term. >> that wraps it up, i'm alex witt alongside ali velshi and louis burgdorf. you know what happens now, "morning joe" starts. ♪ >> we talked about some of the organizational issues in setting up a white house. we talked about foreign policy. we talked about domestic policy. i have been very encouraged by the -- i think, interest in president-elect trump's wanting to work my team around many of the issues that this great country faces. most of all, i want to emphasize to you, mr. president-elect, that we now are going to want to

do everything we can to help you succeed because if you succeed, then the country succeeds. ♪ hallelujah >> listening to "hallelujah" recorded over 300 times. yesterday the music industry and the world lost one of the great writers and performers. the man who wrote that leonard cohen has died. he was 82 years old. i know our friends over at sony who saw him as a member of the family are deeply saddened this morning. >> good morning, everyone. >> as is a member of our family who e-mailed me and just said i quit. he was a huge leonard cohen fan. i just quit this week.

>> it's friday. we made it. november 11th. veterans day. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set we have managing editor of bloomberg politics and co-host of "with all due respect" that airs at 6:00 p.m. on msnbc. had fun watching it last night. mark halperin. nicholas confessore joins us as well. >> this is the fall card again. >> what's going on? >> trump era is a casual era. dress down. >> better than a coat and tie. >> i was thinking about wearing my paisley smoking jacket. >> i have run out of clean ties. >> wear that to our christmas eve special. john denver. >> we're recreating the bin crosby drummer boy. >> we're doing christmas in pajamas this year. >> i think we have a

responsibility to end this week, the last show of this week, by actually talking about something that's very serious. we need to give people about perspective about some things. i talked to my 13-year-old daughter yesterday who said actually lly in her school whi a lovely school, the debates following the election became so heated that they actually had to call an assemblynd tell everybody to just calm down and not talk about it. >> funny you should say that. >> i know you got an e-mail from johns hopkins. >> they're setting up places where kids can go and talk in a peaceful way, civil, about the election because they got a sense that there was so much discussion and even a lot of people really upset and jarred and not understanding what's happening, so they're setting up places where real conversations can happen on the campus of johns hopkins university. >> you know, willie, we have

been joking about 2004 how jarred and jolted people were around manhattan after george w. bush was elected. i remember telling someone i voted for george w. bush on an airplane and she spit out her water and started fighting. i was trapped. it is hard for people shocked -- i think the shock is what is making this so jarring. there was no time to prepare for democrats and supporters of hillary clinton and opponents of donald trump but, you know, i am having to tell my democratic friends and independent friends who are in tears having to tell them the same i had to tell my mom and my dad and my brother and members of my family when bill clinton was elected. when barack obama was elected. i had -- mika will tell you, i had a daily crisis like hotline call with my mother and my aunt and members of my family and friends that i knew telling them

that the world was not going to come to an end because barack obama was president of the united states. and it was hard. i lost actually friendships, not because i supported obama, but because i said this country would survive. and we're here again and i'm not preaching moral equivalency between anybody, i'm just saying it's important for people to step outside of their own world view and understand that everybody hurts. sometimes it seems just as hard for republicans when they lose as it does for democrats when they lose. and for those saying donald trump is different, i ask you to read the editorial pages of "the new york times" in the week following george w. bush's victory in 2004 where the president and his supporters were compared to al qaeda. tensions run high. we understand that. i'm just telling you, tell your children this is really important.

america is a great land. we have a great constitutional republic. we're going to be okay. and my son called me up and said what do i say to my friends who are so concerned? do i vouch for donald trump? i said you don't have to vouch for donald trump. we don't know what kind of president donald trump is. but we know what kind of country america is. we know how great our constitutional republic is. we understand that the checks and balances will stop donald trump dead in his tracks if he tries to push a muslim ban or if he tries to deport 11 million illegal immigrants. we understand that. we have a great country and it's just like the president of my history department told me a long time ago when i was at the university of alabama. i thought everybody loved ronald reagan. he just won 49 states. i went to him. i had lunch with him. i said how great is ronald reagan? what do you think of him? he just stared at me with sad

eyes, and he said, this is a week after reagan won 49 states, he said i think our country may be strong enough to even survive eight years of ronald reagan. that was a great moment for me. i said, wait a second, the whole world doesn't think like me. got to show a little empathy. we republicans need to show empathy toward democrats and tell our children this is going to be okay. if donald trump steps out of line, then we're going to be the ones that check him first. >> i think you're right. i think it's the shock for people who assume this was hillary clinton's race to lose. i live and vote on the upper west side of manhattan which is as democratic and strong for hillary as you can t. there was the air of coordination that was a foregone conclusion she was going to win. we're still in a state of shock. i think people who are reacting so strongly against trump's victory should take the lead of

president obama yesterday. take the lead of vice president biden, take the lead of paul ryan. >> what about hillary clinton? >> and take the lead of hillary clinton. >> what a great moment that hillary clinton showed our children how you are not only supposed to act in democracies but how you're supposed to respond to adversity in life. >> think about president obama yesterday having to sit next to a guy who he spent the last year just destroying on the campaign trail. the guy that called into question his legitimacy as an american let alone as president of the united states. and he sat there. went out of his way to call him president-elect every time he spoke about him. he is now making the country bigger than his feelings for donald trump. >> not all presidents do this. bill clinton did not remain silent during george w. bush's administration. but barack obama is showing the same character of george w. bush and george h.w. bush. i talked to somebody very close to president obama last night

after the meeting who told me we may not agree with him on anything, but we owe him silence. >> this is not the guy president obama wanted to be president but the fact of the matter that he's dealing with is that he is. let's help him succeed. what you're seeing the problem that a lot of people are having over the last couple days is not necessarily what donald trump may or may not do as president, but the cover he's given some people in the country to go out and behave the way we've seen them behave and some of these reports out of schools and in towns where people of color, muslims, are being threatened under the name of donald trump. >> they don't know what they've got. they're very shocked. they met for about 90 minutes. then they spoke to the cameras. both were positive about the meetings. president obama even coached his successor and longtime adversary about the job. >> we talked about organizational issues in setting up the white house.

we talked about foreign policy. we talked about domestic policy. i have been very encouraged by the, i think, interest in president-elect trump's wanting to work with my team around many of the issues that this great country faces. >> this was a meeting that was going to last for maybe 10 or 15 minutes, and we were just going to get to know each other. we had never met each other. i have great respect. the meeting lasted for almost an hour and a half. and it could have as far as i'm concerned could have gone on for a lot longer. we really discussed a lot of different situations. some wonderful and some difficulties. i very much look forward to dealing with the president in the future including counsel.

he explained some of the difficulties, some of the high flying assets and some of the really great things that have been achieved. mr. president, it was a great honor being with you. i look forward to being with you many, many more times in the future. thank you, sir. >> we are not going to be taking any questions. thank you. thank you, guys. >> very good man. very good man. >> appreciate it. >> remarkable. >> so we were talking about it yesterday, barack obama understand better than anybody what the job can do to somebody. how it can knock you around. president obama, michelle obama, the entire administration are so grateful to what george w. bush did and they admit we knocked him around a lot during the

campaign. they tell me, we didn't run against john mccain. we ran against george w. bush and yet they were extraordinarily gracious and we owe that to our successor who knocked us around. really quickly before we move on, i want to continue what we started with and that is that the special agony that some women are feeling that thought the united states would finally follow in the path of countries across the rest of the world and finally elect a woman as head of their government. that didn't happen. i think for a lot of women, a lot of men, a lot of young girls, that's especially hard to take. >> you know, symbolically, the glass ceiling that was put up at the javits center that was supposed to crash down upon hillary clinton's win stayed

intact. and i know a lot of women, young women especially, who were crying all day on election day and still are today. my daughter wrote a facebook post. she's scared. she's worried about women. about other minorities that she feels are going to be left out. personally, this white house has really worked to focus on this. this potential president hillary clinton made it her job around the world to forge paths for women. the white house president obama set up white house council on women and girls. i don't know what happens to that. i know we have to keep an open mind. i'll be working on my level for women to develop their voices and to continue on their track. and at this point we have to keep an open mind and see where this goes. it's a setback. it feels like one right now in a big way. that's legitimate. >> i think for a lot of women it feels like a setback and, nick,

that's obviously the responsibility of the president-elect to ensure women and ensure minorities and ensure muslims, to ensure hispanics, that what was said in the heat of the campaign will be left in the heat of the campaign just like barack obama and donald trump left their personal feelings back in the heat of the campaign yesterday. >> i have not yet seen from donald trump the kind of statement that you would want to see to the people you beat who are majority or plurality of the country. i haven't seen him go out and talk about how it's going to be okay. if you didn't vote for me, i'm still your president. what i saw last night was a tweet complaining about people protesting against him, which is the donald trump of the campaign trail. i hope we will see a different donald trump as president in that regard. >> look at that inaugural speech. it will be so interesting to see

if he brings it all together and forges a path that perhaps brings us together. mark? >> i thought the speech on election night did some of what you just said. i think the biggest test he faces right now is following on the tone that he set yesterday in that photo-op and tweet, nick is right, runs counter to that. he would be smart politically. he would be doing the right thing for the country. and he would be laying a great foundation if he really focussed on trying to make people uncomfortable feel more uncomfortable. >> that's the key. that's the simplest and best way to put it. he needs to make people feel comfortable who felt uncomfortable. >> along with that though, i think as important if not more is who this cabinet is going to be. i think we're all on pins and needles as to who he's going to surround himself with. >> it can't be rudy giuliani and newt gingrich and a general that

is seen with ties too close to russia. it can't all be what -- is it matthews who calls them red hots. it can't be all these red hots. you're going to need to have a more moderate, at least temperamentally, a more moderate cabinet and every name that's floated out there is a name that provides absolutely no comfort. minorities to women to those who are concerned about the future. so, you know what, those are names just thrown out there. let's wait and see. nobody threw out mike pence's name early in the veep sweepstakes. if you want to judge trump really, his first decision was mike pence. i was critical of it. i didn't think it was a good choice. mika was critical of it. >> his policies are -- >> but mike pence ended up as a perfect counter to donald trump.

showed some pretty damn good political skills in the meantime. >> hhelped him for sure. no question about it. donald trump has to send a signal whether it's who he's thinking of for secretary of state. one of the big jobs that will not only put the country but the world at ease a little bit and give stability and predictability and send that signal. on the question of making americans feel comfortable, people that didn't vote for him bring those people into his tent, it's going to be hard to do. you can't undo exactly in one statement what he said for a month and a half about these specific groups of people and suddenly make them feel comfortable. a lot of them take him at his word for things he said on the carbon monoxi campaign trail when you talk about banning religion and building a wall along the border, that's scary to people and him saying i'm your president, don't worry, they'll take a little more than that to convince them. >> we all thought that after he won the nomination he would move to the center, and he would be more moderate in tone at least and surprisingly he did not do

that but he still won. again, he's got the opportunity now. new president with running room. go to a mosque. do symbolic things. the public would eat it up. the press certainly would. i don't see any downside to it because he didn't run as a standard republican. >> he didn't run. that's why i think it's going to be so surprising to a lot of republicans to see that donald trump is more comfortable talking to nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. i'm not guessing this. i know this. donald trump is more comfortable socially with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi than paul ryan and pick your other republican. that's his world. it's the people he's known. it's the people he supported the most. that's why people right now who are trying to predict what trump is going to do legislatively are out of their mind.

