that will do it for this hour. mtp daily starts right now. if it's tuesday, we will take you in the trump campaign as the nominee launches a series of attacks against fellow republicans. tonight donald trump strikes back in the gop civil war with swift retaliation against speaker paul ryan. plus new details on the drip, drip, drip e-mail scandal and why republicans have noplace to hide. this is mtp daily and it starts right now. good tuesday evening. i'm peter alexander in washington, d.c. for my friend, chuck todd. donald trump said the shackle ares off as he targets his party

in a vintage trump tweet storm. we have brand-new polls post debate. these are the new numbers as well as the republican party that is tearing itself apart. trump and house speaker paul ryan. the republican party. moments ago, kelly o'donnell and they spoke with the running mate and took at shot at speaker ryan. at least seemed to acknowledge a party in turmoil. >> paul ryan is my friend, but i respectfully disagree with his focus in this campaign. i think we should let trump be trump. >> is the party in crisis? >> i think the country is in a lot of trouble. >> but republicans are fighting republicans. >> i don't find myself thinking about party right now. >> here's what makes trump's tweet storm and pence's knock on ryan so puzzling. it appears to have slop stopped the bleeding and trump is

turning on his party. according to the news survey monkey, voters say clinton won, but that was an improvement from the first debate that he lost by 31 points. a purnl poll is new in the field yesterday. after the debate has trump down points against clinton in a-way matchup. trump was down 11 points before the debate. it's the same story and the two-way race. he is down seven. that again is a big improvement. he was down 14 points before sent night's debate. these numbers come from a smaller sample than usual because they were only there for a single day. the top lead is nine points. that's over the course of the three days. they seem to confirm the initial take away. trump lost, but won big by going nuclear on clinton.

then the tweet storm against his party. despite winning the second debate in a land slight, every poll, it's hard to do when paul ryan and others gives zero support. he lost all polls we have seen. then the floodgates open again and paul ryan had a bad conference call where the members went wild at disloyal disloyaltidisloyalt disloyalties. they are far more difficult than crooked hillary. they come at you from all sides. they don't know how to win. i will teach them. and then this. with the exception of cheating out of the dems, they have proven to be far more loyal than the republicans. we will have more on that later. this appearing to be pent up anger for truchg. it is so nice that the shackles have been taken off me and i can fight for america the way i want to. paul ryan fired back in a

sharply written reduke. paul ryan is focusing on defeating democrats and all republicans running for office should probably do the same. let's bring in the panel. april ryan has american urban radio network. michael steel with the press secretary for the former press secretary. the president and ceo of latino and msnbc contributor. nice to see all of you with us. right off the bat, donald trump staunched the bleeding as it were. it was a better base that was satisfied. and the new poll said basically, republicans should stick with this guy. we like this guy. why is he going after them in this way and effectively increasing the fut within the party? >> if donald trump loses to hillary clinton, it's because donald trump lost. the establishment republicans were not anything else.

he lost an utterly winnable race. >> the message should be good change. he clearly hasn't put a good messenger for that, but he needs a base and you need republicans in general and more than just the republicans. >> this tweet storm with the coordination are a major scandal and instead we are talking about trump tower and magic thumbs. >> i think part is it demonstrates the fact that he is not a polished republican. he needs to expand with women and instead of going after that, he is preparing his next stage. what am i going to do after the election? we are starting to see that his team knows they lost. it's more like what am i going to do now and i recognize that i'm going to give hillary

clinton a presidency a heck of a hard time. >> this paradox, there are career-ending consequences no matter which way the villains and vulnerable republicans and house and senate go. if you stick with trump, you may hear about it. if you break with trump and the base, how is paul ryan handling this? >>. >> the tell tale sign of how paul ryan is handling this which is very good is the fact that how many candidates did donald trump rally with? how many do you rally with in his time in the primary and when he came the nominee? that is telling you something right there. this was a term that maybe i can swallow kind of thing, but paul ryan understands he can't salvage this and he is his own worst enemy and they tried to help him save himself, but that has not work and he is trying to save the ship and democrats are feeling they have a chance to win a lot of house and senate

