madeleine albright joins us tomorrow at "mitchell reports." chris jansing is next on msnbc. >> you always get the big gets, mitch mandrea mitchell. thank you so much. i'm chris jansing at msnbc headquarters in new york. donald trump under pressure. the president takes a swipe at ceos and the media as fallout from his delayed condemnation of white supremacists continues. in the next couple of hours he'll attempt to turn his attention back to the agenda, but can he get anything done? naming and shaming. social media users are outing people who marched with white nationalists in charlottesville, but is it vigilante justice? can it go too far? game on. that's the promise from the defense secretary if north korea makes good on the threat to bomb guam. even as kim jong-un may be

backtracking and guam residents remain on high alert. we start with president trump pushing back against critics. mind you, not talking specifically to those hurt most by charlottesville. the latest comes in the form of a tweet labeling ceos who leave his advisory councils in protest as grandstanders. scott paul is head of a nonprofit that represents all manufacturers. he write, "i'm resigning from the manufacturing jobs initiative because it taos right thing for me do." president trump also has hit the retweet button a couple times today. in one case, that tweet was from one of the more well-known conspiracy theorists on the alt-right. another retweet showed a train hitting a cnn reporter. that was soon deleted. let's go to our white house reporter for the latest.

kelly o'donnell. on monday, the president talked about the bonds of love and the things that bring us together as americans. what happened? >> reporter: well, this is the counterpuncher in chief as he has described himself, that he will smack back if he feels attacked, and that's what we of seen, especially on twitter. so you alluded to it, there was a tweet from the president today, a reaction to those ceos who let's remember this is a much more personal response for the president. these are people he considers to be in his peer group, and when they reject him, that is particularly personal for him. so he says in his tweet that those who are leaving the president's council are grandstanders and others will be willing to join in their place and then jobs, jobs, jobs. the president is in trying to in some ways say this doesn't affect him, it's almost dismissive of the criticism, meaning others would line up to be a part of his council. s that one way for him to try to

turn down the volume of the critici criticism. we've seen a growing number of ceos who have removed themselves from the president's council. under armour, we of e soon the head of disney, also elon musk, various reasons, not just charlottesville, but also the paris climate accord. these are people the president respects who have taken a position for either their corporate identity, their personal views, perhaps both, and the president doesn't take lightly to that, so he is doing what he has been known to d throughout the -- >> obviously, it's raining there so kelly o'donnell, we thank you for that. let's talk more about the members of congress because already they're having to deal with the fallout from the president's response to the violence in charlottesville. take look at the scene in colorado when republican senator cory gardner was asked about it during a town hall earlier today. now, we should note that the audience did appear to have a large number of anti-trump

protesters. >> are you confident that donald trump is fit to lead our country? yes or no? >> let's bring in our panel. david, senior national correspondent for christian broadcasting network, nicholas is an msnbc contributor and political reporter for "the new york times," zerlina maxwell is director of programming for sirius xm and a former member of the 2016 clinton campaign. nick, senator gardner isn't just any senator. he's the head of the national republican senatorial committee which means he's in charge of recruiting and supporting

candidates to help keep the senate majority through 2018. one of the key questions here, what happened in charlottesville, the president's delayed response, has there potentially been lasting damage here for 2018? >> it's hard to say, chris. look, they the factors that are going to pull people into races in 2018 that are going to help or hinder candidate recruitment for cory gardner are money and the quality of the opponents, the primary issue, and of course the state. i think the senate map is actually pretty good for senate republicans. but i do think that the more time the president spends in these kinds of kerfluffles and fight, it's more than a kerfluffle, obviously, the harder it is to recruit republicans who want to run against what will probably be an anti-republican tie. and the more the president knocks down the generic ratings for republicans around the country, the harder it is to recruit good candidates. >> david, what do you make of

these ceos who are leaving? are they grandstanders as the president says? >> well, you know, they could be. they could not be. just depends on how he -- obviously, he sees it a certain way and there always be a difference there. look, the reality is that donald trump is just tired of people kind of cutting bait and moving on. we want them to stand -- >> is this about moving on or somebody standing up for what they believe in? >> let me fin you shall the point, if they go ahead and if they are serious about economic improvement and their company and all of that, they would think that's what's going on around the country would be, that would be something that they would want to see done. you know, one thing that donald trump does, he brings this all to the forefront and brings out very sensitive matters. i pi that's an understatement. in the public discourse. because of that, he starts to out, if you will, many folks who give real views about certain issues, and therefore because of that, we start to see -- >> i'm not understanding what

