counseling. and donald trump is set to receive his second intelligence briefing today. the republican nominee will receive the information sometime this morning in new york city. trump got his first intelligence briefing last month. and that does it that does friday, i'm betty nguyen. "morning joe" live from washington starts right now. >> i know you had a meeting this week. >> i did. >> i had a meeting with great people, great hispanic leaders and there certainly can be a softening. i don't think it's a softening. >> but 11 million people are going to be deported. >> where is the softening? >> oh, there's softening. even to see there is really quite a bit of softening. it's just so confusing. softening. >> it goes. >> hardening. softening. >> softening. hardening. >> good morning, everyone. >> i'm saying. what is it? it's either one or the either. >> itser definitely not a firm

stance. >> i think because it's going to be -- >> there's just nothing firm about it. it's just one day he's here and one day he's there. >> i heard he is called amnesty don. >> you know, that could catch on. you guys might be starting something viral here. >> so, here in washington and with us on set in washington, senior political columnist for "national journal" ron and associate editor for "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. washington anchor for bbc world news america katy kay and msnbc political analyst and former chairman of thorepublican national committee michael steele. >> this is like a swan song. right here. this would be like if we were in abbey road lisening to the

beatles like finish recording the end and ringo is doing his drum solo. >> this is a little overstated, but okay. >> ron, this is your swan song. >> ron who? >> all of america is saying ron who? >> this is your swan song. your last day covering politics. >> i'm heading to detroit on sunday and starting work at crane's on tuesday. >> congratulations. >> thank you. i'm going back home. >> you would think we're here for your swan show but i was here for my mom. emily brzezinski and a great turnout and we saw some really beautiful pieces, again. so, want to thank george mason university for having us. lovely evening. i wish they'd show some art. >> a lot of people hugging each other. i want to see the art. >> a lot of hugging. >> look at that space. >> the space is incredible.

their art center is extremely impressive. don, the curator -- >> the lighting is incredible. there you go. you get a better view of exactly how they set this up. >> can you believe her? she works with a chain saw and an axe. don't get in there when she's doing that. >> so, anyway -- it really is. >> through october 7th. you can see. let's talk really quickly, mika, about it is so, at least to me obvious what donald trump is doing. he's throwing the red meat out to the big audiences, but then he's coming back and saying, no, no, no, there's going to be a softening. though it seems indecipherable what he's actually saying is we're going to go after the bad guys that are here. >> right. >> the people that are living here peacefully are going to get to stay here. he's basically adopted barack obama's position on illegal immigration. >> then nothing will have to change.

it's basically is what it is. >> gene, that's the thing. goes to mexico and plays mice and throws red meat out in the crowd and is going to be tough and says, no, we're going to be soft. >> you can believe whatever you want to believe. you can believe whatever you want to project on donald trump as his immigration position. you can believe so. >> at this point you decipher it all. it's very obvious. he's got barack obama's position on illegal immigration. we're going to throw the gang members and the bad guys out. >> already the priority for deportation. >> and then he said, we're going to sit back. just going to sit back and see what happens for everybody else. >> then work on the eventual disposition of the others, right? which means they're going to be here. >> they're going to be here. >> he has also said at other times we're going taget rid of them and the ones that have overstayed their visas which is something like 4 million. >> that's not the case any more.

>> that's not the case today. what we don't know from donald trump if that is the case tomorrow. that's the problem. we can't say this is donald trump's final immigration policy. >> no, no. it changes every day. >> but this friday, this is where we -- >> yes. i mean, can i say the tweet about the four hours that the guy said yesterday. >> yes, absolutely. >> he said if you have a policy position that's hardening for more than four hours, you should consult a physician. because it moves so fast you're trying to figure out. yeah, i think we all saw the tweet yesterday, but, seriously, four hours. he just keeps changing. >> he can't pass four hours. >> you were about to say something. let ron -- >> this is his last day. let him get a word in. >> donald trump's policy isn't o barack obama's policy. his policy is to try to turn us

against each other so that he can win the presidency. what he doesn't understand is not enough white people in the country for him to win with that kind of policy. that is his policy. >> that has been his policy. the problem is now he has problem saying you are going to lose and expand your base and he just can't seem to get there with any consistency. >> recall the policy of what it is. after giving a pro deit portation speech on wednesday night he laid out a policy of no legalization for the millions of undocumented within the united states, yesterday trump again said there is a softening. take a listenening. >> the line you were softening on immigration and then come out with a very specific, very pro enforcement plan last night. where is the softening? >> oh, there's softening. look, we do it in a very humane way and we'll see with the people that are in the country, obviously, i want to get the gang members out and the drug peddlers out and the drug dealers out. we have a lot of people in this

country that you can't have and those people will get out and then we're going to make a decision at a later date, once everything is stabilized. i think you'll see there is really quite a bit of softening. we're going to get rid of all the bad players that are here. the gang members, the gang members and the drug dealers. after that takes place, which will be a process and won't go that quickly, but go as quickly as any human being can do it. after that takes place we're going to sit back and assess the situation and see where we are because we'll have people in the country that, you know, that have come in illegally. we're going to sit back and assess the situation. we're going to make a decision at that time. >> so, again, katy, that's barack obama's position. we're going after the gang members. that may be weaker than barack obama's position because barack obama, i think he supported more -- >> more than our president. that is actually softer. i'm serious, a softer position

than what barack obama is taking right now. >> barack obama is known amongst hispanic as the deportation president. they don't have much love for what he has done deporting as many hispanics as he has. not clear for donald trump when he says we're going to sit back and wait and let the position stabilize and then we'll decide. what does that mean? that could mean anything, right? we don't know. >> what it means is that he is trying, michael steele, to move off of his hard core, we're going to deport everybody and, i mean, you can't believe anything that he's saying here because he's changing so quickly. the one thing we know is he has moved from his hard-core deportation police position. and trying to prove to white voters he's not a bigot. >> there's the triangialation. that's it right there. he started this thing 1,000 miles per hour in which your base got on the train with they

the road with you. then you realize you come up on this curve called the rest of america. >> or reality. >> you have to slow this sucker down some kind of way. >> you realize it's not 1864, is that what you're saying? >> yeah. well, some hispanic leaders who have been advising trump say they feel betrayed following his most recent comments on immigration. trump surrogate steve cortez told msnbc last night that most of trump's hispanic advisory had urged the candidate to soften his policy prior to wednesday night's speech while his former campaign manager said trump's target audience wednesday was not latinos. >> i gave him advice on immigration, as did other people on the council. he didn't take all of it. yout know what, i'm not the candidate. he is. >> if you look at the polling data, he has about an 18-point lead in the demographic of white

males who are voting in this election. he's going to run an 18-point lead on hillary clinton in that particular demographic. that speech is clegeared at tho individuals and he locked them in for the election. >> one thing, that demographic may be correct but the demographic is white suburban women. not white men. and, so, with 18-point, you know, lead with white men, that's great. >> but, gene -- >> that's not going to win the election for you. >> i think the concern is that when it was seen he was softening that that 18%. you heard limbaugh start to mock him and ann coulter start to go wobbly and heard the hard cores on this start to attack him. so cory's exactly right. that speech in arizona was to tell the white guys, hey, it's going to be okay. >> most of that speech, except for that one line that we might

wait later. the rest of that speech, especially the tone was clearly aimed at shoring up that demographic, which he must have thought was getting wobbly. >> you guys are doing a great job analyzing this. that's all i have to say. >> that's what we're doing because it is the reality. there is confusion inside of the campaign don't confuse that for confusion outside the campaign. >> they're trying to confuse it. >> they're trying to do two things at once, mika. they believe there is a method to this madness and it is just madness. they're sending mixed signals to both sides. >> what i'm saying it's really generous that there is even a method here. >> there is a method here. you keep saying that we shouldn't talk about it, but we should talk about it because there are two things that are happening at the same time here. one, they're worried that when he does soften his position to try to expand the electorate that he loses his hard core base that got him elected. if he doesn't get all

republicans, he loses. it's just that simple. so, they're trying to do two things at once. he doesn't have the discipline to stick to one plan. >> well, all his heart is what he was like in arizona. that's who donald trump is. that's what he feels about this issue and that is where he is most comfortable. then some advisors come in and say you have to soften. he doesn't really feel it. the donald trump we saw in arizona is the donald trump who seems happy in himself appealing to that base. there really isn't a policy and build a wall and deport 11 million people. we all know that. it isn't going to happen. even if he is elected it isn't going to happen. what is so startling as you suggested, it's the tone. the most striking thing that divides donald trump from regular, normal politicians and certainly from hillary clinton is how he speaks about people who are not like himself. it's his tone. >> he's trying to do two separate things, but we can make things clear to the american people. he is doing one thing.

he is dividing us and using bigoted language to turn us on each other. that's why i say that's the bottom line policy. let's talk about what is in his heart and what he's trying to do. >> i just don't even give it that much credit. okay. meanwhile, i'm not trying to be anything, i have lost sort of hope that there is anyone talking an actual strategy and a real focus and there's nothing. >> you get a look at the person at the top of the ticket. >> i am. >> that's who you look at. there are people around him, i guarantee you, that are telling him to soften his position on illegal immigration and he just can't do it because he is drunk. >> right. >> by the crowd applause. >> okay, right there, you nailed it. now, that's analysis right there. >> he's drunk by the crowd applause and, so, if making racist remarks gets people turned up. then he will do that.