seats. this is going against all tradition. >> and this is behind closed doors. what he is trying to do is not to make sure there is encroachment. >> that's his job. >> how long can ryan stick with trump in this situation? his integrity is on the line. we pulled this up. he withdraw his support in 2012 after commends were made about women. some girls, they rape so easy. in that situation, paul ryan said i'm not going stick with this guy. these k34e7b9s are different, but he was condoning or saying he had been involved in sexual assaults. how low can you go? >> i think the speaker is reserving the right to do more than what he feels is appropriate. he is focused as he should be entirely on doing what's right for his members. trump is very popular and there

are members that endorsed him enthusiastically. there are others who are uncomfortable and what they need to do is run their own campaigns and the campaigns that are right for their district and do what is determined by their conference. >> that rallies the base and made made what is appreciated and goes after hillary clinton. they come out with a new ad. here's part of it. >> hillary clinton failed every single time as secretary of state. now she wants to be president. hillary clinton doesn't have the fortitude, strength or stamina to lead in our world. she failed as secretary of state. don't let her fail us again. >> highlighting moments where she was coughing and stumbling at the 9/11 memorial or she appears weak. he said this is about stamia na?

effective or not? >> i will say this. for those who hate hillary clinton who knows a lot of his base have a dislike for her, that will work. at the last debate and the first, that was not the hillary clinton. we didn't see her with the glasses and trying to stable herself. she is a strong woman. stability is an issue when it comes to her health or his health, but that's not who we saw. i think this video for those who dislike her will ring true, but for others it rings hollow. >> what he needed on the last two debates and before the sdandal was to apologize and two, get republican women to vote for him. that said she is a working woman. you are going after her for that and being human. it's hard.

she has a record whether it's e-mails or repeated failures of judgment and a pretty anemic record as the senator from new york. there is no need to go into this area that she is suffering secret low from a debilitating illness. >> when you come to the e-mails and donald trump brings that up. that's against the law. people are not talking about this. >> it used to be a republican and you guys respect him very much and he even found there was nothing wrong with what he did. the fact that she mishandled the e-mail. >> it was a serious error in judgment as everyone acknowledges and the revelations involve the clinton campaign coordinating with the obama justice department. >> how much of that is russia?

>> you guys stay with us. thanks to you. i want to go to steve king of iowa who is joining us. thanks for being with us. >> thanks for having me on. >> help us understand the trump strategy. he scored up the base by going after hillary clinton and did it well. a lot of people agree. he was strong again. why start a war with his own party? >> i would say that whether he started a war with his own party and looked to me -- >> why continue a war with them? >> he has that happen when he is not done with the battle he finishes and moves on. it takes him a day or two to get that done. he started it and he needed to be on that stage and needed to have a good performance and he did. it's a unanimous decision over hillary clinton, but he lost the bounce he should have had when

the conference call came in. they learned or speaker was not going to campaign for donald trump nor defend him. >> it took away his bounce. did you think your speaker is a weak and effective leader as donald trump said? >> i wouldn't go so far as to say that. paul ryan's intentions are good. my relationship with him has been good. i think this was a wrong move to make and it divides the party instead of unifies it and almost sacrifices the presidency and he has to rebuild in the four weeks that are left. >> do you think donald trump is wrong in calling him weak and ineffective? >> what it means is i have a good relationship with paul ryan and i want to keep it and ex-panot it. if i disagree, he respects me and i respect him and we ought to be able to say what we think. >> will you vote for paul ryan as the new speaker in the new

session? >> i don't know the answer to that at this point. we will have to see how the election plays out and what might be happening. again, i'm not working against paul ryan. i have been supportive of him. he serves up a difficult task and now he needs to chart his own course. this is no longer the course that john boehner started for him. >> par scold some for distancing themselves from trump. is there nothing that trump could say or do that would cost him your support? >> the same question applies to the supporters of hillary clinton. i don't know what he might have said that will show up on the tape. i know this. what came out in that audio tape, but it's pictures with an audio tape. that is not nearly as bad as what we have seen from the clintons over decades. actions verdict words, it is an easy decision. we have a constitution to protect. >> just because of that, why does it matter that it was just

