good evening. i'm kasie hunt. welcome to a special edition of "kasie d.c." tonight we are mourning senator john mccain who died saturday at the age of 81. the senator who was feisty till the end faced death the same way that he approached life. with humor and with courage. in his book, which came out this year, he wrote, quote, the world is a fine place and worth fighting for and i hate very much to leave it, spoke my hero robert jordan in for whom the bell tolls. and i do, too. i hate to leave it. but i don't have a complaint, not one. it's been quite a ride. i made a small place for myself in the story of america and the history of my times.

the bell tolls for me. i knew it would. so i tried, as best i could, to stay a part of the main. and i wish all of you great adventures, good company, and lives as lucky as mine. there is now a move underway led by senator chuck schumer, a democrat, to rename the longest-standing senate building on capitol hill after mccain. the question i'm asking, i think that we're all asking, is one of history. legacy and the politics he leaves behind. his death seems to mark the end of more than just his own life. we have a remarkable panel to reflect on his life and legacy tonight. former spokesman for house speaker boehner and former senior advisor to jeb bush, michael steele. washington correspondent for bbc world news america, katty kay. presidential is historian and msnbc contributor john meacham. in phoenix white house correspondent and long-time capitol hill correspondent kelly o'donnell.

and joining us by phone former senior advisor and the host of "deadline white house" on msnbc, nicolle wallace. nicolle, i want to start with you since you spent so much time behind the scenes with somebody who most americans know through their television sets, through the campaigns that he waged through seeing the moments of the past few years. what was john mccain, the man, like behind those closed doors when the cameras were off? who was the man that you knew? >> you know, i think so much of john mccain's person a was consistent with what i saw behind the scenes. what you see is what you get. but what i think the high profile moments in politics we got was all the time he had with his closest friends, joe lieberman, lindsey graham who were by his side in the 2018 campaign. the reporters who were beloved to him in the 2000 campaign,

straight talk express. you know, there was a lot of talk about what hemming way meant to him. he was a man who spent his time reading. he read the paper. he read novels. he read the snow of kilimanjaro in the days before the election he was sure to lose in 2008. he was philosophical. he was deep. but he was also salty and fun and mischievous. he loved baseball, barbecuing for his friends in sedona. in the down time period he would prepare for the convention or prepare for his debate, times when he took advantage of those respites and went to sedona to sort of recover and sort of get strength from the place he loved most. he wanted everyone there with him. his friends, his top campaign advisors were made to feel at home. they were treated like family. if you headed for the exit and

he was watching a baseball game, he would look up and say, no, no, no, don't go yet. stick around. he was just so lovely. he was a giant in politics, but he was as friendly and jovial and, and fun person to be with. it was an honor of my lifetime to work for him. >> as you took the 2008 campaign, there was one moment in particular that stuck out to us here and it turned out to foreshadow things to come for mccain's party. here is how kelly o'donnell reported on the mccain campaign on "nightly news." >> reporter: but in the last couple of days, playing referee with ms. own supporters. >> we'll respect him. and i want -- no, no, i want everyone to be respectful and let's make sure we are. >> reporter: mccain's reaction comes as some voters at a few events unleashed frustration. >> i'm mad! i'm really mad!

>> reporter: and voiced suspicions and fears. >> we're scared. we're scared of an obama presidency. >> reporter: mccain was stuck and ended up defending the rival he wants to defeat. >> i have to tell you, he is a decent person and a person that you do not have to be scared as president of the united states. >> i can't trust obama. i have read about him and he's not, he's not, he's an arab. he is not? >> no ma'am, no ma'am. >> no? >> no ma'am, no ma'am, he's a decent family man, citizen that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues. >> and, kelly o'donnell, you have covered john mccain for many, many years, many incarnations and throughout his presidential campaigns. i'm just interested to hear what you think, having also covered the last go around in 2016.