donald trump is a social creature. if donald trump had grown up in manhattan, kansas, he would have been president of the 4-h and the top booster, right? he's going to washington, d.c. where he's going to be socialized to the ways of washington by democrats and republicans alike in a way barack obama was not because he isolated himself. donald trump is incapable of being isolated for one hour a day. >> i'm not sure that he's a social creature in the sense that you're talking about that he'll make the rounds in washington and georgetown. >> no, no, no. >> he'll make them come to him, but i guarantee you he'll be on the phone 20 hours a day. >> i do think there's a people pleasing quality to him in his personality. you can see it in the way he would wiggle around on policy

proposals. if somebody said how about this? you would say yeah. i think there's a template there for him to work with democrats in congress. i can even see a first big bill similar to hillary clinton's first big bill road spending and tax reform. i see that coming together. we'll have the epa shutdown. >> you could do that build first but force term limits down congress' throats and then force sort of a redistricting reform bill that would actually do away with the way they do districts. people would swarm to his side. >> nick referenced this tweet from donald trump last night about the protests we've seen last two nights across the country, not my president. this is the one from last night. he wrote just had an open and successful presidential

election. now professional protesters incited by the media are protesting. very unfair. so that was last night. five minutes ago. donald trump tweeted this. love the fact that the small groups of protesters last night have passion for our country. we will all come together and be proud. >> there you go. >> small groups. small groups. >> that is funny. but he actually did what you asked him to do. he self-corrected. >> every time he gets protests he puts out a tweet. >> i don't think he's going to do that. there is an adjustment. there is an adjustment. i'm certainly not defending donald trump here. i'm saying that donald trump, mika, has been attacked more from more sides, i think, than any other president in u.s. history because he didn't have a home team. republicans were attacking him. conservatives were attacking him. the ones that would usually defend him.

democrats were attacking him. media was attacking him. he had sean hannity and breitbart and whatever else versus the world. i think some of his reflexes may be to send out the tweet you're talking about last night. the one we just saw this morning is one that would assure people. >> here's the challenge for everybody. that is to press the reset button, which we have to be good at doing. when his candidacy began, everybody was so disdainful and mocking and quite frank lly befe a word even came out of his mouth and he gave them much reason to be upset and to be concerned and to be horrified and shocked along the way. and now here we are. he won the nomination. it happened again. and now here he won the presidency. we have to press reset.

let's have an open mind. let's see what happens. >> that's what barack obama did. it's what donald trump did. it's what vice president biden did. it's what hillary clinton did. it's not easy. it is not easy to put the scars of a campaign behind you. i want to show you -- >> this is incredible. 2011. >> mika sent this to me yesterday. >> if you thought he was the trumpologyist -- >> this was from april 5th, 2011, the headline in my politico column, trump doesn't give a damn and predicts the rise of trump and says he's going to shake everything up. he didn't give a damn. the difference is now he has to. now he has to give a damn. willie, he's president of all of us. as i said, his role model should be because it fits him, don't be something you're not, teddy

roosevelt. a new yorker from a wealthy family who thought big. and he dreamed big. and he wanted to do big things. he wanted to k up the trusts. he wanted to send warships across the world painted white so when they came into ports they looked bigger. that was just teddy roosevelt. that would actually be a good model for him to emulate. i must say. i'm surprised they are still talking about breaking up the big banks. >> sounding a lot like teddy. i hope donald trump is wise enough to know what he doesn't know. we always talk about presidents coming in not knowing what they don't know and to surround themselves with people who understand the way washington works. i know he wants to blow it up. to blow it up, you have to go through some of the conventions of washington. paul ryan is going to be important. chuck schumer is going to be important. let's hope he knows that he doesn't know anything about the way washington works and that he's got to have some people

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happier, no one is prouder to put this birth certificate matter to rest than the donald. that's because he can finally get back to focusing on the issues that matter. like did we fake the moon landing? what really happened in roswell? and where are biggy? >> i think president obama has been the most ignorant president in our history. his views of the world as he says don't jive and the world is a mess. he has been a disaster as a president. he will go down as one of the worst presidents in the history of our country. >> most of all, i want to emphasize to you, mr.

president-elect, that we are now going to want to do everything to help you succeed because if you succeed than the country succeeds. >> donald trump returned that favor and i thought both of them did a remarkable job trying to call some of the fears that we've been talking about, willie, that we've all seen in our lives. >> this is what happens with every president but it's exceptional in this case because of the context because othe relationship between these two men, because of what donald trump has said. think about president obama sitting in that chair. he spent the last decade, the better part of a decade building up what he thought would be a legacy that would extend into a hillary clinton administration and beyond in terms of health care and other things. sitting next to the man who has pledged and vowed to unravel everything he's done over two terms and to have that graciousness and to put the country ahead of his personal feelings to make sure there's a smooth transition of power.

president obama and hillary clinton the other day deserve great credit for that. >> joining us now, award winning author, nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss, judy pace joins us as well. good to see you. what a white house you'll be covering. >> michael, it's almost shakespearean and you actually had a double down, mark halperin and john heilemann's last book, they had a scene where barack obama was mocking donald trump at the white house correspondents dinner and trump seething and one joke after another joke after another joke and it was at that moment he was going to run for president of the united states and show all of the people that were laughing at him. >> he thought about it before. >> that was the moment. we said, okay, fine, how shakespearean that some jokes at

a white house correspondents dinner and feeling of being slighted led to the election of a man who could now dismantle what barack obama has fought for for the past eight years. >> you're absolutely right, joe. if you saw it in a play, you would think the playwright was over contriving this. a gracious outgoing president welcoming an incoming president even if the two guys are these hu antagonists. obama needs to make friends with donald trump and soften his antagonism so he won't be resolved to dismantle everything he's trying to do. >> julie pace, are you able to press reset from everything we've seen because there's been a lot. i think that we have to be very realistic as we look forward and watch this relationship evolve

between this new president and this country. there has been a lot of blood drawn along the way. >> absolutely. and there's no doubt that just from the perspective of those of us covering the white house, it's going to be a very different administration. i think that we have to go into this as journalists treating president trump when he takes office with the same amount of respect that we treated president obama, president bush when they served as president. he holds the most powerful office in the world. he also is going to have a lot of responsibility not just to his supporters in implementing policies that he's outlined during this campaign but you do serve as president for all americans, and that is a responsibility that only those who have held that office can fully appreciate, and i would be curious if he came out of yesterday with a sense of that responsibility. >> i think, willie, it's a credit to both men and michael can tell us more about this,

that you had truman loathing ike. ike having contempt for truman. and yet they got together. they had a rough meeting. ike and kennedy had a rough meeting because ike thought that kennedy wasn't up to the job. lbj and nixon loathed each other. we go through history. and yet these two men seem to have a better meeting despite all of the public bloodshed than a lot of meetings in the past. >> wouldn't have you loved to have been in that room for 90 minutes or whatever it was that they talked yesterday. michael beschloss, you can shed light on what typically happens inside these meetings in the oval office. what kind of things would they have been talking about yesterday? >> you know, for instance, you were talking about eisenhower. eisenhower and when he was welcoming kennedy who had run totally against his administration, eisenhower had

the sensitivity to know that this 43-year-old new president that didn't look like presidents of the past and you have this picture eisenhower said come and sit with me behind the desk so when the photographers come into the oval office they'll see you and me behind the desk and essentially begin to get used to you as president. but usually what happens in recent times is if you have a situation like this, i would bet you that barack obama -- i think this was said by the white house people -- made an effort to show donald trump in the nicest possible way here are the incentives that you've got not to dismantle things that i've done like health care and some of the foreign policy things. and carter tried that, for instance, with ronald reagan after he was defeated in 1980. didn't work. reagan sort of went in in a steely way and said i'll politely listen but i'm not going to take notes on this and i don't want to feel as if i've been taken in by what carter tries to tell me. when the two guys got into the car to go up to the capitol for

the inauguration, reagan tried to warm up the atmosphere by telling carter all of these great old hollywood stories about warner brothers and the moguls and so on. lost on carter. they get to the capitol. carter gets out of the car, runs to his aides and says who is jack warner he keeps on talking about? >> it's happened again. if you look, again, at julie pace, you can look at reagan and carter having sort of this rough back and forth. i think things change for the first time dramatically when george h.w. bush left office in 1992, and great man that he was, he had been skewed by bill clinton as not giving a damn about working class americans and being too tired for the job and, julie, bush 41 was extraordinarily gracious to clinton in a way that shocked a

lot of people. that lesson wasn't lost on barack obama. wasn't lost on his son, george w. bush, who was very gracious. it seems that actually bush 41 set a new tradition of how presidents act when they are leaving even if they are leaving vanquished. >> i think he did. there's been a lot made of this letter that he wrote to bill clinton that's been going around during this realcampaign. wishing his successor success in this job saying we're rooting for you now. if you talk to officials in the obama administration, they speak with such reverence of what george w. bush did and his staff did during the transition after the 2008 election. that's really, i think, despite a lot of the heartache that you're experiencing in the white house right now among obama's staff, they really feel like they have to do the same thing that george bush did for them. you come into the white house no matter who you are and you have

no idea what is ahead of you. just knowing that the outgoing president will spend 2 1/2 months helping you along is a great gift an administration can give. >> michael, a lot of focus during the campaign on donald trump's traits which were less than presidential by ordinary standards. >> i heard about that. >> i know historians look at this question. what traits does he have that may help him be a good or great president? >> one of the things founders felt strongly about was the ability to negotiate and cut deals and compromise. they wanted everyone to duke it out the way we've seen during this campaign, but at the end, they wanted people, especially president and congress, members of congress, to make deals and his stock in trade has been that i make deals. now we'll see if he can. >> julie pace, michael beschloss, we'll see. i think as much as he can take advantage of the transition would be good but equally as important is who he talks to.

i will just say a sign of hope for me is over the years that we've seen him, he's always talked about my dad. he's always said your dad is the smartest man that i've ever seen speak. i hope he speaks to people like my dad. >> i'll also say this about him in all of the times that we've known him and i think even across this campaign and, michael, you can speak to this i'm sure. bill clinton once told me the most any -- he said it in a way not complementary about barack obama. he said the most important thing that a president can have is a very short memory or no memory at all. you know, we obviously -- trump and mika and i were friends for years before this campaign started. we said some really tough, angry, vicious things about him. >> not always appropriate either. >> he had a short enough memory that we could even when we were having really angry public

fights, we could still offline talk like when andrew got hurt. he called me up when andrew got hurt. i think we were in the middle of the fight at the time. he said, joe, i know in times like this that what i'm doing and what you're doing means absolutely nothing. i'm serious. it means nothing. your children matter the most. i just want you to know i'm your friend, and i'm thinking about you and our family is praying for andrew. that's a guy that knows how to sort of quarter that off. >> what a wonderful story. >> fdr and reagan had the ability to turn the light switch on and off. that was a pretty remarkable moment for me in the middle of this battle and he's the first person that called. >> that's a human. that's what we want to see in our presidents. another example. i was once talking to president carter a couple years ago. he said i ran against jerry ford in 1976. it was so close.

i lost by two states -- excuse me, i ran for two states. so hard for jerry ford. despite that we had this great transition and he said, president carter said, i think i and jerry ford in the end had the best friendship of any two ex-presidents in american history. that sounded extreme. best friendship. i went all of the way through american history and pretty hard to find two ex-presidents who got along better. >> michael beschloss and julie pace, thank you both. we'll be right back. xecutive prt marvel studios. we are very much hands on producers. if my office becomes a plane or an airport the surface pro is perfect, fast and portable but also light. you don't do 14 hours a day 7 days a week for decades if you don't feel it in your heart. listen i know my super power is to not ever sleep. that's it, that's the only superpower i have.