audio and we didn't see his face saying it? >> he doesn't dispute it and i don't either, but for example, there is no videotape of hillary clinton being interviewed. there is no audio tape and no tribute. there are sketchy notes. that's a lot bigger deal and we should not let the nation be caught up in a statement that no one will defend versus the actionings of the violations that are clear that hillary clinton submitted. >> don't why so many colleagues are fleeing donald trump and the behavior and past talk of grabbing women with sexual assault even though he said he never sexually assaulted anybody? >> i understand that some of them want to save themselves and distance themselves and they think if they do that, they are more likely to be reelected and have a stronger majority in the house and hole majority in the senate. i need to remind them that they

are joined at the hip with our nominee. as his numbers go down, their numbers go down. they can go together than we are to be divided. republicans decided that they want donald trump as their quarterback and we ought to be looking at this and say i'm going to block for you and if i need to pitch in, i will pitch in. we need to go and if not, i think we will be thinking separately and that's where the disagreement is. >> the shackles are off, donald trump said. does trump think he has run a restrained campaign than the problems for him? >> maybe by donald trump standards, he has. we will have to find out on that. he has gone beyond what anybody expected a year and a half ago when we brought him in to iowa. a lot of people thought he had

no chance. >> how about your standards? by yours? >> here's what i would say. there was not a lot of high expectations for the ability to succeed in the debate on sunday night. he walked out a lonely man and walked off the stage victory yaus by every measure. we don't know what he is capable of doing, but he has risen to the challenges and we will see what his strategy is going forward. i want a strong leader that allows us to pass a conservative a jentda and that's what america wants and they should not be blinded by the trump tape that seems to be sweeping the nation. be objective and make the right decisions for america. >> you said clinton is somebody i can work with. it's not donald trump. you can accomplish not your agen agenda, but you can work with hillary clinton. >> i know i can work with donald

trump, but what i'm referring to is once a year, i was required by law to sit down and discuss the refugee status. >> once a year? >> that's my experience. it may be more than that. what could happen is no press in the room and no staff in the room, we can talk business. i remember being amazed by that. there was a sell where we could do numbers that fashion. i'm not going to declare war on anybody who might be the next president of the united states. we have a country to run together. choices are clear, if we will restore the constitution, the choice is donald trump. >> no matter what size you go on, we appreciate it very much. coming up, hillary clinton making her pitch to millennial voters and another round of leaked e-mails raises new questions. you are watching "mtp daily"

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she is facing new questions following more of what wikileaks said or nbc news has not authenticated these documents. among them is a note from the now interim dnc chair that was sent when she was a cnn contributor the day before hillary clinton planned to join a town hall. they wrote a note to clinton's director of communications with the question about the death penalty. the subject of the e-mail was from time to time, i get the questions in advance. the clinton campaign responded to the hackings and said donald trump has once again cheered on russian hacking after he willfully misrepresented at the debate that hacking may not be happening. cnn said we have never ever given a town hall question to anyone beforehand. the democratic official told cnn that they would cent paid contributors questions for panel

discussions. brazil would reach out to both clinton and sanders campaigns to help with her reporting and the commentary and this had nothing to do with the forum or debate question. they released their own statement saying as it pertains to the cnn debates, i never had access to questions and would never have shared them with the candidates if i did. kasie hunt wrapped up a few minutes ago and kristen welker who has been following the clinton team and along the shores of the east river in brooklyn. the clinton campaign statement on the hack seemed to focus on donald trump and russia. have you heard anything else from the clinton team? they haven't authenticated that i understand. >> they haven't authenticated the hacked e-mails. this is how they have been responding to these hacks. by the way, this is the second

round of releases. wikileaks said they have about 50,000 documents in total. they are bracing for more potential hacks. they are really trying to put the attention back on donald trump. the fact that you have the u.s. government saying that russia is trying to interfere in the u.s. election and that donald trump won't acknowledge that russia is behind these hacks and ty are calling on donald trump to condemn russia over this and reveal any ties he might have to russia. that is their strategy in terms of dealing with this and trying to turn the page. they are stressing the point you made which is that they could reach timeout to get guidance ahead of the town hall event and the fact that she never endorsed either candidate. no doubt that this is a political problem potentially for secretary clinton at the moment she opened up a lead in