how was what he did on the campaign trail, the candidate he was, the way it was to cover him, how is it different from now holy spirit now? do you think it will ever be like that again? >> it was different in so many ways, kasie. some of us would be more than willing to yearn for what has gone by. in that moment on that day, when he said, no ma'am, i could feel it in my bones that that was a critical moment. how difficult to be running against a political rival and to have to defend him in the moment. and to do it in a way that was polite and respectful both of the woman he was addressing and appropriately respectful of his political opponent that holds up ten years later. to be brave in that moment when there was so much on the line and to do it without flinching says a lot about john mccain. he was fun in the sense that he was liberated from some of the pressures. now, this is pre-social media, pre-twitter. youtube was sort of a new thing then just ten years ago. and we would sit at the back of

the straight talk express knee to knee, pressed in as he held a coffee cup and he would take questions after questions on a range of topics. what else you got? what else you got, he would say. so there was a chance to learn about his thinking, understand what moved him, what maybe him angry, what he enjoyed in uh a we so rarely get now. now, that's not to say he was always an open book, but he was more willing than many politicians to admit mistakes, to acknowledge his regret over mistakes, and to be willing to take chances for something bigger and chances in the moment to address the woman as we saw in that clip that really holds up over time. that's some political courage. and it's surprising more people have not tried to emulate that style. perhaps it's because of all of his life experience that gave him a sense of resilience, a willingness to look that fire and walk through it. those are the things that i remember. the campaign was fun.

it was unexpected. and there were moments when you knew you were witnessing exchanges that would say a lot about america, both in the track of where things have gone since and what a politician might be capable of in the moment to try to say our politics are civil, our issues are where we are divided. kasie? >> yeah. john meacham, to pick up on kelly o'donnell's very important point, how would you put that into kind of the sweep of history? do we have great men or women in line to do the kinds of things that senator mccain was able to do? or is that something that our public life is going to lose? >> well, we live in hope. it's not a long line, but i think there are decent people in the arena. i hope that one thing that comes out of this remarkable and utterly deserved flow of

affection and reexpect fspect f senator mccain those getting into the media will realize it's the people who do stand up. it's the people who do admit they're imperfect. it's the people who fight for a certain set of principles who receive the affections and respect of the country. if he had been someone who trimmed his sails and who focus grouped everything he said, i don't think we'd be talking this way. and so he was who he was, to make a very profound statement. he also understood -- i don't want to overwhelm you. but he understood that presidential politics, senatorial politics were fascinating, but this is a guy who got shot down out of the sky over an enemy country. >> so true. >> and spent 5 1/2 years in a prison cell. >> and he was so quick to remind you of that, too. you run into him and say, hey is

this a tough day? this is nothing. >> yeah. you haven't had your fingernails pulled out. and so i think character is destiny. he and mark salter wrote a book with that great insight from the greeks, and his character fundamentally shaped who he was. and what i think -- the role i think he played, and you would know more about this than i would, i think he also tried very hard to be a mentor to people in the arena, saying, look, don't just always listen to your handlers, don't look at the polls all the time. do what you think is right. enjoy the fight because if you don't, what's the point? >> we're going to have senator amy klobuchar on the show. he did cross party lines. it was remarkable. i'm glad you mentioned what it was like to deal with him on a day-to-day basis. if you covered senator mccain, he cherished the role of the press in a democracy, even if he

sometimes wanted us to leave him alone when he was walking the halls of congress. >> senator mccain? >> yes. >> two seconds quickly. i'd like to ask -- >> two seconds are up. >> what's the forum for asking the questions, though? >> well, one, huh-uh should take an ink pen and put it to paper and write out the questions and you send it to me. that's one of the ways to do it. or you use this new device here, i haven't figured out, and call them up. >> appreciate it. >> we'll find out over time. it all leaks out. thanks to you jerks they all leak out. >> the president's tweets, are they -- >> i love them. >> do you think this is a problem for the president? >> i would think that that is -- ranks among the dumb questions. this is the worst correspondent in the history of the -- please

run that, please run that. the worst. >> really appreciate it. >> i miss him so much. i can't imagine his family and the people closest to him. what a terrible loss. you've been on the hill every day. >> so many of those moments are in the basement of what we hope will soon be the mccain senate office building which will be a remarkable testament and tribute to what he gave to that institution. >> it would. and that, katty kay, is where he had his office for many, many years. he would come up and down that elevator there. conveniently goes to one of the cameras, which he was a frequent visitor to as well. >> the foreign press, i remember doing an interview with him in south carolina back in 2008. he literally photo bombed my camera. as i was trying desperately to remember what i was trying to say, john mccain was jumping in front of the camera making fun of himself and me. he would say anything and

