they get the election results. it is amazing and ohio, virginia and colorado and this is the ultimate swing states. they may not be that competitive. thanks for joining us. that doll it for this hour. live on the campus of longwood university and the special prime time coverage begins with "meet the press"daley and that is next. the big event followed by the post debate analysis starts right now. if it's tuesday, tim kaine and mike pence get their first and only chance to square off in a nationally televised debate. >> don't the crash of the running mates. what's at stake for both campaigns. did ril he clinton really get a bounce out of the debate? >> there are only 35 days left. can you believe that? >> what's next for the relations

with russia now that negotiations over syria have broken down again. mtp daily starts right now. good evening from here in new york city we are four hours from the and only vice presidential debate in farmwood, virginia. we will check in in a few minutes and we have to track the monster storm. eight people confirmed dead as hurricane matthew slams the caribbean. as you make landfall around 7:00 a.m. eastern time on haiti. of all countries to be hit. a tough for them to deal with. most homes in this island nation are simply not built to with

stand hurricanes even half this strength. it is the first to hit haiti since 1964. the national hurricane center is projecting parts of haiti to get up to 25 inches of rain and spots of up to 40 inches, but the rain comes mud slights. 650,000 people have been evacuated from that part of the island. the united states navy evacuated 700 family members of personnel that are stationed at guantanamo. rick scott declared a state of emergency and account impact the area as early as friday. the question is does it make landfall or swim it? nicky haley is calling for an evacuation starting tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. south carolina could get slammed

here. the current projection cracking north and west and could follow the entire atlantic coast up until just short of long island. every single projection, just keep an eye on this. they moved slightly west over the last 48 hours. that should have everybody on the east coast a little bit jittery. for more, going to the phone now, from port-au-prince, haiti, this is all i have been thinking about today and can haiti handle the storm? how well can they handle it and how do things look? >> you mentioned that this is an incredibly powerful storm for a country like this to deal with u the most impoverished country and struggling to recover from the massive earthquake six years ago. we are now hearing that a key lead to the southwestern part of the peninsula, that washed away.

it collapsed. now the village is largely cutoff with a full scope of the devastation in the country. they still did not know. the organizations are trying to get in and get as much information as they can. you mentioned hurricane matthew came onshore this morning with the wind of 145 miles per hour. today thankfully here in port-au-prince, the wind and the rain tapers off and we have spoken with people who said they had never seen this much rain. there are raging rivers and mud slice are a concern. the main area of concern that southwestern tip of the island where hurricane matthew made landfall, they still don't know how deep the devastation is there. >> sounds like we may not know for days. i know you have more reportering

to do. thank very much. let's go now to american politics as we go to the one and only vice presidential debate. home turf for tim kaine of course. you are watching the debate and it begins at 9:00 p.m. tonight. how will both nominees handle the biggest days of their lives. we don't envy what either candidate has to do. it's less about themselves. mike pence may have the tougher job. he has to defend trump by a string of controvercies and defend himself on issues where he had at oughts with trump and three, still find a way to do all that and take the fight to clinton and cane if he feels necessary. mostly in focussing on clinton. trump is about to take the stage in arizona where we are told he will get his own preview. we will keep an eye on those remarks and when we hear them, we will share them with you. the cha p challenge is to

normalize trump and kaine will try to steer the conversation back to trump's controversy every chance he gets. the clinton campaign is via a new web act. that is simply a trump clone. with the most controversial statements made about women and david duke and immigration, you name it. whether there is an upside for pence is that trump had more catastrophic stories in the last week and reported a loss of nearly $1 billion in the 90s because he was a successful businessman and avoided paying federal incomes as many as 18 years and income up to a billion dollars. they are ceasing the new york fundrations operation and he may have used the trump foundation to give political donations or

inspired donations to pay for his late presidential run. that could be such a violation, it could be criminal depending on how aggressively someone trying to interpret the law. we didn't mention the alicia machado tweets and violations of sexism on the set of the apprentice or comments on ptsd. that happened since the last debate. that feels like there is an air of absurdity getting to the point mike pence himself was making last night. take a listen. >> it is kind of funny. it's like almost every day they come up with something new and different. now we got him. right? and they think they finally got him and they turn on the television the next morning and donald trump is still standing stronger than ever before and fighting for the american