>> that is what i think is going on. thank you. meanwhile, another trump surrogate -- >> well, i'm sorry. the elevated conversation where they're trying to do two things and a strategy here. no. >> let's keep -- what else you got? >> meanwhile another trump surrogate marco gutierrez made this argument for trump's immigration plan. >> we need to understand that this is a different time and we're having problems here. >> what problems? what problems are you talking about? >> my culture is very dominant culture. and it's causing problems. if you don't do something about it, you're going to have taco trucks every corner. >> first of all, let me tell you, that sounds like an america i want to live in. >> i had one at my daughter's birthday party, best day of my life. >> i'm having -- i'm having a birthday party. >> i don't even know where to start. >> yeah, no, i'm having a birthday party.

a late birthday party for kate. >> you should get a taco truck. >> that's what she wants. >> i had one for carly, it was amazing. >> if i keep letting come in i won't have to rent a taco truck. michael steele, is that -- >> live television. >> i didn't understand was he threatening or was that a good thing. >> his reaction, you did not. >> how is that even a justifiable argument to pose -- >> it's not. but more problems for donald trump and hispanics. >> taco trucks. >> that's why, that's why, see, that's where i am right there. where you are. everyone look at michael. and now -- >> i was traveling yesterday.

i haven't heard that. >> no, seriously. like what do you have to say? >> there are no words. >> thank you. >> for that one. >> that is the analysis of this entire campaign at that point. there is nothing. >> you know, ron, this is beyond. if you take everything that's happened, this is beyond amateur hour. >> it's not. >> and it is the worst, it's just the worst-run campaign. you look at all the changes in modern american history. the candidate at the top of it is the most undisciplined in modern american history. they are doing nothing right. they don't have a ground game anywhere. they don't even have representatives in key counties across america. they could not, seriously, it's like somebody getting ready for the olympics and just sitting and eating bonbons and cheetos.

and, yet, as the race begins, they're, in fact, tied with hillary clinton. i know a lot of clinton people. they are in effect tied with hillary clinton. it is too close to call. you've got yet another poll that just came out that we're going to talk about in a little bit that shows they're both distrusted equally. and here it is. this is the "usa today" suffolk poll is hillary honest and trustworthy 31%. trump 31%. >> stunning. >> it is beyond stunning that as bad as donald trump has been and as bad as his campaign has been, hillary clinton is keeping this race close. why? >> well, i've been begging her

publicly since early 2015. and many of her friends and fellow democrats have been begging her privately to be honest with the american public and to stop dragging out the e-mail and the foundation scandals. >> you have known for a long time and you respect her and respect the president. you went down and worked when they were in little rock covering little rock. why can't she do that? why can't she hold a press conference and say, here i am. i will answer every question you have. the good, the bad and the ugly. >> it's too late. let's go why she didn't do it at the u.n. news conference. when i wrote that day, you have two options. you can come out and say here is my server. i'm handing this at the state department where it belongs. these are the people documents. they're not mine. those republicans, they're not only after me, but they're after all the good things i'm going to do for the country and i didn't

want them to undermine me and my cause. but i need to be better than republicans. i'm giving these documents back to the american people. do you know what would have happened if she done that? by political consultants and we would have moved on to something else. what she did was the exact opposite. >> she couldn't do that. what was on that server was stuff about the very core of what this is about. it's never been about benghazi and e-mails, it's been about that foundation. >> what i wrote the week before was an anonymous quote and talking people close to both clintons. including one that said we have to follow the money. what this is all about is the intersection with the foundation money. she still could have done it. she had to do it. that's not only how you win the presidency but how you become an effective president. you can't lead the country when this many people -- >> in the interest of the public and the interest of transparency

would never set it up in the first place. what she was trying to do was protect. >> great point to end. we have to get to another big story. >> the numbers show hillary with a lead of couple points here, couple points there. does everybody agree around the table as labor day starts and the start of the campaign that this is basically a jump ball. >> yes. >> i see, i see a lot of like the "new york times" has it up at 80% for hillary. >> that way of calculating. i don't think it's a jump ball. >> advantage hillary clp. >> i think advantage hillary. >> i think the state is an advantage. >> i think it's a jump ball. i think the advantage that hillary has still rests in the electorate map at the moment. we'll see what happens there. >> what do you think? >> i wouldn't put it at 80, but i'd put it at 65, 35. >> mika? >> maybe. >> too many unknowns for people

supporting hillary clinton. too many unknowns about what documents will keep coming up. there's just been a nick a day, a bleed a day. if this continues and if you believe what wiki-leaks is saying, we're going to get more of these into the fall. i think that makes it an even race. >> let's table the conversation for there because one other big story to get to. overnightfallful was hit with its first hurricane in more than a decade. hermine slammed into the florida coast early this morning as a category 1 hurricane packing winds up 25080 miles an hour. downgraded to a tropical storm. let's go to nbc meteorologist bill karins with the latest. >> i remember, this is how old we are. i remember back in 2005 and you know exactly what i'm going to tell you. >> hermine. >> we had a ton of storms in 2003. pensacola got slammed with ivan

and two or three others that year. 2005 was the most active hurricane year. and you and i spoke. a lot of meteorologists and a lot of scientists said because of global warming, florida was going to be hit by a multitude of hurricanes every single year. >> what happened? >> ten years -- well, i tell you what happened. all right. i bought a generator in florida. and i spent a lot of money on that generator. right. and i have learned, i did the same thing when i moved to connecticut because for two years we had snow storms and bought a generator in connecticut. >> i thought you said the big snow blower and then didn't snow. >> if you want leather to not like hit your areas, invite me, i'll buy a generator and it will leave for a decade. it's been a decade, hasn't it, bill? >> 11 years. 11 hurricane seasons. florida sticks out like a sore thumb. on average they get hit every three to four years. the longest recorded history without one making landfall.

this one was only a category 1. so this was, you know, obviously, a significant event for the tallahassee area and the northern big bend area and over 100,000 people without power and a lot of trees down on homes and vehicles. as the sun comes up, we'll see how bad it is and we're getting some pictures in right now. concerns, if you're on the easticoseast coast, we can't stress this enough. a significant event and maybe a major event for you this upcoming weekend. the worry right now life-threatening tornadoes from heavy rains in georgia and heading south carolina. let me take you the forecast track. as we go through the day today, south carolina, north carolina, not too bad. you're going to get some gusty winds and little of storm surge on the coast and nothing you haven't dealt with before and you will be watching the potential for the flooding from the rains. that's your concern. then we take the storm from sunday, monday, tuesday, wednesday and it drifts off the

mid-atlantic coast. it's going to be almost the equivalent of a nor'easter sitting off the coast. 45-mile-per-hour winds up to 65 miles per hour. it almost gets stronger. i don't want to bring up sandy because hopefully not as bad as that. a little sandy action and become a hybrid-type system and linger in this region. the rainfall could be very epic right along the immediate coast and look just off the coast, about 100 miles off the coast. this is 15 inches of rain. if you hear over the weekend that this is tracking closer to the coast, that is going to be horrible for flooding no matter what it looks like a lot of problems with storm surge, joe and mika. areas like new york city, the battery, all the long island sound and water piling up for three or four days. water levels five feet higher than average and that is going to cause some major flooding. there will be people all weekend long getting their boats and yanking them out of the water. horrible conditions with every high tide cycle and the beaches. the beaches are going to be ugly. five straight days of beach

erosion. this is going to be a major event. >> all right, bill karins, thank you for that warning. mika appreciates that warning. she has three yachts that she actually takes across the atlantic. that is what you're going to be doing this weekend. donald trump pays a penalty to the irs and cut a check to the attorney general investigating alleged fraud at trump university. >> it happens. trying to send to the realtor. that's a whole thing. we'll talk to the "washington post" reporter who broke the story. chuck todd, hallie jackson and kristen welker. >> my biggest problem with donald trump, i'll tell you about it in a minute, not his policies, it's the way he treats people.

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>> i'm so sick and tired. i know i'm not supposed to get angry, but i'm so sick and tired of hearing people like trump and the chamber of commerce and the

national chamber talking about we get paid too much. that we don't want -- give me a break. give me a break. this is a guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth that now he's choking on because his foot is in his mouth along with the spoon. my biggest problem with donald trump, i'll tell you about it in a minute is not his policies, it's the way he treats people. no, i mean sincerely now. the way he talks. think about growing up in your house and your kitchen table. if you ever talked about people like he does, i'm not joking. i really, genuinely mean this. if you ever sat there and, you know, talked about how, you know, how cool it was that, you know, john down the street got fired. you're fired. a phrase he made famous, you're

fired. you ought to come from a household where some people were fired. where the plant closed down. where all of a sudden they're staring at the ceiling wondering how in god's name am i going to make it. and wow. i wish he was running. >> i tell you what, i have been in one of those households. >> yes, you have. >> where my father was laid off during recession, the early 1970s. and you do. it changes the way you look at everything. >> what a great point. >> and, yeah, the term you're fired doesn't really resonate, as well. hillary clinton has spent the last month working the donor circuit and the results are in. yesterday her campaign reported raising $143 million in august. $62 million goes to the campaign. while 81 million goes to the other democrats. to put that in perspective, 53 million more than she raised in the month of july.

the joint fund began in september of $152 million in the bank. >> that is a staggering amount. >> is that, i guess it's not a record or else would say that is a record. >> they are spending it in traditionally republican areas expanding into georgia, arizona and even utah. where republican vice presidential nominee mike pence was campaigning yesterday the state that gave mitt romney his biggest margin of victory in 012. john mccain is taking on his opponent by seeming to suggest that clinton will win. >> my opponent representative kirkpatrick is a good person. but if hillary clinton is elected president, arizona will need a senator who will act as a check, not a rubber stamp. >> well, i'll tell you what, that is a strong argument right there. and that is an argument, it's an argument i used. >> a realistic one. >> that's an argument i used the

first time i ran in '94. an argument that will work for these republicans in 2016. we have been trying to figure out, what is the republican message? >> what is the right way to go? >> don't give hillary clinton another vote. give arizona a voice. >> i'm not saying a bad word about him. >> you have to. how can you not? >> it's very good. >> what are your options as a republican? >> right there. that is an effective way to go. >> i was wondering about it. i couldn't figure it out because i understood why i was wrong for some of these republicans to stand up and say, donald trump is morally wrong. i'm going to stand up for what's right, as they lose. but that's it right there. don't just act like he doesn't exist. >> that's interesting. i mean, but we're talking about arizona in a presidential year. >> right. >> i mean, that is extraordinary. we shouldn't be talking about arizona in a presidential year. john mccain shouldn't be in trouble. arizona shouldn't be close. >> yeah, but, the republican nominee shouldn't be a democrat.

