if some clansman says they like you, maybe that's not your fault, but the idea, for instance, as donald trump claimed that he had no idea who david duke was. it's simply false. ten years earlier, trump was describing david duke as a neo-nazi and a clansman which is what david duke really is. so i just think that, you know, whether donald trump is personally a racist or not, i don't know. i don't know what is in the man's head. what i do know is that he is playing a game of foot si with the extreme right and they are delighted. you know, there are all kinds of leaders, not only david duke, but the the jared taylors, richard spencer's of the world, the people who are the leaders of the alternative right who are just delighted who say and i

think reasonably that donald trump has opened up a political space for the kinds of conversations they want to have. and those conversations, of course, are about race. >> and is this a good conversation to be having in this campaign? is it gooded that hillary clinton for whatever political reasons, perhaps to reach out to suburban republican voters who are the swing voters, but the is it good for her to have gone there and put it out there? or is she just propagating a lot of this stuff, which is really in some regards is really pretty bad stuff. >> i mean, i think it is good for anyone in the public position to call out this kind of essentially hate mongering. you know, any person in public life in the sense has an obligation to say, it seems to me, that this kind ofhing is just beyond the pale. you know, and i think that, you know, much has come from the

trump campaign that is really just false. for instance, donald trump's retweeting of a holocaust denier statistics claiming that 80% of white people are murdered by black people. when precisely the opposite is true. something like 81% of whites are killed by other whites. it's a kind of ginning up, playing on some of the worst fractures and divisions in our society and it is bad for us sew i think that hillary clinton and every other responsible politician and leader out there ought to be speaking to these issues. they are important, they have the potential to divide us in very, very serious ways. we as a country are going through a major demographic transition in which whites will no longer be the majority, some 30 years from now, so these are issues we just have to grapple with and face head on.

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a federal judge in washington has given the state department a tough new deadline, september 13th, to release any benghazi-related e-mails that could be found in the latest batch of e-mails that the fbi found on that private server. not a good timetable politically for hillary clinton. 13 days before the first debate with donald trump. judicial watch, the conservative action group has been trying to get those e-mails since last november. joining me now is republican congressman mike pompeo from

kansas. thank you congressman, what, do you know, if anything -- >> thanks for having me on. >> are there the potential of e-mails that are related to benghazi or is this adjust what-if situation? >> well andrea, thanks for having me on today. you described that folks have been trying to get them for months. the benghazi has been trying to get access to every e-mail related to the deaths of four americans for a couple of years now, unsuccessfully because secretary clinton set up a situation to avoid this situation. where the public demanded access, we now know having the chance to read what the fbi provided to members of congress to read in the classified setting, not just deleted them, she used a sophisticated technique to make sure that no one ever had access to these. i'm glad they have now been recovered and i fully expect that we'll see work-related e-mails that the american people have every right no know and see. >> and have you started going through those yourself?

>> no, ma'am. we have not yet had access to the e-mails that are in this group of some 15,000, or 14,900 that have now been turned over to the state department. they have not turned them over to the benghazi committee or congress. >> congress now has the notes from the fbi interview, but not the e-mails yet. we've been told they were going to receive both. let me play for you what lindsey graham said on fox, joining the calls by donald trump for special prosecutor. >> i think mr. trump's got it right when he's calling for somebody outside the justice department to look into this matter. if you're waiting on this justice department to hold anybody in the obama/clinton world accountable, you'll die of old age, and that's so sad, but it's true. >> now, this is on the whole issue of the clinton foundation and allegations of special access for donors when secretary was secretary of state. that said, lawyers and other impartial writers are pointing

out that the special prosecutor act, the special council act doesn't exist anymore, it would have been the attorney general appointing and that the access so far at least according to to the state department and according to everything we have read, despite what the associated press wrote, we haven't seen the quid pro quo and there is as you know, a supreme court ruling as recently in the bob mcdonald case that says, unanimously, there has to be something done rather than just call a meeting. >> well, andrea, i tell you, you're identifying a standard that maybe some criminal standard, but we're in the middle of a presidential campaign with the american people aren't looking for someone who managed to just barely scrape by and not commit an act of criminal misconduct while she was the secretary of state. to the earlier question, you asked if we've seen the e-mails, we haven't seen the 5,000, we have had access to the classified information that was on secretary clinton's server, information she denied was there and she sent, she just lied about that.