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>> our job is two-fold. our job is to make sure the anger that so many people in this country feel because they are in fact working longer hours for low wages and worried about their kids, if they're in rural america, they see their downtown stores boarded up and kids leaving town because there are no jobs in that community. inner cities youth unemployment high. people are angry. they have a right to be angry. but we have got to channel that anger against the people who caused the decline of the middle class and so many people living in poverty not take it out on our neighbors who may happen to be muslim or latino or women. i will do everything that i can do oppose that. >> is it a sin for a conservative to love bernie sanders? >> no, it's not.

>> i love him. he's the best. he might have been -- let's just not even. we stop. we reset. >> bernie -- >> do you know howard dean is saying maybe you ought to put him as head of dnc to clean up this show. come on people, let's talk to howard. >> democrats have an uncertain future. nominee got more votes in popular election and lost electoral college. they'll control neither the white house or the house. could you read quickly? >> only five states have a democratic governor and democratically controlled legislature. >> this the low part of the democratic party historically. i think this is a high water mark for the republicans since 1928 if you take all of the state legislatures and take all of the governors and how crazy a week ago everybody was wringing

their hands talking about what would a republican party's future be after trump? now a week later, because we all got it wrong, what will the democrats future be moving forward? >> i think that the victor of president obama had papered over a huge for his party. they were being defeated at every level of government and now they are the minority party across the country. parties out of power have a tendency to fragment and go down to their base. if you go to that map from tuesday and see those counties in ohio and iowa that flipped so hard from barack obama to trump. what can the party say to those voters to bring them back into the fold. and can the party be a coalition with those voters again or a part that exists in big cities and urban hubs but can't compete

in those places. >> senator sanders posted tweets trying to rally the party including the democratic party has to be focused on grassroots america and not wealthy people attending cocktail parties. >> yeah, halperin. >> i like a good cocktail party. >> raises money from billionaires and stands with working families. we've got to pick a side. hello. the rallying crying of what should have been -- >> it's very clear that trump persuaded a lot of these voters that he was on their side. and i think that hillary clinton's ties to wall street. i think that the speeches created a sense for people who are not always deeply connected on policy create a sense that she was with them over there on wall street and in the power centers and that's what hurt her ultimately. >> mark halperin, ask your

dinner guests a great question. have you been to paris more or staten island more? and not one of your dinner guests came back and answered staten island. i think that would be the same of most of us. >> i have not been to -- >> once to paris for my honeymoon. >> how many times have you been to staten island? >> a ton of times. i grew up in new york city. >> there you go. you break the record. i understand here's the thing though. people understood instinctively that donald trump was not the same kind of new yorker as the clintons. he's a queens guy. just like bill o'reilly. is he from new york? no. he's a queens guy. sean hannity. he's a long island guy. they sense resentment and outsider status even if he's a guy that has a huge jet flying around.

>> big fight is fight of the dnc chair. right person will be the chief spokesperson for the party and can frame how the party is going to move forward. they need the bernie sanders and elizabeth warren wing but they need more than that. >> we have a big hour coming up. michael moore joins us. we'll be right back. we live in a pick and choose world.

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nice to meet you, mr. president. donald. michelle had a nice time showing melania around. it got weird when they walked into lincoln bedroom and said what a lovely closet. there's a lot of people unhappy with the election. there were large anti-trump protests in the streets of at least seven cities last night including right here in new york. trump looked out his window from 60 stories up and said a parade already. that's fantastic. that's unbelievable. >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's friday, november 11th. with us we have managing editor of bloomberg politics still with us and joining the conversation, chair of the department of african-american studies at princeton university, author of the book -- >> hold on. let's stop the show. twitter. twitter. >> what's the hold up? >> verify this. are you racist? what's your problem? verify. do you think this is -- is this a race thing with twitter and

you? >> no. >> what do you think it is? do you think they don't like your appearance? >> i'm not that important. >> that's not true. twitter verify eddie. he's america's professor. >> we have plans for you eddie. his book is "democracy in black." and "the new york times" reporter jeremy peters is with us as well. >> eddie is it still laughing at that. mike, a remarkable day yesterday. you wrote about it. grace shown by president obama, shown by all parties yesterday. >> i actually think it's been like 48 to 72 hours of grace. who knows whether it lasts or not. starting with the president-elect speech after winning hillary clinton's extraordinary moment of grace and then what we -- you know what it was like yesterday? yesterday at the white house i was thinking it's like one of those vicious nhl stanley cup

games and series ends and they've been beaten each other up for a week and then they get into line and shake hands and whether this lasts or not, no one knows. i actually think after this campaign what we've seen from trump, hillary clinton and the president yesterday was actually kind of a cool thing. >> when you look at these pictures of president barack obama and president-elect donald trump yesterday sitting there shaking hands. working it out. 44th president and soon to be 45th president discussed the transition inside the oval office. meeting lasted about 90 minutes. which is longer than planned. how helpful this is to any productive transition do you think, for the country? >> i think it's important. i think it's absolutely important and something we should expect of president obama. >> people in your world and mine

are still crying. they're so upset. >> i think this is important at this level. what's happening among americans is a different story. i think it's important that we see this graciousness at the top because we want peaceful transfer of power. it's important to understand in the circles i'm in, i woke up fired up and ready to go that we are actually preparing to organize and to mobilize and to fight for an america that we think is deeply in jeopardy. there are some folks who were right after the election deeply disappointed. there are some folks out here scared. folks are having muslims being attacked. middle schoolers chanting build a wall while latino students are crying. my son at providence sees a police officer and pats his gun and smiles at him.

those are the loud races. loud folk making claims. we are on the cusp of an extraordinary moment in the country where the left progressives aren't going to just simply roll over and allow the country to be run in a way that we think it should be. >> what is the responsibility of president-elect donald trump? what does he need to do today? >> i think the first thing he needs to do is to come out and condemn all of the stuff we're reading. in "the new york times," there's a list of things that happened. he needs to come out and give content to the claim he made in his acceptance speech that he was going to be the president of all americans. there are a large number of folks that feel their lives are about to be in shambles. think about those young people

that came out of the shadows. they think they're going home. he just said they wiped the muslim ban off the website and now they put it back on. think that they floated the story that steve bannon might be the chief of staff. not that that's going to happen but they floated the story so there's -- part of what i've been trying to think about is that when we believe that racism is of a sort to "all my children" or "young and the restless" where you have good people readily identifiable and bad people readily identifiable. there are folks in this country that believe that some people, government, big government,

they're taking stuff from well deserving people and giving it to undeserving people. >> for people thinking this is only because of race, the numbers right now seem to be showing that the same people that helped elect a black men president two times helped elect donald trump this time. >> i saw you said this yesterday. >> i didn't say it. it was nate cohn at "the new york times." the numbers are breaking in a lot of different directions. we'll continue the conversation but speaking before cameras, both president obama and president-elect trump were positive about the meeting. >> president obama even coached his successor and long time adversary about what the job is

like. >> some of the organization issues in setting up a white house. we talked about foreign policy and domestic policy. i've been very encouraged by the interest in president-elect trump's wanting to work with my team around many of the issues that this great country faces. most of all, i want to emphasize to you, mr. president-elect, that we now are going to want to do everything to help you succeed because if you succeed, the country succeeds. >> this was a meeting that was going to last for maybe 10 or 15 minutes, and we were just going to get to know each other. we had never met each other. i have great respect. the meeting lasted for almost an

hour and a half, and it could have gone in for a lot longer. we really discussed a lot of different situations. some wonderful and some difficulties. i very much look forward to dealing with the president in the future including counsel. he explained some of the difficulties. some of the high flying assets and some of the really great things that have been achieved. so, mr. president, a great honor being with you. i look forward to being with you many, many more times in the future. thank you. >> by the way, willie geist, a news flash here. it seems -- here's the bulletin. it seems that it was not the media as i blamed yesterday for the complacency that elected

donald trump. it was the case of eddie not voting. >> chickens coming home to roost. >> i called for strategic voting. i'm getting killed. >> you need to be verified. >> who are you colin kaepernick? >> mark halperin, donald trump after he won the race shocked the world. actually was given a speech. rewrote the speech. what we heard after his gracious victory speech was actually from him. what evidence is there that carries forward into a trump administration that he becomes a gracious president who really does answer eddie's concerns and really wants to be president for muslim americans and hispanic americans and black americans

and white americans and all americans? >> in the spirit of president obama to say let's give him the benefit of the doubt here is he starts, you know, he says that's what his heart is. he says in politics he did things he won't do as president. you think about the megaphone he had as a candidate. probably unprecedented in his ability to get attention using old and new media. the white house is a much bigger platform than he's had up until now. he has capacity with just a few words every day for the next four years plus to say things to convince people that's where his hard is. we all know that he did things like birther movement and muslim ban that we condemned, we know that his heart is such that if he chooses to, he can present a different side of himself than he did during the campaign. >> it comes down to who he surrounds himself with. not that he'll listen to everybody. he listens to himself and he's got great gut. like it or not, his gut got him the presidency, lady gaga didn't. beyoncdidn't. biden didn't.