you're saying, david. he brings out real views. i don't understand what your point is. i'm sorry. >> i'm just trying to simply say he's the guy that goes ahead and just straight shoots, tells it like it is and because of that, certain people, certain organizations start to reveal their true colors, whether it be more of a liberal bent -- >> this isn't straight shooting. this is about him not saying something. >> you didn't let me fin you shall. >> this isn't straight shooting. this is about him not responding to what happened in charlottesville. there's a difference. >> you know, it is fascinating that you're trying to react to something that i said when i was about 35% to 40% done with my answer. >> go ahead. >> so what i'm trying to say is that when trump puts everything out there on the table, people start to reveal their strtrue color, whether it be a liberal or conservative slant. that's all i'm saying. that's human nature. >> let me play you what republican congressman charlie dent said, his reaction to trump's second statement on charlottesville. >> he came out yesterday with a

better response, but it looked a little bit forced an halfhearted pip think what's affecting the president here is the fact that his prior statements during the campaign were, you know, he went after, you know, made some attacks on mexicans, muslim, the innnd judge, and i think it makes these situations even more treacherous for president. >> so when you talk about true colors, is part of the problem that the president has this record that-might lead people not the give him the benefit of the doubt in this instance? dent didn't even mention trump's long-delayed announcement of david duke, the former kkk wizard. >> are you asking me that, chris? >> i am. >> a couple things. first of all, look, the reality is that donald trump just goes ahead and says what he says and people are going to have to obviously deal with what he sz and, look, i mean, i don't even see quite the issue here. the truth of the matter is that this is something that he's done from the very beginning, so i'm not quite sure -- look, should hef said something saturday?

sure he should have. and he didn't. now he says something monday and the immediate meade ya goes crazy with the fact he led with economic news instead of charlottesville. hashtag got to be trump's fault. everything is trump's fault. it's interesting. >> what is the issue? >> racism and donald trump's long history of saying things that are race u out loud and normalizing racism to the point where certain people who had been in the shadows, certainly white supremacy and white supremacists and white nationalists, that's not a new phenomenon. what's new is they are em bowdened by this president and are able to go out in public without any masking of their faces and proudly declare that they are supreme over other races of people. so donald trump has given comfort to this group of people whether it be his not renting to black people, whether it be his calling for execution of the central park five when those young men were innocent of the

crime. whether it be retweeting who ii supremacists, attacking a mexican judge for his heritage even though he actually is an american citizen. these are things that are on the record and -- >> do you reed anything into the fact that the president directly by name only attacked one of these ceos? and it was the first one so, maybe that's the reason, but also the only one who is african-american. >> that's a dog whistle, essentially. he doesn't hesitate to attack the black ceo who drops off the council, but he does hesitate when calling out david duke or denouncing david duke, a former grand wizard of the kkk. why is that? what message is he sending to this particular group of americans that what they believe is actually okay? you look at what richard spencer and david duke said this weekend alone, they said we believe in donald trump, he's going to bring about the america we want to see, and that america does not include people who look like

me. >> he said he doesn't want anything to d with those type of groups. >> no, he has not. >> hold on for a second. he said in 2016 i disavow them. he talked to "new york times" about them. he said those groups is what he said and then went on and actually named them. the bottom line is evangelical christian leaders, all of them have a responsibility to denounce all of this by name, kkk, neo-nazis, they have nothing, nothing -- and let me say that in all caps -- nothing do with true biblical christianity at all. just because they claim their v they're christian doesn't mean it's so. >> i agree with that. the ones in charlottesville surrounded by white supremacists wi assault weapons, that's problematic, something we haven't seen since the '60s. donald trump has not denounced these groups. >> he has. >> three members associated with white nationalism work in the white house right now. >> nick, i want to get to you one more time.

