aaccount today because we are talking about daca. tune into that and thank you for watching me. "deadline: white house" with nicolle wallace starts right now. hi, everyone. it's 4:00. republican senator corker delivered the inconvenient truth about trump saying he lacks stability and confidence. here is the exchange this morning. >> do you stand by what you said about the president, about how he hasn't demonstrated the stability -- >> so, you know, i don't -- i don't make comments without thinking about them. >> those comments that the senator says he thought through before hand and stands by were these, that he made in tennessee during the summer recess. >> the president has not yet -- he has not yet been able to demonstrate the stability nor

some of the competence that he needs to demonstrate in order to be successful. >> the questions about the president's stability and competence are particularly relevant today as republicans were blindsided by the president's deal making with democrats this afternoon. while they were still trying to decipher the four separate statements that the administration made yesterday on daca and ending with the late night tweet that seemed to imply that the president would take executive action on daca if congress failed to legalize the program. before we get to the reporters we should let you know we're keeping an eye on the president who is preparing to speak in north dakota. if he veers from his prepared remarks on tax reform and breaks any new ground on daca or the deal with the democrats we'll bring it to you. but joining us right now is kasie hunt, nbc news capitol hill correspondent. i was trying to sneak in a thank you for filling in for me last

week. i got all tangled up. >> i enjoyed it. >> you got lots of love. ashley parker, also an msnbc political analyst and mark leibovitz from "new york times" magazine. kasie, let's start with you and this new relationship it seems -- a new productive relationship that the president seems to have with democrats. >> it's remarkable, nicolle. i have to tell you, all of us who are up here every day and many of whom have been for years are marveling and feel like we're in a brave new world that's been up ended because he called the leaders in after a month of being away and ignored what his own party said they wanted as they sat around the table and instead went with what democrats had essentially put out there as something of a negotiating ploy. so around 10:00 in the morning, chuck schumer and nancy pelosi say, okay, we'll add a three month debt ceiling to harvey. now why, does that benefit if

democrats? it gives them tons of leverage to get a better budget deal and they knew it would not going to happen, that mcconnell would want six months or 18 months and paul ryan said they're playing politics and then they went up to the white house and the president sat down and rejected the republican's call for an 18 month debt ceiling. that would have cleared the midterm election, saved the republicans a lot of political pain. rejected a six month compromise and midway through the meeting he accepts schumer's and nancy pelosi's bid and of course republicans not happy about that. mitch mcconnell proposed adding three months of government funding to the package. we are told that ivanka made an awkward appearance at the end of the meeting as well but republicans had to swallow their pride, i guess we'll do what the president wants, even though it's what chuck schumer and nancy pelosi want. they were the ones calling this a happy ending, mitch mcconnell

said you know what, i'll vote for i. but he wasn't up here trying to sell it. so, you know, i'm interested to see if this is part of a new pattern or if it's a one off. what kind of problems mitch mcconnell has behind the scenes but it's a real changing of the calculus here. >> and kasie, since you were here on the day that bob corker made those original comments where he really became the first presidential ally, the first person who saw donald trump up close as a candidate and as a president to say out loud what so many people will only say in private he wonders if the president lacks the competence and stability for the job he has. today he stood by those comments, he said he never says anything without thinking it through first. i wonder if the relationships between republicans and this white house have simply grown too toxic. >> nicolle, i think that that is the question that's going to underscore everything that

happens and it's one -- it's a little hard to get to in a succinct question but the list of things that happened while they were away, from charlottesville, to fire and fury in north korea, to attacks on mitch mcconnell, and jeff flake, all of it led up to bob corker making those comments which, you know, i'm told privately were very deliberate. i mean, he knew he was going to speak straight to the president when he said it and he -- you know, he made a conscious decision. i think you saw him there stick by it and in a remarkable way. mitch mcconnell of course met privately with the president yesterday. did not say anything negative about the president today necessarily from the podium. but also didn't really offer a broad defense of him either. every time you talked to aides up here to the speaker, to majority leader, everybody is incredibly frustrated. i just -- the only thing that keeps me from saying outright there has to be a break somewhere is that there hasn't been a break yet. they have all hung in there and