there was classified information. also, i'll remind you, in that information, we saw, we saw exactly the same kind of special favoritism in those e-mail us as well. there's an extensive report about the relationship between secretary clinton and sydney blooming that will. how she was dealing all during that time in a way that was highly inappropriate. and i can't say much more about it, but suffice to say, this is the kind of special access that the american people are sicked and tired of. they've had it for seven years, decades with the clintons, and i'm confident that south america going to demand a change from the status quo in a few months. >> you're absolutely right. in a political context, this is legitimate debate, i'm just saying that a special prosecutor is a legal action and that's why i'm saying that the legal standard for criminal -- far criminal investigation has not been met here. according to most reports. there's no question that this is a legitimate debate to have, whether or not the highest standards of ethics have been followed.

anyway, thank you -- >> yes, and your point -- your point is right about the statute, it has expired. i think the attorney general has a responsibility to take a very close look at this clinton foundation and this activity and make the proper determination. i hope she'll do it properly. >> thank you, congressman, thank you very much. look forward to seeing you. meanwhile, in central italy, the aftershocks are hurting rescue efforts as workers tries find any remaining survivors nearly # 0 aftershocks have forced teams to halt operations at some point. and further damage roads and infrastructure. wednesday's 6.2 earthquake displaced thousands of people. it's officials telling nbc news, 267 people have been decided to have died in the quake. more than 400 more injured. and we'll be right back. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. with it, i earn unlimited 2% cash back on all of my purchasing. and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means

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chuck todd. >> i'm actually the only republican that can win in the general election. john mccain has fallen down on the job. he's gotten weak, he's gotten old. i want to wish hip a happy birthday, he's going to be 80 on monday. and i want to give him the best birthday present ever, the gift of retirement. >> that's a -- so you think he's too old to serve in the senate? >> you know, i think anybody whose been in washington for almost 40 years has been there too long. >> kelly o'donnell is following the 2016 impact on the down ballot races. so nice to wish him a happy birthday. >> well, chances are it will be a part of your campaign. what is striking about this from kelly ward who's a physician and state lawmaker in arizona, is that it's sort of a brazen hit on age. and of all of the things, all of the boundaries and walls that have fallen in this election season about things you can and cannot say as a candidate, she leaped over the one about age as

an issue. now that's certainly up for the voters to decide, and we have seen in other races in other years, where age could be a factor for a candidate. i spoke to john mccain about this over time, we've discussed it, and i raised the issue when we were first to report he was going to seek his sixth term. and i said for any voters who might have some pause about the fact that you are turning 80 by election day, monday is his birthday, he said, what i would say to them is just look at me, look at my schedule, look at my 18-hour days. watch what i do. and sort of with his sort of humorous side, you know he's got a dry sense of humor, he also always refers know his mother, roberta, who is 104, 105 years old at this point, still doing well as a sign that he's got a long way to go. kelly ward is of the trump camp in in this election, andrea. she's got a lot of the energy of those voters and that, of

course, is a difficult place for john mccain to be. if you look at the sweep of this election, so he is being challenged from his right, and then his expected november, should he prevail in the primary, a challenger on the democratic side would be congresswoman ann patrick at a year where there's a change for demographics, woman at the top of the ticket in the democratic party. he has squeezed in kind of a difficult place politically, and while he is polling far ahead of kelly ward on tuesday, there is still kind of a sense in the mccain world that they are fighting, fighting, fighting to make certain that the voters turn out and he would be well-positioned for the fall, andrea. >> and in other states, you've got some democratic candidates who ought to be performing better given the league that hillary clinton has in their states like katie in pennsylvania. only four points ahead in the latest poll over pat tumy. still ahead, but you know, really lagging behind clinton in ohio rob portman, way ahead,

eight points up over ted strickland. >> and these races, it's really interesting to see is there a countertrump effect. so in ohio as you point out, rob portman is doing well against former governor ted strickland running his own campaign in pennsylvania, pat toomey who always had a tough race. pennsylvania can be tough sister statewide republicans to win. with hillary clinton showing strength there, the fact that he's in the game is note to believe those who are planning the campaigns are looking at where the ultimate control of the senate will be. i'm also hearing from sources the one that worries republicans most is north carolina. which is a state where president obama did well, where he's good ground operation, where hillary clinton and her allies are spending a lot of money. state where richard burr, the incumbent should have an easy time is in a close race with debora ross who is his opponent. it's interesting how we see the effect of the candidates, are they coat tails, countereffects? these senate races are statewide

