new hampshire including education round table. but before he heads to the granite state, senator kaine joins the conversation right here on "morning joe". >> that's going to do it for us on this thursday. i'm betty nguyen alongside louis burgdorf, "morning joe" starts right now. mexico will work with us. i absolutely believe it. especially after meeting with their wonderful, wonderful president today, i really believe they want to solve this problem along with us and i'm sure they will. whered a qukt screening occurs. i'll ask the department of safe that has been brutalized by hillary clinton. brutalized. homeland security and the department of justice to begin a comprehensive review.

i call it extreme vetting, right? extreme vetting. i want extreme. it's going to be so tough. good morning. it's thursday, september 1st. september. where did it go? what just happened? >> tick tick. >> welcome to "morning joe." >> time to get ready for school, everybody. with us on set we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. >> wait, do that, again. >> we were switching to epic. >> legendary. nicolle wallace along with willie, joe and me and a lot to talk about. wow. >> what happened. you had in mexico he was trying to be a diplomatic and then the red meat. he was just churning it out in the crowd. >> somebody got into primary

mode. >> shooting out all over the place. >> he looked for a minute. i'll duck as you throw things at me. >> i gave him an a plus for the stage craft and i broke twitter. he stood next to a world leader and -- >> calm down. >> calm down. >> the mexican president. but, the question that i had. >> the bigger point is the stage craft. >> optics. >> it looks like the unga backdrop and he pulled off what 25 minutes of looking different than normal. but then that changed. >> we saw yesterday a vivid, vivid example of political contortionism. it was incredible. in the space of six hours you had two different people. just incredible. >> this is a problem,

politically, is in my first campaign i was way ahead. so, my opponent tried to paint me as this right wing rabid, christian conservative. which is a joke. everybody laughed. you made this joke. but i was the right wing ralph reid christian coalition candidate. they use that to scare everybody. and then they would alternately get old clips of where my band had played and said i was a scum bag rock musician. right. >> that's closer to the truth. >> that's closer to the truth. what did that do? it was mixed messages. not only did neither message hit, they worked, they effectively canceled each one out. so, trump yesterday he's diplomat and then he's red meat

populo populous. so at the end of the day, neither one has an impact. >> i thought yesterday was a microcosm of his campaign. he has a flash of maybe this guy looks like he could be president but a long enough history that i don't think many people bought that. he turned to the mexican president and said it is a great honor. i consider you a friend. he is speaking in diplomatic terms. the minute he landed back on united states soil. if there was any questioning about a softening, this was a primary speech from last year. he talked about a new special deportation task force. he wanted to leave no question that there is amnesty. no amnesty. if you come in this country illegally, we will find you and uproot you and remove you from the united states. >> there was a softening in the afternoon. >> something happened. >> something happened and had him change things. >> but his words, his words, not ours.

we're journalists and we just -- >> that's not funny. >> when you consider the day, though, the one issue that propelled his candidacy, the foundation of his candidacy. he walked away from it in mexico city. returned to it in phoenix, arizona. in the space of six hours. from 4:00 p.m. eastern until 10:30 p.m. eastern. i defy you to tell me what his immigration policy is. >> can i ask this question of anybody around the table. how do you have one issue that is your key issue, which is building the wall. >> which is stupidest thing i've ever heard. >> that that is in the punchline in your rally, right? and then you go to mexico and you claim you don't even bring it up to the mexican president. how does one do that? >> apparently it did come up. that is kind of a mess, too. >> he's saying they discussed it, but didn't discuss payment. >> okay.

let's actually hear from -- >> joe's right, it's in dispute. my understanding is that there was some issues that were prewired before this meeting and that was one of them. and that happens in meetings with leaders all the time. >> with people. don't say leaders. >> with people. the fact that that ended up in dispute before he was even wheels up suggests like a lot of things he does, it was not all buttoned down beforehand. i think this notion that he had all his leaders out and all his surrogates up talking about sau softening his position. that tame is what left me up watching the whole immigration. he made fools of every single person on this campaign who talked about how he was going to soften his position on immigration. >> let's take a look at this. in joint remarks after the meeting, donald trump said he and the mexican president did not discuss his promise to make mexico pay for the wall.

>> we didn't discuss that. we didn't discuss who pays for the wall. we didn't discuss. we did discuss the wall, we didn't discuss payment of the wall. that will be for a later date. this was a very preliminary meeting. an excellent meeting. >> why wouldn't you discuss that? that has been his punchline the entire campaign and you go down and you talk to the president of mexico. you get him right there. you're both sipping coffee. and you're looking at him and you're going, nice place. you don't say that. you say, hey, we're building a wall and you're going to pay for it. if that's the center of your campaign, how do you not get the job done when you're there? >> for anyone who doubted it because of what he did in mexico city he went to phoenix and said it ten times. 100% they'll pay for the wall. >> he was just there a couple hours earlier and he had the guy

in front of him across the table. you know what he was doing. >> can you guys just stop. >> no, he choked. i can't stand people who choke under pressure. >> neaths that we covered and this is a joke. we're trying to make this into something it's not. can we please just get it over with. i'm going to continue. this stupidity. this ridiculous session of fringe alt-right republican candidate had with the president of mexico about a wall that is never going to happen. please, let's not pretend this is some sort of foreign policy discussion. this is stupidity. >> he couldn't even get it right. he couldn't get it right. >> he couldn't even get this right. mexican president face pena nieto that mexico fund the wall. talking to social media he wrote at the beginning of the

conversation with donald trump, i made it clear that mexico will not pay for the wall. and from there, the conversation that addressed other issues and developed in a respectful manner. mexico secretary foreign affairs also weighed in saying, "in meeting, the president was strong in that mexico does not pay for the wall. position not negotiable." the meeting was the first part of the discussion and it was not a negotiation and that would have been inappropriate. it is unsurprising that they hold two different views on this issue and we look forward to continuing the conversation. >> so, after all of that, after the trip to mexico, this is what donald trump said after he was diplomatic in mexico. this is just sort of a stem winder that he delivered last night almost trying to prove that the softening that they had experienced earlier in the afternoon. and that they had seen in vivid display in mexico.

from amnesty don was no longer the case. >> just flip it. >> he had toughened up in phoenix. >> number one, are you ready? are you ready? we will build a great wall along the southern border. and mexico will pay for the wall. 100%. they don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall. on day one, we will begin working on a physical, tall, powerful, beautiful, southern border wall. we will use the best technology,

including above and below ground sensors that's the tunnels. remember that, above and below. towers. aerial surveillance and manpower to supplement the wall find and dislocate tunnels and keep out criminal cartels and mexico, you know that, will work with us. i really believe it. we are going to triple the number of i.c.e. deportation officers. within i.c.e., i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice, just like hillary clinton has evaded justice. ookay.

maybe they'll be able to deport her. >> okay, so, kind of confused because you asked donald trump if he was going to have a deportation task force back in november. and he goes, yeah. yeah. i'll have a deportation task force. and the past couple weeks they have been denying that they were going to have any deportation task force. all of them. all of the surrogates have been denying that they will have a deportation task force. last night donald said, they're going to have a special new and improved deportation task force. it's so confusing for young minds such as ours. >> i'll tell you what. >> what? >> i think there's not much to talk about because i think that it's impossible to talk and have a conversation about nothing. i mean, it really is. he brings nothing to the table.

he says one thing, he says another. he is absolutely, there's nothing there in this candidate. but it makes for some great art. you got a great song out of it. great, i love it. >> what are you talking about? your song, "amnesty don." >> i explained on the facebook page willie and i were in amsterdam. >> for the day. >> for the day. >> because at this point you have to laugh. i'm going to go to javier. >> so good. we'll play a little. >> we ran inthis young man and we got a tape yesterday. >> let's bring in the president and the ceo of the united states hispanic chamber of commerce. javier, is there a legitimate conversation to have? >> what was your take from yesterday? >> you know, it makes for great television, but i agree with mika. there is nothing there. this man began his campaign on this issue.

collaborated with the george w. bush institute on a study found that net migration between mexico and america was basically 20,000 people and a nation of this size, that's practically zero. >> so, javier, let me ask you this question. >> going to mexico than the other way around. >> what the chamber position. have you all figured out and i'm being dead serious here what exactly he said yesterday. the totality of yesterday. i'm not even trying to be funny. what is his position? because he seems to be trying to have it all. throws the red meat out while he suggests that perhaps he's not going to deport families that have been here for ten years. what did you all take out of yesterday's events and what exactly is donald trump's position because "the times" and other publications can't quite figure it out. >> therein lies the quandary that he has painted himself into this box. he had to come back out and really kind of fire up his base.