warren didn't. obama with the greatest approval rating in the history of i don't know what didn't. his gut got him the presidency. >> he did have tom brady. >> and bill belichick. >> he scott baio victory there. >> as baio goes, so goes america. >> he needs a gut check. who are going to be those people? and are those people going to be able to penetrate his sort of ability to plow forward and speak and shoot from the hip and think it out and realize on the grand stage, on the world stage, words to really matter and that gut needs to be checked. >> the biggest mistake president-elects make is i got here when everyone said i couldn't do it. i got here when everybody said i couldn't do it. why should i listen to anybody now? that's the temptation that donald trump must resist or he

will have the same slipups that barack obama had, that george w. bush had, that bill clinton had. you can go back. they all think when they walk through that white house and go into the oval office for the first time that they are the first ones to truly crack. >> can i say one hang advantage has? he's not beholden to his own party. the job does require humility. i want to pick up on what eddie was talking about with incidents in high schools and in the streets. donald trump had a way in the campaign of winking at this behavior. he said i don't know what that movement is. didn't know what the klan was or apologize. fine. i apologize. i disown that's being said here. this is real serious stuff that's happening to kids in middle schools and kids in the street. he has to come out.

he's president now of the united states. he has to condemn this stuff. he's the leader of the country. his words matter. his words matter more now than they ever mattered and make clear there's no place for this. >> it would help him politically to do the right thing. >> if he doesn't want to be prosecuted every time -- we will hear about these every hour on the hour. if he doesn't want to be prosecuted because the lowest common dednominator is doing stuff like this, he ought to give a speech. for people who want him to fail who are looking at this as the resistance now, how different are they from all of the republicans who said at the begin with obama that they want him to be one-term president and block everything. at some point if we fail -- if he fails, we fail. he's got to be given some kind of chance here. >> that's a great question.

at the heart of it is the idea of the world that we want. so is it equivalent when you have someone that's disappointed because the world they want includes or involves banning muslims, involves not building a wall, involves asserting one group or another group, is that disappointment equivalent of disappointment of a group of people that say they want the public option. they want a livable wage. they want -- are those equivalent? i don't think so. part of what we have to interrogate and we have to resist is this equivalence of rage and resentment. we have to interrogate the moral and ethical claims underneath it. i have to say this quickly. if donald trump was appealing to economic despair only, then black and brown workers should have been running to him in droves. if that was the only thing that was at the heart of his

campaign, right, because he was speaking to an economic philosophy that's decimated workers in this country, there's misery out there, if that's the only thing he was speaking to, black and brown workers would have been with him in large numbers. he was doing something else. >> that's not true. they had that opportunity with bernie sanders and they voted for hillary clinton 9-1. >> we can talk about that. >> we'll talk about that. >> i think what he would say he was doing is winning. and that's all. i'm not saying that's perfect. jeremy peters, the team, the team. we know that there wasn't really an acceptance speech completely thought out and written up, superstitious, perhaps even shocked himself. they had to make -- is there no team? is there no team? what's your reporting? >>e doesn't. by the way, eddie is laughing at me because he is superstitious. i spoke with him when everybody

was saying he was going to be the next president of the united states. they hadn't called wisconsin. he wouldn't talk about. he was flat. he said, you know what? i'm not president until i'm president. 17th hole of augusta national ahead by one stroke. now is not the time to celebrate. that's his mindset. they all better start thinking quickly because he needs to get a cabinet. >> he didn't have a transition -- he didn't think much about transition team because he thought it was bad luck. he told his aides when they put together a transition team and christie at the head of it back earlier this spring he didn't like the idea of it. he wanted to get rid of chris christie because it would jinx his chances of winning. that's the quirky donald trump that we've come to see flashes of over the course of the campaign. another donald trump -- this gets to your point earlier about whether or not he is able to reach out to the two-thirds of americans who found him to be

untrustworthy and unfit to be president, we've seen the donald trump -- at least i've seen -- that showed little glimpses of self-awareness over the last 15 months that i think most americans probably didn't pick up on. that's when he would say things like i don't know that this whole movement is about me. it's about something that's greater than me. if he can remember that, which i think he is perfectly capable of, this cld be headed in a better direction than half of america walking around like it's had the wind knocked out of it. there's not all of the reason in the world to be totally pessimistic here. >> so when we see that newt gingrich and rudy giuliani and general flynn, is that just speculation? that's not a list that trump or anybody close to trump has put

out? >> i think some of that is real. i think what you're seeing is a desire among a lot of republicans, republican establishment figures who have reached out to trump who trump has reached out to. i've heard over the last couple of days that trump has actually -- people inside his campaign have reached out to never trumpers and tried to gauge their interest in serving in the transition effort. there is a bit of an olive branch going out to these people. as i was saying, i think there's also a desire to see people around trump like reince priebus who understand the mechanisms of government and are able to kind of provide that reassurance for people that he's not going to blow the government up. >> we'll get to michael moore. before we go to break, think about this. was it eight years ago when barack obama was first elected president? think about that moment. think about that moment. because it seemed like the sea high school parted and the ma

messiah was walking through and america was changed for the better forever. think about this moment. expectations are so low. the bar is so low. i'm just saying. i just wan to say, it's 7:20 on -- what's the date? the november 11th. this moment we have such low expectations. i mean we, the collective we in the echo chamber about his ability to get anything done. we were wrong before. the collective we in the echo chamber was wrong all along. they were wrong about trump in the primary. wrong about trump in the general election. they need to be careful. need to be careful not to be wrong about donald trump and his presidency. >> he's been underestimated. thank you so much. coming up to borrow a phrase from joe, plenty of americans are shocked, stunned and deeply saddened by donald trump's victory. a look back through the primary process shows the writing was on

the wall. >> people don't trust the establishment. they see big money and big banks and wall street funding and supporting these candidates. >> get some good paying jobs back in this country. put people back to work. >> the supreme court justices for the next election are going to be our children's lives. >> from students to blue collar workers to latino business owners, we examine what the trump constituency says about the makeup of america and filmmaker michael moore joins us live. "morning joe" is coming right back. both on the track and thousands of miles away. with the help of at&t, red bull racing can share critical information about every inch of the car from virtually anywhere. brakes are getting warm. confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. understood, brake bias back 2 clicks. giving them the agility to have speed & precision. because no one knows & like at&t.

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coming up, someone that knows a lot about presidential transitions. former white house chief of staff to george w. bush andy card joins the table next on "morning joe." here we are.

29 past the hour. joining us now, former chief of staff for george w. bush, andy card joins the table. how does this look? >> the transition is where it's a sobering experience. it's the reality. you caught the bus. what do you do? and the good news is that president-elect trump has more support for a transition than any other president-elect in history. george w. bush created a good climate by giving barack obama's team an opportunity to get clearances and to have some inside information on what might

be happening and made sure that he understood what the baton would feel like before he had to grab it. president obama very much appreciated what george w. bush did and congress embraced it. >> he said it. had his staff still says it. i spoke to senior white house official yesterday. very close to the president. he said we owe this to him. what george w. bush did and they had actually insight to say we treated george w. bush really badly on the campaign trail. we didn't run against mccain. we ran against bush. we still opened doors wide open and we'll be grateful. >> george w. bush made that an expectation for the white house staff very early in his administration. it didn't just come during the election season. it's something we prepared for for six years. >> it started with the great man you also know. george h.w. bush who was kicked

around hard by bill clinton for a long time. bill clinton won by saying george bush was out of touch. he didn't care about americans. >> i was in charge of the transition out of government for george h.w. bush so i know. george h.w. bush was phenomenally cooperative and sharing with president-elect clinton to the point one time he actually said when president-elect clinton criticized him on one thing he said, poor, president-elect clinton, just doesn't know. send a team out to give him a briefing. it changed everything. that was a relationship today they are very, very close. >> barbara bush actually says bill is a member of our family. that's again for people that think infighting is forever, it's an intermural battle.

we're all on the same team and these presidents prove it. >> as president obama said we have to root for president-elect trump. we are americans. we need him to succeed. what happened inside that room before the press got there that the 90 minutes of trump and obama were talking, what are kind of things you expect were exchanged there. >> i think the awe of the job and office itself were probably a topic of conversation. you're being given a tremendous responsibility with a fabulous team to work with and many of the members of the team have taken an oath to follow the command of the commander in chief and they will do it whether they voted for you, whether they like you, whatever it is. they'll follow you. and it's an awesome responsibility and the burden is much greater than people realize because a president knows they cannot keep their oath of office without other people keeping their oath to follow the command of the commander in chief.

and that is intimidating. it's a burden that never goes away even when you leave office. >> andy card, thank you so much. by the way, the current treasury secretary jack lew used to be barack obama's chief of staff and coming up, we're going to talk to a man whose name is being thrown around to replace him in the treasury, congressman jeb hensarling joins us in our next hour. we're back right after this. world ugly and messy. they are the natural born enemy of the way things are. yes, ideas are scary, and messy and fragile. but under the proper care, they become something beautiful. ♪ ♪

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the election results came to a stunning shock to all of those who never saw or refused to see the rise of donald trump. >> i can't think of one person that saw it coming. >> tom brokaw reported back in january with an undecided voter in iowa. here's business owner charlie good. >> if you asked me would i take anybody from washington, d.c. to come in here and run my business, no way. no way. i got somhing to lose. they would have nothing to lose. they're playing with our money. a lot of things we're talking about now wouldn't be talked about in a normal election but because we have outsiders involved in the race, things are talked about. no matter how much you love or hate donald trump, some of the

reasons we're talking about these things is because he's keeping them up there. >> wow. >> nbc news caught up with charlie after tuesday's general election and he did in fact vote for donald trump. while the economy drove his decision at the ballot box, there were plenty of other issues fueling his supporters from students to latinos to disaffected democrats and msnbc got to know many of them first hand. >> the donald. if it wasn't donald, it would be the bernie. >> people don't trust the establishment. they see big money and big banks and wall street funding and supporting these candidates. >> we need to do something about manufacturing jobs and get good paying jobs back in this country and get people back to work. >> the supreme court justices for the next election are going to be our children's lives. >> i don't like trump per se. i despise hillary even more than i despise him. >> make america great again. >> you think so? >> he's a person that speaks his mind. i'm tired of the normal

politician that goes out there and gets polished. they get taught how to speak. >> he's a businessman. he's going to look out for business people. >> you think people are going to vote for trump but trump won't be the president? >> uh-huh. >> you think it might be a rigged election. >> definitely. >> if it has to happen to better the nation and secure our borders. >> drugs are pouring in and our government will not fix it. >> when you were working in that steel mill, with you imagine saying you might vote for a republican? >> i don't think so. but i think right now, you know, between hillary and trump, i kind of lean toward trump. >> joining us now, filmmaker michael moore. his new documentary is "michael moore in trump land." >> michael --