everything that was on his mind. >> had, michael steele, a way of being in the center of all of the biggest debates of our time. >> he loved quoting teddy roosevelt talking about the man in the arena face marred in dust and grime. he wanted to be in immigration, health care, confounding campaign finance reform where i would argue he won the battle and lost the war and left us with a worse campaign finance system than we had, and probably helped to eviscerate the power of the major political parties which led in some ways to the rise of donald trump. he wasn't right every time and we should remember that. >> of course. >> at the same time, he always wanted to be at the center of the action and in that fight. >> and he was. nicolle wallace, john mccain was sort of the opposite of the kind of candidate that -- in your former life campaign consultant, very often the advice is to be very careful. poll test your lines. don't say the wrong thing, don't go off script. that was not john mccain. >> that wasn't john mccain, but

i think he changed campaigning. i don't think there was much of an effort to get campaign strategy to change john mccain. i think john mccain changed campaign strategy. people responded favorably to the straight talk express, the authenticity. i think sarah palin i'm sure in the coming days -- the idea, the original impulse and it's sort of all out there how it turned out. but the original idea was to reinforce his instincts as a maverick, as someone who marched to the beat of his own drum. so the idea he wouldn't conform to campaign norms, that was his strength. that was his talent. that was his lightning in a bottle. >> yeah. kelly o'donnell, who do you think steps up into the void with senator mccain gone? i mean, there are so many of the lions of the senate frankly that you and i have watched come and sadly go. ted kennedy, john warner,

others. what's next? >> the generational stars of the senate seem to be in a moment gone now, and that opens the door for new ones to rise. it may be some of those who have been mentored by john mccain. i'm thinking of amy klobuchar and chris murphy, both democrats in that instance, cory gardener of colorado, republican. one of the things john mccain gave him some permission, if you will, or a sense of latitude to take some of the political risks is the deep well of respect people had for his military service. so when he would take chances politically, in part, it's because voters and the public respected the degree of sacrifice that he endured and we have a new generation of veterans who are coming into public life who also will have some of that reservoir of good will from the public. and that may make them feel that they have a freer chance to say what they think and to believe what they say.

that's sort of my hope. and those with a sense of humor. one of the things that struck me was he was perhaps the most social senator and political official we've dealt with. and to think that he spent years in solitary confinement as well as being a part of a group in the prison camp in vietnam, he made up for lost time over and over again by enjoying the company of his colleagues, his friends, most certainly his family. but even the likes of us. he would -- it's about 105 degrees out here and he would so, he would so enjoy the fact that i am sweating from every possible part of my body remembering him here in phoenix. he would, he would enjoy this, kasie. you know what i mean by that. he'd be smiling and saying, have you had enough yet? >> have you had enough yet, you jerks? kelly o'donnell, thank you for that perspective and your memories. and nicolle wallace, thanks to you as well for sharing your insights tonight. still to come here on "kasie d.c.," much more on the

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now to the breaking news out of florida that we have also been following for much of

today. a mass shooting at a madden video game tournament in jacksonville has left, according to reports from nbc affiliate wtlv, at least four people dead and 11 more injured. that number has been in flux. nbc's mya rodriguez joins me live. mya, what's the latest there? i understand we're waiting to hear from law enforcement officials. >> reporter: yes, we're waiting to hear from jacksonville sheriff about this mass shooting. this was a deadly shooting today in jacksonville. they have been reluctant to release any numbers as far as those who were killed our injured. we're waiting for an update. there was a video conference going on, a tournament going on at an entertainment facility on the river front in jacksonville. that's when the shooting started. in fact, that tournament was being live streamed and you could hear some of the shots ringing out as the players were at their consoles.