people. this is really fun to watch. i tell you what. >> here's the other potential upside for pence. he may have the tougher jo job in defending his ticket. but it's basically what mike pence has been doing the entire time he has been on the ticket. tim kaine is stepping into an unfamiliar role of attack dog at the party. he may be asked the question about nasa and talk about that in a second, but let me bring up fat shaming. not the easiest transition to make. the public persona doesn't matchup with what he has to do. mike pence's does. let's bring in the clinton campaign. robbie, let me start with -- i take it you believe this debate if it's not about donald trump, it's not successful for tim kaine? >> i look at it differently than

that. our campaign had the best success when either clinton or kaine had an unfiltered opportunity to talk to the american people about that clear and concrete plan they have to make a difference in people's lives. the compacts that hillary develops to lower the cost of college and make sure that people we hope this is a discussion of the issues. >> something that might come up tonight, i'm sure you were struck by something former president clinton said about health care, specifically obamacare. i want to get your reaction on the other side. >> you have this chasy system where 25 million more people have health care and the people are busting it 60 hours a week

lined up with that cutting in half. >> i know the president did put out a clarification. he said look, they acted a little bit in the efforts to repeal it. they make too much money to qualify for expansion or tax incentive who cannot get affordable premiums to a lot of places. if the former president and secretary clinton on different pages when it comes to obamacare? >> not at all. i'm glad you asked this question. secretary clinton put out proposals to help our small businesses afford health care for the employees.

again, this is another example where hillary has a clear and concrete proposal. donald trump is a rip away from obamacare. they put up early in 20 million americans up in the air and benefits like children being on their parents's insurance until they are 26 and preventive care. all of that out the window. i hope people will look to fix this problem and recognize the complete lack of clarity to address what they were talking about. >> you make this quite a bit you are running on a traditional campaign and put out the great proposals and yes, it's not even close at how many you put out versus how many the trump campaign put out. >> why hasn't this mattered to more voters? the end of the day, it hasn't mattered to a large chunk of

voters and maybe it's not enough to cost you the election and maybe it is, but why do you think voters have ignored this issue? have they lost so much that they don't believe any plan you put out? >> i think it's important to recognize that any candidate from the major two parties are going to meet a threshold of support. i think you are starting to see since the debate you talked about earlier, how more and more voters are coming over and not just republican leaning ypts, but they realize what donald trump has. they are working hard to earn everyone's support. they will see a lot more coming our way. >> let me ask you one quick

question about the state of the race. do you believe that the race has moved up and down over the last month or do you think that too much polling has created the illusion of movement because we are right where we are today is where we were a month ago. did it matter what happened in between? >> this is a great question. >> these have been all over the place. yeng the race has been that volatile. i think that every time secretary clinton had a chance in an unfiltered way to speak to the american people about her plan we saw that in the next two. we will do better and better and they will have the numbers.

we are working to turn out every voter we can. >> thank you very much. we will hear from the other side in a few minutes. we are trying to get the mike issues done and we are bringing in the panel a little bit early. and a former clinton speech writer. this is pretty good. >> can i weigh in on the business about what has moved the voters more? in that case let's talk about the new york giants yesterday. >> why do you think the needle doesn't move? >> they always wait. at this stage in the campaign, they begin to pay attention. we have been excited about this for more than a year.

about next week sometime, couples will go over what he said, what donald trump said and what the other candidates said and how it affects me. what about the health care bill and he doesn't have one. it really comes at the end. what they think is in their best interest. >> you are giving the optimism. i hope you are right that we are thinking about way. >> it's very impressionistic. because of the constant assault going on. at the end of the day, people want to know and a lot of small business want to know how is it going to affect my kids. they have to look at the deta s

details. >> clinton represents years of barack obama. it should be years and it should be a breath of fresh air. trump has strong negatives because of this a well. people don't want to the status quo. you don't see the ground swell support for clinton even though she is much more palatable. >> two forces coming at each other and there is this no, i don't know if i want this changed. >> donald trump's strongest in the debate was the first few minutes when he made the status quo argument. >> what is strong for her and for kaine today is that the controversy is about tax avoidance.

they are very hard to breakthrough mourners favored obamacare and we are opposed to it. i'm one of the american who is lost my doctor when i shifted. there are many people who feel the same way. >> that are comment from bill clinton, in a normal campaign, this would be a huge deal. this issue will be more front and center.