but the reality of it is, he hasn't done anything to help himself in terms of growing the number. i think he's done for with the hispanic community. he's never going to see the white house if he doesn't get a significant portion of the hispanic vote. i don't know if you guys speak spanish but i want you to remember this one word. it means clown. you know, this guy is a complete clown. i'm really sad for the american people and for the republican party. they had an opportunity to put john kasich, you know, front and center. instead, they ended up with -- it's a complete waste of time. we need to get on with it already. the nation has other things to worry about. immigration reform is a monster that he created so he could sleigh it at the end of the day. it's not going to change things for this nation as we move forward here. we have to deal with a broken immigration system, obviously. but it has to be done in a strategic fashion that makes sense on a going forward basis

to fire up people and get this kind of hate filled, you know, this movement of hatred. it doesn't solve anything. >> willie geist. we all saw the numbers after the 2012 election and republican leadership and their post-mortem report knew exactly what they had to do in 2016 which was boost their numbers among latinos. it is flatlined, at best. anything donald trump can do in the next two months given all he said for 14 months that could change the tide? >> no, absolutely not. after last night, that was an extra nail in the coffin. he's done for. for the reality of it is there was great work done by the likes of john mccain and jeff blake and john cornyn and others that are compassionate conservatives that were trying to broaden the tent and bring a broader consistency, constituency into the republican party. donald trump has laid all of that.

there is no going back. >> that is so sad. >> it is. >> so true. i thank you so much for being on the show. >> thank you. >> word of the day. >> i can say that. it really does stick. trump's tough tone took at least some of his supporters by surprise. overnight, politico reported that several of his latino surrogates are now reconsidering their support. a houston-based immigration attorney tells politico he has resigned from trump's advisory council. "i was a strong supporter of donald trump when i believe he was going to address the problem. what i heard today was not realistic and not compassionate." and alfonso, a prominent latino conservative who organized a letter of support signed by himself and others also tweeted. this is how i feel. disappointed and misled. but trump supporter, nope, move

up. move up. nope. nope. just don't even. move up the prompter. i don't want to read that. >> if you want really documented evidence of the fact that donald trump does live in a parallel universe, there was an element in his speech last night. maybe we can find it was towards the end when he talked about the first hour of his presidency. what he would do in the first hour of his presidency that he would remove everyone here who is here in this country illegally. within the first hour of this presidency. >> start building the wall at the same time. >> if we can find that clip and you listen to that and say he's not dealing in reality here. >> what is remarkable. the other thing in the news today is that he is, the polls have tightened. nationally and in some of the swing states and he does this. this will win him not one vote. this speech last night got him the 40% of the republicans that

are already with him. this morning the polls have tightened a little bit nationally and in wisconsin. this speech moves him backwards. so, when he loses and i think he is set up to lose, it will be because he can never sort of expand beyond the 40% of the republicans that he got to vote for him and support him enthusiastical enthusiastically. what he did yesterday was display an ability, 23 minutes of it in mexico city to possibly perhaps maybe talk to somebody other than the 40%. and he came back and sort of whip lashed back to his instinct, which is to thrill the 40%. >> he plays to the 40%, 41%, 42%. and he, and then he decides he's going to expand his base. he's done it on immigration and all these different issues. he goes out and then he gets criticized and then immediately he doesn't have the courage to stay up and then immediately

runs back in. >> if i could just say alex wanted me to read a story and i will paraphrase it without using the name. that is a person who basically runs a business for herself fueled on hate speech and hurting people. a huge supporter of donald trump. loved the speech. it says it all. but a great leader in the media once mentioned to us, actually, not ever mentioned this person's name because people like that have no place. no place in the main stream conversation. >> so, he's got -- >> they are hurting america. >> he's got his hard core 40% supporting him. >> and people like that. >> but he's offended. again, he's offended. some of the hispanic supporters. the few that stick their neck out for him. and the college educated voters that have been staying away from him. >> i mean, that performance last night in phoenix. i mean, you saw a man who was absolutely willing to be captured and fueled by an audience in a hall.

not the country. the audience in a hall. >> in arizona. >> right. >> that's all he ever sees. >> that was a speech to me from august of 2015 not from august 2016. he's talking and trying to win a republican primary. that was the kind of speech he's giving last year. no growth in one year. >> he heard your song and got mad because he's that small a person he would actually respond. >> you mentioned his surrogates have been going out and saying no deportation force. actually what people like kellyanne conway was saying he hasn't brought that up since october. they had no idea what he was going to say on wednesday night. he wrote that speech. those were his words and he delivered it last night. and nobody until the day of had any idea. >> i don't think he knew what he was going to say when he left mexico. >> i really think he responded to how he felt at the moment. which, i guess, he was tweaked into it. which is a wonderful way to

conduct foreign policy. >> the reporting in "the post" is that the jeff sessions policy adviser who now works for trump had to work on that speech for a while. so, i think people in the campaign knew what he was going to say. >> a handful of people. >> having been a spokesperson what is startling to me, he has made fools of his spokespeople. kellyanne conway has been saying since two sundays ago there will be a softening in his position. she is viewed as a rational actor inside the trump campaign and he has made a fool of her this morning. >> she's pretty good at what she does, but he has made a complete fool of her. still ahead on "morning joe" the democrat's vice presidential nominee tim kaine joins us for a live interview. that is going to be exciting. antonio villa regosa and congressman john lewis is on the set. first, here is bill karins with a check of tropical weather about to make landfall.

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tap the brakes, so i'm going to. >> hillary clinton the american legion convention in cincinnati and looked to make the case for american saepgz. >> it's a term in the past, typically embraced by republicans and she blasted donald trump for once calling the concept insulting. >> united states is an exceptional nation. i believe we are still lincoln's last, best hope of earth. we're still reagans shining city on a hill. we're still robert kennedy's great, unselfish, compassionate country. my opponent in this race has said very clearly that he thinks

american exceptionalism is insulting to the rest of the world. in fact, when vladimir putin, of all people, criticized american exceptionalism my opponent agreed with him saying and i quote, "if you're in russia you don't want to hear that america is exceptional." >> she was reaching out to republicans there, but the latest round of polls. i have to say surprises even me how far she has dropped. >> down six in wisconsin. >> i'm the one that has always said to angry democrats. the e-mail stuff and the foundation stuff matters, but i'm even surprised. willie, she's dropped like six points in wisconsin. >> six in wisconsin. >> she's dropping. trump's up, she's down. you see it in the national polls and you see it in wisconsin.

this latest round. i knew it was having an impact, but the latest round really seems to have a big impact on her. especially favorables. "washington post" 59% unfavorable and 69% for trump. >> look at that poll right there. hillary clinton 41% and donald trump was at 39%. they're statistically tied. that's a national poll. it's not a national referendum. wisconsin and michigan had kind of been written off by a lot of people for donald trump. hillary 41 and donald trump 48. >> ten-point swing. she's down by six. donald trump up four. which we said there is going to be a national tightening. he had a horrible run after the republican convention. so, you could assume there is going to be a national tightening. i think what a lot of people didn't expect is a collapse of six points by hillary clinton. what did they not already know? well, obviously, that has to be directly tied to the foundation. >> and the last time that her

numbers swung dramatically was immediately following the comey press conference. when there are things in the news that people worry about our worries her numbers take a hit. not just nationally, but in the polls. >> i think it was a huge mistake to say the least to think that the e-mails wouldn't make a big difference. people wouldn't get it, they wouldn't care. i think they do. i get asked about it a lot. it's something when she says it was a mistake, it just rings so hollow. it's not a mistake. it was a thoughtful move. >> and the problem, the problem is, though, the news comes every day. there is a new revelation every day about her e-mails. there was another revelation yesterday about her e-mails. after the convention, she was up 10, 11, 12, 13 points in pennsylvania. now, there's a new franklin

marshal poll out of pennsylvania just crossing the wire at 6:30. she's up by seven. still comfortable. >> she was up six two weeks ago. every time that there is a crush of a news cycle, day's long news cycle about her e-mails or about her conversation to the fbi, she takes a hit. >> here's a big part of her problem. i'll put you in the way back machine right now. in february, 1992, i'm standing next to legendary political reporter at the bar in bedford, new hampshire. bill clinton is running for president. jack knows both clintons quite well. he said then and stand in the minds of a lot of people, they are both trimmers. they trim the truth and it's still here today. >> that's exactly why you hear people like javier in our last segment, what an opportunity republicans have or had in 2016

with such a vulnerable candidate in hillary clinton and they put up donald trump. >> i just wonder, i just wonder if her getting in front of the press for a press conference, if they could figure out how to do that to turn this around. she hasn't done it it in ages. >> we asked. we were all here. >> and i just wonder if her being out there answering all the questions -- >> so these are the questions she gets, though. how did you not know there were more e-mails? how did we know there aren't more e-mails that have something in it? how could you say that is just a mistake? what is the answer? what is the answer that satisfies? >> i made a mistake. and i made a terrible mistake and if i had a chance to do it, again, i wouldn't do it. you know what, i was being too cautious. i was being too careful. i was too afraid that republicans would use my words the way they used my words for the past 30 years. >> that's what she had to say,