we'll see if it can survive december. they have some big tests if they follow through on this deal that the president has supposedly cut with democrats today. >> ashley parker, let me share with you the photo of donald trump with his new partner in deal making, chuck schumer. there he is. looks like he's giving him some sort of embrace as they solidify whatever deal they just made on the debt ceiling. and bob corker today doubling down on his assessment that the president lacks a stability and competence for the job. the president sort of yesterday giving a perfect exhibit of maybe the lack of stability. at least consistency by letting his administration speak out four different times on daca. the president started the deal with an early morning tweet. then jeff sessions delivered an on camera announcement and then the president delivered the written statement and then the

president after perhaps watching a little bit of cable news coverage, what an unpopular decision he made, tweeted that if congress didn't legalize daca he would revisit in six months. where do things stand between the president and republicans on capitol hill? >> well, just as the markets want stability that's what the republicans on capitol hill want. that's the one thing that the president clearly hasn't been able to provide. and so when he does you know what he did yesterday in making numerous statements on one issue, they were working hard behind the scenes, and then today cutting a deal with the democrats it frustrates republicans. you know, at the very least and in a way it sort of liberates them in the way that the president has been attacking his own party, going after members of leadership by name and i asked them a lot of them and aides what does this mean? does it make them more hesitant to cross him because they're worried about a tweet or a comment or less likely and the answer than a resounding -- has

been a resounding, look it frees them to do what they think is right because they can't count on and trust this president for anything. if they can't work with them, they can chart their own path although we haven't seep any clear breaks just yet. >> mark, there's a clear cycle of abuse. i don't know if there are any big little lies fans out there. there's abuse and makeup where they'll do something dramatic together like tax reform and health care. but there's a clear pattern of cyber bullying. he attacks paul r and mitch m on twitter. i want you to watch sarah huckabee sanders who not once, not twice, but three times attacked congress from the podium yesterday. we'll talk about if this is a little bit of strategiry on the other side. >> that's their job, if they can't do it, then they need to get out of the way and let somebody else who can take on heavy lift and get things accomplished. and again, if they can't, then they should get out of the way and let somebody else take their

job that can get something done. if congress doesn't want to do the job that they were elected to do, then maybe they should get out of the way and let someone else do it. >> so mark, sounds like in the same way that the media was the big fat enemy for much of the first eight months, congress is the new scripted nemesis. >> well, yeah. i mean, i think that sort of goes a little bit to the dichotomy that kasie raised earlier which is is this a one off or a longer term relationship between trump and the democrats? i mean, i do think we'll sort of see how this day progresses. i mean, will the president see the cable coverage of this, will he read what's written that says he got rolled or will he overcorrect after a call from steve bannon or something and go back the other way, but at the very least what sarah huckabee sanders said yesterday, what the president said today, you can

tell by the body language today is that look, not only has the president maybe determined that not only is he not that popular, paul ryan and mitch mcconnell are not that popular. he's made no big deals with them. why not try this, and as much consternation among the republicans for what the president did today, i'm guessing there's a big center out there who see this as, hey, it's responsible. storm recovery, you know, money is being allocated. we're not going to lose our stock portfolios to some debt ceiling crisis in the next few months and they don't think in terms of the short term, you know, tactics and sort of capitol hill speak around this. so maybe they're trying something else, but at the same time we'll see what a few hours brings. >> hallie jackson, nbc news -- chief white house correspondent is joining us right now. let me put this question to you. does the white house view the effort at working with republicans as a failed one and is this deal with democrats as mark leibovitz suggests a responsible step for the

president to take to keep the government functioning? >> you know, i think it's really interesting question. and i apologize for being late to your show because i was having conversations -- >> don't ever apologize, no pressure. >> what was the strategy, what was the president thinking? had he made up his mind prior to getting into that room in the oval office today with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, yes, he would take it down from this longer term, 18 months to something shorter term? early indications are there was some real discussion happening in that room that the president was sort of very much listening let's say to what the democrats had to say. i also think that when you look at how this unfolded and sort of where this goes from here, there's obviously as kasie and i think i heard her talking about the frustration on the hill right now. i think that the white house has been frustrated with what aides