>> and, pence shouldn't be in utah this late. >> and georgia. >> and georgia. >> and clinton should not be pulling ads from virginia. >> wow, the math has bep has be upside down. >> republicans think they can disassociate themselves from the ticket are kidding themselves. >> right now you go down the line and i agree with you. you go down the line and you see how portline is doing in ohio. you see how blunt's doing in missouri. you see a lot of these republicans. >> i think that changes. >> i think the voters are beginning to move into a space where they are bifurcating their vote and they have one view about the presidential candidates. and they have another view about the senator who has, you know, been the senator in their state for a period of time. when you look at places like pennsylvania, you have that, you see that. you see it in the polls and

reflected in the department and versus where donald trump is in those states. >> tomey is another good example. >> we don't have a lot of memory for ticket splitting. not a lot of history of people splitting tickets. you see the democrats link every candidate. you'll see portman to trump. >> also carrying the same kind of weight. >> this election is that different that the voters are seeing it in a very different light than they traditionally would. >> i do. i think donald trump is an example, an exception to every rule. and i actually side more with you on this. i think we're starting to see voters separated out. kelly ayotte was getting hammered a couple weeks ago when donald trump was doing as badly as he was doing. now new hampshire voters in the new wmur poll are saying, wait a

second. maybe we don't want to send a democrat. >> yeah. >> to the senate to work with hillary clinton. you have kelly ayotte now basically tied. >> if people decide that they feel splitting their ticket, moderate republicans who decide that they really don't like donald trump, but they have qualms about voting for hillary clinton. i wonder if they think, i can vote for my republican senator and that will give me a license to vote for hillary clinton. >> right, yeah. i think that's the option there. coming up, we'll talk to one of the conservative hispanic leaders who has withdrawn his support of donald trump in the wake of the candidate's immigration speech. alfonso agular joins the conversation and the must-read opinion pages are ahead. >> i want to talk to the guy who promised a taco truck on every corner. >> back in a moment. we could read the room. on the phone, you're just a voice.

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washington correspondent of cnbc and political writer for "new york times" jon harwood. >> you have big news, two big things happened to the harwood family this summer. >> actually three. >> three? >> your daughter's engaged. >> mary jane is engaged. >> that's exciting. >> my cousin, second cousin, the son of my first cousin has broken through as a starter for the oakland a's. beat the cards in st. louis over the weekend. >> that's huge. >> and, third, i'm going to go see springsteen in virginia beach tomorrow. >> that is a summer. that is the way to spend your labor day weekend. >> yeah. >> i was going -- >> no. >> it's in an ampitheater but i'm in the covered. >> we were asking everybody how they see this race shaping up so far. i think it's a jump ball right

now. but i think most everybody else thinks hillary has a bit of an advantage. what is your view of this race going into labor day and the start of the campaign in earnest? >> i think she has a pretty stable advantage, both nationally and in the battleground states. with the size of the advantage she has, let's say it's four, five, six, seven points, that's make the battleground states kind of irrelevant. if you have a lead that large, you're going to get to 270. i think she's got the upper hand. the onus is on him to figure out as it has been to add rather than subtract. >> have you seen any evidence that he has been doing that? >> you see the edge after the lead she built off and her series of mistakes. the lead got pretty big probably bigger than sustainable for her. up to nine, ten points. a few points have come off that. >> a natural tightening. >> there is still a significant

gap and she does better with democrats than he does with republicans. not dramatically, but somewhat. there are more democrats. and, so, i think he's got a problem and i'm not sure that he helped himself with this back and forth on immigration. >> i don't think he did. just chaos. >> the thing is, if you have an image problem and he has a severe image problem, you have to be clear, consistent, focused to try to drive the message if you're going to change that. he has been the opposite of that. >> bob said that and peggy newnan says that and just leaves us with two choices. anxiety or depression. >> exactly. mrs. clinton is depression. you know exactly who she is. what trouble she brings. mr. trump is anxiety. if you know you're throwing a long ball, a real hail mary piece to the reality tv star who may or may not know how to catch the ball when catching the ball means everything. his own supporters will tell you he may be a little crazy, but

only caligula crazy, only drunk uncle crazy. mr. trump yelling and making faces. it warns at the end that a president only need one mistake to make things go terribly wrong. sort of bad that what impressed voters already convinced voters he is disqualified but others think, yeah, he talks like that sometimes. it's part of the act. no, it's not part of the act. it's what we got. >> that's really the question, isn't it? whether donald trump is just playing this role and actually can be a steady leader or not. >> no. >> by the way, is nuroses also on the ballot. >> look at the words that peggy brings up. in papers across america for months and they talk about mental health, they talk about different conditions. they talk about his fitness mentally. sorry. and we, i really don't care what

laws there are against this. it's fair game at this point. he has acted so erratically that there is absolutely no strategy or intelligible to bring forward out of this campaign, no policy that makes any sense. >> yeah. and that's really the question isn't it? the people that want change can they trust the change that they're going to get with donald trump? >> no. sorry. >> we have john on as a guest and you won't let john talk. >> she has strong feelings. go ahead. >> is that the question that voters are going to have to decide? >> yes. and here's the problem for trump. you have so many people within the republican party, people who have some credibility and authority with the party who were afirming the democratic case. we haven't had an election in the recent past that the jeff paulson come out and megwhitman

come out and say the other side's candidate is better. it is very difficult for donald trump to reassure people when authority figures in his party. the former presidents don't go to the convention. mitt romney is out bashing him. just a hail storm for him to kind of fight through. >> you know, i think one of the most effective things that hillary clinton said at her convention was a man who can be baited by a tweet, be trusted with nuclear weapons, right? so, we have a case in which he was just baited by a tweet, right? according to "wall street journal" it was mexican president enrique pena nieto that raised the issue of the wall that had him put him in that speech the other night. >> we didn't see him go tamexico to see him baited by a tweet. >> the most recent example i know. i know i've seen it before. i know we've seen it before. this is a big, you know, sort of

technicolor example that happened this week. >> apparently, i baited him with a tweet and i didn't even know i was doing it. like a seventh grader. >> but there is still the reality and we talked about this in the last segment that the polls show that despite how folks may think or feel about donald trump, that there's a considerable number of americans out there who are willing to continue to give him the look for the presidency. because of how they think and feel about hillary clinton. >> those americans are really important. >> you cannot discount that fact. joe is absolutely right. this is a jump ball race going into labor day. >> it's just not my party. >> telling for months he will win the election. you think so? it is still within the parameters for him to do that. ultimately, we still don't know where the american people will settle down in this race.

>> you don't know how they're going to vote when they go in on election day. we don't know what happens between now and then. we do know that this is a change election. and all the conditions favor a candidate like donald trump. he has to do between now and election day what ronald reagan had to do. people forget that that he had to convince the american people that ford was wrong. that reagan wouldn't start a nuclear war. >> we don't know how strong the gravitational pool for desire for change is. the people supporting donald trump are not just supporting him because they hate hillary clinton. the smartest argument you hear from the frump supporters if we carry on voting for the same things, we will get the same problems. we have to take a chance for voting on somebody who is different and operates differently, otherwise we have another four, eight years of total dysfunction in the country. now, that, lots of stories and arguments why donald trump might

not be the answer to that. but it's a compelling argument. that's the most compelling argument and they really believe it. they really believe it. >> you also have jon harwood a democratic party in charge for eight years. really hard to get the same term for the third party. that's also working in donald trump's favor. >> to katty's point, you have 40 years of stagnation in middle class wages. there is an accumulated rage and unhappiness about that along with the cultural changes in the country that cause donald trump to get some traction. >> but if he is disqualified in the minds of enough voters, very difficult to change that. >> john harwood, thank you so much. >> come back soon. >> you bet ya. coming up on "morning joe" 71 years ago today that the deadliest war on human history came to a close. >> the japanese representatives approached the missouri.