i want to ask another question about the president, who seems to create many of his own problem, by walking away when he had an opportunity to answer a direct question about denouncing them, he did not do it, did not take that opportunity. he waited 50 hours to do this whereas he waited i think a matter of minutes before he denounced the merck ceo. he retweeted the defense from jack about how there's no outrage over the deaths in chicago. for people who don't know who he is, the "l.a. times" summarizes his body of work. trump retweets alt-right media figure who pushed pizzagate and seth rich conspiracy theories. why can't he give these people up? >> it's an important question. i heard two minutes ago david gave an eloquent denunciation of neo-naziism on behalf of evangelical in simple language in about ten words. it seems to somehow elude this president to say things like nazis are evil and they

shouldn't wear my hats. it's the easiest thing in american politics. it's layup. there are always crazy nazis coming out and endorsing candidate who is don't want their support. unfortunately, it's a ritual of american politics. those candidates learn to say this person isn't with me, i'm against them. the president seems ham strung, proceeds with caution, doesn't want to g directly at those kinds of people. i'm not sure why, but his actions speak for themselves i think. >> one last thing -- >> quickly. >> jesus was not a white guy from kansas. he was a middle eastern man. the reason i say that is because donald trump has jewish grandchildren. that has to be part of the nary tooif. everyone wants to talk about he's there, he's that, he has jewish grandchildren, his son-in-law is jewish. that's not going the play well with the kkk and the neo-nazis but apparently that's not part of the discussion. >> nor did it stop him from not saying that directly. >> i'm just saying that to put it out there. >> -- not saying it directly when he had the first

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jeremiah wright now voters in alabama are electing their first senator in two decades. it's republican primary day. donald trump tweeted support this morning. could be a rough night for incumbent senator luther strange. roy moore -- something's wrong here -- ahead in the polls, here he is, voting via horseback earlier. that he picture threw me off, but that's what he did, rode in. strapg picked by the now former governor to take over for session sgs but he finds himself tied to the senate's lackluster performance, accusations he's too cozy with mitch mcconnell. >> i told the president, we were talking about that, he said we both shared the frustration. i've been in washington, in the government a month less time than he has, so we're both incredibly frustrated by the

lack of performance by the senate. so, you know, we'll have to get back to work. >> msnbc's garrett haake is in hoover, alabama, which is just south of birmingham. steven kornacki is over at the big board for us. let's go to you, garrett. i don't know if you saw the horse, but what are voters telling you about what matters to them in this race? >> reporter: we did see the judge roy moore voting on horseback or at least the photos of it. that's part of why he's popular in alabama, this perception he's an authentic guy, that no matter what else, he'll be who he is. ma that's why he might win this thing tonight, at least be the first-place finisher in the primary. the dynamic here that's interesting when you tack to these voters, they want somebody who will stand up shoulder to shoulder with donald trump and support his agenda and somebody who's going to kind of pleau up the system and move things through the swamp of washington, but that doesn't really exist with one person in this race right now in part because donald trump endorsed luther strange,

who as you pointed out is also endorsed by mitch mcconnell so, you have strange, who's seen as both the establishment guy and the president's guy versus roy moore and mo brooks, the freedom caucus congressman who said let's throw out the 60-vote rule for fill buster, let's blow up the senate and jam things through. that's all create kind of a muddle here, and this polling place, back in 2016, they had hours, lines -- hours-long lines to vote. it's special election, of course that won't be the case, but you see the lack of enthusiasm when you talk to some of these voters out here today, including this gentleman i spoke to. listen how he explained his vote for luther strange. >> i find all of them, to be honest with you, to be ineffective, and not that luther strange would be the most effective. i find him to at least be maybe the most diplomatic about doing some things. >> reporter: the least bad option, essentially?