have seen, sort of lack of progress on the hill. now, you can point fingers in a lot of directions for the reason why health care reform didn't get done. but that is still the sentiment and there's this idea now that the strategy was in fact to as the top aide legislatively told reporters clear the decks for tax reform. that with this out of the way the president can focus on what is his clear priority, tax reform and the reason why he's flying to north dakota. so you talk about what the president trump, are you going to say, hey, he might be watching some of the coverage and we may get him reacting today it's entirely possible but i think he's going to north dakota to talk tax reform. he wants to talk -- he wants to talk tax reform and if he brings up today's meeting i think it would be in the context of that. >> hallie, let me ask you to pick up this thread that kasie dangled in front of me about ivanka's role in breaking up or perhaps turning this meeting in

an awkward direction. tell us about it. >> and forgive me, because i missed kasie's great reporting, but i know what they have been saying, what their sources are telling them the push back or the framing from the white ho e house, nobody disputes that ivanka trump went into the oval office meeting. she did. i am being told by a source here that she was called in by the president who wanted her to talk about the child care tax credit. in addition to sort of the bipartisan push for tax reform. did for about two minutes and i'm told it was brief. the line from this particular source that it was a quick and productive conversation and then she left and i said, well, did she stay on topic and the answer was yes. that said, it seemed to -- as kasie have been reporting raised some eyebrows, she was not scheduled to be in the meeting, not one of the set participants for the discussion today. >> ashley, let me bring this back to you and ask you about just the broader sort of ivanka -- your peer in the white

house press corps -- some have called them ja-vanka, but their body of work hasn't gotten them any wins. they were on the other side of the paris accord. i get on the other side of humanity when the president responded with the all sides argument to charlottesville. they were on the other side of the daca decision. they don't have a lot of public wins and i wonder what you make of the current state of play, the current sort of level of esteem in which jared and ivanka are held by the west wing peers. >> well, to answer your first question, their portfolio and especially jared's is everything and nothing. his portfolio has became sort of a punch line on the hill because it does include peace in the middle east, includes china and it includes his innovation group.

some other things i'm sure i am forgetting. so among hill colleagues if they come up with a problem they don't know what to have for lunch they'll sort of joke, well, jared will handle it. that said, their allies and it's unclear how true or not true this is, this is something you hear from a lot of people in the west wing, look, you don't know how much worse it would be if they weren't there. they're not getting credit for all the things they have prevented from happening or privately as -- >> i have used that line before. it's sometimes overstated. impossible to prove all the bad things that you prevent from happening, but i take your point. i have heard that too. but i wonder if they're pushing back at all against this idea that they're either impotent or they come out and spin after they lose an internal debate. >> i actually think they sometimes -- i think early on in the administration they took a lot of credit for things and maybe overstepping the credit they probably deserved. they have sort of walked to that -- walked that back.

but again that has kind of become a parody or a punch line they take credit when something good happens. they're on vacation, conspicuously missing when something bad happens. their reputation in the west wing is mixed. some people do like and appreciate that, you know, you can go to ivanka, you can go to jared. especially when the west wing was a lot more dysfunctional and they were people who could get stuff to the president and of course there's people who resent them, who feel we're working on a process and one of the president's family members walks in and undoes all off our work. i think their reputation is mixed. depends on what side you're on at that moment. >> all right, thank you so much for starting us off. mark is sticking around. there's something seriously off about donald trump. that's according to one columnist at "the washington post." we'll explain. also ahead, we'll speak to a democratic member of the house intel committee about his committee's wish list for testimony about their investigation into russian

