>> they sat here for hours and shared their photos and got to know each other. and made plans. >> wonderful. >> like families do. >> that is all for this edition of "dateline extra." i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. good morning. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it is 7:00 in the east, 4:00 out west. here's what is happening, mixed signals. new comments from president trump saying organizers are still planning for the summit with north korea. so is the meeting on or off? good advice? a former independent counsel says the president's lawyers could be right when it comes to an interview with robert mueller. >> you hear the criminal defense say, and i understand the perspective fully, he shouldn't go to sit down with bob mueller. but he is the president of the united states. >> but could the recent allegation of placing fbi

informant within the trump campaign lead to questions of obstruction? ivanka hitting the trail for a loyal republican. why this could be seen as a warning sign, coming up. we begin with a live picture of the white house after an oval office welcome for another american citizen who had been imprisoned abroad. president trump celebrating the release of 26-year-old joshua holt and his wife from eveveneza from prison. a signal that more americans will soon be coming home. >> we have had 17 released. and we are very proud of that record, very proud, and we have others coming. we are in the big of some big negotiations to get others out. in most cases, they are americans, but we can try and help other countries, too, where there's unjustice. >> the president is making new comments on the june 12 summit with kim jong-un. >> that i thinks are very well in terms of the summit with north korea.

looks like it's going along very well. a lot of people are working on it. it's moving along nicely, so we are looking at june 12th in singapo singapore, that hasn't changement and it's moving along pretty well. so we'll see what happens. >> president trump's comments followed an unannounced meeting between kim jong-un and the south korean president on the north korean side of the demilitarized zone. bill knee lneely is joining us south korea. what did the two leaders talk about? >> reporter: good morning, dara. president moon offered more proof that donald trump does indeed want a summit. and more momentum building to the summit. he said it was kim who asked to meet him. he said kim reiterated he was

absolutely committed to meeting donald trump. to having denuclearization. but the interesting part is what kim was concerned about. not about the issue of denuclearization, but he was worried that the united states couldn't be trusted. that he couldn't trust the united states to guarantee his security. otherwise, if you like the fought of gadhafi hovering over the summit at the back of kim's mind, gadhafi gave up the nuclear program seven years lawsuiter. that is worrying kim jong-un. the north korean president and talks with donald trump are

critical. and donald trump who canceled the summit on thursday now appears to be talking like that never happened. he said that it has not changed and things are moving along well. so it does appear that the summit is back from the dead, but momentum to having this on the 12th. but the one thing that still is hanging in the air is that this really hasn't been defined. president moon wouldn't spell out today what that means to kim jong-un. we know there's a gap between what it means to kim and what it means to the united states. so the summit may be back on track, on again, off again, now it appears on again, but some of the key issues, dara, have not been resolved. bill neely live in seoul. thank you so much for the reporter. let's bring in jonathan allen

for nbc digital and ozzie is here as well. ozzie, two days after the letter about renewed senate, the decision is back. do you think there's a lot of room for praise here and. >> i don't know if there's a lot of possibility for methodology in there. donald trump has already committed to sort of taking this posture of the meeting. i think the president is trying to figure out how to be accepted on world stage. >> and june 12th is coming up quickly. jonathan, now to the series of tweets from the president because he demanded the

investigation into what he's calling spygate. so he got what out of these, does that buy him anything? >> no. he's attacking the people investigating him and basically saying anybody that worked under barack obama and the federal government over the course of the eight years is a democrat. and an an to-trump person, even though many have been involved in the investigations are life-long republicans. i think donald trump often tweets what he's feeling. sometimes the best thing is to real the analysis of what he wrote. >> he tweeted about "the new york times" saying, quote, a nonexistent senior white house official, when, in fact, the paper had an audio exposure.

dud he intentionally try to misinform? >> i would be shocked if the president was trying to is inform the public. he's a person who really doesn't seem to know his administration. >> with all the tweets, they just seem to overshadow the release of the american prisoners in venezuela. help can't stand to let the moment stand on its own. so he has to promise more to come. how did this release come about? >> you know, i think the -- the americans detained overseas are being brought back home. that's something he clearly thinks about. that's not only the right thing to do, but a good photo-op

policy. it's interesting that he decided to sort of jump on his own way. i can't tangle with that. but taking folks detand over yeahs for what we believe to be improper reasons and bringing them home. >> ozzie, should we expect more or is this part of the president's inclination to overhype and sell the moments? >> the inclination is to oversell. but this is the core piece of trump's appeal to his supporters. in this case, it's a gentleman from the midwest. this is part of the trump awe peel to the public. he's helping people and getting things accomplished. don't worry about check in inis.

>> and this time on the policy separating children from parents once they cross the border, that his administration had pushed and strengthened. now the base wants him to be tough on immigration, so why credit, if you will, democrats for this policy? >> i think what is clear is that the president is sensitive to the idea that even many or no children should be separated from their parents. the department of homeland security is dealing with adults and hhs is dealing with minors. this goes along with the views of the express views on daca. even though he ended the

politi politics. children that calm here illegal ly -- the vast major to of americans agree that people who came here illegally as children should be published. and the current children shouldn't be separated from their parents. >> ozzie, what is your take on the issue? >> the president understands family. however, it's defined, a parent's relationship to their own child is something no politician wants to get in the middle of unless absolutely necessary. so anything that avoids him looking like he's responsible for any of that kind of separation is something he wants to do. >> azi, jonathan, thank you. stick around, because we have more to talk about today. should he or shouldn't he?