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>> i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous criminal illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice. anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained until they are removed out of our country and back to the country from where they came. people will know that you can't just smuggle in, hunker down and wait to be legalized. >> the line last week you were softening on immigration and then you come out with a very

specific, pro enforcement plan. where is the softening? >> oh, there's softening. look, we do it in a very humane way and we'll see with the people that are in the country, obviously, i want to get the gang members out, the drug pedders out and i want to get get those people out and we'll make a decision at a later date once everything is stabilized. i think you'll see there is really quite a bit of softening. >> i'll say something, mika, that is not going to surprise you. i'm so confused. >> i'm not. >> is chuck todd confused? >> i was going to introduce him right now and kristen welker. kristen, hi, chuck. we're confused. softening, hardening, softening, hardening. i'm so confused. >> sounds like a commercial i tell my kids to leave the room. >> if your position lasts more than four hours, you better change it. >> consult a consultant.

>> one minute into the hour. >> no, it's the truth. i think the tweet of the day yesterday. if your position hurts more than four hours, call a position. he changes his position. i want to go to like a pink floyd concert with that guy. >> no, i don't. >> with his doctor. trump's doctor. >> no, logon to his website and you'll see why. >> remember the movie "canonball run." they had a crazy doctor that, it was such a great, bad movie. but that is what that doctor looks like. crazy eye. >> a great conversation. >> he has the same medical advice no matter what problem you have. dude, listen to the color of your dreams. that's not going to help me with a goiter. but that's a weird, weird dude. so, chuck, what is donald trump doing? please let us know. >> i don't know any more.

what was the point of taking ten days painfully setting yourself up in a clumsy way, but you set yourself up to essentially soften up a little bit, roll things back, try to make a new appeal. you know, again, it was a little clummy, but they had, it was right there. and -- >> if you push joe sometimes really smart things come out of his mouth. >> it takes a while. it takes a while. more things come out of my mouth. >> you were all stratogizing and analyzing. finally, he said it. that is that he's going for the laugh line. he's going for the applause and going with the moment. he does not care. >> he's so drunk on the applause. >> but i think one of the problems, not just in terms of that split screen that we saw what he said in mexico, what he said in arizona and everything in between. the fact that he didn't bring up kind of his signature piece of his immigration plan. the wall when he met with the president of mexico and now the clinton campaign today out with a new ad hitting him very hard

on that. a new web ad and i think it just all gives him an opening. by the way, hillary clinton hasn't been on the campaign trail and i think that's a challenge for her. she's going to have to come back strong after labor day. >> i'm not sure. >> well, i think that's the strategy. >> well, exactly. >> here's what he said last night. i think after being all hard on immigration, this happened. >> but then he went laura engram and laura pushed him, which we just heard. and laura actually was the first one to get him to go back to the softening position and then he went on o'reilly last night. >> different audience. >> different host. >> eric was on last night. >> take a look. >> we're going to get rid of all the bad players that are here. the gang members, the drug dealers. after that takes place and it will be a process. won't go that quickly, but as quickly as any human being can do it. after that takes place we'll sit back and assess the situation and we're going to see where we

are because we'll have people in the country that, you know, that have come in illegally. we're going to sit back and assess the situation. we're going to make a decision at that time. >> i think, ron, that position is softer than barack obama. he's been far more aggressive in deporting illegal immigrants in this country. to just say, if you're committing crimes, we're going to deport you, but everybody else we're just going to kind of sit back. >> no doubt. this is a man who his whole career has only cared about ratings, money and affirmation. in the political campaign the affirmation is polls. so, this is a guy with no core. you're right, we saw it in mexico. he didn't have the guts. i'd use a different phrase, if i wasn't on tv. >> fortitude. >> that's what i was going to say. you're going to pay for that wall. then he came out and lied about that conversation. i was outed in a tweet by the mexican president. as you noted earlier.

i think it was you or eugene that that tweet prompted him to go harder on immigration. he was baited by a tweet. >> here's hillary clinton's ad, by the way, that she has out today. >> who is going to pay for the wall? who? >> mexico! >> we did discuss the wall. we didn't discuss payment of the wall. >> that's pretty powerful.

>> that's the question everyone -- >> again, you know, donald trump writes the narrative for the opposition. he gives them the opening to frame it in a commercial, to frame it -- >> every hour of every day he does something. >> finding that consistency when you're torn between a base that you have gotten to that riled up state and the rest of the country that is waiting for you to, okay, so, show us what you got to be president. they still have not figured that part of the formulation out. >> everybody has taken trump's word on this. peno nieto's word on this. he didn't say anything about the wall either. he didn't contradict trump at that point. so, in fairness to trump, we don't know what happened behind closed doors. it is in his best interest to suddenly now say, no, no, no, i told him. >> we have no reason to believe anything. >> because trump has lied to us too many times and let's not

assume pena nieto is telling us the full story. when that guy had his chance and he said, what did he do? >> nothing. >> the people of mexico are not pleased by how that went. the fact that he didn't confront donald trump and his language was so soft when the two of them stood there at the podium together. what was so fascinating about that moment, for a short period, donald trump's most presidential moment until he came back and kind of flip-flopped and it fits into the crux of hillary clinton's argument against him which is that he fails the commander in chief test, which is the point that she made when she was out on the trail this week. >> one thing in one country four hours later and four hours later saying something in another country. you contradict yourself in four hours. >> so, chuck, i've been asking the question this morning and i'm curious what your thought is. labor day, the traditional starting point of campaign.

>> okay. >> yeah, exactly. so, as we get into the labor day, so many people have already discounted donald trump, this race is over. i don't. i think michael's with me. i think right now for a lot of reasons, this race is a jump ball, as it starts. >> you know what you think. number one, bounce is gone. everybody can agree. that's hard stuff. democratic bounce is gone. have you noticed the number that has moved and the number that hasn't moved. her number moves. his number is -- >> 38. >> it's not budging. now, if you're trump, you can make this a jump ball. i don't believe it's a jump ball right now. if he can't move his number, he can't win with 38 or 39, unless you make 38 or 39 a winning number and you get, you suddenly start propping up gary johnson and you get gary johnson in the debates. but the most, the most fluid number this month has been hillary's, not trumps.

so, if you were trying to do strategicry, you would be pushing for johnson in the debates and pushing for a three way because you need to make 38. >> i want to really quickly, a lot of people and more and more people listen to us in the car when they're driving around. we're showing a poll right now. "usa today" suffolk poll. hillary clinton 42% and donald trump way down at 35%. gary johnson at 9%. stein at 44%. if i'm in a clinton campaign, i'm in a panic. the polls showing the race almost, not that one, but others that have come out, almost within the margin of error and the guy you're running against is sitting at 38%. >> so, i should say i have been talking to them about the polls for months. but remember when she had that big double-digit lead and the discussion was it's not going to stay. there's no way it is going to stay at this point.

so, to some extent they were prepared for it to get more narrow. but, back to my initial point, i think that's when you get a little jittery about her being off the campaign trail. to some extent, and you're right, it's allowed some of these negative headlines to fester. democrats feel like she has to get back in the game very aggressively after labor day. when we talk about the ground game, she has 288 offices open in 15 different states. donald trump doesn't even have 100. >> a handful. >> a handful. so, i think that's a strategic challenge. >> one florida office. >> one florida office. so, we have the criticism that hillary clinton has been getting for not holding press conferences. word now that she will start traveling in a plane with the press starting on monday. so, that will counter that criticism. i don't think trump does that. >> no, he doesn't. staggering, ron, that "usa today" poll has donald trump

sitting at 35%. and the race is still competitive. >> yeah. look. i told you -- >> 35%. >> i do think the race right now is leaning hillary clinton, but that does not mean in an era when voters are desperate for change that this race is over. she can still lose it. i think chuck hit on the big point here. voters don't like either one of these candidates. they're looking to peel away. so, if i'm trump, i'm demanding that johnson, even stein get in these debates. actually, i think i go with the one and i'm doing everything i can to prop up one of them and at the end of the day you have 15%, maybe 20 per % of the peop voting for a third party candidate. >> have you been hearing any movement about the campaign sort of, hey, you know -- >> just the opposite. you talk to a bunch of people in trump world and they want -- and you talk to the rnc and they -- they still want the choice. >> 19%. >> and sitting here like he can't get to 46, yet alone 43 or

44. you got to change. >> you have to do something. >> do something different. >> want to talk to you about arizona and utah. first, marco gutierrez founder of the group latinos for trump made this argument. for trump's immigration plan. >> we need to understand that this is a different, different time and we're having problems here. >> what problems are you talking about? >> my culture is very dominant culture. and it's causing problems. if you don't do something about it, you're going to have taco trucks every corner. >> i like that, though. see, i like taco trucks. >> people are going to be like -- >> that's an america that i can, i always tell people that our greatest day, you put it -- >> get in trouble for this, joe. >> i like taco trucks! >> mika, just stop him. pull him back. >> my girl is -- >> somehow this is going to end

badly. >> my girl is having her 13th birthday and her daughter had a talky truck at her birthday party and my daughter is about to have a taco truck. if you have one on every corner. >> like a starbucks. >> you can walk down the street, right? i don't see that as a negative. who is the bone head that put that guy in charge? we'll be serious now. if you're offended, go back to bed. i really want -- stop watching! >> for the last six years. i mean. >> i know. i'm so offended. >> a compliment. >> no, no, there's always a morning joe ban and our ratings just keep going up. he said taco truck. what are they doing? who is this guy? there are no words to explain that comment. i mean, in the face of everything that's happened in the last 24 to 36 hours, didn't have a surrogate go on and

make -- >> surrogates are beyond the scope of even -- look, some of the surrogates who get out and say things for this candidate i honestly, they make no sense. i've never seen it. i've never seen it. >> the other challenge. he doesn't have a huge to choose from. the news was he had a lot of latinos who were initially saying we're going to give you a chance. >> they're leaving now. >> campaign reflect the person at the head of the ticket. this man has no idea what it is like to be hispanic american and african-american and no idea what it is like to be a middle class american. >> you would think the african-americans representing him would know what it is like to be a hispanic. you would think that would be conveyed in a more positive, uplifting way than complain to a stereotype about taco trucks. >> hillary clinton campaign at

this point, why doesn't she sit back and watch tv? >> why does she not do more press conferences? >> if i was her, i would sit back and watch television and people talking about taco trucks. >> e-mails and you'll about doug ban. >> or watch the clown show. just watch it on television. >> so, chuck, stay in front of the plane, trust me. >> you think so. >> she might roll -- >> they promise me they're going to do more press conferences in the fall. i'm holding them to it. >> roll your question up, roll your question up. roll it up. >> i'm going to bring order to this. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." >> really. come triumph, or trial, tennis legend serena williams moves forward, and with the chase mobile® app we're on the same path,