>> pretty much. pretty much. po. >> reporter: so maybe the most diplomatic, least bad option is not a great bumper sticker going into a runoff, chris, but that's what we of got here. strange is still fighting for that spot in the runoff and they'll have several more weeks of campaigning down here in what has been a very negative campaign so far. >> garrett, thank you. an expensive one, too, steve. luther strange had the endorsement of president trump in a state where he's popular. we talked about mitch mcconnell. he also has gotten millions of dollars soshg why isn't this a cakewalk for him? >> this is an interesting test. this is sort of the average of all the polls we of soon afshha. luther strange, we're testing two very powerful and very different forces, though. visualize it this way. in the middle here of the scale, you have luther, big luther they call him, he's 6'9", big luther strange anditis question of which one of these factors will outweigh the other. he's being dragged down

potentially on one side by voter anger at the establishment, really at two establishments, you have mitch mcconnell, the senate republican lead, he's behind luther strange, not popular with the conservative grassroots, and this guy right here, you recognize him, the disgraced former governor of alabama, robert bentley, who appointed luther strange a few months ago in one of thiz final acts as governor before resigning and pleading got two misdemeanors. is this going to drag down luther strange or donald trump the sort of anti-political establishment, anti-republican establishment force who's backing him, will he sort of absorb all the damage to strange from that establishment association. remember, here's the key, donald trump in 85% approval rating with alabama republicans, one of the most popular groups of voters in the country, groups that trump is popular with, alabama republicans. can that undo all of the establishment baggage that luther strange brings to this race? that's sort of the test we'll see play out today.

>> above the national vrng alge. where are the democrats in all of this? >> there is a democratic primary today in alabama and democrats are starting to make some noise. they say especially if roy moore wins the republican nomination, they say maybe he's too extreme, maybe there's an opening there for a democrat, moore, remember, is the judge who defied the ruling to take the ten commandments this monument down years ago, said he wasn't going to enforce the gay marriage supreme court ruling. the interesting thing on the democratic side, the establishment wants doug jones, a former u.s. attorney, a lot of endorsements for doug jones, there's been polling showing him losing against the candidate who really isn't known to democrats anywhere, but he has a name, robert kennedy jr., not related to kennedy family, but that name may carry him if a primary over the democrat candidates want to nominate. something to keep an you on as the returns come in. >> i always wish you had more

energy, corn continusteven korn. thank you both. >> is there a danger to of going too far? and the charlottesville attack signed the spotlight on white nationalists. is there science behind profiling a racist? we'll break that down.

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as of today in the wake of the racist charlottesville rally, the twitter account yes, you're racist, now has almost 400,000 followers. it's aimed at exposing the identities of the people at that rally or is it justice or vigilanteism? let me bring in jo ling kent. >> this is a big debate online right now. a lot of individuals have been named and shamed and called to be expelled from their schools or fired from their jobs. i want to show you a picture of university of allan nevins, reno, student, peter. he confirmed he traveled across the country to attend the unite the right rally over the weekend and actually ended up getting death threats to his name. this is what he responded when we asked him about what this

experience has been like for him. >> i understand the photo is very bad looking but i don't believe they should threaten my family. you can call me a nazi, you can hate my ideology, but i wouldn't threaten anyone. >> now, the university of allan nevins, reno, has not expelled him from school even though there have been calls on social media to d that or heeded any of the calls to fire him from his campus job, but they did come out with a statement after a lot of presh sure to say they do not agree with the particular beliefs that were espoused at the particular rally in charlottesville over the weekend. also, celebrities weighing in, chris. jennifer lawrence using her 16 million facebook followers and she is calling for individuals to be named in her facebook post, she says, these are the faces of hate. she posted several photos. look closely, she says, and post anyone you find. you can't hide with the internet, you pathetic cowards. so jennifer lawrence there saying that this is something

that she believes in, but certainly very easy in any sort of participation or demonstration if you g out there, the smartphone camera is very much out, chris. >> obviously and we know at least one person has been fired from a job as a result of this or was forced to leave their job. >> correct. >> having said that, i think the concern some people have, even those who want these people to be recognized is could there be people misidentified. >> yes, definitely, and it has happened. an individual, kyle quinn, at the university of arkansas, was misidentified and he was thousands of miles away and ended up fearing for his safety according to "the new york times," and there's a very unfortunate situation. but the experts that we've been talking to say as soon as you set foot out, even if you are not there, you have to take measures to from text yourself and it often is unfair. >> jo ling, thank you so much. officials from california to massachusetts bracing for white nationalist rallies and hoping to prevent a repoot of the violence in virginia. what is the real strength of these far-right force now?