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if i were president, i would have told those states let's go to court. let's get it on. you are intent on shipping kids out of here. you know, these states that wanted to sue, i would have said to them, all right, sue me. by the way, i'm going to expose you for what you are. because you're putting kids at risk. i just think it's outrageous that these states were putting

pressure on and frankly if i were the president, we're marching into court and then i'd be meeting with congress and saying, just fix the law. it should take six hours not six months. >> that was the path not chosen by trump. let's turn to eugene robinson a columnist with "the washington post." msnbc political analyst elise jordan is here and rick stengel undersecretary of state, and a political analyst and mark is still with us from d.c. gene, jump in on the substance of what governor kasich just said. it was an option to defend daca until there was legislation protecting d.r.e.a.m.ers. >> right. so there was a logical rational thing that the president could have done. >> of either party. >> i would argue should have done, but however, this attorney general would have to go in and defend daca.

it was the chief opponent of it in the administration. >> but donald trump doesn't care about that. he attacked sessions on twitter for weeks on end. i'm guessing that sessions will do whatever donald trump tells him to do. >> yeah, this is a vestigeual remnant of the trump who ran for president, but this is important to his brand. right? anti-immigration is important to the donald trump brand that got him elected president. and i think jeff sessions is a constant reminder of that and he in the end -- even though it is clear he would like to keep daca, he had to -- he had to ax it. it had nothing to with the attorneys general. i think it was his brand. >> here is a tweet, this was the last -- last night and 8:30, he tweeted, congress has six months to legalize daca. something the obama administration was unable to do. if they don't, i will revisit

this issue. making clear -- well, first of all, abandoning any idea that he has any leverage over them he made clear if they don't legalize daca that he'll deal with it. >> yeah. well, there's always that feeling that i think we all have is does he actually understand the legislation and the legislative process? >> is it a feeling? does anyone think he does? >> i was being generous. so then of course compounded by the fact that he doesn't intel legal chuckly understand what's going on and he watches cable television and people don't like it and that daca thing -- >> like voting "the voice." you watch and you text your choice. he's watching coverage of himself. and changing his positions on social media. >> well, it also -- it really reveals just a shortage of policy making from within the white house.

i think that yesterday when sarah huckabee sanders was putting the blame on congress for new policies not having magically arisen that really cedes the role of the white house in this process. i mean, you were at the bush white house leading the charge. you know, pushing social security reform by '07 you know we tried to push comprehensive reform. that was being pushed and generated from the white house and you don't see that. trump tweets as the whim carries him but you don't see any overarching philosophies. i don't think -- >> with respect to health care, get rid of obamacare, whatever. >> let me bring you in on this, how does washington deal with a president who is basically without ideology? i guess this is why the development in the deal with the democrats today doesn't surprise me very much.

if anything i'm surprised that it took so long that he'd be as comfortable -- he's tried every other way of sticking his finger in the eye of the republicans. today seems the culmination of all the cyber bully and taunting. let's do a deal with the democrats. what does washington do? >> well, i would say this. i mean, i would put it in a different category. i think if you're to sort of distill the greatest uber anxiety among republicans in washington over the last three, four, five months it was not so much, you know, being the recipient of a mean tweet or being the recipient of a putdown or something which is what the conventional wisdom is. but their biggest fear is not only is he a closet democrat, but he'll decide this is where the votes and the deals are and he's going to abandon us legislatively and entirely as partners. again like we said earlier -- >> and just to underscore, you might be right.

if that 33% is with him if he shoots someone on park avenue, maybe the better way to get to 45 is to do some deals with democrats. >> whether he's calculating this, whether this is behind a strategy or not, who knows? but again, this is -- i mean, it would be interesting to see -- i mean, not to get too early hung up on numbers on this, but i would be curious to see what democrats, what independents especially and what some moderate republicans think of the deal he cut today. i think we're pretty much -- what was i think so striking about today is it's pretty clear that many, many hard core elements of the base would not like that deal. but at the same time, i mean, again, he has -- he has -- what he's been doing has not been working. the appeasement of the hill republicans towards him has not been working. and they're just on as edge as they were. maybe this is a bigger sort of structural shift in how the president will conduct himself. >> gene, do you agree with that? any opening or a softening among