though. >> i was in a defensive and i shouldn't have been. i made a mistake. ask any question about the e-mail and give that answer. what if any more e-mails come out? i don't know, but if they do, i made a mistake. none of us are perfect. i would think if this continues and her disapproval now at 60%. if this continues, at some point, she may have to go out and just do that and say, here i am. >> do it over and over again. >> until we're done with it. >> i need to change her narrative. if she wants to. and it's not clear that she wants to. they may view this as another dip from which she could recover when the e-mail stories are out in the news, again. this is the question we put to robby. why not put her out there to answer questions and joe biden

style until there are no more questions to be asked. >> so, if this continues to remain a tight race and her numbers continue to go in the direction they're going, she's going to have to do that. i understand her logic before when she was up by four, five, six, seven, eight points. no need to do that. >> i think there's a problem, also, because a couple of times when she was doing questions about these e-mails and national security and the different levels of questions within it. she seemed to be referring to very specific notes. and, you know, so, there's, obviously, her hand are tied and i sympathize with that. but the bottom line is, this was a bad move. it wasn't a mistake. it was a move to protect someone from something or something that was happening. whether it was from republican attacks or trying to protect the foundation from being able to crisscross. something was going on with that and people know that. now, does it compare to the opponent who doesn't even have a sense of what policy he has on

anything? no, it doesn't. so, i think she's got to find a way to open up about this emotionally, as well as intellectually. because it doesn't, nothing is ringing true. and it's hurting. >> people close to her say that bill clinton was a natural born politician, but she's naturally born litigator. she thinks like a lawyer. she is a lawyer. and she thinks like a litigator and, so, that's why she reads notes. that's why she doesn't want to go out there and say i feel your pain. >> she was secretary of state. >> oh, well, anyway. general michael hayden joins the discussion straight ahead. "morning joe" back in a moment. hmmmmmm..... hmmmmm... [ "dreams" by beck ]

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two in command. al adnani. following the terror group announcement of his death, airstrikes were targeting him, but now russia is claiming credit. a claim one u.s. defense official calls "a joke." joining us now from washington, former director of the cia and nsa and now a principle at the chertoff group retired general michael hayden. good to have you back on the show. >> good morning, mika. >> general, what is the impact of continuing to kill number two and isis. we used to take out the number threes in al qaeda and i suppose over time that did have an impact on their operations. is this something we should cheer or is he just a replaceable part and we're going to be talking about the next number two we killed six months from now? >> no, no, joe. it's genuinely good news. first of all, out of a simple

sense of justice. this guy was the spokesman and the propagandas and he made all those videos and controlled external operations. that's good news. but you make a good point. this is trestrategically effect only over time. you need to think about it more as erosion instead of an earthquake. an important guy. this is significant erosion. it's good news. >> looking back over the last decade or so, we would, and people in the cia would joke to me that the most dangerous job in the world is being al qaeda's number three. do you, do you look back with the ability of hindsight to see how taking out all those number three, all those operation chiefs for al qaeda caused erosion and really did impact that organization over time? >> it did, joe. you don't have to believe me. our governments actually released some letters from bin

laden in 2011. his talking to senior lieut lieutenants and for one of a better word, they were terrorized by american drone strikes along the afghan/pakistan border. it really did affect their operations and their ability to move and communicate and, frankly, it took their attention away from killing us and put it on trying to preserve their own lives. so, we see the same kind of thing i believe working in syria. but, joe, there is one caveat here. isis w-- i'm sorry, al qaeda wa hiarchical. they crowd source their violence. they don't direct it. so, the immediate effects of strikes like this, it's probably les dramatic and it's going to take a longer time. but, joe, it's really important. they recruit people because they look successful. and the more you kill senior leadership, the more you take their jihadistmojo away from

them. >> let me ask you about barack obama. i have been very critical of his foreign affair in many areas, but how is he doing on the war on terror in this specific area? has he carried that battle to the jihadists away from the battlefield effectively with these sort of drone strikes? >> i think he has. joe, i'm on record saying the most amazing thing between the 43rd and the 44th president isn't change. it's continuity and particularly continuity when it comes to targeting killing. all that said, joe, despite good news we had in the last 36 hou s s about killing this particular jihadists. other things happening that are really bad news. our allies the turks making news on and that's a by-product of

our going light and not being more deeply involved in the situation in syria. >> mike? >> general, the situation in syria. the united states and the russians. is there any, any prospect that we could form a closer union, not an alliance. a closer union with the russians within syria, give on the problems we have with turkey and everything like that. is there any potential there? >> mike, i'm really skeptical. i can't rule out immediate tactical cooperation for mutual advantage. but fundamentally, mike, they're there to prop up the assad regime. as long as the assad regime is in existence, we're going to feed sunni extremism. we can't get out of this as long as assadism continues to claim rule over all of what we used to call syria. >> can you paint a picture of syria ten years from now?

>> yeah, first of all as a unitary state it's already gone, mike. the one one might hope for is separated ethically, but syria is such a hodgepodge the populations are so integrated, that is going to be really, really hard to do. this is, as richard haas, one of your frequent dwguest points out -- >> you say a lot of these problems come from the fact that we're not more deeply involved. what would that look like to you to be more involved? if we go back in history the thick things on the red line and all the rhetoric. where we are september 1st, 2016. what would america being more deeply involved look like? >> i think we passed up opportunities in the past

several years, which actually would have been pretty hard, too, to do some things. you mention the red line. i get that. a no-fly zone would have helped. a safe zone in syria would have helped. but, frankly, willie, with the russians now on scene with their sole purpose of propping up assad, all of that is really, really hard to do now. but at the microlevel, the turks went in to northern syria. they wanted to go in with embedded american special operation forces. i think that might have controlled somewhat turkish behavior. our administration admired the problems so long rather than deciding that the turks decided to go ahead and go alone and we're seeing the results of that. >> so a no-fly zone and maybe more special forces. >> i would go for a no-fly zone. secretary clinton suggested it even at this late date even though it's immensely complicated with the russian air force now flying in that air

space. a lot of opportunities, willie. >> these are the real issues pertaining to foreign policy that we need to discuss. general michael hayden, thank you for doing so. >> thank you, general, as always. great to see you. hillary clinton's running mate senator tim kaine joins us live. plus, reaction to the republican nominee's so-called immigration speech from both sides of the border. we'll talk to the former u.s. ambas deer to mexico tony garza and hallie jackson is in phoenix on the heels of last night's speech. "morning joe" is coming right back. teady leadership. donald trump: "knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously..."vo: clear thinking... donald trump: "i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me." vo: and calm judgment. donald trump: "and you can tell them to go fu_k themselves." vo: because all it takes is one wrong move. donald trump audio only: "i would bomb the sh_t out of them." vo: just one.

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>> we didn't discuss that. we didn't discuss who pays for the wall. we did discuss the wall, we didn't discuss payment of the wall. that will be for a later date. this was a very preliminary meeting. i think it was an excellent meeting. number one. are you ready? are you ready? we will build a great wall along the southern border.

and mexico will pay for the wall. 100%. they don't know it yet, but they're going to pay for the wall. welcome back to "morning joe." >> you know why they don't know it? >> why? >> because he had them there to tell them they were going to pay for it. >> right. >> but -- he chickened out. >> what? >> he didn't bring it up. he said he didn't bring it up. the mexican president said he brought it up. >> guy goes in and puts it on the table. >> they don't know it yet. if you have a chance to tell the president of mexico he's going to pay for the wall or a bunch of dudes in razorback t-shirts and diamondback t-shirts and cardinal t-shirts, you tell the guys in the arizona cardinal t-shirts. >> but don't -- >> that will have more of an impact in telling the president

of mexico he's paying for the wall. right? >> don't they have tvs? >> he doesn't think they do. >> he was working on a book about the mexico city trip and it is called the art of disappearing. >> it is thursday, september 1st. here we are. this is your republican nominee, ladies and gentlemen. still with us, we have msnbc mike barnicle. you guys are good now. former communications director for george w. bush, nicolle wallace. >> would you like to -- >> i'm good. >> and we can't use those. >> probably not on the family friendly network. >> joining the conversation in los angeles, founding president and ceo of latino and msnbc contributor, theresa. good to have you onboard this morning. >> good morning, mika. >> let's take a look at what happened here. >> there was, he softened. softened a bit. >> no. well, yes, sort of.