e a cultural analyst and a director of afrikaan studies at lehigh university. james, does making faces, putting faces to names digital shaming work? what do you make of what we of seen over the last 48 hours or so? >> yeah, this is a little bit trick ti ki for me. i'm not sure if it works in terms of what we need to be trying to accomplish in terms of our long-term goals with confronting and rooting out systemic racism in our country. i think that people want to act because so many folks out there want to distance themselves from the kkk frshs the confederate flag wavers, from the neo-nazi groups so they're looking for any kind of tool to d that and that's why they're trying to out them. for folk who is to-do subscribe to those beliefs, i'm proud of the beliefs i subscribe to. i believe in quality and equity, access to education, and i have

no problem people knowing those things. people should be proud in what they believe in, and if you're not proud in what you believe in, you should check what your belief system is. it gets very comply catted once you have folks on the internet acting as individuvigilantes be there's very little chance that fairness will prevail in those circumstances. and so this is a comply caughted issue once you add that layer to it. >> it does seem like what happened in charlottesville and the attention it got has emboldened some folks because they're already talking about when they'll do more of these rallies. the organizer of this rally said, yes, i will be going back to charlottesville. is it part of a trend? have people felt emboldened to come out from behind computer screens and take to public squares? >> without a doubt. ever since the white nationalist movement discovered donald trump or started to believe his campaign and presidency endorsed them, they of become incredibly emboldened. their numbers have surged,

activity online as urged and they've been inspired to take their activism away from just computer screens and into the public square because they believe they have broad support, not just from the president but also from his other supporters. >> we've seen how the ability of people to connect with others, with extreme ideologies has fueled other kinds of groups including terrorists, obviously. but as i watch this, and you can feel the hate, you can feel the anger, do we have good studies on what makes someone a racist, what makes someone say i identify with adolf hitler? who are these people? >> well, we have to also take a historical look and see that ever since the evolution of slavery, we have had an organized white supremacist movement i merge with every attempt to institutionalize white supremacy. we see that at the end of the

civil war, see it again with the civil rights movement, and we're seeing it now around the removal of confederate icons. but the people who are attracted to it, i mean, unfortunately now given the proliferation of these groups online, anyone with a browser can find these ideas and become engrossed in them and start to believe the conspiracies that shape them. >> i guess what i was trying to figure out is, are we at the nature or nurture kind of question? i mean, do you have to be brought up in a family where there is hate to identify with this kind of hatred? what do we know about this, james? >> what we know, chris, is that people are not born racist, so, yes, they have to be nurtured into it, but i think sometimes we get distracted by the very explicit, loud, flag-waving,

confederate flag-waving racists, but the reality is that the real challenges around race are systemic in nature and they're embedded in our very societies about access to education, access to health care, life expectancy, the criminal justice system. there are full-blown systemic forms of racism every day, not as spectacular as charlottesville but they require the same amount of effort. if we're committed to rooting out and confronting racism in our society, yes, we have to address the sort of terrorism that occurred in charlottesville and at mother emanuel church in south carolina and we have to look at the everyday iterations of how race to operates in our society, because that's where you can sort of get to the systemic roots of it and actualry address the problems in a more holistic way than responding knee jerk to each sort of version of bad behavior when it comes to race. >> sofie, there are people on the far right and "the washington post" writes about

this today, claiming they're victims of a war on whites and part of that obviously is about the economy, but does the economic data support that? >> no. and the -- most white nationalist groups really advocate this idea that a race war is happening use faulty information to say that white people are being attacked and hurt by people of color in pretty extreme numbers. so people who encounter this information can sometimes end up believing it and then become radicalized to think that there is a race war, white people are being attacked and there needs to be some self-defense. this counteracts fbi number, security experts that show that most violence happens within racial groups in the united states, not between racial gruchs, so it's an entirely fabricated idea but one that is very much at the associate-a lot of white nationalist organizing

and young people who end up finding that idea can sometimes believe it and it can lead to violence. >> sophie york james, james peterson, thanks to both of you. great conversation, one which we hope to continue. meantime, north korea's military presents plans to its leader to launch missiles into the waters near guam. but is unkim jong-un back trkin on his threats? and president trump says the senate majority leader may need to step aside if he can't push his agenda through. but given the president's misstep with charlottesville, has he made it harder to get anything accomplished? (boy) sorry. (dad) don't worry about it. (mom) honey, honey, honey, honey! (vo) at our house, we need things that are built to last. that's why we got a subaru. (avo) love.