races, they have different dynamics, even if the candidates are asked day in, day out about what trump has said or about hillary clinton's e-mails. they have to fight their own battle. it's interesting to see where the demographics may be helping our hurting them, andrea. >> thanks to you kelly o'donnell on all those races and should also note that evan buy made a mistake that actually helped sink daik luger also in the state of indiana, the democratic candidate evan buy, not remembering his address, and that not exactly a great thing to do in a state where people wonder whether you've got to washington. and he of course does have a washington home, it was a long-time senator before deciding not to seek reelection, but now he's back in the race. be sure to stay tuned. craig melvin will interview kelli ward. next up, with the perception for hillary clinton and the clinton foundation. and still to come, the interview everyone's talking about, rachel mad doe joining me here, next. "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. h you are you?

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associated press methodology right now, but the questions about whether donors should come in and should have access and as ruth is pointing out in a column that was published yesterday, there are people who are donors, also people who have legitimate roles, and which one is the person? which hat are they wearing when they try to get an audience for the secretary of state? >> those are all good questions, and unless and until an e-mail pops up along the lines of the chris christie bridgegate, you know, time for some traffic problems in ft. lee, we haven't seen that kind of proof of quid pro quo in the case of the clinton foundation. and you know, as i said on hardball a couple of nights ago, people give money to foundations for all sorts of reasons. many of chp are not nefarious, all they want to do is be -- show their friends and prove to friends and colleagues the proximity to power, the

proximity to fame, the proximity to important people, in addition to doing good things and doing good works to help other people. so, you know, when secretary clinton said today on "morning joe" that it takes time to wind these things down. i think in a perfect world, if they could shut down the transfer the programs and the clinton foundation to other foundations right away. i bet they would, but it's not that simple. >> and ruth marcus, you've brought up one of the donors, daniel abraham, this is what he had to say about why he wanted that meeting rather quickly with secretary clinton. >> i believe that people give to the foundation because they believe in the work that the foundation does. it does an enormous amount of good work around the globe. they have saved millions of lives. they have given drugs and medicines to people all around

the world. i mean, you know, to claim anything but good to the clinton foundation is a crime against humanity. >> and he was also saying is that his work between israelis and palestinians is what brought him to the state department. there's no way to tell. >> i didn't quite hear the last thing that you said, but the abraham interview illustrates the sort of mixed motives here, not the mixed motives necessarily on the part of donors, we can't read their minds, he's given millions of dollars to the democratic party, to hillary clinton, and to the foundation. but the mixed motive on the part of secretary clinton, why is he taking this meeting, it all kind of rolls in together. that one i don't think probably had anything to do with his money to the clinton foundation, he just was an important person to her, both financially and substantively with or without

the money to the clinton foundation, but going back to something that jonathan said, everything i agree with everything that he said, but i think it leaves out one really important point, people give for different reasons and because it does good work. then when you have folks like doug band who are writing to people at the state department saying this guy is important to us, and this guy is a good friend, that leaves you open to the sort of situation that the clintons are facing now. and it's not a question of wrapping it up now, it's a question of having thought this through adequately several years ago. >> and in fact, just one of your points, ruth, in your column is that this is a continuous problem. it has not just started with this foundation. here is in a flashback friday, bill clinton in 1997 at the white house being asked about whether or not they were selling the lincoln bedroom to donors. >> i think it's a good thing when contributors care about the

country and have some particular area of expertise they want to contribute. but nobody buys a guaranteed result, and nor should they ever. they should get a respectful hearing and the presence to do what's right for the country. >> so it's, it's not a legal issue, it's a question of ethics and of appearance. >> right. they didn't buy guaranteed result, they bought a night that -- in the most historic bedroom in the land. and they got it because they were giving money to the clinton campaign. now, the clintons and their supporters say that they are held to a higher standard and things that they do are treated as, you know, high crimes that would be laughed off and sort of treated as business as usual by anybody else. that is possible that they are held to a higher standard or scrutinized more greatly, but i would argue that the response to that, the clinton response to that should be making sure that