after taking -- >> impact. >> after taking a softer tone with the president of mexico on the border wall and acknowledging that crime flows both ways across the border, here's what donald trump said to a fired up crowd in phoenix, arizona. >> anyone who tells you that the core issue is the needs of those living here illegally has simply spent too much time in washington. there is only one core issue in the immigration debate. and that issue is the well being of the american people. we are going to triple the number of i.c.e. deportation offices. within i.c.e., i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal,

illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice, just like hillary clinton has evaded justice, okay. maybe they'll be able to deport her. you cannot obtain legal status or become a citizen of the united states by illegally entering our country. can't do it. this declaration alone will help stop the crisis of illegal crossings and illegal overstays very importantly. people will know that you can't just smuggle in, hunker down and wait to be legalized. not going to work that way. those days are over. >> trump's tough tone took at least some of his supporters by surprise. overnight, politico reported

that several of his surrogates are considering his support. an immigration attorney tell politico he has resigned. "i was a strong supporter of donald trump when i believed he was going to address the immigration problem realistically and compassionately. what i heard today was not realistic and not compassionate." and alfonso, a prominent latino conservative who organized a letter of support signed by himself and others also tweeted. this is how i feel. disappointed and misled. so, i guess the question to you, maria, is what -- where are hispanic voters left to go after hearing donald trump even in the last 24 hours flip and flop on these issues? >> i don't think most latinos would have been paying attention from where he started. our surprise that he is doubling down. he's doubling down in the show

me your paper state in arizona. the fact that he is talking about -- i'm going to read a couple of the things he mentioned. he said we're going to do extreme vetting and a deportation task force and we're going to do an idelogic of individuals. that should have every american on edge because these are old world tactic that are ralsy profilinge ing ing a whole comm. officers will tell who is undocumented and who isn't. the only way he can do is by rals racially profiling someone by t -- he's talking about a certain group of americans. american latinos we got it from the moment, ousted an american journalist. i know the majority of americans hear it, as well. >> you are the president and ceo, what is the advice you're

giving to people who are part of your organization who follow you and who are looking for guidance? >> more than anything, this has to be a landslide election. we keep treating donald trump as if he is a typical presidential candidate where we are policy nuances. we are not. this has to be a landslide election. the fact that you have over 100 republican elected officials saying he is not my guy, he is not my brand says something. the fact that you have over 200 men and women in uniform general saying he is not something, he is not someone who is stable to be leading america is, again, telling us that we are not dealing with a typical candidate, but someone who is basically preying on the fears of a demographic that is changing in this country and, instead of providing leadership and real solutions, he's providing them nonsense. last night's immigration speech was not an immigration speech. it was selling the american people a bill of goods. imagine, mika, the fact that you

cannot physically deport 11 million people in this country and at the same time when he says he wants to triple the homeland security, there's 23,000 border patrol agents as we speak. tripling that is close to 100,000 people that the federal government can simply not afford. he's talking about wanting to, at the same time, minimize, and at the same time he wants to exploit it at the same time. it doesn't make any sense. >> his word "softening the policy." what exactly is donald trump's immigration policy? we know what we heard through the early months of this year. last night he told us. he didn't tell us, he reminded us what it is. no amnesty and a deportation force. a new deportation force tripling the number of i.c.e. agents. the policy is mass deportation. he could not have been more clear last night. now, voters have to take that and go with it. now, the clinton campaign and the nominee herself are pushing

back hard against trump's visit to mexico and on his immigration plan. clinton latino vote director in his darkest speech yet, donald trump doubled down on his an atf immigrant rhetoric and pitting people against each other and demonizing immigrants. adding he showed us very clearly what is at stake in this election by painting a pick of his idea of america. one in which immigrants are not welcomed and one in which innocent families are torn apart. "donald trump has made his outlandish policy of forcing mexico to pay for his giant wall the centerpiece of his campaign. but at the first opportunity to make good on his offensive campaign promises, trump choked. what we saw from a man who claims to be the ultimate dealmaker is that he doesn't have the courage to advocate for his campaign promises when he's not in front of a friendly crowd." and here's the candidate herself during a rally yesterday in cincinnati. >> you don't build a coalition by insulting our friends or

acting like a loose canon. you do it by putting in the slow, hard work of building relationships. getting countries working together was my job every day as your secretary of state. it's more than a photo-op. it takes consistency and reliability. actually, it's just like building personal relationships. people have to get to know that they can count on you. that you won't say one thing one day and something totally different the next. and it certainly takes more than trying to make up for a year of insults and insinuations by dropping in on our neighbors for a few hours and then flying home, again. that is not how it works. >> secretary clinton also posted a personal tweet saying, "trump just failed his first foreign

policy test. diplomacy isn't as easy as it looks." trump tweeted this. hillary clinton didn't go to louisiana and she didn't go to mexico. she doesn't have the drive or stamina to make america great again. all caps, exclamation point. >> she doesn't have the driver or stamina to make america great, again. >> nicolle. >> yes, willie. >> what happened yesterday? we saw two different dawned trumps in two different places. >> we both called him a stageman. >> i don't think willie called him a stageman. >> i gave him points for stage -- >> we started calling him the abraham lincoln of our time. we take responsibility for that. >> he had 23 minutes. so, i think we also, you know, what are they doing? he's way behind in the kind

of -- he hasn't consolidated the republican party yet. he's trying to bring along reluctant republicans. i think he's getting about 60% to 70% of republicans. they're scared of him. so, seeing him in mexico might have made some of those reluctant republicans less scared. he stood next to a world leader and will always be a mystery to me why the mexican government let that happen. but they did. but, if he had just gone home after the mexico trip and gone back to trump tower, phone died and he'd gone to bed, i think we would have been having a different conversation today. you would have had to acknowledge he would have had a halfway decent day. >> but his problem is, nicole, everybody is trying to put psychiatric abnormalities upon him. we don't know about him, like what ailes him, but his campaign has always been schizophrenic. where in the morning, he's good donald. unless he's tweeting --

>> it is on a curve. he wasn't that good. >> unless he's tweeting about cable news hosts, usually in the morning he's good. he'll deliver a speech, he'll deliver a statement and campaign and family members will say now if he can just leave it. if he could just go home. >> you always have to give him 18 hours. >> the bar is so low. >> if he had just gone to mexico, had the press conference, put a statement out, gone home. then all night people would have been talking about that and the clinton campaign would be nervous. because they would say, he looked statesman like there. >> this is not about winning over democratic women who are uncomfortable with hillary clinton. that is what you should be doing if you're the republican nominee. that's not what you're doing. >> a conservative columnist who said after mexico it was a grand slam. >> it was a potential for a disaster. but tromp came out of the

meeting looking like a potential president of the united states. i am talking about what republicans said about the meeting. republicans are the people that trump has not consolidated. so hillary clinton is fighting on very favorable terrain. she is now trying to bring over republicans to her cause because trump, i think, has 60% to 70% of republicans behind him. romney had 96% of republicans. but, you know, he undid any progress. he may have potentially been able to make by giving that speech last night, which slammed him right back into the tiny corner he's painted himself in with 30%, 40% of the republican base. >> you would think that everyone learned by now, though, one speech does not change the candidate and there's no pivot. there's not going to be a pivot. i'll say it, again, there's no pivot. he could have a moment the way he looked in mexico for a minute and then he comes back. >> he hired steve bannon. not like he's going to turn to the head of breitbart. >> nbc news correspondent hallie

jackson is there. what was it like in the room? >> gangbusters, frankly, guys. the people in that room. it was like a rally, right? they were cheering and applauding and engaged in donald trump's speech. you know, he started off his speech by saying, i'm not giving you a rally speech. i'll dive into policy here. kind of warning people this will not be the traditional stump speech we often hear from trump. but given he threw so much r, t issue is as nicolle has been talking about. he does not need to play to the supporters. he needs to play to a broader audience and the question is how that is going to be received. we are seeing reaction from some of trump's own surrogates on these issues that are important to the hispanic community. saying he felt disappointed and misled by the speech. obviously, hillary clinton going after him. the question is going to be today, what do republican leaders say about this speech? this was not the speech that i

think, you know, paul ryan or riaz privas would have rin back in 2012. this was vintage trump. a speech he may have given during the primaries. but in that room over in phoenix, it played well. >> hallie jackson in front of some well-lit cacti in paradise valley, arizona. >> thanks very much. >> that's impressive. maria, thank you for getting up so early for us on the west coast. we truly appreciate hearing your point of view. till ahead on "morning joe" the democratic nominee joins us. we'll be right back. a new lange for crazy-big, world-changing machines. well, not me specifically. i work on the industrial side. so i build the world-changing machines. i get it. you can't talk because it's super high-level. no, i actually do build the machines. blink if what you're doing involves encrypted data transfer.