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donald trump is set to visit a largely black church in detroit tomorrow as part of his continued effort to court minority voters on even days and offend them on odd days. his campaign also reportedly looking to keep him on script during the conversation with the church's pastor. >> yes. >> what are you hearing about it? >> keeping him on script apparently, literally, joe. report out in "new york times" a leaked memo that shows the q and a he will conduct with a black pastor who is, this is going to be on the impact network. this is a christian network owned by an african-american group. so, the issue is the article paints a picture of a campaign that appears to be nervous about donald trump going off script. they are literally trying to keep him on message by writing out some of these answers. let's look at one. pull up the graphic. first question is, are you a christian and do you believe the bible is an inspired word of god? trump's response that is scripted that has been suggested apparently to the candidate. as i went through my life,

things got busy with business but my family kept me grounded to the truth and word of god. i treasure my relationship with my family and through them i have a strong faith enriched by a ever wonderful god. it doesn't often sound quite like this, quite like the lines and the words that you're seeing, but these, you know, they're suggestions for what he can say. i will tell you this "new york times" have updated their piece with some response from the trump campaign communications director. now, instead of trump simply going to this church, doing the interview and then leaving, he will actually address some of the congrugts there and speak with them afterwards. jason miller says about five to ten minutes of a speech and then like half an hour of chitchat with these folks and visit some neighborhoods in detroit with dr. ben carson. some interaction with the voters whose message he is hoping to get to. >> so, hallie, do i have this right that donald trump is going to be talking about his christian faith and is he going to be reading the answers from a

teleprompter or those just suggestions for him? >> so, these, it's according to "new york times" this is a script he was given. not my understanding there would be prompters in his interview, that is highly unusual. but this is the prep momo that he's been given to apparently stick to. >> all right. very good, hallie. thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. a new report says donald trump was forced to pay a penalty over a questionable political contribution by the charity bearing his name. according to "washington post" the irs hit trump with a $2,500 fine this year for a tax law violation by the donald j. trump foundation. the paper says the organization gave $25,000 in 2013 to a group called justice for all, which was supporting florida attorney general pam bondi's re-election campaign. at that time, bondi was considering whether to investigate fraud allegations against trump university. but later decided not to pursue

the case. david, this is your reporting. what more can you tell us? is there a connection here that's deeper? seems to be like a quid pro quo? >> certainly, ap of this that solicited that donation during the time that she was considering launching the kind of fraud investigation the "new york attorney general did. later on she decided not tapursue. this irs fine is not because he paid somebody money, but he made that money out of the wrong pocket, basically. paid it out of his charitable foundation and not out of his own pocket. >> chris cillizza, you reported on the extensive network that donald trump has in the state of florida. his ground game absolutely staggering. and the "tampa bay times" reported something amazing thursday morning. that one field office in florida

and by comparison, president obama had 102 field offices in florida during his 2012 election. mitt romney had 48 in modern memory. no candidates had only one. >> one. you know florida pretty well. it's kind of a big state, right. >> big state. >> look, one field office in my home state of connecticut would be problematic. so, what you always, the pushback you always get on trump stuff, whether it's organizational or otherwise is, well, he won the primary. which is true and he did it in a way that was decidingly unconventional. he got 13.3 million votes as he often reminds you. 13.3 million votes in the primary. or the than any other republican candidate ever. mitt romney got 60 million votes in 2012 while losing. we're talking about scales of magnitude here. you need, if you are donald trump, you have to find every

person who is marginally for you. you have to find in your whole district, joe. you have tafind every republican in that district. and you have to turn them all out and they won't all, they just won't all show up at the polls. some of his hard-core support will. but you have to touch these people. that's what we know in general elections. >> but you not only have to -- you have to pull out democrats. my old district, i woke up the day after the election and found that 16% of the people who voted in the election are democrats. you have to win with democrats and independents. he's not even winning with republicans. >> the thinking, at least initially, has been that the state parties will take care of that. that's not how this works. it's the state parties are looking for the presidential campaign to come in and put the infrastructure in place. they then fill it in with the bodies because that's their network. their network isn't buildings and pencils. their network is here is a volunteer now that can come into

the field office that you set up and you're running and managing. so, without that, the idea that these folks are just somehow going to organically go out and organize the state and, you know, as you write this, florida. just florida alone. i mean, the panhandle area alone. the i-4 corridor alone is just, you know, these pockets that you have a deep concentration. and mitt romney had 40 field offices. >> 8.3 million votes were cast in florida in 2012. 4.2 for obama. 4.1 for romney. if you think all 4 million of those people just organically decided, 8 million people, it's november. i'll show up to vote. that's not how it works. some do, but we're talking about hundreds of thousands, not millions. >> the party doesn't do this to bring people in? the party doesn't do this? >> this is what the presidential campaign is there. they come in and say, this is how we want to geaboo about thi

state. they all organize that together. they're sitting there waiting. >> what is the opportunity for the republican party here, if any. >> what are you talking about? it seems to be a nightmare. you go back to 2004 and liberals could not figure out how george w. bush won. so, how is it that he won. he won because ken melamine and i was in florida at the time. ken melman would have organized calls every week and everybody on the organizing calls had responsibility to bring 20 new people every week. if you didn't, he fired you on the spot. and the second person in charge said, okay, now, you're in charge. do it very polightly. you're in charge. i need you to bring 20 new people next week. david, that's how you organize a state. it's why george w. bush was

re-elected instead of john kerry. >> not the way trump think elections are won. not the way he thinks politics works. he reaches through your television and you radicalize yourself and take yourself to the polls. i don't think it will happen in this case. i was thinking back to 2012. people were mocking romney. i remember the obama people gloating. romney had 40 something. >> guess what. a diffanc a difference. most people don't spend every waking hour like me and probably all of us around this table thinking about, talking about politics. >> the most depressing experience. >> the chairman knows this, it's not most people, even people who turn out to vote you must touch them and go to them and say the election is important for these reasons. >> i actually, again, i know people hate me talk about when i ran for office. i guess maybe i should talk about when i coach jv football.

but i will tell you i would go to my phone banks my first year and they were all volunteers because we had no money and about two days before the election i had a lot of people saying, they're screaming at us saying if we call, again, they will not vote. i said, keep calling. i did. that is a good sign. >> yeah. >> guess what, first republican ever elected in the district, 62%. and we did -- because of organization. that's how you win elections. >> yeah. >> and michael steele, you, you ran the republican party the year that the party broke records. >> yep. >> in 2010, the greatest legislative landslide on the national and state level ever and you did it with a ground game. >> we had 138,000 people across the country in all 50 states and the territories working nonstop.

138,000 network nationwide. if you've got one office in florida, in sarasota, florida, that is not going to get the job done in florida. >> all right. >> don't get me wrong, i like it a lot and it's in the center of the state. you probably need more. just thinking. "washington post" thank you, both. >> i'm focusing on going to the nats game on labor day. >> thank you for coming on. >> go "washington post." all right, still ahead, the first hurricane to hit florida in more than a decade. you'll see. it's now been downgraded to a tropical storm, but it's still churning. bill karins brings us the latest on the storm's path, which will cause a lot of issues for the entire east coast this weekend. we'll be right back.

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overnight, the first hurricane in more than a decade hit florida flooding streets, toppling trees and leaving thousands without power. bill karins has the latest. bill? >> joe and mika, a really serious situation developing not just now but mid-atlantic. let's start with what happened. category 1 made landfall. we have a lot of power outages around the tallahassee area,

especially. that's now spreading into areas of southern georgia. a tornado threat during the day today. so far we haven't seen any tornadoes, that could change especially coastal carolina. let me get you to the forecast track and path. take it right through portions of south carolina during the next 24 hours. it weakens. the winds will not cause a lot of problems in these areas. possibility of some flooding and also the high tide cycle at 10:00 a.m. this morning, that's when we'll have our highest water at the coastal areas and minor coastal flooding. the storm comes off only at 45 miles per hour and then intensifies. becomes a hybrid-type system. almost like a nor'easter mixed with a tropical system. 65-mile-per-hour winds, that's a strong storm. notice the cone of uncertainty. watch how long it sits here. sunday, monday, tuesday, wednesday. when a storm sits in one spot that long, you get two concerns. one, the water piling up on the coast and the rain.

thankfully if it stays off the coast like this, i mean, this is 15 inches of rain out in the open water. we want this to stay over the water. if that much rain fell in the mid-atlantic and new jersey, huge problems with rainfall flooding. regardless if that storm is close, the rain, that is the biggest questionmark. we know we'll get storm surge florida and down here in south carolina and north carolina today. over the upcoming holiday weekend, especially sunday and monday, we get the potential for a major flooding in areas of long island sound. that east wind is going to pile that water up in the long island sound. possibly down from ocean city, maryland, and in the norfolk virginia beach areas. that is our greatest concerns. we'll it in to monitor that. one of the final factors into whether we'll see another august interest rate hike. the jobs report due out in the next hour. live to new york stock exchange for reaction. still much more ahead this hour.