the polls. >> the american airline schultz and i want to follow-up and ask about another exchange where brian fallon, the press secretary for the clinton campaign said doj folks inform me that there is a status hearing. if somebody is notifying about a document that is filing that report. they said this was filed tonight. what are the implications of a figure and the spokesman being in communication with justice officials? >> it's an optics problem. they are not commenting again. they're stressing a couple of points. one that the e-mail was not verifying, but the date of this was marked two months before the fbi investigation opened up. the white house not commenting

and stressing that there was no interference in the doj investigation. we have outside expert who is said it wouldn't be abnormal to have this where they want to leak in as it pertains to the e-mails. this is a political problem because these hacks are ongoing. the "new york times" reporting and i will give you an example of why it's an ongoing issue. this is clinton's public struggle in defining her politics and reasons for wanting to become president. that occurring in the primary process. it's raising a lot of questions for the clinton campaign as again she is getting there. >> that point to underscore the idea that she is struggling to get the enthusiasm she needs and millennials. the significance today from our generation that remember the year 2000.

not as clear for young millennials. al gore's appearance and climate change a big topic and he called himself exhibit a and the reason why you need to vote. by barely losing that state. what was the reaction there in florida? >>. >> i have to say it was jarring to see al gore back up on stage on the campaign trail in florida. it felt like a real throw back in the room. the crowd was mixed. there were people who clearly would have remembered what happened in 2000 and several people in the crowd started chanting you won, meaning you won the state of florida and therefore if he had in the end won here, he would have won the election. they said al gore does not represent the strategy and it's

not the only piece of what they are trying to do to get millennials excited. i saw at least one voter under 25 who said al gore and i took a selfie with al gore. i was surprised that she was so enthusiastic. >> was she enthusiastic about him as a former candidate for president? or was it the climate change guru thing? >> it's the climate change, i think, that has a lot of younger people engaged. that's an nsh any of the polling, younger voters are focused on that. that's where they see value in having al gore do that. she gave an extended set of remarks as well. i was reminded as to why everyone thought eventual george w. bush was a better campaigner than al gore, but the focus on policy fit.

hillary clinton was focused on it. it's similar in that regard. >> kristin and case, thank you both very much. still ahead, republicans locked in tight races for the split in the top of the 60. how it breaks down on the fight to maintain control of the u.s. senate. stay tuned. americans are buying more and more of everything online. and so many businesses rely on the united stas postal service to get it there. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the united states postal service. priority: you sureor put themhave ston a rack.e tires. but the specialists at ford like to show off their strengths: 13 nambrands. all backed by our low price re guarantee. ah, we're strongwhen it comess right now ring the big ti event, get a $140 rebate by mail on four select tires.

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>> i do not see a scenario where a finger would be on the button. >> did you support the idea of donald trump's finger on the button until this past weekend? >> i did because i was supporting the nominee of the party. i will continue with the nominee of the party becomes responsibilities and also authorities. >> john mccain defending his new position on donald trump at the senate debate in arizona. the republican is one of six gop senate candidates in competitive races who are not supporting the nominee. they all dropped trump in the wake of the lewd 2005 comments from "access hollywood." pennsylvania's pat toomey was undecided before it came out and announced today he would not endorse trump. mark kirk never backed him. six others are sticking with trumped which aring his former primary foe marco rubio who said

he wished he had a better choice for president but he is voting for trump to keep hillary clinton out of the white house. even the senators who distanced themselves from trump are still open to attacks. check out the ad for new hampshire governor who is challenging the incumbent with the senator. >> would you tell a child to aspire to be like donald trump and point to him as a role model. >> absolutely i would do that. >> i would look her right in that fat ugly face. >> i would start kissing her like a magnet. when you air star, they let you do anything. >> do you treat women with respect? >> i can't say that. >> would i point to him as a role model. >> absolutely i would do that. >> the center for politics at the university of virginia and the keeper of the crystal ball. nice to see you.