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clinton sent an e-mail to state department officials, diplomats and aides about a nuclear energy deal between the u.s. and the united arab emirates. much of the message was redacted ahead of its release. yesterday, state department spokesman john kirby discussed the move by clinton and why information in that e-mail was retroactively classified. >> is it unusual for prior secretaries of state to communicate with current staff, particularly, and not long after they've left? absolutely. that's not unusual at all. as we previously explained foreign may be protected from public release and the foreign affairs acknowledge that foreign government information can be often main tand on unclassified systems and, yet, we have a proscription to if in order, in order to release a document that contains foreign government information. it has to be redacted. >> the trump campaign weighed in

on the revelation releasing a statement that reads in part this. "hillary clinton's secret server jeopardized our national security and sensitive diplomatic efforts on more than 2,000 occasions and shockingly it now appears her reckless conduct continued, even after leaving the state department. this morning, a new franklin and marshal college poll in pennsylvania shows hillary clinton maintaining her lead in that state, 47% to donald trump's 40%, but down from her 11-point lead last month. and there's trouble for clinton in reliably democratic wisconsin where a marquette university poll shows trump in the margin of error. 41% for clinton and 10% for trump and 10 for gary johnson and 4 for stein. clinton just barely above the margin of error. 41% to trump's 38%. a state that hasn't gone republican since 1984.

this as the new national poll from fox news shows clinton and trump effectively tied in a four-way race. 41% for clinton to 39% for trump. libertarian candidate gary johnson takes 9% while the green party jill steen is at 4%. clinton continues to hold the lead in a two-way race. but her six-point margin is down from a ten-point lead from a month ago. >> here we are going into labor day. where it's really the start of the campaign season traditionally, mike. this race is within the margin of error in a lot of places. >> a tough two weeks. a tough two weeks and she has yet to, you know, stand up as we spoke last hour, address the issue that bothers people about him. can we trust her? can she talk in a straight line to us, to the american people, with an element of truth in it with about why she is where she

is on these e-mails and the clinton global initiative and stuff like that. she hasn't done it yet. she is going to be forced to do it at some point. >> you know, willie, we joked for months from june, july, all the way through december people would come on this show and talk about donald trump's healing. it's 2%, 5%, 10%. ended up being about 50%. 55%. right now, if you just look at where donald trump has been over the past several months, somewhere between 38% and 42%. he hasn't risen far above that. don't know we're not going to say he has a ceiling because everybody got that wrong for so long. but it seems to me, his pathway to becoming elected president of the united states is getting 43% and hillary clinton getting 42% and these third and fourth party candidates taking the rest. >> that tightening you're seeing in the polls doesn't show him rising that much. it shows her coming down to him.

it's about her and not him. that's why last night's speech was so confounding. if you have to broaden your coalition and looking for new votes. no message to a new voter. somebody he hasn't won over for the last 15 months. didn't win over in a primary. it felt good to him in the room and friendly crowd. and he needs to get over 42%. >> if you just installed a new campaign manager whose special talent to do just what you describe. to sort of give her candidates the language that they need to broaden their existing support it really, to me, was a smack in the face to what she has been trying to accomplish since she was named campaign manager. she went on the rachel maddow show and showcased her talent to a broader audience, which is what he has to do for us to even still be talking about him coming to the final stretch. and that he went the other direction just shows how sort of

uneven he is as a participant in his own strategic circle. >> yeah. mika, it's incredible. everybody. look at these two polls again out of wisconsin. that have tightened up. within the margin of error. look what donald trump is sitting at. 38%. in that wisconsin poll. go to the next wisconsin poll. the monmouth poll. 38%. >> it's stunning. >> it is stunning that you've got a guy within the margin of error or within striking distance against a democrat who has been known for 30, 40 years and he is competitive. >> yep. >> at 38%. he doesn't even have four of ten voters supporting him in wisconsin. >> but i would bet you that within the clinton campaign, they are concerned about her numbers as willie points out coming down. but not that worried. and not that worried. >> they should be. >> because what they saw last night is what people saw last

night as they tuned in. you saw a man running for president of a hall in phoenix. >> the fact, though, that she is in, within the margin of error of wisconsin and one poll at labor day against a guy who has been the worst general election candidate in modern american history since his convention is something that should send chills up and down each and every one of their spines. they should be horrified that this race is this close. horrified. >> we are. >> i am. >> they should be -- >> it's amazing. >> the narrow gap is amazing when you consider the candidacy of donald trump. it is amazing. >> it is. coming up, former u.s. ambassador to mexico antonio

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right now from mexico. ask you why the president there invited donald trump to come to stand next to him at a joint press conference to elevate donald trump in that way and not to use it as an opportunity where you do know he's very unpopular there to go after the man who has been going after mexico for the last year and a half. >> well, willie, i think that's a question that many mexicans were asking themselves yesterday morning as they woke up scratching their heads and wondering what in the world is going on here. you know, president pena nieto has a support of 23%. perhaps he thought standing next to the only fellow less popular in his country would be a good thing politically. for a moment yesterday afternoon, it looked like he had the opportunity to put down some clear markers and to represent the country's interest well. and he failed to do that. so, the social media was lit up. this morning's papers are very critical and i can't imagine

that his 23% number moved north at all. >> ambassador, based on what you saw of donald trump yesterday and based on what you've seen of him over the last 14 months, do you think he's suited to be president of the united states? >> well, no. i think in terms of his positions on trade, immigration, temperament and tone, i think he has done a very poor job as a republican nominee and in terms of representing our interest abroad and ultimately, that's what americans, i think, view their president and of u.s. interests both at home and abroad. i think in that re -- >> the period when he was trying to get through comprehensive immigration reform which he understood to be the only way to solve the problem that you had to deal with workplace

enforcement and you had to have some civilized humane path to status in his view for citizenship which is 11 to 17 million is what we understood at the time. you were in mexico at the time. is there support in the country now for that kind of approach? can comprehensive immigration reform get done? >> well, i think the more important question is, is there support for that in the united states? and i think broadly there is. it's an issue that when polled tends to do well, americans want safe, secure and efficient borders. americans also appreciate the contributions of immigrants not only today, but historically and i think we also appreciate the fact that in terms of our economy, the contribution of immigrants in terms of our gdp and the contributions of immigrants to economic growth are very real. >> but two presidents tried and

failed. i mean, two presidents tried. george w. bush threw everything at this and couldn't bring his own party along. so, we have -- you know, there's support in this country and there's support in mexico and both countries view this as an urgent problem, why do you think we can't muster the political will in this country? >> i think, ultimately, it's about us and the united states. the people in the country being more demanding about holding our leaders accountable. not letting them get away on either side of the aisle with easy rhetoric. we've moved beyond easy rhetoric to a place where we really want safe and secure borders. we really want to see people moving in and becoming americans. so, really, ultimately, i think it's the people in our country have to be more demanding. immigration reform isn't about mexico, it's about what's good

for the united states and that has to be the focus. this is something in the u.s. interest to get done. >> mike barnicle. the president of mexico standing on the stage and he has very, very low approval rating. 23, 24%, whatever. how much do those low approval ratings have to do with the drug cartels that wreak havoc within mexico and can any president of mexico past, present, future deal with the level of violence in that country? >> well, i think the low approval ratings are actually a combination of things. certainly, the security and violence have a lot to do with those ratings. but this is a president that has also been maligned by issues of corruption that have hit very close to the presidency. issues related to his party. a number of governors around the country that have proven to be both inept and corrupt.

i think it's a number of things. i think the mexican people realize that addressing the issues of cartels is not something that can be done overnight. but they'd like to see in their minds more accountability and more integrity from the president. so, i think it's more of a reflection of that and overall slow economic growth and the things that have maligned leaders really in countries around the world. >> all right, ambassador antonio garza. thank you very much for being on the show. >> thank you. still ahead, hillary clinton's campaign was quick to criticize donald trump's impromptu visit to mexico. tim kaine said yesterday that trump has put his feet in concrete when it comes to his immigration positions. he joins us next. here's a taste of the single that kids just love. it's taking the country by storm. take a listen. ♪ the cowboys and their kinfolk