many people do like obamacare. it creates a system where they are getting poor doctor care and the networks with that because of obamacare. >> somebody walked in with a card for the first time in their life. the hospital is hurting much more than the people at the bottom. >> as a matter of political reality, a lot of people like it

and benefitted from. we need to fix it. let's get together to fix it. they care about this and i wonder if trump can't take advantage of it. he takes advantage of what he wants for health care. the universal or whatever. >> a lot of conservatives like me, we didn't like that he was pro socialized medicine. where does that leave us? >> if we are debating health care, that's a win for mike pence. it's about issues and policy rather than donald trump's negatives. that's not what they are there to do. they are there to reassure the country that it's okay and not to make mistakes.

they are proving that they are presidential. let's pause there. we are less than four hours from the debate at longwood university and a lot more to cover. keep it here and get the perspective from the other side of things. stick with us. we'll be right back.

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he just shared his thought on the comments and i will be talking with a trump supporter and be back with more on "mtp daily"

. >> the debate will be a contrast between our campaign of big inside and bold solutions for tomorrow versus the small and petty clinton campaign that is totally stuck in the past.

>> giving his preview we know what the goal is and let's start with on one hand he has to normalize trump after one of the most abnormalized history in the history of any candidate. how tough of a job do you think that is?

that was a lifeline. if he takes the obamacare comments and talks about double the treatment numbs and half for the millennials who come into the false pride. they can get momentum going here. that's the immediate task. the much larger task is flip flop the right way to go after

kaine because mike pence had a flip flop on tpp and said the time has come to split the adoption. he voted to authorize the war and thinks indiana has benefitted from nafta. the point is, is flip flopping the right thing to go at when that's a problem for every running mate who accepted the number two position from a presidential nominee. and two 30s of america wants a big change. we are the people who do this and he hads to pay attention to floater.

and if this is what the republican party wants, nancy would vote for hrc. and they would be an outspoken conservative and that would go to ron reagan. coming from michael. >> michael reagan is a friend of mine and when he speaks on behalf of the first lady, that is credible. they are not fully on board as he approaches this second debate. mike pence is so ronald reagan. >> some say he is sort of -- you

can tell he adopted the cadence or tried to over the years. and consider the reaganites who are out there. you are better off with us and with change in america with a bold and bright colored donald trump. double the premium and half the coverage. i love that. >> should be interesting to watch because i think mike pence and tim kaine had a lot of different paths to go down. still ahead, everyone is saying hillary clinton got a boost in the poll. do they shift as much as the polls anyway?

>> where is this race right now? we will dive into that and first here's today's cnbc market wrap. >> the dow losing points and the s&p down 11 points. google unveiled the pixel phones and the pixel will retail for $649 and you can preorder it in the u.s. reuters reporting they secretly searched customer e-mails for specific information provided by u.s. intelligence. they said they comply with the laws of the united states. that's it for cnbc's first in business worldwide.

hillary clinton is taking questions from reporters. >> i'm really proud of how seriously he has take 19 preparation. we are going to keep e-mailing. i don't want to interrupt his rhythm by calling. i will talk to him after his over. he sent me a great assessment of my performance in the first debate that i found right on the mark and helpful. with respect to the o fordable care act, we have to fix what's broken and keep what works. that's exactly what we are going to do. i am committed to making sure that people retain coverage that they can afford. that is going to require taking on premium costs and deductibles and prescription drug casts. it is challenging to try to make sure that this important step towards providing insurance for

every american is fixed and not repealed which is the republican position. it's challenging when you have somebody like donald trump talking about doing away with the affordable care act and turng the system back over to insurance companies which was not just -- i want to stress this. i'm not sure every one of your readers or viewers understands. what that mean sts not just that the 20 or 21 million people on the exchanges would lose their coverage. if you repeal the affordable care act, every american who is insured through your employer will all of a sudden go back to the days when insurance companies could deny you health care because of preexisting conditions. where you have lifetime limits. where young people would not be able to afford coverage where now they can stay on their parent's policies until age

26ment all that was and more is a part of the o fordable care act. it affects about 195 to 200 million americans. people need to pay attention when trump said he will get rid of it and turn it back to the insurance companies and one of the strangest things he has said and there is a long litany and he told the interviewer i don't care if china sells our insurance policies. imagine getting approval for your drugs by calling beijing. there is so much he doesn't understand or care about. we will tackle it and fix it, but it's a heck of a lot more than starting from scratch which is what the republicans want us to do. >> can we take more questions? of pa. >> preparing for a debate, can

you tell us about what you learned from your first debate with donald trump and how you will prepare for the next one. >> i learned that preparation is important which is something i have known because i have done a lot of debates because i have gone back to the senate years. i learned that it's important to keep in mind what your objectives are. what you are trying to demonstrate tens of millions of people who are watching. this will be different because this is a town hall format. it takes a different approach. you are dealing with people who i think are undecided voters who will be selected by the network to be there. it's important that you listen to their questions and try your best to answer them. i'm going to do everything i can to get prepared and be ready on sunday night. thank you all very much.