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hillary? >> that's very important. look, he represented and spoke for a huge chunk of the democratic party. most people have to vote if hillary clinton is going to do as well as the polls suggest she might. >> you see, ron, so much more unified democratic party than you do a republican party. the republican party is a parry that seems to be at war with itself right now. >> kind of the opposite of what it usually is. for the fractures inside the democratic party, they don't compare to what is going on with trump's party. >> bernie sanders' speech on monday will prove that. new hampshire. 71 years ago today on a ceremony aboard the "uss missouri" the japanese formally surrendered bringing an end to world war ii. tom brokaw takes us inside that moment of history and what it could mean for today's wars. stay with us. how i stay active. and to keep up this pace, i need the right nutrition. so i drink boost®.

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so wars these days don't end with formal signing ceremonies, but 71 years ago today, the deadliest war in human history did. with the unconditional surrender of japan on the deck of the "uss missouri" in tokyo bay. >> using long, unseen footage from the national archives, nbc tom brokaw takes a special look at the extraordinary event that brought world war ii to an end on this day in 1945. >> world war ii and the pacific.

four years of bloody hell came to an end here. september 2nd, 1945. a solemn ceremony on the deck of the "uss missouri" in tokyo bay. a mighty warship and a peace to celebrate. the ship was packed with hundreds of sailors, marines, reporters and cameramen and top military brass with legendary names nimts, wainwright, mccain. representatives of nine ally nations and supreme ally commander general douglas mcarthur. just before 9:00 that morning, the japanese representatives approached the missouri. they boarded in silence. took their places and the brief ceremony began. >> it's my honest hope and indeed the hope of all mankind that from this solemn occasion a

better world can emerge out of the blood and carnage of the past. >> mcarthur was about to become the interim ruler of japan and the japanese people defeated and afraid did not know what to expect until this moment. >> to proceed in the discharge of my responsibilities with justice and tolerance. >> justice and tolerance. with those words, one japanese elegant later said the deck of "missouri" was transferred into peace. the japanese foreign minister followed by the army chief of staff. general mcarthur signed. eyewitnesses saw his hands tremble. the ally nations signed, as w l well. the end of the worst war in human history. world war ii finally was over.

>> let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that god will preserve it always. these proceedings are closed. >> at that moment, as if on cue, the sun came out. and as the japanese departed, a stunning aerial display. more than 2,000 allied aircraft flew in formation over the "missouri." in washington, president harry truman marked the moment. >> in hopes of all america, indeed of all civilized world, our center tonight on battleship "missouri." >> no accident that the surrender took place aboard "missouri." named for truman's home state. the previous year watched his daughter christen "missouri" as it was launched into new york's

harbor. just weeks the ship was back in new york welcomed by thousands, including president truman. he visited the spot where the war had end edended. he sat at the surrender table and signed the guest book and described it as the happiest day of his life. today, with this plaque marking its now famous deck, "the missouri" is anchored where world war ii began for the united states. mighty mo now stands proudly and at peace at pearl harbor. >> that's nbc tom brokaw reporting for us. thanks, also, to "dateline" senior producer andy franklin for producing that great and moving piece. with us now former dod official and wmd commission dr. evelyn farkus and, doctor, you just got back from japan where you actually had officials telling you what china is doing

right now, i'll just read the quote. what china is doing right now in the south china sea and east china sea resembles the approach of the russian military and its. >> yes. >> i'm glad you guys are highlighting this end of world war ii ceremony. after that we set up all of these rules, the united nations, all of the respecting soft re y sovereignty of states. you see these really important principals that we enshrined. so that's what china is doing now. they are saying these islands are ours. in the south -- >> has the national court ruled

against china on those? >> the international court rule until favor of china. the chinese said it doesn't matter. they basically said international law, international court, it doesn't matter. >> you go from china and the chinese flexing their muscles and then you look at the middle east. do you feel like you're looking at a world with less and less clout? >> we are being asked to stand up for our principals and we probably need to do a little more of that. we really haven't seen these states flecking the states flexing their must ls muscles. we need to maintain these institutions and these laws. >> for example, recent activity in turkey, turkey clearly seems

to be calling the shots. who would you blame for the situation in which america's currency seems to be less around the world at the moment? >> i don't think it's a question of blame. i mean the world has changed. clearly it's not a unipolar system or a bipolar system. if we don't counter them, don't deter them, then they will keep pushing. i this i they have done a good job. we need to do -- and he has done a lot of syria. we need to do more, obviously. that's a disaster as well as civil war. so we are being challenged. >> it sounds like we need a larger strategic framework, the middle east.

all of these things are happening. not that we caused them but they are happening. do we have a grander vision for how the united states fits into this different world? >> i think we should. i think we do. we actually have the structure and the vision, if you will. we are not standing up for it. we are not enforcing it. >> why not? >> why not? i don't know. today is also the anniversary of teddy roosevelt's speak strongly and carry a big stick speech. it is in service of values. we don't talk enough about values. >> let's talk about syria for a second. we are always give an false choice. the false choice seems to be do nothing or go to war with 100,000 troops. i think your position is mine as well. create a no fly zone. what's getting in the way for

safe harbor for syrians to return home. >> you know what happened in bosnia. we had the same arguments, this is a civil war. it is unresolvablunresolvable. it is disasterous. everybody was wringing their hands. we started with limited military action in order to save people's lives and we were doing training and equipping. i think in the case to answer your question, why aren't we doing more, it's hard. it's not easy. you have to tell them don't fly there or else. >> it has been hard now for five years. that's all we hear, it's hard. yeah, we made something difficult far more difficult. >> right. we have to be firm. frankly speaking, if the russians challenge us to the

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i know you had a meeting this week. >> i did. i had a meeting with great people, great hispanic leaders. >> but 11 million people. >> i have had people say it's a hardening. >> it's a softening. >> i think you'll see this quite to bit of softening. >> it's just so confusing. >> softening, hardening, softening, hardening. >> that's just -- >> no. she saying it. >> what is it? it is either one or the other. there's not a -- >> it's --

>> no. nothing firm about it. one day here is here and one day he is there. >> i heard amnesty don. >> you guys might be starting something viral here. >> with us onset in washington ron, associate editor for the washington post eugene robinson. washington anchor kattie kay and michael steel. it was incredible. >> it was beautiful. >> we saw really beautiful pieces again. i want to thank them for having us. it shows art. >> there are a lot of people hugging each other. >> there was a lot of hugging.

>> okay. >> space. >> space is incredible. they have a really -- their art center is extremely impressive. >> the lighting is incredible. >> there you go. >> you get a better view of how they set this up. >> all right. it is like october 7th. >> so let's talk really quickly, seriously, about it is so -- at least to me, obvious what donald trump is doing. he is throw tg meat out to the big audiences then saying no. there's going to be a softening what he is saying is we are going to go after the bad guy here. people that are living here peacefully are going to get to

stay here. he basically adopted barack obama's position. >> then nothing will have to change. it is what it is. >> that's the thing. he goes to mexico, plays nice and throws red meat out and said we'll be tough. then goings on laura -- >> no. you believe whatever you want to project on donald trump as his immigrants -- >> but at this point -- >> you kind of can't. >> he has barack obama's position on illegal immigration. we are going to throw the gang members and bad guys out. and then he said we are going to sit back and see what happens for everybody else. >> and then work on the eventual disposition of the others. >> they will be here. >> but he also at other times said we are going to get rid of all of them and get rid of the

ones that overstayed their visas. >> that's not the case anymore. >> that's not the case today. what we don't know is whether that will be the case again tomorrow. >> right. >> that's the problem. you can't say it's the final immigration policy. >> no. it changes every day. >> and this -- >> yes. could i say -- >> yes. absolutely. >> he said if you have a policy position hardening for more than four hours you -- >> i wish i hadn't said yes. >> because it moves so fast. you're trying to figure out. i think we also saw on a tweet yesterday, but seriously, four hours, he keeps changing. >> you were about to say something. this is his last day. >> donald trump's policy isn't donald trump's policy. it isn't throwing out 11 million

immigrants. it is to demonize anybody who isn't a white male. his policy is to turn us against each other. he doesn't understand there's not enough white people for him to win. >> that has been his policy. he has people saying you are going to lose unless you expand your base and he just can't seem to get there with any con s consisten consistency. >> after giving a pro deportation speech which he laid out a policy for no legalization for millions undocumented within the united states trump said there's a softening. take a listen. >> the line last week you were softening on immigration, then you come out with a very specific very pro-enforcement plan last night. >> we will see with the people in the country, i want to get

the gang members out, drug dealers out, drug peddlers out. we get a lot of people you can't have. those people will get out and we'll make a decision at the later date once everything is stabilized. i think you'll see quite a bit of softening. >> we'll get of all of the gang leaders, drug dealers. after that takes place we are going to sit back. we are going to assess the situation. we are going to see where we are because we'll have people in the country that, you know, that have come in illegally. we will sit back and assess the situation and make a decision at that time. >> so again, that's barack obama's position. we are going after the gang members. it may be a little weaker than barack obama's position because barack obama, i think he