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all right. joining us now from boston the democratic party's vice presidential nominee, senator tim kaine of virginia. we've been arguing about maybe your too nice for the job. maybe. it might just be the only issue with you. great tahave you onboard. congratulations, by the way. >> no, a lot of issues. >> great to have you here. let's start with the headlines. donald trump goes to mexico. and, well, first of all, let me just ask you, what was your take away from the meeting in mexico and the rally last night? >> joe, kind of talking out of

both sides of his mouth in the way that i think the diplomacy side of it was kind of embarrassing and the speech last night was frightening and divisive. the central piece of his whole campaign is immigration and deportation nation and we're going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it. when he gets in the room with the president of mexico he forgets this? he's been saying it and the mexican president knows he's been saying it. but he doesn't bring it up. did he choke? was he afraid? did he have a little crisis of confidence at the end? you know, it just shows that you can't, you can't talk out of both sides of your mouth. if he gets in that room and he doesn't bring up the obvious issue, that shows, i think, kind of an embarrassing amateur hour of quality to the trip. but then he comes back over to phoenix and he gives this speech that is, look, this same speech has been given throughout our history against irish, and

italian and jews coming from eastern europe. it is deportation nation and they're all criminals and they're doing horrible things. that is not going to make our country great. the continuous flow of new energy and new ideas has made our country great. our nation of immigrants and donald trump wants to be deportation nation. that's not going to help us. >> so, let me ask you, though, about illegal immigration. we said on this show several times that illegal immigration coming to this country has declined. but, it still, though, has been at high levels. certainly if you look and i'm looking at pew research from 2009 through 2014, they were still all record-breaking years. so, what does hillary clinton plan to do to stem the tide of illegal immigration that depresses working class voters' wages? >> well, here's what we're going to do, joe. hillary is going to put on the

table within the first 100 days of the administration an effort to do after 30 years what we need to do, which is reform our immigration system in a comprehensive way and it will have a couple of key pillars. it is going to have the pillar of trying to keep families together as a key value. it is going to helping employers figure out the immigration status and providing a path where people who are here, if they pay their taxes and submit to criminal background record checks and follow the law over a period of years they could earn the right to citizenship and come out of a shadow economy where they're being paid subminimum wages and hurting american workers and be treated more fairly. that will help american workers and help the economy. finally, we'll do what we did in the senate bill back in 2013. a significant investment in border security. you're right, illegal immigration is a problem and we have to have border security. the funny thing net migration from mexico is now near zero.

we need border security and the republican house blocked us from doing the border security investments. we're going to make a run at this in the first 100 days and i think the american public in the november election is going to send a mandate that we want to do an immigration reform bill that's comprehensive after 30 years. >> so, let's ask about your candidate and the team. i mean, the choice of you, certainly, most for many renew or add to the confidence they already have in the clinton campai campaign. but there are lingering questions about the e-mail server and ties to the foundation that seem to reflect, some might say, to the poor polling, poor polling in terms of trust and likability and she almost is tied with donald trump in some levels, which is stunning to me. i wonder what your advice is for her and for the team moving forward, especially with the latest story politico coming out

this morning with bill clinton using certain taxpayer money for equipment to help set up the server. these things keep coming out and it seems like whatever your candidate is saying doesn't appear to be really resonating to help sort of mitigate the damage and build trust. what would your advice be? what has your advice been? what are you going to say moving forward? >> yeah, mika, let me just because you started off with kind of polling and how people are looking at the situation. when we went into the two conventions, i mean, it was nearly a dead heat. we came out of both conventions and we got a little bit of bump out of our convention, but then it's kind of settled back down where we feel good about where we are in almost all the battleground states, but we acknowledge it is close. this is going to be a tough, hard election. no substitute for going out and making the case that we are the right team and we have the right plans for folks. you know, there are questions but the questions that people ask me are more questions like, hey, how can we create an

economy that really works for everybody? what is your plan and compair it with donald trump's plan. what is your plan for dealing with isis and the american security situation? hillary was at theeverybody? what is your plan talking about america's role in the world. they have questions about what we do. >> but you know that -- >> the big questions are -- >> but you know that's deflecting from the question i'm asking you. that's the one that's lingering about the e-mail server and clinton foundation and latest politico report. this is not going away because it feels like the answers are not enough. how does the campaign get around this so they can really build trust with the american people? >> well, here is what i talked to hillary about.

i talked to her about it but i sat next to her as others asked her about it. on the e-mail she said i made a mistake and i learned from it. it's a mistake that won't be repeated. that is important. i have heard her say it a number of times. i watched her say it on tv. she has been interviewed and said that. look, people will ask questions about that. the questions that i'm hearing about are hey, look, thank goodness the economy is growing again and the unemployment rate has been cut in half. we want to see growth where everybody can see a ladder that they can climb to success. some don't see that now. how do we make sure big financial institutions don't tank the economy again? how do we make sure we deal with the threat of isil or other road groups? how do we deal with that as the united states? those are the questions people

are asking every day. hillary and i are making the case that we are the right people that we are in the office making these hard decisions about our economy and our safety? >> good to see you this morning. i want to switch over to foreign policy. you said in october of last year we are in an undeclared war the president started without a clear strategy in that country. in part projecting our policy in syria. what responsibility does she bear for the failure in syria? >> well, look, the failure of syria is not because of the united states. the failure of syria is because of challenges there. it would be for us to think we have a magic wand that can arrange the situation. i do think we made mistakes. some of the things i want to do, we are in agreement.

i think the world made a mistake in february of 2014. the u.n. security council said we should provide aid regardless of whether they let us or not. we should set up a zone in northern syria if they were fleeing they could have a place to go where their needs would be met. secretary clinton agrees with this. we could still do it. sadly, millions of refugees have left syria. millions more could leave if their neighborhoods are threatened. we should do more to provide humanitarian relief so people who want to stay in the country can. hillary clinton and i have been together on this for some time. >> so i don't mean to interrupt you -- >> yeah. >> i don't mean to interrupt you

but she was secretary of state for four years. it could have happened while she was there. why didn't these things happen while she was there as secretary of state? >> she wasn't the decision maker. i mean i think she agreed with me and agreed at the time it would be a smart thing to do. again, i just come back to this point, syria is a horrible problem, the worst since world war ii. it's not because of the united states. you know, we don't get credit for everything that goes good in some other country but we are also not to be blamed when countries are poorly governed and they squash the aspirations of their citizens. it is his dictator ship that lead to this horrible situation. it is tragic for syrian people. >> and you were a big pro poent of getting people on the record to ramp up the use of force elsewhere around the globe in the fight against isil.

what is the administration if you are elected, going to do about that? >> mike this is an area deeply important to me. we shouldn't be a world without congress. congress is hidden under the desk. wanted to criticize president obama but they haven't shouldered the responsibility under article one. hillary said congress should go on the record. on august 8th we passed a two-year anniversary. they are saying our troops deserve to know, is congress behind them or not? you know, it's a hard vote. any vote will be the hardest vote that you cast. but how difficult is it compare today the sacrifice that our military is making every day? we have lost 15 to 20 lives already of servicemen and women and others have been injured.

they are sacrificing every day. we should do our duty. congress has abdicated responsibility here. >> thank you so much. would love to have you back. >> thank you. >> great to see you. still ahead, more on donald trump's meeting with the president of mexico and his speech on immigration right after. we may not be able to top this moment of john lewis crowd surfing on the late show last night. >> wow. >> the congressman joins us onset. we are not going that to him. "morning joe" is back in a moment. mastery is a journey of continuous improvement. come triumph, or trial, tennis legend serena williams moveforward, and with the chase mobile® app we're on the same path, offering innovative, and convenient ways to bank.

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i really believe they want to solve this problem along with us and i'm sure they will. good morning. it's thursday, september 1st. september? >> september? >> what just happened? >> tick, tick. >> welcome to "morning joe." it's time to get ready for school. with us onset we have mike barnicle. >> wait, woe. >> we were switching to epic. barnicle is here. >> legendary. >> so what happened?

you had in mexico he was trying to be diplomatic and then the red meat, he was childreniurnint in the crowd, shooting out all over the place. >> he looked for a minute like a statesman. >> i gave him an a plus for the stage craft and i broke twitter. he stood next to a world leader -- >> calm down. >> hold on. >> not calm down. >> the mexican president -- well, but the question -- >> the bigger point is a stage craft. >> he wasn't -- >> it looks like the unga backdr backdrop. he pulled off 25 minutes of looking different than normal but then that changed. >> we saw yesterday a vivid, vivid, vivid example of

political contortionism. in the space of six hours you had two different people. >> incredible. >> so this is a problem politically. in my first campaign i was way ahead. my opponent tried to paint me as his right wing rabid christian conservative, which was a joke. you meet this. but i was the right wing ralph reed candidate. they used it to scare everybody. then they would alternately get old clips of where my bad had pl played. >> it is closer to the truth. >> yeah. >> it was mixed messages. so not only did neither message hit, they weren't -- they effectively cancelled each one

out. they work against each other. >> he has a flash of maybe this is a guy who look loos like he president. he turned to the mexican president and said i consider you a friend. he was speaking in diplomatic terms. >> right. >> but the minute he landed back, that speech last night. if there was any question about that he could not have gone harder. he talked about a new special deportation task force. he wanted to leave no question that there is amnesty. there will be no amnesty. if you come in this country we will remove you from the united states. >> so there was a softening in

the afternoon? >> right. >> something happened. how do we change things? >> but his words, not ours. we are journalists. >> yeah, that's not funny. >> but the one issue that propelled his candidacy. it returned to phoenix, arizona. from 4:00 p.m. eastern until 10:30 p.m. eastern i defy you to tell me what his immigration policy is. >> how do you have one issue that is your key issue, which is building the wall -- >> which is the stupidest thing i have ever heard. >> that is the punch line in your rally, right? >> uh-huh. >> and then you go to mexico and you claim you don't even bring it up to the mexican president. how does one do that? >> apparently it did come up.