>> the candidates are damned if they do and damned if they don't. the career ending consequences and mccain left trump and they are still getting attacked by both sides. mccain ax tacked by trump. attacked for previously supporting him. how do you cast this excruciating dilemma with republicans right now? >> peter, i think the nub of it is actually the get out the vote effort. how is it exactly that these senate candidates get out people who will vote for them and not vote for trump and alternately get out the trump 19 of supporters who may be mad at them and get their race? it's a major complication for a party's get out the vote efforts. somebody has to decide which races take priority and think we kind of know it will be the senate and house races rather than the presidential race. this is a complication democrats

don't have. they have a unified ticket and if you know somebody is going to vote for clinton and going to vote for the candidates for senate. >> the senate candidates they knew have no places to hide because they have debates, many of them this week and i think north carolina is thursday. it's back up in front of the cameras again. they can't say nothing like paul ryan or not updating their position. all 12 of the closest races are basically on record now. what challenge does that pose? you saw the way john mccain tried to handle it and you can decide for yourself if that works. >> basically it all creates tv ads for the democratic opponents. that's what the debates are useful for. if you are going to pick something out of the debate, it's probably going to be the nub of the problem for republicans this year which is division about donald trump. >> trump is really consumed in

the senate campaigns. big stories and this has been the last several days in indiana. they have been trumped with the opposition. here is pat toomey. take a listen. >> i think pennsylvania voters are easily capable of distinguishing between donald trump and pat toomey. we are very differently people. >> this gets back to the point we were making that the question is not whether they know the difference, but whether they are sufficiently satisfied by or the other to show up at all. >> we live in a very they split

as 10% of the party and some states it was lower than that. that's what they have to worry about. >> how do you see it ending up? >> it depends on hillary clinton's margin. if she moves upward and it's by eight, nine, 10%. if this tightens up and ends up being a two or three-point margin, that won't be enough. in that 5 to 7 range, they may settle back to it. nice to see you, larry. thank you. park are still ahead, leaders are losing faith in donald trump. why his comments are not a laughing matter for late night comedians. you are watching "mtp daily"

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blatant immorality. this past week the latest though surely not the last caused many to reconsider supporting him. this is disheartening, but it comes awfully late. he compares the legacy of the trump presidency to king david saying it is grievous to imagine and conservative writer eric erickson had powerful and personal words in an essay in which he expresses regret for not streaking out strongly sooner and said he only hopes that children now know winning is not everything. trump has a lot of support from evangelical christians and likes to tout that e vend gel cals love me. he is at 60% and clinton at 30. do you first of all -- what is

striking to me is how supporters of the community largely had been sticking with trump in the more prominent evangelicals. this was striking and said the bible refers to a man like donald trump as a fool. like do. >> i think that it's been amazing throughout this process, how people of faith have stuck with donald trump. i'm not evangelical, i'm an episcopali episcopalian, but his words and deeds seem to me the exact opposite of the christian teachings that i learned in sunday school. >> what do you make of this moment right now for the republican party. you've got the evangelical community in part speaking out to donald trump, trump going after house speaker paul ryan. can the party survive a moment like this? >> the evangelical movement was more or less the base of the republican party and ensured that they are constantly getting to the senate and they need them in order to get to the white house. and it's interesting, when chaffetz came out over the weekend and was asked, who did

you -- who did you ask in the party before you basically unendorsed donald trump, he said, no one. he didn't call the chairman, he didn't call the campaign, he didn't call the speaker. and it just demonstrates right now, it's full anarchy. it's every person for themselves. the republican party right now, what they should be doing is unendorsing donald trump, unequivocally. because in order to get to the white house, you actually need to embrace the changing landscape of america. and that is latinos, that is the lbgt, that is single women, that is african-americans, they can't win. and ryan, i think, is realizing this a little too late. >> here's the running mate, mike pence, a short time ago. here's some sound from a town hall that he participated in. take a listen. >> for me, personally, if hillary clinton the gets in, i, myself, i'm ready for a revolution, because we can't have her in -- >> yeah, don't say -- >> he says, no, don't say that. in other words, we don't want a revolution right now, but what is your reaction to some trump supporters who feel that way