independents or the democrats if he starts doing deals with chuck schumer? >> there is up to the point. i don't know how big that sector is. >> i mean, even after charlottesville -- >> this much of an open mind about donald trump. i think people who are anti-donald trump are like done with this president. and not convincible. because of his, you know, erratic statements and his -- just the general craziness that's happening. however, but sure there's a segment there and so maybe it does go from, you know, 35 to 45, i don't know if it's that big though. >> but he's -- you know, he's a tactician not a strategist. >> he plays whack a mole, not chess. >> it's a stream of consciousness presidency and he's a real estate developer. there's no rs and ds in real estate. he's an opportunist. whatever the best deal in front of him, he'll go for. and he knows chuck schumer a

thousand times as well as mitch mcconnell and he understands schumer much better than mitch mcconnell. >> that's true. when people tell you who they are, you should believe them. one of the things that donald trump said about the way he worked as a real estate developer he just got up in the morning an he looked and he saw what was in front of him and he decided which way to go. >> first page of "the art of the deal," i like to play it loose. >> are republicans reaping what they sow? people who sort of saw the warning signs, they have all been predicted this would happen. that he was addicted to chaos, he believed in nothing and that there was no sort of policy plan for making america great. it was really a slogan. >> well, you look at the divide between those who also chose to attach themselves to him in hopes that well he will be a republican in name president and

we can get some of our pet projects and initiatives through. so far, that just hasn't been happening and i kind of haunted by what ashley parker repeated from what she's been hearing, that the republicans have freedom to do what they think is right. there's a long amount of time that there's the freedom to do what is right. i'm glad it's not politically expedient. >> called a consciousness and a soul. mark leibovich thank you for spending some time with us. donald trump jr. is headed to capitol hill tomorrow to answer some questions about possible russian meddling in the election. we'll look at what to expect next. >> are you confident you will tell the truth tomorrow? >> there are penalties if he lies. i think what's really important about this testimony is enabling us to follow the money that is the lifeblood of an investigation like this one. ory. not this john smith.

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tomorrow donald trump jr. will meet with staff members of the senate judiciary committee as a part of their investigation into russian meddling in the presidential election. sure to come up, his meeting with the russian lawyer in which he expected to receive dirt on hillary clinton. and we know this because of e-mails that he has released. tomorrow's interview is behind closed doors and was expected to be conduct by staff members. we have heard from at least two senators who say they plan on attending and they're coming with questions. but they're not the only members of congress interested in tomorrow's closed door meeting. here's another -- congressman eric swallow, a top democrat on the house intel committee, one of several congressional committees investigating russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me back. >> so tell me first off what donald trump jr. can share with

us, what he can teach us about the role that the trump campaign played in not just welcoming but eliciting assistance from russians when they accepted and enthusiastically agreed to meet with the russians to receive dirt on hillary clinton? >> it's time to come clean. we don't know everything about the relationship between donald trump, his family and the russians as they were interfering in our elections so this meeting certainly seems to be a continuation of a long standing relationship. so it doesn't look like it was the prologue, it doesn't look like it was the epilogue, so feeling in what happened in between. also i think we can learn a lot more about the trump tower arrangement that the president sought to have back in 2016 as well. so there's a lot to fill in and so it's just time to be forthcoming with the american

people. >> congressman, are you -- have you subpoenaed donald trump jr. to the house intel committee as well and has that interview been scheduled? >> no, nicolle. unfortunately our subpoenas have gone out to irrelevant witnesses. >> why? >> the irrelevant ones -- that's a decision by the majority. i think it's misguided, but you know we're still seeking people like don jr. and paul manafort and others. you hope that they come in voluntarily but the republicans subpoenaed believe it or not the department of justice and fbi rather than asking them to come in voluntarily. >> i want to ask you about something you said during the recess at a town hall in liver more near my hometown. you said, quote, what we know that the russians did do, they went into a number of state election voting databases. we don't know why. if we know that, how bizarre is

it or what is the disconnect at this point between the president's refusal to just -- you know, as recently as his trip to poland he was still talking about how it could have been others. if we know that russians did get into the state election databases you say they don't know if they affected the results but they were in the databases, what is the current state of denial from the trump white house about russia's role? >> the denial is making us more vulnerable as we go into the 2018 elections. disunity in the united states has emboldened the russians and other countries who have similar capabilities. so the commander in chief doesn't -- then you'll continue to see chaos and, you know, unprepared response when it happens. i think unity is what we need right now in this country. if republicans and democrats