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sincerist form of flattery, he was sounding like jeb bush or marco rubio. bush was pointing o thought trump's position on immigration thursday at least sounded a lot like his own. then of course, trump appeared on cnn last night with anderson cooper seeming to revert back to support for deportations. joining me now is msnbc contributor katie packard, former deputy campaign manager for mitt romney's presidential campaign. i'm not sure how to figure out where are donald trump is on immigration right now. what are do you think about the moves he's made the and whether or not he's moving to a place where you could find yourself more compatible at least with donald trump? >> well, i couldn't agree with governor bush more. i wasn't a bush supporter in the primary, but i can't help but think that if he were our nominee or marco rubio or john kasich that in light of hillary clinton's failings and her weaknesses with the american public, we would be dominating right now. donald trump's views on immigration seem to be very

focus-group tested over the last few months. i could have told him a year ago, we did a lot of research on this and knew that his position was a loser for general election voters. and he seems to lose sight of the fact that these are people. these aren't just statistics. and the more he is wishy washy on this issue, the more he loses not just people who are directly impacted by this immigration issue, but other voters as well who just can't seem to pin down where he stands? >> and sean spicer was on with my colleague stephanie lou earlier on msnbc and she asked him about trump's charge that hillary clinton is a bigot. i wanted to play this for you. >> do you think hillary clinton is a bigot? >> no, i mean, i think some of the policies that she's supported have not helped the african american, but i think anybody who es no me. i don't tend to use certain words. but again, i'm not -- so i don't -- that's not something i might personally say, no. >> what do you think about the way trump is handling these accusations and about hillary

clinton's accusations about the racial aspects of this campaign? >> well, without a doubt, hillary clinton is not at bigot. but the democrat party does bear a whole lot of responsibility for the failings with regard to the african american community. i grew up in the city of detroit, michigan, which has been dominated by democrat leadership my entire lifetime, and that's a community that has been failed by democrat leaders. but i do think that some of the things that were laid out yesterday in that speech are very, very danming and we haven't had republican leaders step up to defend donald trump says something about the kind of people that donald trump is sort of throwing in with and is sort of staking his candidacy on. and we do as a party have to denounce those things or we're never going to be a party that can win national elections. >> katie packard. i want to point out that in the more recent time there's been a

republican governor, of course governor snyder in michigan, and the city of detroit was put into a master shift or a bankruptcy situation where the local officials did not have control until, i guess more recently. >> not altogether right, but close. >> close enough. okay. we'll figure that one out. thank you very much, katie. and next up, rachel maddow joins know wrap up what was the interview of the week. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. hey diddle diddle, the cat and the fiddle, the cow jumped over the moon... then quickly fell back to earth landing on the roof of a dutch colonial. luckily geico recently helped the residents with homeowners insurance. they were able to get the roof repaired ke new. they later sold the cow because they had all become lacte intolerant. call geico and see how much you could save on homeowners insurance.

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rachel maddow's fascinating interview with donald trump's campaign manager, kellyanne conway was the most revealing of the new trump team's biggest challenge. >> he's asking for a is a new extreme vetting system which has previously been tried and ruled unconstitutional and banned it half a century ago. yeah. so that's a hard case -- i want to pivot on substance to happen too. but the substance -- >> four issues a week now.

she doesn't say anything. >> he has to make sense. he has to make sense. when he makes these policy pivots in order for them to be successful. >> well, it sounds like you disagree with the policy, and that's fine -- >> you can't have the act now. it's unconstitutional. >> but that's, that's my point too. people say this is ridiculous, that's unconstitutional, you cahave that, or that may work and i'd like to hear more about it. >> and rachel maddow joins me now. part of the problem is going this way and that way and the other way. on immigration, anderson cooper last night, i cannot figure it out. >> kellyanne conway is so good on tv. she's been doing this for decades. i had dan on a few days ago, that lady can talk the legs off a table. he's great for those sort of things. she's very eloquent, she's very artful in the way she does these things, but there are things he is proposing in terms of

policies that are internally contradictory that are unconstitutional, that make no sense, and the campaign can only sort of dance around those things for so long. i think on the immigration thing specifically, there may be a method to the madness. politically it's hard for any republican to run in a general election on what the republican party wants to be an acceptable immigration. that's hard in a general election. him being chaotic and incoherent on that story right now may actually be smart. because then you're hoping people just hear what they want to hear and that they don't compare your statements in different venues. >> and kellyanne conway clearly as a pollster and campaign manager has come to him, according to to the "new york times" reporting and said look, you're not going to win this race. you to have to change. and we have to establish some discipline. and she acknowledged to you that some of the things, like mississippi that were scheduled before she got there, they bought the hall, whatever -- >> and he held rallies this week in texas and then mississippi. at the same time that national

political director was bragging to the new york post they're doing a full scale ground game investment in new york state. like, that makes no sense. that makes absolute floi sense, that's like hillary clinton going all in in utah. oh wait, she actually -- >> same thing. >> exactly. >> yes, there are big republican pockets and long island may well be one of them, but they're not going to win new york state. >> they're going to lose by 20 points no matter what happens. there's some weird stuff. is kallyanne conway in charge, i don't know, she clearly has ideas about what the campaign needs to be doing. what's the division of labor between her and the other guy on the same day to also take a leadership role as the, quote, ceo of the campaign. i don't know what a campaign ceo is, but steve bannon has his own ideas. he was a central feature in the big speech. i had the impression that this speech could be a turning point, but it was one of those moments.