>> we caught it at the tail end and most importantly is her spin on obamacare and the comments. you used to write words that bill clinton had as a speech writer. you have been through this before when bill clinton any time would argue with this gasp and accidentally speaking the truth about the biggest flaw. >> you didn't always deliver them. >> this is one of the things where people aumed he was such a genius. sometimes he said what he thinks. the consequences are not always what are expected. this could potentially help in the sense that hillary clinton

is not barack obama and people want to have somebody to fix health care. she has a lot of experience on it. i'm sure the debate is not something they want to respond to it, but there are days not to make it unvarnished. >> if this happened in the primary, good night. this would have been a disaster. because this is the general, this is a way that the country does not like the affordable care act. >> bernie sanders didn't like it either. >> they had a virtue of being crude. that's above and in the middle because it's not working. they are bailing out and premiums have gone way up and supports don't know what to do. they can't afford them because they are not coming in with enough to cover it. my guess is this will play out to some degree. >> it's a new piece of information. >> it's a new piece of information but she did a good

job of saying we have to fix it. >> we know she has never been fully all in on obamacare. from the beginning. they have been in the mandate that was her idea. >> it was a jerry rigged system from the beginning. it didn't have the clarity of her plan where you had a health scare card and that didn't pass. i don't know that it's as much of a disaster and a lot of people benefitted them and you think that the undertaking freezes and the challenges. >> the functional from the get go. it has been a disaster. that's where you can trace the autopsy. >> how many emergency rooms have you gone to and they have --

this is preor post. >> they had someone they came for and people had confidence at that end of it. from here on up. >> from the lower end, there was a study with every analysis and people with medicate and without medicate. there was no differential in terms of outcomes. >> when was the last time you were in an emergency room? >> i don't know. >> let me wrap it up with more on these people. you have more of a political discussion in this respect. every senate race, republicans have been looking for an issue that allows them to

differentiate themselves not to have to deal with trump. obamacare has been one of those issues. here's bill clinton basically the godfather and you can make a case saying what he said. this is where i feel like it will have an actual impact. >> that could be right, but i'm not sure it's terribly different. i'm sure they all have an answer of if we voted for it. the republicans are obstructionists and let's working to to keep what works and prove it and take what doesn't work. i'm not sure it changes it that much, but let's see after the ads. >> i think the other important thing is we never heard from the republicans this is how we would fix it. all we hear is we will blow it up. >> in terms of conservatives, bill kline with the examiner wrote a book about this.

>> this is has been the issue. that's the problem. there is hadn'ts and not one. more mtp daily after this.

>> national polls show the survey monkey. what is interesting is where the race was in early september, preseptember 11th and the fall of that health incident with secretary clinton and where we are today. she was plus four then and plus six now. we see clinton's lead somewhere in that same change. four points at cbs and points at cnn. the question is this. is the race stable or did it have a whole lunch of movement or not? let's bring in larry real quick. nots much time as i planned. my apologies there. breaking news from hillary clinton. is this -- was there movement over the last four weeks or was this more of movement by the pollsters depending on how they viewed a likely voter model? >> that's the best point.

what you just said. the second point which is that probably there was a lot less movement than appeared to be in the polls. we learned over the years through research in polling that often when a party or candidate goes down it's because the part sans of that candidate are disappointed or unhappy or depressed for some reason and they respond to the pollsters's calls or online requests less often. it's an odd phenomenon of polling. personally we talked about this and i think hillary clinton had a natural lead since june of three, four, five points. somewhere in that vicinity and that's what she is back to now. >> i'm not a big fan of averaging the national polls, but i like the idea of what they do. they include too many

questionable pollsters. i get it. if you just usethem, it's interesting. look at the lack of movement that there has been in the average and it was in the three to four range in july and in june. we are in the three to four range now. the only way this moves is if they decide to stay home? >> yeah. if the partisans of one side and we know they will never move. i'm talking about the other layer of republicans who have come on board and decided to support trump or something that we have a hard time with. a clinton lead of threure four, five points that would produce a

good margin. >> three points might be right at 300 and five points to 330. larry, bring us sensibility with all of this. always a pleasure, sir. thank you.