sought to secure the ballot box, putting aside vote tallies were changed or not, but let's not let this happen again. that goes a long way to showing russia we're closing the vulnerabilities. >> you said you were not experiencing that unity with your republican colleagues on the house intel committee, is that right? >> no, we are seeing a focus and obsession on masking, and wanting to go into the dossier -- >> can you ask you from whom? is that from congressman nunez or who is engaged in the politics? >> sure, the chairman nunez who told us he had recused himself sent a subpoena without the is support of the republicans to the fbi. and the dossier is not the heart of the investigation. hearing from the precipant witnesses is what we want to get to the bottom of. it seems to us more distractions rather than, you know, a real truth seeking operation that we

have going on now. >> why is chairman nunez involved? i understood him to have recused himself after getting tangled up in the shenanigans with the trump white house. >> he shouldn't be involved. the subpoenas should be signed by mike conaway. and i all credit to mike conaway. he has worked well with mr. schiff, we have made a lot of progress. but these types of subpoenas as i said they're a distraction and they keep us from being independent and credible and at the end of the thai if we're going to make a report to the american people, we need independence and credibility. >> let me be perfectly clear here. would you describe the state of the house intelligence committee's investigation into russian meddling as what, as flat lined, stalled, not achieving its potential? i don't want to put words in your mouth but describe to me the state of the house intelligence committee's investigation. >> well, i'm -- you know, i'm a perennial optimist so i have hope.

right now it has an asterisk because of the involvement of the chairman, an unwillingness to make sure that relevant witnesses produce documents that come before us. i don't think susan rice and what she did to seek u.s. person identifiers is something that we should be, you know, spending hours on in our investigation. but, you know, so it is and, you know -- >> she was on capitol hill for four hours today. so obviously she's still fielding questions and cooperating with whatever inquiries there are. >> and there's been, you know, aside from our investigation there's been no evidence that she or anybody in the obama administration did anything wrong. again, i think this is just an effort to try and really obstruct what we're supposed to be doing and again, nicolle, nothing helps the russians sharpen their knives more than disunity in the united states. and that's what i fear the most. >> as these heat things up as anything happens that you can share with us, i know some of it very sensitive, but please come back and keep us posted on all

of your committee's work. i hope things get back on track. thank you very much. rick stengel, i had not heard that things were so off track again in the house intel committee and that's news to me that chairman nunez is signing subpoenas and doing work that i thought was questionable enough to his republican colleagues that he had recused himself. >> yeah. he had recused himself and i find it astonishing he is still involved. obviously the congressman does as well and it puts their investigation under a cloud of suspicion. >> it taints it. >> the senate judiciary committee is plugging along. i do think with donald trump jr. it's a bit of a kind of celebrity contest there. i mean, he is not -- let's be generous not the sharpest tool in the box in the family there. and in some ways he was a mark for the russians with the very low level kind of marginal

people that the russians reached out to. so i'll be curious to see what he comes up with. but i would say it's very likely there won't be much there there when he testifies. >> but how much more does there need to be? the russians offered dirt on hillary clinton they said yes. is that not clear coordination, collaboration? i mean, if you were an advertising committee and you wanted to run ads that would be a violation of campaign finance laws. if you said, let's sit down, i'll give you dirt on your opponent. so is it not -- again, coordinating with the russians isn't illegal, but isn't that clear evidence that -- i mean, i feel like we're relitigating things down in the bottom of alice in wonderland's hole. >> when has -- when has it ever held up in the court of law? you didn't know the rules. you didn't know that was illegal so you're off the hook. it really consistently baffles

me how the fact they weren't that knowledgeable about how political campaigns should operate and that they have no sense of ethics. that they should be given a free pass for breaking norms that have been pretty important in protecting our national security. >> paul manafort was knowledgeable about it. he cannot feign any ignorance about it. >> that's why he's a far more interesting character to watch. >> manafort was there. he's smart enough to solve the middle east and everything else. >> all the committees have subpoenaed him. we're hitting pause on this part of the conversation but we were talking about ivanka trump at the top of the show and guess who just showed up on stage with her dad during a policy speech.