>> thank god he brought his hair. >> i would never leave home without it. >> please don't. >> michael, i saw the auto shop owner and i was thinking you know that guy and i know that guy. saw those guys sitting up against the wall. you know those guys especially well. that's why you saw it, why you knew trump was going to win and why you predicted trump would win. >> yes. and i am trump's demographic. angry white guy over the age of 35 and i have just a high school education so i grew up with, i lived with, i still live with and it's interesting. i was watching your show. i watch it every morning. i can say that. >> thank you. i hope i haven't lost you. i compliment you a lot these days. >> i take no pleasure in having called this five months ago. i don't want to hear that really. but i was watching a couple

weeks before the election. i don't know who the guest was. you were remarking -- something was remarking about how the expense report for the trump campaign showed they spent more money on ball caps than month than anything else. your panelists were going, ball caps. i looked at that and i thought, wow, there's the bubble right there. they don't understand. >> i remember that conversation. this is where we're from. this is where i live. and to make fun of, you know -- and -- >> people buy those ball caps. they wear those ball caps. >> we wear ball caps. we, who to borrow the dylan line, the country i come from is called the midwest. this middle america thing -- and the reason why they have this anger toward the media, i'm not attacking anybody who said that that day. i'm just saying though that was laughable but they weren't

spending money on getting new polls or doing -- they have no ground game. they have no ground game. are you kidding me? first of all, the ground game has occurred over the last 30 years and this did not turn people into republicans because it started under ronald reagan in flint, in detroit, where people lost tens of thousands of jobs and their lives were decimated and they were kicked out of the middle class and when reagan fired the air traffic controllers and other unions didn't stand up or say anything or do anything, that was the end. it got worse and worse and worse. >> if you looked in those crowds of trump supporters and you saw all of those caps being worn, people who go out and buy one and wear it every d are also going to vote. they're not just showing up because it's a cool trend to be at these rallies which didn't translate on the democratic side. >> i heard someone tell me early on first time i ran for office say get a $1,000 contributor, which i wasn't getting.

i said nobody would give me money. don't worry about it. get the guy that gives you $25, he'll go to the gates of hell with you. >> ask bernie sanders about that. let me just say it again. people are confused about michigan and wisconsin. bernie won michigan and wisconsin. we saw this back in march. hillary was ahead by 8 to 20 points on the day of the primary and 12 hours later she loses in michigan. and that was a huge red flag. the other red flag was there were 130,000 more people that voted on the republican ballot that day in michigan than the democratic ballot in a democratic state. 130,000 more republicans voted. the media completely ignored this. it's like they didn't see what was happening. but for the reason why bernie won and trump won michigan is because as you've been talking about this election, people wanted change. well, that's the reason why bernie won 22 states.

how else can you explain a socialist. this is not a socialist country. how did a socialist win 22 states? people didn't care about the label. just as people didn't care about -- here's the other thing. all of the talk that you guys and others have done about trump, he won't reveal his taxes. then it was he paid no taxes. do you understand that people who are struggling from paycheck to paycheck admire -- on april 10th, they are trying to not pay the government anything and the fact that there is a guy and when he went into the microphone during the debate, it's because i'm smart. yeah, dude. >> i said that was a brilliant way to connect with people. if you look online, i am blistering attacked for saying that was a smart move in terms of connecting with people who will vote for him. >> it's like that auto shop guy

saying, you know, i don't want a guy from washington in here with my business because he's got nothing to lose. i want somebody who has been out there that understands, you know, how to run a business. >> i hear that. i think you've done an amazing service coming from where you come from ideologically to make these points. i just want to say i think curiosity is a two-way street in a republic. right now there's a lot of an elite bubble that didn't care to learn what happened in the heartland. i think that's true. i think that works the other way around. i go out there and i talk to people and frankly i think you can make a case there's often more curiosity from the elite bubble about some of what's happening in these places. correspondents are sent. you have sent correspondents to these places. when i go and have these encounters, i don't get a lot of curiosity back. >> that's because there is no

curiosity. they don't care about the elites. >> it's not about elites. it's about half of the people in new york. >> they don't care about wall street and corporate america and media. >> half people in new york are struggling economically. i don't get curiosity about them either. small town america is as incurious about other places as we are about it. >> but small town's america job is not to educate america on the electoral process. that's what we all get paid to do. we have failed. michael, go ahead. >> i just want to say that we talk about this as if there was just white people in michigan. the african-american vote in detroit was down. the african-american vote in flint was down. i was getting calls all day from congressmen and other people in the democratic party, can you get on social media. we're not showing up. and it's, like, well, that's

because it's the depressed. it's depressed because things happened that again the media didn't pay attention to. barack obama, who i love and voted for twice, and i will miss dearly, but he showed up to flint five months ago and drank the water when it was still not fixed. the pipes were still not replaced. it was like a knife in the heart of the people of flint. a black city saw the president do this. it just deflated. i saw everyone get deflated. the water is still poisoned. after that how much attention -- how many shows on flint since he drank the water? it's things like that that just we don't want to say anything because we don't want to attack him because he's attacked enough. this thing just gets ignored. the woman, the mom who had the first question in the flint debate and she learns that she

was just a prop. that donna brazile fed the question to the campaign. her children are poisoned thinking her question is being heard for the first time by the candidates. it is being heard by one candidate for the first time. the other candidate has been fed the question. she's on tv the week before this election saying i was used. i was used. >> they didn't vote for trump. i am for her. 90,000 michiganders voted for her to vote for president. they couldn't vote for trump. >> right. >> they knew that was wrong. but they -- they were not going

to participate in this -- in what they saw as a system that had left them forgotten and at bay, and that was the end of that for flint and detroit and the state of michigan. and i was there. i was there up until 2:00 a.m. on election morning holding rallies, trying to turn it around on my own. i'm not part of a campaign. i was doing my own thing, and i could see this wasn't going to happen and what i had said back in the summer sadly was going to be true. >> michael, can i ask you this? i think the election is over and we have to understand the pain, the angst, all the things you talk about that led to this result. but my fear for the very people you are talking about is that they voted for a populist with some amount of authoritarian tendencies. >> some amount? >> what they're going to get is an authoritarian with a little populist speak. >> that's ght. and not a very bright one. just watching -- you know, you

did that beautiful thing with the way we were. >> yeah. >> just hilarious. >> oh, my lord. >> that should be on itune. but please do another one, where from yesterday with trump and obama sitting there. do one with how many ums, trying to be such a classy guy, doing the right thing. right? trying to give a tutorial to trump, this is what we were expecting you to do when hillary won and you were calling for people to go to the streets if you lost, this what it should have looked like. but he -- i counted somewhere between 12 and 15 ums. he couldn't quite get it out. trying to be gracious. but just like all that was missing was obama wearing a t-shirt that said "i'm with stupid" because trump is sitting there like, yeah, yeah. yeah. >> well, eight years ago when we were bringing in another president, we were acting like the world had actually, you

know, received -- i'm just saying, expectations are low. let's not -- let's have an open mind. he won. didn't obama say that? i won. >> but i'm not with him on that. i understand why he and hillary have to take that position. they should. that's their job. >> they duty is different from ours. >> their duty is different than our duty. we're going to resist, oppose. these demonstrations you're seeing, when it's in places last night like milwaukee and nashville, not exactly berkeley and ann arbor, all right. this is going to continue tonight and the next night and the next night. all he has to do is start nominatingudy giuliani as attorney general and things like that or the supreme court, this is going to be a massive resistance. there's already women are calling for a million woman march on the inauguration day. and there's going to be the largest demonstration ever on inauguration day and there will be demonstrations, but we're

also going to organize. nothing you have seen, nothing like -- everything they were going to do to hillary, the obstruction they did to obama for eight years and putting her on trial for impeachment, let me say, i was saying to lupica there in the room that here's what's going to happen. this is why we're not going to have to suffer through four years of donald j. trump. he has no ideology except the ideology of donald j. trump. when you have a narcissist like that, he will maybe unintentionally break laws. he will break laws. because he's only thinking about what's best for him. >> aren't you now wishing ill on him instead of -- >> i don't have to wish ill. he is ill. he is ill. he is racist. he is a misogynist, an authoritarian. a philosophy who is no longer with us wrote a book in 1980 called "friendly fascism." and he said the fascism of the 21st century would not be

concentration camps and cattle cars and all of that. it would come with a smiley face, maybe even a tv show. and he would be popular and he would say all the right things and people will willingly bring him in and give up their rights even to him. this is what we're facing. >> so anand, beyond the protests we have seen in the last few days and we'll continue to see, what does that mean? what is that resistance that we keep hearing about? we say there has to be a resistance to donald trump. what does that mean practically? >> i want to get back to something you said this morning about a reset and we owe him an open mind. the president set that tone, hillary clinton set the tone. i want to separate what their duty is as the president as a constitutional officer, he has to do that. this country could be blood in the streets if he doesn't do that. i don't think it follows that we all need to do a reset. that's our own judgments. but i think -- >> like the republicans before barack obama became president. >> analogous but for a very

different reason. >> it's the same thing. >> joe, you have -- >> it's the same thick. so if you didn't criticize the republicans for eight years for doing that, then you certainly have every right to do that as an american. >> let me make the case. i think there is a case for peace, for doing this reset, doing this open mind. let me make the case against it. i think this is someone who was very, very clear and declarative about his personality, his tendency, the way he thinks and very specific things about what he wanted to do. the risk of the reset for me is that we sethe bar very low and we judge him only by what he did the day before and we lose memory. the important of resistance to me right now is not marching in the streets as the only form of resistance, but thinking and remembering and holding him to account for what he has said and being vigilant. when there's a hate crime at a university, being fast to respond to it and thinking about civil society is going to be

really, really important in the next four years in a way it was not in the last eight years. and resistance could just mean the aclu getting more funding and organizations that stand up for refugees getting more funding and people who investigate hate crimes getting more funding. resistance is going to be a multifarious thing. if we judge him by yesterday every day, we're going to miss the plot that he is the protagonist. >> i think you missed the plot when he was running for president. you just said i think this is someone, and you gave me a long list of pretty bad things. you also in your world said i think this is someone who could never win. so we have been wrong before. >> can i say -- >> i never said that. >> a lot of people did. >> i said this man is going to be the republican nominee. i said it on bill maher. everyone laughed. they thought i was joking. i said, well, that's because fellow lefty liberals you don't watch "celebrity apprentice."