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prevagen. the name to remember. check out kim jong-un smiling. state media says he's reviewing plans to order missiles in the direction of guam. but he hasn't decided whether to give the okay, saying he's first going to watch stupid american behavior. well, here's defense secretary james mattis responding to that. >> i think if they fire at the united states it could escalate into war very quickly, yes. that's called war if they shoot at us. if they do that, then it's game on. >> nbc's tammy leitner is in guam. what's happening on the island? >> reporter: hey, chris. i can tell you there are some mixed emotions out here and a lot of confusion. now we spoke with the adviser to

homeland security and he described their attitude as, quote, almost ek at theic at what they believe is kim jong-un backing down. lieutenant governor echoed that sentiment. in fact, this is the headline in today's paper. but i can tell you, chris, not all of the residents here share that sentiment. and the tension was added and piled on overnight when an alarm went off across the tvs and radios here issuing an emergency alert. we did confirm with homeland security this was just a test, human error, it should not have gone out, but unfortunately many of the residents here in guam didn't realize it was a test until the following morning. some of them actually thought that north korea was attacking. we spoke with one resident who said she feels trapped here on the island. let's listen so what she had to say. >> i was born and raised here. e i mean, i don't know what we should do, if we should leave but i have my mom and my siblings here, so i can't just

leave them behind. so i guess whatever happens, happens and i'm just praying for best that it doesn't happen. >> and these threats have been coming from north korea for decades so, while the residents here on guam are used to it, they're definitely not immune to it. back to you guys. >> tammy leitner in guam, thank you for that. let me bring in msnbc national security analyst and executive editor of defense one, kevin baron. what's causing kim jong-un to blink or is he? >> i don't know that this is a blink, actually. i of read a lot of the headlines say he's standing down, scrapping his plans. be careful. he hasn't scrapped his plans. he said they're going wait. but this is kind of what a lot of folks think have been the plan all along. north korea wanted to achieve two thing, an icbm that could reach the united states and a miniaturized nuclear weapon on top of it. they have both those things now according to the u.s. intelligence community and there's a new consensus about that, so they now have achieved

what they wanted to. they never said they wanted to d more than that other than the bluster. so you've got both sides who have really armed themselves to the teeth, aligned all their forces, ready to go. the question is now what? >> the secretary of defense says it's game on if north korea acts ochb the on these guam plans. what do you think it is that's gotten us to this point? and what does game on mean in that case? >> well, game on, that sounds like good old jim mattis that we know and love. he's also saying the united states remains a sentinel. ash carter, much softer spoken, just a few months ago, the previous defense secretary, every chance he could when he talked about north korea, he would reinforce that the united states remains quote, ready to fight tonight. that's the motto of u.s. forces on south korea on the peninsula right there. so the united states has always had all military options on table.

of course the if a united states territory is attacked by a foreign military, it's game on. what we're supposed to do is watch actions a little more closely, especially from the top down. you have the two leaders, trump and kim, you know, who are saying what they say, but then generals on the american side speaking at a pretty flat tone saying, we're ready to d our job if asked and nobody wants to g there. >> rex tillerson saying just this morning that the u.s. still wants to think about talks. so we will continue to watch and talk about it. kevin, thanks so much. >> you bet. thanks. >> the first ceo, president, unable to keep business leaders on board. three ceos walking away from the president's council, but is it about morality or money? once upon a time a girl with golden locks broke into a house owned by three bears. she ate some porridge, broke the baby bear's chair, and stole some jewelry, a flat-screen tv, and a laptop. luckily the geico insurance agency had helped the bears with homeowners insurance.