like the san diego foreign policy speech. this was a moment where she just put it out there went after did it as a prosecutor would with his own words. and breitbart and bannon being part of the campaign was partly what justified in her mind, you know, in their views, saying that donald trump has helped the sort of fringe groups come and take over. >> mainstream. yeah, i mean it's -- part of me want to even just ignore the political impact of the speech and just how this factors between them as candidates. i sort of feel like the most important politics of the speech is her substantively going after this mainstreaming of white supremacist into politics. whether or not it has a good political impact, it's important toing call it will out. and i think it's not an easy decision to do it. these groups, these white supremacist groups, they're delighted for all the attention. they're fundraising off of it.

they love they're getting talked about in mainstream politics, but one of the these very famous white supremacist guys, jerry taylor whose been around forever put out a snamt response to the clinton campaign clarifying. what is the at-right? we are a movement that rejects orthodoxy, our central concern is race, the race is differ in average levels of intelligence, white identity, race and iq are central positions of the at-right. and then you're got the guy who donald trump has put in charge of his campaign, bragging as recently as the rnc that what he created at his publication is in his words, the platform for the at-right. the at-right defines itself as white supremacist. and so, hillary clinton is giving them a lot of attention, but i do feel like it's trump who let that geneny out of the bottle by bringing those forces into the top of republican politics. and i just as an american, i feel like it's a big deal, regardless of thousand plays in this election. >> and the trump campaign coming back at her today with videos stitching together some of the

controversial things that really blew up on her and bill clinton about race back in south carolina in pennsylvania, you know, and also the predator, super predator comments from the '90s which have been racially controversial. >> sure. >> but to my mind when you talk about degree and, you know, the sort of qualitative difference between those things, which cost her, you know, certainly in south carolina and jim clyburn support in '08 and blew up big time and maybe cost her the nomination last time, that is not the same as mainstreaming white supremacist groups in terms of -- in one of the major republican -- >> it's -- >> political party of america. >> it's like whether we look at these things as candidates and whether there are things that you can be sort of nailed for and stuff that you can be pinned on and whether there's gaffes and stuff, or it's taking a publication where editors a the that publication, this week, are tweeting about white pride and

having pride in the white race and putting that in charge of your campaign. right, it's just a equal at a timively different thing. i've covered the far right as -- just an area of focus on my show whether it's the sort of violent anti-abortion radicals or white supremacists, ne-yo nazi groups and i've been interested in this for a long time. we've covered them for a long time, whether or not donald trump and hillary clinton are going to have a substantive or policy-based or persnickety fight about racial sensitivity, bringing what has been absolutely beyond the pale extremism into mainstream party politics is just a fundamentally different thing. it's sociologically different. and it has consequences i think in the long run beyond the campaign, whoever wins. i think it's worth at least pointing at and being explicit about. we've never seen it before. >> and your interview with kellyanne conway was significant, the washington post put it up there --

>> the transcript of this interview. well done. >> thank you, andrea, thank you, i appreciate it. >> great to see you. and of course tune in every night tonight and 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. and we'll be right back. with the right steps, 80% of recurrent ischemic strokes could be prevented. and i'm doing all i can to help prevent another one. a bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen.

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campaign. >> clinton's interview follows that point by point denunciation of trump's ties to white nationalism thursday trump once again calling clinton a bigot, a charge that the party's top communications official would not back during an interview right here on msnbc. >> do you think hillary clinton's a bigot? >> no, i mean, i think some of the policies that she supported have not helped the african american, but i think anybody who knows me, i just don't tend to use certain words. but again, i'm not -- so that's not something that i might personally say, no. >> kasie hunt, hallie jackson joining me here. here's the thing, kasie, it would seem that hillary clinton could have easily painted the entire party with trump's comments. but she didn't. she chose to just focus on donald trump. wh