most of you don't own a tv, i watch "american idol." i know that jennifer lost to fantasia. >> you're an american. >> i live in america. >> she'll be back. >> i watch the bachelorette. like everyone else, when caitlin picked shaun over nick and the whole country, right, was -- >> what is going on? >> everybody said nick was going to win. >> it should have been nick. >> of course, it should have been, just like it should have been hillary. that's the country we live in. i try to get liberals to understand. >> let me ask you this question. >> come out of the bubble and live in the world your fellow americans are living in. >> you remember ruben studdard. i loved him. >> let me go back to a point anand was making earlier. you want liberals to come out of their bubble, the cadillac liberals to come out of their bubble to understand midamerica. whatmoid mid-america be doing to come out of their bubble to understand the diversity of the

world. >> >> they're not in a bubble -- >> this is the point. hold on, mike. >> cathy kremer -- >> let him answer the question. he's been asked this twice and keeps getting cut off. for somebody who lives in middle america, it's blaming the victim. why don't they understand us in manhattan? i know, but you're asking somebody in flint? you're asking somebody in flint, michigan, who's drinking poison water to understand -- >> hey, guys. i know you don't want to finish the sentence, and i know you don't want him to make the point, but the point will be made. okay. you don't blame the victim, and you don't ask a single mom in flint, michigan, whose kids are drinking contaminated water to understand our feelings in manhattan, to come out of their bubble. oh, no, they're not in a bubble. they're living it every day. michael. >> they're living in hell. if you're lucky enough to have a relative in detroit, you drive the kids an hour and a half every saturday for the one bath

of the week. that's the reality. >> of course. >> and so when the media goes, how can african-american vote be down in flint, this is a black town. well, because they have given up. they have been hurt and abused and attacked, and the system hasn't responded. democrats didn't respond. republicans didn't respond. this was their chance for revenge. this was their chance to say, i'm out of this. i haven't checked out as an american. >> i want to be clear. i think you have a point, joe. i'm not arguing that they have a responsibility. i'm saying manhattan elites. i'm making a larger point about you can't have a republic if curiosity is not a two-way street. i'm not saying spend five hours a day studying the feelings of manhattan elites. >> what are they curious about in. >> curiosity is a state of mind. >> that's why they voted for bernie. th they're curious to find out about the democratic socialist. that's why they elected him over

hillary in the primary. >> i heard somebody say a couple days ago, and michael, i think he'll laugh as it as much as me. people are talking about the competing philosophies of people in middle america were juggling with and all this other, no, i have run for office four times. i know what people think about when they go into the voting booth. they think about one thing. they think about one thing. how do i pay my rent? >> of course. >> how do i get my kid from community college to the state college? if they're in flint, michigan, it's how the hell do i afford clean drinking water for my kids? they are not being philosophical and so many elites in new york city, who let's face it, we can afford to go into the voeing booth and be phisopher kings and rub our chin and say i'm making a point by not voting for either candidate, but michael, they don't have that luxury, 90% of americans don't have that luxury. they vote to survive. >> that's right.

>> three points i want to make really quickly. one is that i understand that middle america and not only middle america but folks catching hell in urban spaces feel a loss of power. i understand their feel disrespected. i also understand a hot lot of people feel they're taking their stuff away. they're deserving, they're working their behinds off and deserve more than they're getting. inreasonp they think they're not getting more is because the big government is taking stuff from deserving people and giving it to undeserving people. the undeserving people are people that don't live in my neighborhood. they don't look like me, don't have the same religion as i do. they don't -- i don't want to marry my children. they are different than me. >> and guess what? >> and those people have been attracted to trump. not these black folk. not these brown folk. not these muslims who are catching hell. part of what i'm trying to get out here is not that middle america lives in a bubble. it's not that i'm some ivy

league phrase free thrilosophern doing what i did. at the heart of this country, it's deep racial animus that animates the very communities that we're trying to lift up. >> can i answer that? >> that elected barack obama twice. i have to repeat it again and then michael i'll go to you. i have to repeat it again because it's maddening. people who live by data should die by data and the data according to nate kohn of the "new york times" says this, and let those who have ears to hear, hear. the very people who helped elect barack obama president of the united states twice just elected in wisconsin, in michigan, in ohio -- >> michigan is not called, but okay. >> and pennsylvania, donald j. trump. it's the data. michael. >> that's right. you have to accept that millions of people who voted for barack obama, some of them once, some

of them twice, changed their minds this time. >> mm-hmm. >> they're not racist. they twice voted for a man whose middle name is hussein. that's the america you live in. even though this country is only 12% black, the vast majority of this country, especially its young people, if you remember, it was really the only white demographic he won in '08 was 18 to 35-year-olds. they poured out in record numbers. they made that happen. but if you put people through another eight years where you haven't -- there's no middle class jobs. they're struggling to get by. the basic things like you said, the price of a box of cereal doub doubles. these are the things that are important to people. they're living from paycheck to paycheck. >> and things are being taken away from them. the democratic party took away their candidate in many cases. >> the candidate who would have won. >> bernie sanders. they took away stuff. >> they rigged the system from

the start against bernie sanders. >> i think i'll say reflecting on that -- >> that's why the democratic party, we have to take over, progressives, have to take over this party immediately. when i hear him, god bless him, howard dean, we love him. but you're either going to go forward into the future or backward. >> if i can step back from the conversation we're having -- >> which has gone way over the top of the hour. >> the ghost of bernie sanders was hanging over this conversation. >> yes. >> bernie was apopulist who wasn't an authoritarian. he heard everything you're talking about. >> and people voted for him. >> and they wanted him. >> and didn't abuse it, didn't exploit it to take it somewhere that has nothing to do with it, like islam. and 2 stat2 states for a socials amazing. >> and a jewish american. >> who was kind of crotchety. >> kind of crotchety?

you don't know him. >> a curmudgeon. >> we talk about big money in politics. the thing i have said all along, donald trump, donald trump wasn't the revolution. even though he's revolutionized politics in a lot of ways because he was obtv just like ronald reagan was on tv for several years. this has actually been done before. he was on general electric theater for eight years in the '50s and early '60s, so everybody knew him. bernie sanders was the revolution. $270 million raised, an average of $28. he would say, because every time you sneeze, you make $3 milln. and he did. it really -- bernie sanders was a remarkable thing. and he was that revolution, willie, that we have seen from the very beginning. a 2016 bernie changed everything. donald trump won. he was a revolution in his own way. because he was a revolution because he destroyed both

political parties. donald trump is not a republican. donald trump isn't donald trump's party. he destroyed political parties, but bernie sanders showed an insurgent candidate how to get elected president, but the democrats wouldn't allow it. they rigged the system, and they papaid the ultimate price by being thrown out of all levels of government. >> it appears the democratic party learned the lesson you are preaching. chuck schumer has backed keith ellison to run the dnc. does that mean someone like elizabeth warren is the leading candidate next time? >> or is that overcorrecting? >> who mika said should run all along. >> running mate. >> they're already talking about -- >> just the direction the party is headed. it has to turn. >> we're going to overcorrect. >> of course, she is. let me ask you this. if on the ballot on the name on the ballot had been michelle obama, who would be president

today? and why don't democrats run more beloved americans? like you mentioned reagan, why don't we run tom hanks. why don't we run oprah? tell me oprah would lose. tell me oprah would lose. why don't we do this? >> so funny you say that because as the trump thing was happening, i was thinking that barack obama's breakthrough in 2008, few people remember it, is when oprah showed up in south carolina. and it was the first huge crowd he had. it was the first time people said, wait a second. that and when david geffen said she was an unusually good liar. i was thinking, if oprah winfrey had won in 2008, she would have been president for the last eight years. we're a celebrity-based culture. and you're exactly right. >> can i say, too, i feel really bad for hillary. she won the popular vote. she will go down in history as the first woman who was elected by the popular vote but didn't take the white house. and this is a historic moment

that we should not forget. i wish, you know, they would never have me on as an adviser in a campaign, but that day she fainted and ditched the press and ditched her -- where did she go? where did she go? she went to her daughter's apartment. she did what moms do. what moms and daughters do. she ditched the whole thing. but when she came out and somebody yelled, in the press, how are you feeling? and i think what could have won the election for her, if at that moment she said, i feel like crap. >> yeah. >> i'm going to go lay down. because bernie, if he had been coming out of his kid's apartment, i feel like crap. why are you asking me the question? get out of here. i have pneumonia. >> what are you doing on my lawn. >> everything was sort of cravenly privatized. >> the last time i was here, i said you have all been around her, so you know. she's great, wonderful, personable, likable, and a great

sense of humor. >> you want to see, for americans who haven't had a chance to spend time with hillary clinton personally, i have said it all the time, i really like her, personally. show the picture of hillary, if you can. if you want to know what she looks like when she's off guard, that's the hillary clinton that all of her friends know. >> beautiful. >> beautiful. the hillary clinton, though, that for some reason she could never show americans. >> anand, you said something earlier that i want to go back on. you said that sort of the spirit of bernie sanders is over the table. it reminds me of -- and this is what people that want to strike out and say, oh, it's all about racism, et cetera, should go back to an april "new york times" story that i thought was pretty remarkable, i'm sure michael, you saw it, too. it showed a shuttered factory and it talked about how members of the same family who had never voted republican before were

split. and that cities that were disproportionately impacted by globalism and technology were overwhelmingly voting for either bernie sanders or donald trump. and some members of families who had always voted democratic split. these two candidates spoke to the same communities. these two candidates actually represented the views of michael moore's america and the middle america that is now trumpland from the jersey border to the oregon border. >> yes, and we know, we actually have less experience with populism recently in our politics. we know from around the world, there's light populism and dark populism and exploitive populism that exploits the views of people, and that elevate it. i have people who are in physical trauma of hillary's loss. and i want to say, don't move to canada. stay here.

>> canada doesn't want us. >> if you do move to canada, go to vancouver. really mild winter. not too far from san francisco. >> great chinese food. >> awesome. i have never been to vancouver. >> stay in america. after your wounds have been nursed a little bit, think about really think about what we learned this year, and don't just quickly go, i actually don't want us to rush to find the next candidate and put it on top of the same party. let's take a little time to think about what we learned. we learned facts this year. >> can we pause and reset? can we have an open mind? >> we can. but i think it's a lot easier to do that when you haven't had someone run on a platform of hate. >> i understand. >> because you can't ask people who have been told because of their color or because of their religion or because of their gender that they are less than. >> but don't block out the very people you came here to defend. >> i understand, but i'm talking about the candidate.

you're asking for an open mind with donald j. trump. >> i am, for those people. >> we need to -- the media, myself, you, everybody watching, needs to talk at thanksgiving dinner to their brother-in-law, to their cousin, to whoever, and have a conversation where we're not yelling and where we listen to each other. and then try to explain, and try to feel, find that common ground. of course, we're upset. one candidate, you mentioned bernie and trump, one candidate sought to not just -- bernie didn't want to blow up the system, but he did want a revolution that would change it. he offered a plan to rebuild. >> right. >> the other candidate said these words. i want to blow up the system and drain the swamp. >> right. >> and never presented an actual plan as to how he was going to -- the great builder didn't present a plan, the blueprints of how he was going to rebuild. >> can i take up your thanksgiving point? >> just one second.

i do want to say this. i wanted to go to eddie on this point, though. common ground. common ground. you know, we should be able to find common ground because you have two candidates, donald trump and bernie sanders, stylistically, as different as could be. idealogically different, and also as far as planning out the future, as different as could be. but people in middle america saw a commonality between those two people. saw a common ground. >> right. >> so shouldn't we try to find the common ground between those two people? and pass legislation in washington to help people in middle america who are hurting? >> i spray. i said on this show numerous times that as much as we wanted to criticize the establishment of the democratic party, we need to ask ourselves, what has the republican party done for middle america? what can we say? so part of what i was trying to suggest is the overall economic

philosophy that has governed this country in the past two decades has devastated and decimated workers. >> that's why donald trump was able to destroy the republican party. >> look at the fundamentals of his platform, because we have seen the basics. a lot of business as usual in some ways. one of the interesting things about the bernie and donald trump thing is that both of them had trouble. both of them in different ways had trouble around race. bernie sanders had trouble in the primary around race because of the plat political establishment, which is indistinguishable for me from the democratic party establishment, but there was an insistence that perhaps he could translate this economic policy because economics and race in the united states are so intimately inextricably bound together, and there was this push among a whole bunch of folks to try to get him to articulate the racial question, right? in light of his economic philosophy, and he just couldn't do it. he was growing. he was moving, but he couldn't do it. but when you drill down to the

numbers of who voted for him, and we need to understand the democratic black electoral is not all of black america, we look at the black millennials. they didn't break for hillary clinton. part of what i'm saying is even in the populism from the right and the authoritarian populism from the right, both got the race issue wrong. >> let's have final thoughts. anand. >> i was inspired by your thanksgiving point. i think a lot of people are dreading thanksgiving this year. i think thanksgiving this year is actually an amazing opportunity. we're going to be around the table, from people who really came out of this very bruised. i want to propose a question that maybe families in america can ask around the table this year, which is what did you learn this year from all of this that changed you? did you learn anything this year that you are willing to say, i was moved by that? i got somewhere i wasn't before. i think that's a place to begin this kind of effort.