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come up, honey. should i bring ivanka up? come up. [ applause ] sometimes they'll say you know he can't be that bad a guy. look at ivanka. no, come on up, honey. she's so good. she wanted to make the trip. she said, dad, can i go? she said, daddy, can i go with you? i like that. daddy, can i go with you, i said, yes, you can. where are you going? north dakota. i said i like north dakota. hi, honey. >> hello. >> say something, baby. >> hi, north dakota. we love this state, so it's always a pleasure to be back here. you treated us very, very well in november and you have continued to. so we like sharing the love back. >> eugene, speak. >> well --

where do you want me to start? >> see, you need some help. i'm going to throw you a life line. >> don't call me daddy, okay? >> i promise. i promise i never will. >> thank you. >> anyone can call me mommy. let's put this up on the screen. "the new york times" writing when donald trump was elected president last november his elder daughter was portrayed as the consolation prize like a christmas present plunked on the door mat in february. she is pretending to care about women's upward mobility just enough to soothe the complacent and provide plausible deniability for her father but the only evidence we have of her supposed moderating effects is her word and unfortunate i will for the entire planet the word of a trump isn't worth much. >> well, you look at what the results. where are they? and there are no results. i mean, none of this sort of counterbalancing of the

nativist -- >> you're laughing, you telling me not to call you daddy. but seriously -- >> you haven't seen any accomplishments. and -- >> and she wants to deny the taint of all the bad things he does after charlottesville. >> she's on vacation, she's away. and jared is too. and of course it's impossible to sort of refute or prove that things would have been worse had they not been there. one can ask how much worse really? >> right. >> like really? there's another level of this? >> two sides -- >> there's another level. >> elise, you have been a critic of ivanka. tell me about this display on stage. obviously any -- i mean, just separating out everything if we can for a minute. any parent's proud to put their kids i guess on stage. but against the back drop of today's "new york times" nothing

that the trump family does is a coincidence, it's a contrivance. >> she's felt a heat of a lot of media flak lately starting with most recently the "vanity fair" story that painted her and her husband jared kushner in a really unflattering light and that was something that president trump tweeted about the next day. saying the magazines are so vicious and all he wants to do is maga which might be my favorite tweet of his all alone. all he wants to do is maga. it's a constant show of nepotism, and we're supposed to treat her as being powerful, but yet she doesn't want to be political, but yet she occupies west wing real estate. >> look, she keeps losing. if she was unhappy with her father's response to charlottesville or on the other side of daca, there are no public instances where she's prevailed. >> well, she's losing because she has no power. nicolle, in washington it's not just who you report to. but who reports to you.

nobody reports to javanka. they have the nice offices -- >> well, he has some press staff. >> except the press staff. >> which is such a problem in and of itself. can you imagine being comms dreng tore and having multiple communications staffers that weren't in your purview. >> they took credit for things that they had nothing to do with because they have a press staff that's promoting them. >> right. >> but the fact is they have no line authority over anybody and you're never going to get anything done unless you control that and they don't. >> al roker is joining us with the latest on hurricane irma.

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we're back and ever since we started this show it's been my fantasy to have al roker back, but i wouldn't wish a hurricane on anybody as the cause, but we're really happy to have you here. i wonder if you can tell us about the storm. the biggest, the fastest, the strongest and there are already millions of people that have been threatened. >> an teeing with a. >> puerto rico. >> it's luck lil going to be south of this. so puerto rico ends up okay, as does cuba. they're going to get hit -- >> because it's moved a little bit. >> a little further north. so they're get tropical force to hurricane force winds, but not the 150 to 175-mile-per-hour