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not the other way around. new comments from president trump tweeting, when will the 13 angry democrats and those who worked for president o. reveal their disqualifying conflicts of interest in it's been a long time now! will they be indelibly written into the report along with the fact that the only collusion is with the dems, justice, fbi and russia? joining me is prosecutor doug burns. does the president have a point here? is there a conflict of interest? >> well, there's a little bit from both sides, honestly. it's a political narrative he's driving and they are saying the

staff of muellemueller's team - mueller is a well-respected doj. so it is more political theater in my opinion than a legitimate criminal law enforcement point. >> what is his strategy in tweeting the only collusion is with the dems, justice, fbi and russia? >> that's a great question. because i'm not a part of the narrative, dara, but they latch on to and work on stuff about the dossier and whether or not the democrats were behind it. and then the narrative continues on. that's what was presented to the fisa court. and the court wasn't advised on the political aspects of though. and on and on and on it goes. so basically, i'm not a public

relations person. i'm not a political expert, i'm a lawyer. but the fact that this is a decided campaign to simply undermine what is going on. he's decided that's the the narrative he wants to pursue, you know? >> he's tweeted with spies or informants as the democrats like to call them because it sounds less sinister, but it's not. all over my pam cane, even from the very early date, why didn't the crooked highest levels of the fbi or justice contact me to tell me of the phony russian problem? should he received a phone call on the phony russia problem? >> he should have. a supply, a mole, strictly for political purposes against a political rivalry figure. and then, no, no, no. it is kind of funny. it's a moot court in law school,

seriously. one side gets up to make an argument and the other side gets up to make their argument. if an informant as many experts said was speaking to people in the trump campaign, that should be examined and looked at to figure out what aboutly what the committees are doing and what is going on. >> a lot of back and forth. i want to play for you what was said about robert mueller. >> you hear the criminal defense lawyers say, and i understand the perspective fully. he shouldn't go to sit down with bob mueller. but he is the president of the united states. and so, needless to say, he has an obligation.

>> ken starr is right. pundits are too quick to go on television to say, he should absolutely not sit down. there's no such thing as a blanket rule. i don't care if it is medicine, operation, law, an interview, you have to look at the nuances of the political situation. so what ken starr was saying is, oh, he probably shouldn't go in to be interviewed, but people are too quick to say, oh, it's a perjury trap. that's why i want to look into it. this is what ken starr is looking at and would know if he was independent council. maybe to the end of the aspect of the investigation, they can interview him like they interview ed the others. that's something that the lawyers have to look at the nuances. and ken starr is right, he's

president and it's different from the typical case. >> doug, what would you do? have the president come in, even as a former prosecutor, would this be setting up for a perjury trial? >> it could, but i don't think that is the intention that ken starr is trying to follow. if i could get a reasonable scope of duration, you know, when something goes off topic, we take a time-out and step out in the hall and say, we don't want to discuss that. here with it being the president yifts, i united states, i'm sure they can agree to what the scope of it and what the timing will be. if that's the case, again, it's not a game show answer, not black and white. it's not like i'm saying definitely go in and other people say definitely no. it depends on the facts of the case. >> doug burns so wants to talk

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california for house intel chairman devin nunes. nunes could be in for a tough battle against his democratic opponent. we'll bring back jonathan allen and azi. does this suggest to you the kind of trouble that president trump is seeing in his district? >> any time you have an incumbent, it signals something is askew. what is interesting about nunes' district is that donald trump did worse there than mitt romney. so even though the district is historically republican, it may not be exactly trump kind of republicans. nunes is facing a tough re-election. his democratic challenger is underfunded, but some people put this race at a 50/50 split. >> meanwhile, our colleagues have a look at the ground swell

with president barack obama when he was running. tell us how this swell will play out in the midterms. >> well, certainly there are different dynamics in each of the districts, dara. what you're seeing here is a lot of people were engaged in public service before who feel like the trump presidency has encouraged them to go from being members of the administration to be candidates for offices themselves. i'm in philadelphia and there are a couple districts in new jersey nearby where you've got a pretty high profile obama administration officials in one of the country. some of these people will win, a lot of the 64 will lose, but there's a lot of engagement from people who may not have run for office before. >> azi, going back to the generic ballot, is it too early to tell if there's going to be a

blue wave? >> in a day and age where a tweet from donald trump can sort of change what is on the front page of the papers or when a phone call from a journalist about an allegation could change someone's entire career, anything can happen. it's never been more true than now. jonathan makes a great point that have government experience. we have looking in the lower ebb of turnout, but we have a president that is relentless in people focusing on him. that may turn out voters to come out on election day. >> jonathan, real quick, how about the role the women play in the midterms? how much of the democrats are focusing on their efforts to get them elected? and what will the message be? >> what we're seeing is a tremendous spike in the number of women running and in the number of women winning democratic parties. is that the case?

i suspect we'll see a bump of women. >> thank you for being here on this sunday. that will do it for me. i'm dara brown. coming up at the top of the hour, "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton.

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