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in just over an hour, president trump will sign an order on infrastructure which no tangible sign passing an infrastructure bill will happen. that is one of the bigger campaign promises that will be tougher to keep with poll numbers on a steady slide and controversies like charlottesville pushing away many business leaders.

is trump empowering the powerful? from politics to business to to pose him. joining me, msnbc contributor josh barro, tim carney of "the washington examiner." tim, the president struggling in the polls but got a little bump today in the the president struggling in the polls. the polls i find most interesting are those with republicans. he's struggling with those. he's seen a big drop in those who strongly approve of him. he's dropped 14 points since february. does this encourage republicans to say, you know what, i'm going to go my own way here? do you see an increase in the distancing? >> there's a whole spectrum of how you could distance yourself from the president. we saw it during the 2016 election, where you had pat toomey running for senate in pennsylvania where he wouldn't comment on donald trump. will you get republicans running against trump, speaking out

against him? we had jeff flake doing that yes, the answer is yes, these guys are politicians. what's going to cause them to move away from trump further is his low approval ratings. i don't think you'll see many of them foreswearing him. the presidency being in your party is far too powerful for them to push away that asset. >> how do you see -- let's talk real world here, how this might affect things that are really close and upcoming. >> there are a number of these must pass things that have to come through congress, they have to raise the debt ceiling. and the president's low poll numbers and the dissatisfaction and increasing -- it used to be the republicans in congress were afraid of the president, i think they're less afraid of him than they used to be. i think it means he has much less leverage in these fights. it's been an internal fight

within his administration whether to seek concessions. mull veinny has wanted a spending cut deal as a part of that. the president won't be much help getting that through. democrats will end up with a substantial amount of leverage. their votes will be needed to raise the debt ceiling. basically, it will be the president getting jerked around. he will have to sign because he has so little power to control what comes out of there. >> they separated it into must do. when you have a situation where we look at the wish list, and the fact that he was criticized a lot for getting in the way of health care reform before, because he keeps distracting from the issue he wants to talk

about. today, another example of that, he's going to be talking about infrastructure in an hour from now. that's what he wants the focus to be. but early in the day, he starts retweeting something from somebody who is a known conspiracy theorist on the alt/right. how does that help him. can the leadership say in anyway shape or form, we can depend on donald trump, when he keeps stepping on his own message? >> i mean, you remember infrastructure week, what was that, june or july, which turned -- i think that's when he fired comey. all of this stuff is a constant distraction. i guess this is another infrastructure week, should we expect something else. it's a constant distraction that discipline is an important skill in politics and something donald trump has never acquired. he's not going to acquire here in his 70s. when you talk to republicans back when you realize he was getting the nomination 14 months ago 13 months ago.

what their hope was, paul ryan could write the bills and trump would have a big signing ceremony and he would be a nonfactor in this. that hasn't happened in this. i always thought it was foolish, i think maybe republicans were overly hopeful in looking for it, right now, it seems he's derailing the republicans ability not just to pass trump's agenda, but to pass any sort of agenda. >> he's pushing them to do things that are anti-trump -- they didn't do some of the recess appointments he wanted them to do. they have to come up with a bill to say, you can't fire robert mueller. what does that say about what his power is? >> i think we're seeing two sets of reactions in congress to trump. why don't you stand up to the president more? i think on issues where the president is off the rails in terms of the rule of law, or

trying to do things on policy they've done a lot to constrain him. they passed that russia sanctions bill. any effort the president wanted to take, whether for ideologic reasons, congress is boxing him in so he can't do that. i think people don't reflect on how significant this is. they don't have to hold hearings on russia at all. they're holding them. that's an unusual thing for a party to be doing to a president of its own party just months into his term. you have agenda issues. i think republicans in congress are trying to send him bills he can sign. the problem is, on health care, the party was incoherent on what it wanted. and stwrumd wasn't helpful in the way they would have wanted.

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that wraps up this hour of msnbc live. my colleague katy tur picks things up now. >> it's 11:00 a.m. out west. and 2:00 p.m. in the east.

we begin this hour with the president failing to stand up to hate. failing to live up to the title. instead of letting yesterday's belated condemnation of neo-nazis, white supremacists stand, the president lashed out at business leaders spread an image of violence against the media, promoted more alt-right figures on social media. and seemed to confirm he will pardon a man who was found guilty of racially profiling latinos. our word of the day is chances, as in how many chances does this president get to rise to the office, not cowher to his base. >> the foulout continues many. >> i was miffed when he attacked ken frazier. i thought it was a cheap shot. other ceo's stepped off that council, he didn't attack them. they weren't african-american either.