winds that we're talking for the turks and caicos and the bahamas. and it's very little infrastructure can withstand that kind of pounding. and where you have the most deaths usually is storm surge and the storm surge for the turks and caicos and the bahamas, we're talking about anywhere from 15 to 20 feet and that's on top of if it's high tooids. upwards much 16 inches of rain. they could be devastated. >> i have a family member that came to ride it out with our family. he lives in miami. but can you talk about where the path of the storm is and the -- >> i'm going to get behind and show you. >> okay. >> what we're looking at as far as where folks have to be concerned. so right now, again, as we mentioned, this is the latest on irma. category 5 storm. still a 5. 40 miles northwest of saint thomas. 185-mile-per-hour winds. it's been moving stead lil west northwest at 16-mile-per-hour. and here with go. as we talked about these

effects, still a category five storm, but for puerto rico, really to the north so not a problem. here is where we're really worried. turks and kay co's tomorrow morning. bahamas by friday night. a storm surge of 15 to 20. now we look for -- this is the latest, a category 4 storm landfall sometime sunday morning right around miami. and we're talking about -- now, the interesting thing, we've never seen two category 4 lafls in the u.s. ever, let alone back to back. so this comes in. and what we watch are these models we call the spaghetti strands. first we've got the watches and warnings, hurricane warnings all the way to the turks and caicos, watches for the bahamas and cuba. we put these in motion and this basically gives you what we call an ensemble. we call them the spaghetti strands and usually they can be all over the map. but literally these are now concentrating. and as we move into sunday morning, they've really moved in

and really concentrated on the eastern half of florida and on into the southeast. earlier in the week these were out into the gulf and we were worried that possibly texas was in play. but here is what's interesting about this. we look at category 1 storm, you start off with winds between # 4 and 95-mile-per-hour. and you get to this dat gory 5, and you might think, well, gee, al, a 95 -- from 95 to 157, that's less than double, so does that mean a category 1 is worse, only half as bad as a 5? well, it's expo neshl because that energy starts to feed on itself. so you've got a category 1 but by the time you get to a 2 it's ten times worse than that 1. a category 3 you would think maybe a 20. no. 50 times. we get to what we have right now with irma, it is 500 times more powerful than a category 1 storm. so the potential for

catastrophic devastation is really, really a high, high possibility. and we're looking at a 4 going into miami, and it probably -- if it's a little to the west of miami, that's the most dangerous -- >> worse, right, because the incoming side of the storm. >> and by the way, this storm, the tropical force winds go out about 340 miles in diameter from are the center. the diameter of florida, the peninsula, is about 140 miles. >> it's bigger than that, right. >> so you could have a storm surge on both sides. >> do you worry about people not he'ding -- i think during -- when harvey was hitting the homeland security adviser took to the white house briefing room, the white house podium and said trust in government institutions is not at its highest, but trust us, when we ask you to evacuate it's for your own safety. >> right. >> what is your thought about the evacuation orders and the importance that they're heeded in a storm like this.

>> you look at what happened in houston, if people had not evacuated and not heeded those warnings, while it's terrible we have 45 or 48 people who have lost their lives, it could have been much, much higher. you look at what happened in ka treea where evacuations were not ordered in time and we had deaths almost in the 2,000 range. if people don't heed those warnings when they are given, they will be trapped. and in a place like florida and miami or the keys or wherever, southern florida, there are only a number of roads you can take. so i think that, you know, hunk erg in place is not an option. >> there's been an evacuation of the keys. we know people in key west who have all left. >> yes. >> getting out all week. you know, speaking with a friend of mine who is editor of miami herld, people in miami are taking this very, very serious. >> they're comparing it to hurricane andrew. >> ironically that was 25 years ago last month. >> lfrmt thank you so much for spending some time with us.

we'll have to find a none traj terrifying weather event. did i just spill a secret? that does it for the hour to all of my friends here. that does it for our hour of nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now. hi, chuck. >> hi, nicolle. >> i hope your family is in my thoughts and prayers. >> everybody is taking it seriously. everybody is right. everybody is taking it seriously. our people are bolting. any way, thank you, nicolle. if it's wednesday, everyone is in disaster prevention mode. tonight, tracking hurricane irma. >> this storm is massive and the storm surge as predikd will go on for miles. this storm is bigger, faster and stronger than hurricane andrew. >> we will get an update from the head of fema as this monster hurricane barrels thwarted the florida coast. plus the growing threat from nrk. i'll talk to former pentagon