right now. if donald trump doesn't win this thing, he has unearthed a lot of anger in this country, and a lot of people's dissatisfaction who doesn't just dissolve and go away. >> you know, president obama says this nation is not as divided as some people would like to believe, but there is a definite divide. donald trump and some of his rhetoric, starting off with barack obama and the birther issue, and then talking about the wall, has created a chasm. and then this issue with the police versus the community. i mean, it's so many different things. we've got a list and i know i'm missing so many pieces. but there is a divide. and donald trump talked early on about a revolt. he talked about anger. he talked about, you know, let's have a riot. he talked about these things. so he put the words out there. and going back to the bible, the bible talks about, as a man speaketh, as is he. not only that, he is a walking

contradiction in every sense of the word. when he gets his way, everything is fine, but when he doesn't, people remember those old things that he said. >> but these divisions i think in large part are fueled by fear right now, on both sides. donald trump has a new ad calling hillary clinton dangerous, showing pictures of isis and terrible things happening around the world. hillary clinton about trump, told "the new york times," i'm the last thing that stands between you and the apocalypse. >> but she's not dealing in fear. she's basically saying, these are his words. let's not forget, he's been going after our institutions of checks and balances. he has gone after reporters for trying to keep him honest. he's gone after federal judge, judge curiel, when he said, i don't like the way you're prosecuting. when i'm in the oval office, i'm going to use personal vendettas. and recently he said, i'm going to jail a political opponent. >> that was just this weekend. >> michael, go ahead. >> let's remember, the country is extremely frustrated with washington. >> two-thirds of americans say we're on the wrong track. >> no person personifies the

washington establishment more than hillary clinton. former first lady, senator, secretary of state. this is a person who came to washington straight out of law school and has, other than a brief sojourn in arkansas, as basically made her life's work in this town. she embodies the establishment these people are revolting against because of the anger and frustration they feel. >> but i think what the problem is, i think it's on both sides, for the democrats and the republicans, you cannot just focus in on your base, because when you focus in on your base, you leave so many people out there alone. and feeling like they are not covered. andic that's the problem -- i don't think, i know. we're seeing the republican party implode. >> i don't think the anger and frustration with washington is confined to the base of the republican party. >> let's be clear. when president obama came and said i want to actually be the president for everyone, mitch mcconnell clearly stated that he wanted to make sure the president would fail. as a result, you cannot negotiate with someone who does not want to brick you -- to negotiate with you. >> i want to interrupt, this is not a conversation we'll be able to finish right here, but an

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so in case you missed it, american democracy was rescued today after both parties replaced donald trump and hillary clinton with ken bone at the top of their tickets. you didn't hear that? in case you missed it, ken bone

found the lost city of atlantis, and in case you weren't aware, none of that is also true, at least not yet. but america does love the m mustached, red sweater ken bone. ken bone and his sweater are now everywhere. fox, cnn, twice in a day. i twauked to him today on msnbc. and there he is on abc's "jimmy kimmel live!." you flip over to espn, and just wait for it, there's ken bone, as well, alongside, sporting the reds and the a-rod and kg, there's ken bone. he even has his own halloween costume kit, complete with the sweater, glasses, mike, and mustache. so you know who'll be knocking on your door a few days from now. everyone wants a piece of this guy and we are not making this up. an adult video website is apparently offering him $100,000 for an hour-long broadcast to

talk about, you know, the state of american politics. folks, what else did you expect in a year as strange as this one? where else will ken bone show up next? who knows? >> that's all for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily." "with all due respect" starts right now. i'm john heilemann. >> and i'm mark halperin. with all due respect to donald trump's super surrogate, ben carson, we've said it before and we're going to say it again, you had one job! >> as i was growing up, people were always trying to talk about their sexual conquests and trying to make themselves appear, you know, like the don -- you know, casanova. i'm surprised you haven't heard that. i really am. >> i haven't heard it. and i know a lot of people who have not heard it. and i think they were shocked -- >> well, maybe that's the problem.