>> eddie. >> ditto. i just can't wait to go back home to mississippi. i can't wait for my jamaican in-laws to come for thanksgiving and for us to talk about what this means to us because the future is in our hands, it seems to me. >> michael. >> i think sitting at the thanksgiving table, the thing to do is for all of us to agree that we have more in common than not. if we make a list of the things we care about, we want great schools for our kids, we want to breathe clean air. we do believe the polar ice caps are melting. women, if they're doing the same job as men, should be paid the same amount of money. we agree on more of those things. the somethings we don't agree on, whether it's guns or abortion or gay marriage, you know, let's just agree to disagree. let's have the great debate, and whoever wins it, wins it. >> have you found that -- we say this all the time. we have people come and say, tell me everything is going to be okay. we're so divided as a nation.

and for eight years, for ten years, whether i'm talking to republican crowds or democratic crowds, they always say just what you said. go out to america and whether we're talking to the 92nd street y or in alabama or whether i'm in, you know, bakersfield, california, i hear the same thing from people. they want the same thing. you're right. maybe we're different with guns, on abortion -- >> if i don't want to own a gun, i don't have a gun. if you have a gun, lock it away so the kids can't get to it. >> but on the vast majority of issues, we really are so much closer than washington and cable news and blogs and newspapers would have americans think. >> and we're more decent than we behave. >> yes. >> absolutely. >> well, except for willie and me. the exception to the rule. >> let me just say, i believe hillary did behave decently. >> she was wonderful. >> when you say the we, it's a

euphemism for one candidate. >> all of us. commentators, trolls. >> i don't want the false equivalency of shedecent. bernie was decent. they offered a plan. the man who won through the electoral college did not present that plan and wasn't decent. and hurt a lot of people. i went to the demonstration at union square the other night. i don't know how many thousands were there, but listen to these kids. especially kids of color. they are scared. >> he has a responsibility. he has a responsibility right now. >> in a huge way. >> to bind the wounldz of this country. >> i would endorse anand's call for a two-way street of cultural curiosity from the elites on the coast, cultural conducension is never a good look. try to understand why people in the middle of the country are w who they are, and from the middle of the country, understand the real fears you're talking about that under donald trump black, brown, muslims have right now. and donald trump when he sees these stories like we have seen

the last couple dazes, kids being harassed in middle schools. women being harassed as they walk down the street. he's got to come out and say, there's no place for it. i know i sort of winked at a lot of this stuff during the campaign. i'm now president of the united states, i'm about to be president of the united states. there's no place for it. >> except his first tweet as president-elect late last night was protesters, you know, and he writes, very unfair. very unfair? >> and then somebody got to him and he tweeted a correction this morning. >> what was the correction? i missed it. >> i'll find it for you. >> and goes and has a thanksgiving dinner at a mosque in this country. >> there was a follow-up. i'd only say this, and i will be talking to my republican brothers and sisters around the table because they're the ones who need to be talked to more than anybody, and it's not my job to talk to democrats and tell them what they need to do because it sounds like you guys have that covered. republicans need to understand that it's their responsibility

to seek common ground. it's their responsibility to not make the same mistakes that political parties have made over the past decade. because if they don't, two years from now they will be thrown out of office. think about this. in 2004, george w. bush was re-elected, and karl rove spoke of a, quote, permanent majority. two years later, nancy pelosi was sworn in as the first woman speaker of the house. two years later, barack obama is elected and it's the age of aquarius, the dawn of a new era. republicans are finished forever. two years later, the rise of the tea party. two years later, because of the overreach, the re-election of barack obama. two years later, republicans gain more seats in the midterm than any time since 1928. and two years later, bernie sanders shatters the democratic party, the same way donald trump shatters the republican party.

and if republicans seek common ground, they may actually be able to do what no party has been able to do in last ten years, survive for two years. if they don't, if they don't seek common ground, and if they don't stop making politics the type of blood sport that it was when i was in congress, i'll take the blame, that it was when bill clinton was president, when george w. bush was president, when barack obama was president, they'll keep throwing you out every two years. replacing you with another party, and then throwing that party out and pretty soon, they'll just throw both parties out. so we republicans have to show grace and we've got to seek common ground. and seek it soon. >> and the country's at steak. >> and it country is at stake. let's surprise america. and i think that goes not only for members of congress and my republican friends in congress. that goes for all of us. >> the "morning joe"

thanksgiving challenge. >> there it is. michael moore, anand and eddie, thank you so much for a great discussion that went just a tad bit long, according to our producer. >> about 40 minutes long. >> oh, well. >> still ahead on "morning joe," out of the ashes of the 2016 election -- >> thank you, michael. we appreciate you coming. >> polling rises. steve kornacki joins the table next. >> i don't think it makes a whole lot of sense to do monday morni ing quarterbacking right now. the election is over. donald trump won. between you and me, wolf, i would have loved to have had the opportunity to run against him, but that did not end up being the case. >> but it never crossed your mind that you might have done better against him, you might have actually won if you had been the democratic nominee? >> what good does it do now? you know, the election is over. we have to look to the future. listerine® kills 99%

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welcome back toma "morning joe." joining us from dallas, chairman of the house financial services committee, congressman jeb hensarling of texas. as you may have heard, the "wall street journal" reported yesterday your name is being floated as the potential treasury secretary in a trump administration. have you been in touch with the trump administration? have they offered your that position? >> well, no. if you could allow me this, it is veterans day. as an elected official and as a father, i just, any veteran within ear shot, thank you, thank you, thank you for making us safe, secure, and free. that was an important thing to say. >> amen to that and thank you for saying it. >> willie, you were at an event

last night? >> a veterans group takes care of all the post-9/11 vets. does incredible work. if you're looking for somebody to support, iava. if i could get back to the question at hand, have you been in touch with the trump campaign about treasury secretary? >> the short answer is no. so you're always flattered to see your name on such a list. they spelled my name right. it made my 84-year-old mother happy. but i don't expect a call. it's not a job that i have sought. i don't expect the call. i have a great job. i have a great job in public policy and under a president donald trump it's a far more important job now. he's going to need somebody on capitol hill to help translate his vision, his passion, into policy and into legislative language and actually work it through congress. i think i'm in a really good position to do that. to try to do -- help make the economy work for working people. so i'm far more excited about

the job i have no than i was about 72 hours ago. >> would you be excited in theory about the job of leading the department of treasury? that's a big job, too. >> it is a big job, too. again, it is not something i have sought or contemplated. if the phone rang, i wouldn't block the call. i would have the conversation. but you know what. i don't expect the dallas cowboys to call and ask me to play middle linebacker, but if they did call me, we would have the conversation. >> go ahead. >> what are some of the accomplishments you're looking for to work with president trump in the first 100 days? >> i think he's already outlined, clearly, jobs is one of them. the jurisdiction of the committee i chair has a lot to do with this. we are very concerned about what the dodd/frank law has done for hard-working americans. for example, free checking has been cut in half at banks, and people need checks to pay their health care bills.

credit cards, there's 15% fewer of them. they cost two percentage points more. you need a credit card to pay for groceries. many auto loans are up $500. president-elect trump has pledged he would find a way to repeal and replace the dodd/frank law with something that would end bank bailouts and create economic opportunity for all. in my committee, we have a bill called the financial choice act that does just that. it holds wall street accountable. it holds washington accountable. it helps capital formation. it helps community financial institutions survive because we're losing one a day under dodd/frank. so mika, that has a large portion to do with it. then also, monetary policy. i know probably not 1 in 1,000 study it. it's certainly one of the authors of the original federal reserve act said the study of monetary policy is one of the known causes of insanity, but it's an important part of our economy. i think that president-elect trump fears that the fed has

been politicized, that they're no longer engaged in just monetary policy. but instead, propping up certain markets, and that this is not good. they're supposed to help the entirety of the economy and be independent. so there's work to be done there as well, mika. >> all right, mr. chairman, you'll let us know if the trump campaign or the dallas cowboys call offering a job. >> you'll be the first. >> all right, thank you so much, mr. chairman. coming up next, who will help rebuild the democratic party? chuck schumer puts his thumb on the scale this morning. we'll explain next.