that's kind of a mess too. >> he is saying it didn't. he said they discussed it but did not discuss payment. >> let's actually -- >> joe is right. it's in dispute. i mean my understanding is that there were some issues that were prewired before this meeting and that was one of them. that mean hhappens in leaders a the time. >> with people, don't say leaders. >> with people. but the fact that it ended up in dispute suggests like a lot of things he does it wasn't all buttoned down beforehand. i think this notion that he had all of the leaders out, surrogates out talking about softening his position, that so me, he made fools of every person on this campaign who talked about how he would soften

his situation on immigration. >> we didn't discuss who payis s for the wall. we did discuss the wall. we didn't discuss payment for the wall. this was a very preliminary meeting. i think it was an excellent meeting. >> why wouldn't you discuss it? and they are going to pay for it. it has been his punchli line. you get him right there. you're both sipping coffee and you're looking at him and you're going nice place you got. no. you don't say that. you go hey, we're building the wall and you're going to pay for it. if that's the center of your campaign how do you not get the job done when you're there.

>> he went to fe nix and said it about ten times. 100%. >> but he was just there a couple of hours earlier and had the guy in front of him. you know what he was ding -- >> oh, my god, can you guys just stop? just think about -- >> no. i can't stand people that choke under pressure. >> and the meetings that we covered thch covered. this is a joke. can we please get it over with? i'm going to continue. this stupidity, this ridiculous session of fringe alt-right republican had about a wall that's never going to happen. please, let's not pretend this is some sort of foreign policy discussion. getting it overwi with. mexican president facing a

public outcry over trump's visit insisted he addressed trump's demand that mexico fund the wall. he wrote i made it clear that mexico will not pay for the wall. from there the conversation addressed other issues and developed in a respectful manner. they also said in meeting the president was strong in that mexico does not pay for the wall, position not negotiable. they said the meeting was the first part of the discussion and a relationship builder and not a negotiation and that would have been inappropriate. it is unsurprising they hold two different views and we look forward to continuing the d conversation. >> so after that this is what donald trump said after he was diplomatic in mexico. this is just sort of a stem winder that he delivered last

night, almost trying to prove that the softening they had experienced earlier in the afternoon and they had seen -- >> amnesty don. >> was no longer the case. >> just flip it. >> he toughened up in phoenix. >> number one, are you ready? are you ready? we will build a great wall along the southern border, and mexico will pay for the wall. 100%. they don't know it yet but they are going to pay for the wall. on day one we will begin working

on an impen tribl, tall, beautiful, southern-border wall. we will use the best technology including above and below ground sensors so tunnels. remember that, above and below. towers, aerial surveillance and manpower to supplement the wall, find and dislocate tunnels and keep out criminal cartels and mexico, you know that, will work with us. i really believe it. we are going to triple the number of ice deportation offices. within ice i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most

dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice just like hillary clinton has evaded justice, okay? maybe they will be able to deport her. >> okay. so kind of confused because you asked donald trump if he was going to have a deportation task force back in november. he goes, yeah. yeah, i'll have a deportation task force. the past couple of weeks they have been deanying that they were going to have any deportation task force, all of them. all of surrogates have been deanying they will have a deportation task force. last night donald said they will have a special new and improved deportation task force. it is so confusing. >> i'll tell you what.

there's not much to talk about. i think it's impossible to talk and have a conversation about nothing. i mean it really is. it brings nothing to the table. he is absolutely -- there is nothing there in this candidate. good job. i love it. your song, amnesty don. that was you. >> i explained, willie and i were in amsterdam. >> for the day? >> we were actually -- >> i will go to xavier. >> so good. we'll play a little. >> we ran into this young band. >> it is funny. >> let's bring in this president and ceo of the united states -- >> all right. that's not the question to ask. what was your take from yesterday? >> it makes for great television

but i agree with mika, there is nothing there. he began this campaign on this issue. he collaborated with the george w. bush institute that found that net may migration was 20,000 people. >> what did the chamber -- what's the chamber's position? the totality of yesterday, i'm not trying to be funny. what is his position? he seems to be trying to have it all. he throws the red meat out. he suggests he will not deport people that have been here for 20 years. what exactly is donald trump's position in the times and other publications can't quite figure

it out. >> there enlies the quandary. . he is dammed if he does. he is dammed if he doesn't. he had to come back out and really kind of fire out his base. he has didn't done anything in terms of helping the number. i think he is done for with the hispanic community. he won't see anything if he doesn't get a significant portion of the hispanic portion. i want you to remember this word, biasal. it means clown. i am really sad for the republican party. they had an opportunity to put john kasich front and center but instead they ended up with this bioso. immigration reform is a monster.

we have got to deal with a broken immigration system obviously but it has got to be done in a strategic fashion to get this kind of hate-filled -- this movement of hatred. >> we have seen the post more tum report. they knew what they had to do in 2016 to boost numbers among latinos. it flat lined at best. is there anything donald trump could do in the next two months that could change the tide? >> absolutely not. after last night it was an extra nail on the coffin. he is done for. the reality of it is that there was great work done by the likes of john mccain and jeff flake and others that are compassionate conservatives that

were trying to bring a broader constituency into the republican party. donald trump has laid it to waste and there's no going back. >> that is so sad. thank you for being on the show! thank you, guys. today it's donald trump's turn to address the american he john. it comes one day of hillary clinton talked about american exceptionalism. we'll dig into that. and john lewis joins us onset. but first bill's approaching tropical weather. >> we are dealing with a 65 miles per hour tropical storm in the virtue of strong tropical storm territory. the rain shield is starting to move closer to the florida coastline. the conditions will begin to get

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quickly embraced by republicans. she blasted donald trump for once calling the concept insu insultininsul insulting. >> the united states is an exceptional nation. i believe we are still children con's last best hope of earth. we are still reagan's shining city on a hill. we are still robert kennedy's great unselfish. >> he thinks it is insulting to the rest of the world. >> it kritized american exceptionalism my opponent agreed with him saying, and i quote, if you're in russia you don't want to hear that america is exceptional.

>> you know, she was reaching out to republicans there. i will say, the latest round of polls it is prizing. >> stunning! how far she has dropped. >> yeah, down six in wisconsin. >> yeah, i'm the one that always said to angry democrats, it matters but i'm even surprised. she dropped like six points in wisconsin? >> trump is up. >> you see it in wisconsin. this latest round, i knew it was having an impact. this latest round seems to have an impact on her. >> look at that poll up there. donald trump was at 39%. i get that it's not a national referendum. wisconsin and michigan had been

written off far while. hillary 41. >> 10.6. >> yeah. >> she is down by six. >> donald trump up four. he had a horrible run after the republican convention. you can assume there will be tightening. i think it didn't a collapse of six points by hillary clinton. >> when there are things in the news that remind people of their worries about a relationship with the truth her numbers take a hit not just national. >> i think it was a huge mistake to say the least that the e-mails would about make a big difference. i get asked about it a lot.

it just rings so hollow. it's not a mistake. it because thoughtful move. >> i'm sorry. >> the news comes every day. there was a new revelation every day about her e-mails. there was another revelation yesterday about her e-mails. after the convention. >> it reminds people 10, 11, 12, 13 points in pennsylvania. there's a new poll and she is up by seven. >> 2.6 in florida. she was up six two weeks ago. if time there's a days long news cycle about her e-mails she takes a hit. >> here is a big part of her problem. i will put you in the machine. in february 1992 i'm standing next to jack, legendary

political reporter in new hampshire. bill clinton is running for president. he knows both clintons quite well. i ask him, give me your assessment of them. he said both trimmers to suit the stories they want to be sold. still here today. coming up, antonio villaraigosa said trump went to mexico and tufrump turned into chihuahua. that's coming up next. you live life your way.