supported more -- >> over a million -- >> yeah. >> that is actually softer position than what barack obama is taking right now. >> and barack obama is known as the deportation president. they don't have much love for what he has done deporting as many hispanics as he has. i don't think it's clear when he says we'll wait and then we'll decide. what does that mean? it could mean anything. >> we don't know. >> what it means is that he is trying, michael, still, to move off of his hard core, we are going to deport everybody. that's what -- you can't believe anything that he is saying here. the one thing we know is that he moved from his hard core deportation police and trying to prove he is not a bigot. >> that's it right there. he started this thing at a

thousand miles per hour in which your base got on the train with you. they are just steaming down the road with you. then you realize as you come up on this curve called the rest of america -- >> or reality. >> you have to slow this sucker down some kind of way. >> yeah. >> you realize it's not 1864. is that what you're saying? >> yeah. some hispanic leaders who have been advising trump say they feel betrayed following his most recent comments on immigration. steve cortez told msnbs they had urged him to soften his immigration policy while his former campaign manager said trump's target audience wednesday was not latinos. >> i give him advice on immigration. he didn't take all of it but i'm not the candidate, he is. >> if you look at the polling

data he has about an 18 point lead in the demographic of white males. he will have an 18 point lead. this is clearly gear toded to m sure they are there. >> and that's corey. >> but the demographic is white suburban women. it's not white men. so with 18-point lead with white men. that's great. it's not going to win this election for you. >> i think the concern is when he was softening -- >> exactly. >> you heard the hard cores on this start to attack him. >> right. >> so corey is exactly right. that speech was to tell the

white guys, hey, it is going to be okay. >> most of that speech except for that one line, the rest of that speech and especially the tone was clearly aimed at shoring up the demographic. >> you guys are doing a great job analyzing that. >> there is confusion inside the campaign. >> they are trying to do two things at once. they believe there is a method to this madness. it's just madness. they are sending mixed signals to both sides. >> i think it's really generous you think there is even a method here. >> i know you can't see it. >> i don't expect there is any method here. >> you keep saying we shouldn't talk about it. >> i'm not saying we shouldn't talk about it. one, they are worried when he does soften his position to try

to expand the elector rate that he looses his hard core base. if he doesn't get all republicans he looses. it's that simple. they are try to go do two things at once but he doesn't have the discipline to stick to one plan! all his heart is in what he was like in arizona. that's what donald trump is and that's where he is most comfortable. some come in and say you have got to soften. you have got to soften. the donald trump we saw in arizona is the donald trump who seems happy in himself, appealing to that base. there isn't really a policy. he is not going to build a wall. we all know that. it's not going to happen. even if he is elected it's not going to happen. what's to startling is the tone. the most striking thing that divides donald trump is how he speaks about salespeople who are not like himself.

>> i agree. >> he is trying to do two separate thing. he is doing one thing. he is dividing us. he is using bigoted racist language. that's what he is doing. let's just talk about what is in his heart and what he is try to go do. >> i don't even give it that much credit. it is the real focus. it is this person. that's what it is. >> there are people around them. >> they are telling him to soften his position on illegal immigration. he just can't do it because he is drunk. >> right. >> by the crowd applause. >> right there. that's analysis right there. >> he is drunk by the crowd applause. >> by the limelight.

>> if it gets people turned up. >> yeah. >> that is what i think is going on. thank you. another trump surrogate -- well, i'm sorry. they are try to go do two things and that's strategy here. >> what else you got? >> another trump surrogate who is the founder of the group made this argument for trump's immigration plan. >> we need to understand that this is a different time and we are having problems here. >> what problems? what problems are you talking about? >> my culture is a very dominant culture. it is imposing and causing problems. if you don't do something about it you'll have taco trucks every corner. >> that sounds like an america that i want to live in. >> i had one at my daughter's birthday party. best day of my life.

>> i don't even know what to say. >> i'm having a birthday party. >> you should get a taco truck. >> that's what she wants. >> i had one for carlie. it's amazing. >> they say if i keep allowing immigrants to come in i don't have to rent a taco truck. >> you think it's easy to get a taco truck? no. it's not. >> was he threatening or -- i didn't get it. >> it was like you did that. >> i love it. >> how is that even a just final argument? >> it's not, but more problems for donald trump. >> taco trucks.

>> what do you say? >> there are no words. sheer bill with the latest on the hurricane. >> we are getting damage reports in from the florida coastline. it was an 80 miles per hour. you wouldn't expect a lot of roofs but you expect a lot of tree damage. it is there in northern florida. there were a lot of transformers blowing. a lot of damage you'll see on houses and cars. that's about the worst of it. about 100,000 people without power. this is in tone that trees is t biggest issue. the new update, 60 miles per hour winds. we continue to weaken it.

when winds get down this lo low we don't even see trees. it is racing to the north to northeast at about 14 miles per hour. it is moving at a good clip and preventing us from getting a lot of flash flooding. the rain bands are moving through quickly. we haven't heard of any reports of tornados so far. this is down to savannah. it is very typical. usually they are the weaker ones. coastal areas will go and continue through this afternoon. we have tropical storm warnings that continue from palm coast through jacksonville all the way up the east coast. we have had tropical storm watches up for the jersey shore and for virginia beach areas. that will be on sunday

especially it looks like, the windiest day. here is the forecast. it was 5:00 a.m. advisory. next one at 11:00 a.m. they take the storm north of savannah. early tomorrow morning exiting areas of north carolina. i don't want to take a look of damage here. here is where the forecast gets very interesting. the storm staulls off the coast. it will be like a giant nor'easter. the rain is the question. how close will the rain be to the coast? it could be dry or very heavy. it will be a close call. it will effect people's picnic plans through the holiday weekend. showing you a picture, this is probably getting worse. this is swells coming in and surfers enjoying it while they can. more "morning joe" when we come back. it's not something you do now and then.

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i'm so sick and tired of hearing people like trump and the chamber of commerce, the national chamber talking about we get paid too much. give me a break. give me a break. this is a guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth that now he is choking on because now his foot is in his mouth along with his spoon. my biggest problem is not his policies, it's way he talks to people. think about growing up in your house at your kitchen table. if you ever talked about people

like he does, i'm not joking. i genuinely mean this. if you ever talked about how cool it was that john down the street got fired, you were fired, the phrase he made famous, you're fired. you ought to come from a household where some people were fired, where the plant closed down, where all of a sudden they are starring at the ceiling wondering how in god's name i'm going to make it. >> and wow, i wish he was running. >> i have been in one of those households. >> yes, you have. >> my father was laid off in recession in the early 1970s. it changes the way you look at everything. >> what a great point. >> yeah. the term you're fired -- >> it's not funny.

>> hillary clinton spent the last month and the results are in. her campaign raised $143 million in august. 62 million goes to the campaign and 81 million goes to other democrats. it is 53 million more than she raised in the month of july. the joint fund began september with total of $152 million in the bank. >> that is a staggering amount. >> i guess it's not a record or we would say it is a record. >> it is expanding into georgia, arizona and even utah. and where mike pence was campaigning yesterday, the biggest margin of victory in 2012. senator john mccain seeming to suggest that clinton will win. >> my opponent, representative ann kirkpatrick is a good person

but if hillary clinton is elected president -- >> i'll tell you what, that is a strong argument right there. that is an argument that i used -- >> a realistic one. >> that's an argument i used in '94 and will work in 2016. we have been trying if figure out what's the republican message and that's don't give a hillary clinton another vote. >> doesn't even say his name. >> no. >> he is almost dismissing trump. >> you have to. how can you not? what are your options as a republican? >> right there. that is an effective way to go. >> i was wondering about it. i couldn't figure it out. i was wondering why it was wrong for them to say i'm going to stand up for what's right, as

they loose. that's it right there. act like he doesn't exist. >> that's interesting. we are talking about arizona in a presidential year. that is extraordinary. we shouldn't be talking about arizona in a presidential year. arizona shouldn't be close. >> yeah. but the republican nominee shouldn't be a democrat. >> and pence shouldn't be in utah this late. >> and georgia. >> and clinton should not be pulling ads from virginia. >> wow. >> the map has been turned upside down. >> republicans think they can disassociate themselves from their ticket in this day and age are kidding themselves. >> and i agree with you but you see how blount is doing in missouri. >> i think it changes. >> i think the voters are beginning to move into a space

where they are their vote. they have one view about their candidates and another about the senator who has been the senator for a period of time. you see that. you see it in the polls and you see it reflected in the strength versus where donald trump is in those states. >> and tumy is another good example. >> we don't have a lot of muscle memory right now. and you're going to see the democratics are going to link every candidate. >> yeah. >> you'll see it from portman to trump. >> carrying the same kind of weight. >> yeah. and it's that different, that the voters are seeing it in a very different light than they traditionally would. >> i think donald trump is an

example, an exception to every rule. i side more with you on this. i think we are starting to see voters -- it seems like they are saying wait a second. maybe we don't want to send a democrat to the senate to work with hillary clinton. >> yeah. you have kelly -- >> if people decide that they feel okay splitting their ticket, moderate republicans who don't feel like they like donald trump, i wonder if they will think i can vote for my republican senator and it will give me a license to vote for hillary clinton. up next, the august jobs report is due out in just moments. business before the bell is next.