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we will stand up to bigotry. no compromises ever on this one. bigotry in all its forms. we will fight back against attacks on latinos, on african-americans, on women, on muslims, on immigrants, on disabled americans, on everyone. whether donald trump sits in a glass tower or sits in the white house, we will not give an inch on this. not now, not ever. >> still tells it like it is. your favorite. >> it should have been her and bernie. senator elizabeth warren speaking in washington last night. this morning, there could be a front-runner to lead the democratic national committee. sources tell nbc that incoming senate minority leader chuck schumer is backing minnesota

congressman keith ellison to be the next head of the dnc. yesterday, senator bernie sanders who is once again an independent but caucusing with the democrats, backed ellison to head the national party. ellison, an early supporter of sanders, is the chair of the congressional progressive caucus and was the first muslim american elected to congress. >> we're all talking about the future of the democratic party. your still, your two favorites have been bernie sanders and elizabeth warren for long time. >> for a long time, and you know, i think we're going to have to do a period of self-reflection and see who emerges. joining us now, political correspondent steve kornacki and senior political writer and analyst for fivethirtyeight, harry enten. >> guess what? they missed that field goal. >> what happened. >> you knew it as a bills fan. for those of you who don't know, when everybody was saying it's over, halperin and nate silver,

you said -- >> it could happen. >> it could happen because it's the same odds as an nfl kicker missing a 38-yard field goal. >> we spoke about the 2000 election and said that the national polls were off by about four percentage points. if you look at the average of the state polls, what were they off by, an average of four points. these things happen and you have to recogze that polls are not perfect. they give you an idea. we knew the election was going to be close, but it turns out the polls were just a little off and off in the wrong direction for hillary clinton. ergo, she loses. >> you're digging through the numbers every day. the number that stuck out to me is donald trump did better among evangelicals than anybody ever. oh, my lord. let me show you a reel. one of those words would have destroyed any republican who didn't have superhuman powers. i mean, so that's the number that sticks out to me that is shocking. what's the number that really sticks out to you? >> so many of them because there were so many things that were

repeated, we repeated over and over in the campaign that was iron laws of the campaign of 2016 that blew up on election day. here's another one. the republican party is more fractured that the democratic party. if you looked at the republican vote and the democratic vote, republicans were more unified behind donald trump than democrats were behind hillary. marginally, but yes. >> shouldn't have been close. >> here's another one. remember the ceiling? the ceiling on donald trump, low 40s, maybe high 30s. let's talk about bob dole's share of the vote in '96. he's going to be under that. 48% of the vote. 47%, 48% of the vote. he blew through the sealing on election day. all these things that were repeated over and over again. here's another one, the early vote. the early vote, all the banked early vote that supposedly hillary clinton had, that put all of these states off limits, the election was already over. what did the early vote add up to? >> yeah. >> who did not show up for hillary clinton? because it's not like donald trump got some historically

great proportion of the vote. people didn't show up to vote for hillary clinton. who was in that coalition who stayed home? >> i think there were some african-americans who stayed home. what we need to remember is democratic usually win african-americans by 80 percentage points. that's around where hillary clinton won them by, but president obama won them by 90 percentage points and had huge trout in places like detroit. the wayne county vote in mix mish wasn't there for hillary clinton in the same way it was for barack obama. >> mark, what's the number that stands out to you? >> the ones that have been cited are big. union housefields, trump did better in union households than romney did. he did well in counties that barack obama won only once. one of the great mysteries of the obama people as they look at the results is who are all the people who tell pollsters they approve of the job barack obama is doing who didn't vote for hillary clinton? it's a lot of people. >> a lot of people. hispanics, we heard hispanics were going to vote for donald trump in historically low numbers. we saw 17%, 18%, 19% in polls

even a week beforehand, the national hispanic poll came out and it was, oh, only 17% of the vote. how did he end up? >> i think it was 65/29. in 2000 -- >> so he did better with hispanics than mitt romney. >> in 2012, it was 71/27, you see 65/29, a 35-point gap. you look at like florida, you have a large cuban population which is historically republican, at least older generations. you have donald trump taking upward of 40% of the latino vote in florida. >> donald trump got 40% -- >> in the high 30s, i think. >> even close, that's shocking. >> part of that is the cuban vote. but also, it's not just the cuban vote. >> but even the cuban vote, harry, had become less predictably republican over the past decade. >> exactly, you had younger cubans who grew up in this country, but you look at these returns. you go to florida, you go even in nevada, right, where we all

thought that was going to be this blow-out win because of the early vote, and yeah, hillary clinton won, but she's only leading by two, three percentage points. across the board, she didn't do as well as barack obama. >> how many women voted for trump? >> hillary clinton won among women. >> right, of course. >> but not the same margin that most of these polls, the pre-election polls, we were expecting this huge gender gap. while there certainly was one, it wasn't the same type of percentages that the polls, pre-election polls indicated that had hillary clinton winning in these states. >> he lost probably 80% of the news cycles in the general election. >> donald trump did. >> yeah. a horrible campaign. convention wasn't nearly as good as hers. he had one of the worst three-week periods any presidential candidate had, except for the last ten days. >> but you know what is so fascinating is, and you are right. he won the news cycle the last ten days, and yet most of the people who said they made up their mind made up their mind before those ten days. they made up their mind in early

october or september or before. what was that, like 70% or 80% of americans? >> a lot did, but when you look at who decided earlier, they were more likely to vote for hillary clinton than those who decided late. the last ten days, and it's not just comey. even if you go before comey, you saw her lead dropping. perhaps it accelerated it, but it wasn't the only cause of why she lost. >> one thing democrats learned is they have to make a play for rural voters. you had ed rendell saying yesterday he urged the clinton campaign not just to focus on philly and pittsburgh but to get out in the state of pennsylvania. he said brooklyn didn't want to listen to that. now the democrats know they can't win without it. >> and it's -- you're exactly right. and you had howard dean talking about all 50, you know, 50-state strategy. that's what they need to do. i don't know that they're willing to do that. but, you know, there are new coalitions to be built. >> steve kornacki, harry enten,

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rib kauv said in an interview with a russian news agency that, quote, there were contacts with trump's team. and vladimir putin's spokesman said yesterday, russian experts were in contact with some members of trump's staff during the campaign. however, a trump spokesman denies any contact between the campaign staff and russian officials before tuesday's election. russian foreign ministry spokeswoman later described the contact as normal practice, and clarified that the foreign minister was referring to supporters of trump and not members of his campaign staff. she added that hillary clinton's campaign refused similar requests for meetings. a clinton campaign official when asked for comment refuted the statement with a one-word e-mail, false. >> they'll still using e-mails? >> joining us now, president of the council on foreign relations, richard haass, and chris jansing. >> why don't they say paul manafort? you don't have to say staff. >> he's not on the staff anymore.

>> what are you looking for? we have been asking people that have been opposed to donald trump what they needed to see from the president-elect to calm their fears. what do you need to see? what does the foreign policy establishment in washington and across the world that in a way you represent, what do you all need to see to be assured that donald trump is going to be a good, steady hand? >> one thing we're seeing which is the reaching out to traditional allies. given some of the campaign rhetoric, given the centrality of allies to u.s. foreign policy, that's a good thing. secondly, you don't want to see a whole lot of statements. sometimes the best advice is don't just do something, stand there. we don't need to talk about all the things the united states is going to do in the first 100 or first 1,000 days. ultimately -- >> silence is golden. less is more? >> absolutely, less is more, because all these people are saying move the u.s. embassy to

israel or tear up this. it's a good time for calm. the most important thing is to focus on the transition, which is appointments. ultimately the president in a national security space is going to be heavily influenced biez his senior lieutenants. that's the most important thing, to put a team in place that is quality, can work together, experienced and all those things. if you get that right, then the policy is follow. if you get that wrong, you have no chance with policy. >> what are we looking at in terms of what names are out there? >> i don't know what to make of all the stuff. you see names, media suggests some, people on the campaign, transition team suggests some. i have zero idea what if any of that has standing, quite honestly. >> and chris christie is running the transition team, mark halperin. unless we hear from chris christie, we're just not going to know, right? >> even there, a lot of people are speculating about whether he's up for big jobs or whether he may have too much baggage. i think more than ever, because just the unpredictable nature of this, names thereat are floated

now are meaningless. i'm not paying attention to this, until he starts picking people. to hear the notion of jamie diamond as treasury secretary, you couldn't get more establi established that than, but i think he would suffer no political cost if he picked someone from the establishment, and one of the big jobs may go to a democrat. >> on the foreign front, there's so much nervousness in the rest of the world. the president is going to go to greece, to germany, to peru. he's going to be meeting with angela merkel. there was a poll that was just taken on reaction in germany to the election of donald trump. 82% said it was either bad or very bad. the cover of der spiegel, the end of the world. so the president is going to still have a role in going over there, strategizinstrategizing, world leaders. some of them new leaders in

apac, first time he's going there to talk about what he thinks and how they move forward. >> richard haass, just for younger americans who don't remember, it's our responsibility as older americans to explain to young people seeing this sort of reaction to just calm down and relax. ronald reagan, described as the fascist gun in the west by many in europe, unprecedented protest across europe. against ronald reagan. he was known -- he was believed to be a warmonger that would start world war iii. even by jerry ford in the '76 campaign. i know they're not similar in a lot of ways, but we have seen this sort of fear before, haven't we? >> absolutely. and in some ways it makes it then easy for someone like donald trump if and when -- not if, but when he becomes president to reassure, because it doesn't then take a whole lot, if the expectations are that. it doesn't take more than a few

statements to calm things down. that's true domestically as well as internationally. i think there's some opportunity for him in this, in this kind of worst possible case reaction. >> speaking of ronald reagan, what do political observers say his greatest gift was? the power of always being underestimated by his enemies. >> exactly. low expectations. >> just like reagan was always underestimated and mocked, so too has been trump. >> the other thing trump has going for him is the world has not been thrilled with his two predecessors. the general feeling in germany, by the way, really, really anti-43 against george w. bush, and you go out in lots of the world, asia, the middle east, incredibly unhappy with barack obama for a president who is seen as not leading, not acing and let the world down. if donald trump is find that sweet spot between what the world would see as a president who would try to do too much and one who would try to do too little, there could be a welcome for that. >> think about eight years ago. and what it was like.

>> golden opportunity. >> the bar was so high. there was nowhere to go but down. i mean -- >> just the opposite now. >> the thing about barack obama is that he did surround himself, and particularly in these last couple years, with so many smart, talented young people. we have seen him around the country. one of the most -- the smartest things i have heard on the campaign trail -- >> by the way, we have three of us sort of -- four of us, i only say that because his foreign policy apparatus, foreign policy experts believe is the most dysfunctional in modern american history. >> i'm just talking about -- >> three people. >> if you're talking about young people in general and getting people into the system who believe what you believe. in other words, who would support democratic policies, who are going to be the future of the party, the big concern frankly that the president has is those young, talented people who may be thinking about running for office who are going to get into the theater systems are going to be so disheartened

by what they see that there's going to be a long-term impact. there was a latina legislator in utah, she didn't think hillary clinton was going to win utah, but when you see people who look like you in office, when you see opportunities in places where democrats have not had an opportunity, it's a theater system. it begins an idea in people's minds to get involved. dm the reason trump got elected and the reason he has an opportunity is the wrong track numbers not just about domestic policy is about foreign policy, too. 16 years of unhappiness with foreign policy. he has an opportunity to change everything. >> ten seconds, richard. >> that's the sweet spot. find it between an america that withdraws from our world and the america that tries to transform the world. there's some good gray area in between. >> all right. thank you gees so much for watching us this week. that does it for "morning joe." >> what a week. >> election week 2016. please tell your children everything's going to be okay. we live in a great country. we have a resilient system.

we will not only survive. we will thrive. america's greatest days lie ahead as hillary clinton said. >> and stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika, thanks, joe. good morning, i'm stephanie ruhle. we have breaking news overnight. check this out. defiance in the streets. tens of thousands of people across 25 cities protesting donald trump's election. one demonstration turned violent. police declaring it a riot. dozens arrested while donald trump blasts back at them in a late-night tweet. then pulls a 180 this morning, and it was his first visit. the president-elect making the rounds. a 90-minute conversation with president obama. >> we discussed a lot of different situations. some wonderful and some difficulties. >> followed by