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a new report in politico suggests taxpayer money for bill and hillary clinton's multimillion dollars foundation and even purchase a private server. according to an investigation records reveal the clintons made the most of the former president's act authorized in 1958 to fund pensions, correspondence demand for excommanders and chief. they say even as the clintons got rich and grew their

foundation into a $2 billion organization bill clinton continued drawing more cash from the former president's act than any other ex-president. there were analyst also found that clinton's representatives at the end of the dwreer had regetted allocations under $16 million. they purchased a 7,7$7,700 serv and other i.t. equipment. they have reached out to the clinton campaign for a response. i mean this is -- well, let's ask someone other than me about this. joining me is antonio

viilarigosa are we supposed to accept this? >> i can't tell you that i have any information. i am a clinton supporter. i can't tell you that i'm in the campaign so i don't have any knowledge of this. clearly it's true. it's something that the campaign and hillary will have to respond to. i will not say they wouldn't have to respond to something like that. >> so your public figure, was there a lot of people that you have been through this before, i mean all public figures have had people come at them. what's the best way to approach something like this? we showed a poll yesterday that concerns a lot of clinton supporters. she has a 59% disapproval rating to donald trump. a lot of these polls, even wi

wisconsin, how does she move past this and get americans so trust her? >> well, i think hillary knowledged -- and certainly the campaign understands and so do the voters the issue of trust is an issue that's front and center in this campaign. she will have to respond to it and not just respond to it in the course of this campaign. when she is elected she'll have to demonstrate that through her actions, not just words that the american people can trust her. i know her. i do trust her frankly, and i do because they haven't enriched themselves from politics frankly. what they have done, whether through the foundation or through their work in public service is help a whole lot of people. this is a woman who has spent

her entire life investing in children. the clinton foundation has done a lot of really good work. and so but clearly, as you mentioned, this is an issue. it's an issue for donald trump as well. i mentioned many times that the washington post and political fact have said that virtually 75% of what comes out of his mouth is either a lie and we saw it yesterday that mr. trump is all bark and no bite. he said he didn't mention that mexico would pay for the wall and the president of mexico it is pretty well for themselves since they left the white house. >> since they left the white house they have done well but not as public servants. you know, people do well after they leave office.

clearly this is an issue we'll have to address. i know the way you feel about donald trump and the way his performance in mexico. i know you disagree with almost everything he said last night. why do you suspect this race is as close as it is if donald trump is as bad as many democratics think? >> i am not a naturalist but i will say this -- >> you don't know politics. >> i do know politics. the country is evenly divided. that's why we have the kind of polarization on the part of both parties in our congress today. and so what you see, i knew this race was going to tighten.

you all mentioned the race has tightened. i knew this race would go all the way down to the wire. that's why working as hard as we to contact voters. it will be a tough election. when it's all said and done i expect that hillary clinton will be the next president of the united states. >> yeah. >> they gave donald trump high marks for the mexico portion of his day. was there any way how anyone tuning into this campaign might had seen him in a new light if they had seen an american standing shoulder to shoulder with the foreign leader or do you not see any of his appeal? >> look, the guy's a smoke and mirrors -- javier called him a clown. he is really good at changing

the message. he stands next to a president, tried to look presidential and then he goes to the show me your papers state, arizona and just throws red meat. >> so if he's a clown how does he have higher numbers on honesty and trust worthiness. apparently that is something that some people are impressed with. i'm not, and not because he is republican, by the way. i have a lot of respect for conservative leaders. i worked with them in

california. i have never seen anybody like this. i don't think he is conservative, frankly. i think he is undermining his party and his nation's values when he talks about deporting -- when he says he is going to deport 11 million people. no country has ever done that. most people think he can't do that but he certainly says he will. >> i'm sure it's something we all can agree with. i'm sure none of us have ever seen anything like this before and hopefully never will again. >> thank you mr. mayor. >> thank you. >> great to be with you this evening. >> thank you. the clinton foundation is not kmengt. we'll let you know if we get a response. >> this is why this race is close. they say the money paid for aids who want to earn six figure

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what are you going? john, i have known you far long time. >> what was that? >> seemed like the thing to do.

>> the thing to do. >> john louis lou wis of georgia joins us now. we are honored. he is out with a third and final installment which chronicals his role in the civil rights movement. >> my goodness. so the third and final, congratulations. >> before we talk about this let's talk about progress that has been made because of heros like you and -- did you try to put boo perspective what's happened over the past six months? >> we made so much progress.

we still have force that is want to slow down this train, this road to progress. we cannot slow it down. we cannot go back. we have to go forward. >> do you think this is an aberration? >> we will continue to get there. i travel all across america. i see all of these beautiful young people, black, white, latino, african american, native american. asian. they get it. they get it. they want to find how can they be activists. they want to help change things. we have seen it as a blueprint

to teach them the way, to show them the way. it's amazing what young people are doing and saying to be what dr. king called. >> you tweeted out a picture on the march on washington in 63 on the anniversary there and you pointed out you were the last surviving member of the photograph. it was something you started many years ago to get the most basic rights for african americans. what do you see now as the next frontier? what is the next set of rights? what is the next change that has to come in this country? >> we must see that all of our young people, all of our children receive the best possible education. i was growing up in alabama i had a teacher tell me, read, my child, read. i tried to read the newspapers. we were too poor to have a

subscription to the newspaper but my grandfather had one. each day when he finished reading his newspaper he would pass it onto us. i studied the books, read the newspapers. i watched the television, listened to the radio. i heard martin luther king jr. speaking. i heard about rosa parks. ininfired me. i think young people need inspiration. we all need to be hopeful and optimistic. >> does that come from the family? does that come from the education system or some combination of both? >> i think it's a combination of both, education system, yes. our families, our religious institutions. we all can play roles that happen to develop and create another group of leaders who will stand up and speak up and

speak out and do what i call get in the way of getting good trouble, necessary trouble. >> andrew, what did you learn along the way from your co-author in working on this project? >> there is something called the nine word problem. it's by the law center. a vast majority of students graduating only knowing nine words about the civil rights movement. you can't understand the politics of today without understanding the civil rights movement. whether it is nelson rock feller getting booed off. what i learned is how important it is that every single person understand the role that young people played in the civil rights movement. there is a movement where diane gna nash how do you expect people to be nonviolent if you don't give them a way out?

we are trying to give them a way out. >> and what is the goal of the nonviolent revolution? >> i think there are a number of problems we have to address. the first is student loan reform. we need a generation of students that can introduce every one of these challenges. i don't think one is more important than the other. for instance when john lewis got married -- people who we have to lift the burden of debt so another generation is willing to pay that price for us. >> why did you get involved in march? >> andrew said congressman, why don't you write a comic book? i said no. and he kept coming back over and over again. i finally said, yes, if you do it with me.

it reminded me of a comic book i read in 1957-58. it was called martin luther king jr. it told a story. it was 16 pages. it sold for 10 cents. all of the young people from nashville, from tennessee state, we studied at 6:30 p.m. that book became a road map. >> well, this is fantastic. thank you very much. >> speak of nashville they were telling me they spoke in the schools. >>. is their city, wide reading book. >> and several colleges and

universities. >> even new york city announced they are adding it to their curriculum. >> the final installment is available now. as you can see, congressman john lewis. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> we have an update on the political report about bill clinton using federal funds to pay for a private server. we'll continue to follow this story as it continues. we'll be right back. she spent summ binge-watching.

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it takes ingenuity to defeat thmonsters that live in the dark. >> this this is what donald trump sounds like in mexico. >> i am proud to say how many people i employee. mr. president, i want to thank you. this has been a tremendous honor. i call you a friend, thank you. >> and this is what he sounds like back home. >> when do we beat mexico at the border? they are laughing at us at our stupidity and they are beating us economically. they are not our friend, believe me. >> that is what we would call a mixed message, my friends. what have you learned today? zbli lea >> i learned there are many cool people. nothing quite like sitting

across from john lewis about his experience in this country. >> wow. >> a guy, a part of a movement at a time when the whole world changed and changed because of him. >> that's right. >> and so many others like him. >> i learned if you spend 2 hours and 53 minutes you can spend the last two listening to john lewis and feel better about it. >> i feel better that he believes -- >> so affirming. >> that the march to progress continues, march to racial equality, it continues. >> it does. >> i learned that tonight we are going to my mother's art exit at george mason university school of art in the washington d.c. area. it is called natural fact and the opening reception is tonight at 7:00 in the fine art gallery. the exhibit runs through october 7th. check it out. she is at eebtrees if you want

to find her online. we'll be live in d.c. tomorrow morning. >> very exciting to go there. thank you so much for watching us. as always thank you for your patience. >> you have lots of patience. >> it's not easy. >> stephanie picks up the coverage. we have a lot of new news this morning. donald trump expected to speak any minute after last night's fie fiery speech. we'll bring that to you live. donald trump throws red meat to his base in arizona. >> anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained until they are moved out of our country. >> the clinton campaign is blasting it as his darkest speech yet. and new details about donald trump's meeting with meco