as the clock ticks down to tonight's vice presidential debate, the panel is back with me, tom, michael, and carrie. tom, again, in a normal presidential year, i've said this -- >> there is no such a thing. >> i understand that. i understand that. but on sunday, i think the lead story on a normal year, in this lead circuit from the candidates would have been their foreign policy surrogates. what is happening right now in syria, what is happening in russia, these are not small things, these are giant things. i mean, we have the clearest

sign of the renewal of the cold war than we've ever had before. and will this get, what, five minutes tonight? >> it's a human tragedy, what's going on in the middle east. i mean, this is a country that's taken in refugees from around the world for as long as we've been a country. and we've responded, you know, in africa, when the great drought was there, that gave rise to, we are the world, remember that? the whole country got swept away. and so did the whole universe for that matter. we have a big hand in what's happening there right now. we're not the only ones. there are a lot of players, but those poor people, who have been displaced by war and by famine and by no home that they can count on. >> and many don't know who their allies are right now. they don't know who the enemy is, who the ally is. but i want to go to the rest of the situation. normally, you would say that outparty could take advantage of this situation. that basically, it looks like the russian relationship is totally in flames. >> especially since it was hillary clinton with the big red reset button that was supposed to, you know, be kumbaya. >> but does mike pence have an

extra challenge tonight, because the top of the ticket wants to be friendly every with putin, which doesn't seem to be where the country wants to go. >> absolutely. and that's the problem with me as a conservative. many of us are probably going to be staying home or voting for someone like gary johnson or evan mcmullen, because we say a pox on both houses. on the one hand, you have hillary clinton accepting millions of dollars of donations from despots, people who, you know, regimes that are killing gays and killing -- having no respect for women's rights. he's getting donations to her foundation. and you have donald trump on the other side, who his campaign manager, formerly, is in the pocket of ukrainian dictators and loves putin. so i think the people are incredibly frustrated, especially my generation, the millennials. a lot of us, we, we're going to stay home. >> this renewal of the cold war. it just strikes me -- to go back, the same question i had to carrie, this should be in the republican ticket's wheelhouse. >> whatever script writer wrote this episode, it was implausible. you have the cover of "time"

magazine, how putin is trying to interfere in the american election. we just learned in the last day or two additional attempts to hack into voter registration databases and other things. it's utterly bizarre. and i think it's true, although it's kind of hard to process how strangely supportive of putin donald trump has been. and i'm sure mike pence, one of the things i'm sure tim kaine will want to do is where there's some division between the top and bottom of the ticket, i'm guessing this is up with of those areas where he can push hard and push back. >> so there's the russian thing. i want to go back to the syria question, which is, that's what makes this, to me, more important to force these people, these candidates, to debate this issue, because there's no easy answer. and i want to know -- >> at all. >> and i want to know, how are they going to go through the think of what to do on syria. >> i had a long discussion with someone i'm very close to today on what's going on there and the impact it will have on obama's legacy. and i think moving the red line, calling it isil, a third rate --

>> the jv team. >> right. i think that thawas very consequential. these are big issues that are going to stay there. and it's not consequential about just what's going on right there, it's about how the world has been realigned, quite honestly. we're not dealing with sovereign nations anymore, we're dealing with this kind of terrorist thing. and those terrorists are moving, by the way, into central asia. they're tucking right up against russia. and when trump said that he has 82% approval rating, my line was, the other 18% were on their way to the gulag. i mean, you know, it doesn't work that way in russia. >> i had somebody describe syria to me some day will be, at best, the equivalent of what clinton felt about rwanda, one of his great regrets was rwanda. that obama will have regrets about a lot of things having to do with syria. tom, michael and carrie, tom, i will see you a lot tonight as we cover this vice presidential debate. we will be right back, though.

that's all we have for tonight. stay with msnbc for full coverage leading up to the live telecast of the one and only vice presidential debate at 9:00 p.m. eastern, followed by post-debate analysis from our team, chris hayes, who is always in the twilight of the elites, takes over right now. mr. hayes, it's all yours. >> good evening from longwood university in