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it was so sad for so many reasons. welcome back to "morning joe." we are live in washington with rod. this is really a magical moment. >> you calling my wife yoka? >> if i were would it be a problem? >> it would be.

>> you more of a linda guy? i don't even understand. >> get to the script. and now we go to willie. he has been doing an in depth study on taco trucks. >> you joke but i was just talking to our stage manager. i was walking outside right at the corner of 50th and 6th the taco truck. i'm here to report, the invasion is here. no one is safe. >> haven't we gone now full south park with that? at long last we have gone full south park. >> this is full south park. >> there is real news, the august jobs reports, we have breaking news on wall street. what do the numbers look like?

>> reporter: the numbers came in a little lit lighter than economists were looking for. the economy added 151,000 jobs. economists were looking for around 180,000. that was below estimates. the unemployment rate which is clearly going to get a lot of attention, 4.9%. it is unchanged, holding steady. dmi dm some what of a disappointment. on another note, rising 2.4% from a year ago. it was also lighter than last month's number and lighter than what economists were expecting. i do have some positive news. there were revisions to previous months. it turns out july and june were very strong. july provides up to 275,000 and june 271. so take it all together and we are coming off of a very strong

stretch of job growth. august it slowed down a little than we were used to seeing. i have to warn you, august is usually kind of a weak month. usually missing forecasts and often tends to get revised. we'll look for next month's numbers. all eyes are on the federal reserve, whether it will raise interest rates again in september or december. it looks like the market is rallying on the idea that maybe the feds won't raise rates any time soon. >> yeah. it is looking at whether or not to spike the rate. it isn't likely to happen because of that. thank you so much. >> still ahead, he was one of donald trump's top latino supporters until trump's immigration speech. we'll talk to the president of a conservative group who says he no longer can back donald trump. we are back in a moment. ♪

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fifteen percent or more. polo! number one, are you ready? are you ready? we will build a great wall along the southern border, and mexico will pay for the wall. 100%. they don't know it yet but they are going to pay for the wall. >> that was donald trump impro vising a line in his speech after a perceived snub by the president of mexico. we'll explain what happened as trump and top advisers met. both sides agreed on several

points. on one point they agreed to agree to disagree. they decided they would not discuss payment but the president said they would not pay for the wall. trump moved to another topic. he tweeted he had said his country would not pay for the wall and trump decided he couldn't let that tweet go unanswered. he said with the mexican president, i liked him very much. joining us is alfonzo. with us also is margaret

carlson. what did you see in donald trump as a latino in the first place? >> to respond i have to put thing ns context. during the primary i denounced donald trump. i said i wouldn't vote for him. once he becomes the nominee as a conservative who is very afraid of hillary clinton becoming president i felt i had to responsibility of trying to work with the campaign and seeing there was an opening to move donald trump to the sceptcenter immigration. last week there was a real chance he could pivot to the center. jeff sessions and his allies, they worked on that speech and he gave a very lengthy speech that frankly the solution, his hispanic supporters and you have at least six of his hispanic

advisers resigning and i wasn't a part of the board or surrogate but i had to withdraw my campaign. i cannot be part of a message that says we have to return to pre1965 immigration levels. >> so margaret, it is hard to actually follow donald trump because he changes his position literally every 12 hours. he was in mexico and it was soft donald trump and in arizona he was tough donald trump. you know, the next morning he said we are going to soften this up. his position seems to be when he is not in front of a crowd throwing red meat out there that we'll send the bad guys back but we are going to just kind of sit back and wait and see what the

other 10 million or so illegal immigrants do. it's hard to follow. >> it is hard to follow. i don't think he is going to get alfonzo back this time. you know, to see donald trump with that green background that made him look like he was at the united nations, i thought wow, that was a good piece of stage craft there. to see him later explains to me the two donald trumps. do you remember the movie all of me in which his body is posse possessed by lily tomlin? it is going in one direction and then the other. donald trump does that with ease. >> and he love it is roar of the

crowd more than anyone else i have ever seen. >> he gets his aftfirmation fro that. whatever they told him about expanding his message it goes out the window when he hears the crowd scream. >> i think the only reason he got in the race was for the affirmation not to win it. he hasn't giving much thought. >> no. >> i'm curious, who will you vote for in november? >> well, you know, like many americans i'm torn but i'm not going to vote for donald trump or hillary clinton. i think it's very important for lat latinos to come out and vote. >> you vote for a third party. >> or not vote for anyone. >> you go out and you vote. a ballot is a valid vote. it is an expression. you can also write somebody in. i'm not satisfied with gary

johnson or the green party candidate. i think what's important is for latinos to come out and vote. i'm frustrated when i hear from the clinton camp saying the alternative is hillary clinton. i don't trust her in immigration either. we are hearing one party insulting latinos. they know obama had an tun opportunity and didn't do anything. hillary clinton was calling for a immediate removal of minors coming from secentral america. it is a bad choice for america and bad choice for latinos. very difficult election. >> thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. margaret stick around, if you will. if it's sunday, it's willie.

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>> we have dedicated our adult life and your mock k it. you may need to go to church and pray with us. >> we'll be there at the 4:00 a.m. service. >> so you have been a no-show lately. the kids are starting to ask why. >> a lot of those times i'm at the track. harness racing is also my past time. but i have been doing sunday today. i'm hosting kiennd of a new version of the show. equal parts morning show, today show and cbs sunday morning. we talk about the news of the day, dig in, get context and conversation and we also get to do nice long profiles. we can do interviews for seven and a half, eight minutes with celebrities. it's fun. >> new willie?

nay, nay, it's revolutionary. what you're going is going to change the way people watch television. >> good morning and welcome to sunday today. i'm usually on the couch in my sweat pants but i'll be here in my church clothes. a little facebook live chat here? the americans have figured out a different way to toast life. >> completely nude. >> i'm the only fan i need. willie geist says to self in mirror. >> really good stuff! she is ellie kemper.

>> oh, nay. >> the problem lies with the rest of us. >> war humanizes you. it traumatizes me but also enabled me to become a full human being. we have presidential nominees. he caught them, bopped them, kicked them. he loved them. find someone who looks at you the waybill clinton looks at balloons. ♪ >> dreams come true though. eating ice cream with cake. >> nothing wrong with that. >> the power house dancer who made history one year ago. >> i don't think of myself as a celebrity. >> you are. go ahead. >> the former bartender turned

blogger turned espn star. >> i i am getting people to say stuff that afterwards it's like [ bleep ] i shouldn't have said that. >> i'm sorry. i'll teach you a move or two. >> i put a shirt on. >> thank you. it wouldn't have been flattering for me to sit like this. >> i feel honored to be the first of the tour! >> thank you. we'll see you back here next week. enjoy your sunday. >> i absolutely love what you're doing every sunday morning. what do you have this sunday morning? >> thank you. we have john krezenski.

he has written, produced, financing starring in a movie called the hollers. i had a fun time and you'll see it on sunday morning. >> it seems to be a recuring thing. >> i realized watching that there was a theme. i may need to dial it back a little bit. >> maybe that's a good start. all right. tha th thanks so much. can't wait to watch again with willie geist. we'll be right back with more "morning joe." now she writes mostly in emoji. soon, she'll type the best essays in the entire 8th grade. today, the only spanish words he knows are burrito and enchilada. soon, he'll take notes en espanol.

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this was a very preliminary meeting. i think it was an excellent meeting. >> i am going to create a new special deportation task force focused on identifying and quickly removing the most dangerous illegal immigrants in america who have evaded justice. anyone who illegally crosses the border will be detained until it has been detained out of our country from which they came.

>> the line last week, you were softening on immigration and you come out with a pro enforcement plan. where is the softening in. >> we do it in a very humane way. we'll see people that are in the country, i want to get the gang members out and drug peddlers out and drug dealers out. we got a lot of people in this country that you can't have. those people will get out and we'll make a decision at a later date once everything is stabilized. i think you'll see this really quite a bit of softening. >> we need to understand this is a different full-time and we are having problems. >> what problems are you talking about? >> my culture is a very dominant culture. it's imposing and causing problems. if you don't do something you'll

have taco trucks every corner. >> that's a dream to me at least. so, you know, crazy week this week. we were talking around the table earlier that just because donald trump sets his hair on fire when he is talking about immigration doesn't mean he is in the hospital -- he is adopting obama's. >> you have to listen every half hour on the hour to see where his position is. i learned that i am the paul revere of the taco truck invasion. they are coming for us. >> they are coming for us. >> what did you learn today? >> i will miss a lot of good people but i'm not going to miss

the politics. >> we're coming to detroit. >> i will miss you. i will be going to the church of willie geist instead of mass. >> what have you learned today? >> my friend ron and now that we have clarification on immigration from the trump campaign move off of it and start talking about something else. >> okay. what have you learned? >> bill has ruined all of our weekends. i was very happily going to the outer banks and bill popped up. >> and there are very few people that actually adopt the view of what a journalist should be. that is somebody that both sides

view as the enmy. it is somebody when you sit down to interview them they are scared because they know you'll give them the unvarnished truth. ron, he has been a pest for both sides for years now. american journalism is much better for it. >> we'll see you soon. >> thanks. let's send it now to stephanie. >> good morning. breaking overnight, first hurricane in more than a decade, 80 miles per hour winds and a storm surge already left 70,000 people without power. >> we can rebuild a home. we can rebuild a business.