once the shooting started, the signal went down, but the aid yo remained up. you could hear at least 14 to 15 shots through that audio channel. you could also hear the sounds of people running for their lives. at this point the sheriff says the suspect is dead. he is the lone suspect in this case. they have not released his identity at this point. they say they have no idea what a motive might have been in this particular case. again, we are waiting to hear from the sheriff in jacksonville momentarily to update us on any information they might have on those who were killed or injured as well as this lone suspect. kasie? >> and, mya, this is unfortunately something that has been happening over and over again in the state of florida. there have been mass shootings. parkland most recently, but also the orlando pulse night club shooting. how is the governor reacting? and i think we're hearing from parkland students as well? >> we have heard from parkland students. you know that incident happened in february of this year, and

those students, of course, outraged, demanding that something be done to prevent more mass shootings. the governor says he's working with state officials and federal officials to try to get as many resources from law enforcement into place to deal with this particular mass shooting. but we should point out this is the second high-profile shooting in as many days in jacksonville. just a few days ago there was a shooting at a high school football game in jacksonville. one person was killed and two others were injured. so this is now the second time that jacksonville is in the spotlight for a shooting of this nature. kasie? >> and, mya, do we know at this point what the political officials in florida have been doing? the governor, governor scott, is he on his way to the scene? >> my understanding is he's been in touch with law enforcement officials there. one of the things that did happen in light of parkland was that the state legislature passed and the governor signed a law that raised the minimum age for buying a rifle from 18 to

21. and there was some tightening of some loopholes there in the law as well. so that was something that did come out of the parkland mass shooting. whether or not that would have made a difference in this particular case, we just simply don't know at this point because, again, details are so few and far between in this particular mass shooting. >> all right, maya rodriguez, we're going to come back to you as soon as that happens. thank you. but we here at "kasie d.c." want to turn back to senator john mccain and talk a little bit about his adversarial, i think would be a kind way to put it, relationship with president trump. that, of course, can be traced back to the 2016 campaign. he famously returned to the senate floor shortly after receiving his cancer diagnosis to vote against a bill that would have repealed the affordable care act. in may of this year, kelly sadler mocked mccain's illness

after he declined to support cia director gina haspel at her confirmation process. she said, it didn't matter because he, quote, is dying anyway. sources close to mccain revealed he didn't want the president to attend his funeral. and earlier this month, president trump 150i7bdsigned ae spending bill but failed to mention the senator's name even once during those remarks. and in his recently published book, it's hard to know what to expect from president trump. what's a pose, what's genuine. as in other areas, the character of the president will likely be reflected in the conduct and the policy. that will depend on the restraining effect of his more experienced advisors' counsel and i genuinely hope his growing recognition that leader of the free world is more than an honorific. it is more than the person who

possesses it. katty kay, i'm not sure we have seen the president live up to the hope that john mccain had for him. >> no. you know, the heart of this adversarial relationship comes a very different world view. john mccain dedicated his life to public service, military service. he could speak about torture because he's the victim of torture. >> hold on one second. it looks like the press conference in jacksonville is getting underway. we'll listen to that for a moment. >> fbi agent in charge of the jacksonville field division charles spencer, jfrd wilson. first let me say this. our thoughts and prayers go out to the victims and their families who were all affected by this act of violence here today. i ask that you please pray for these families as they deal with this tragedy. in the coming days and weeks. i'd like to thank the media for joining us as we come together to provide the community with an update on information dismissing rumors regarding the events that took place earlier here today.

so here's what we know. this afternoon there was a madden 19 tournament event at chicago pizza at the jacksonville landing. at 1:34 p.m., 911 calls came in stating people had been shot inside the chicago pizza. two minutes later, at 1:36, officers went inside the pizza landing. the lockdown as other patrol units worked in the area. when s.w.a.t. and bomb teams arrived on the scene they conducted a detailed sweep of the landing. there were three deceased individuals at the scene. one of those being the suspect who took his own life. there were nine victims transported by jfrd to area hospitals. some of those have gunshot wunts. there were two additional gunshot victims that self-transported themselves to local hospitals. i'm happy to report they are all in stable condition at this time.

so let me recap. there were 14 total victims. 12 with gunshot wounds and 12 with other injuries that were sustained during that fleeing the restaurant. so please note this number may change as we learn about the victims who may have transported themselves to area hospitals. if you are a victim and you have not heard from us, we ask that you please call us at 630-52 -- the single suspect in this case is a white male. this is pending confirmation, but we believe the suspect to be 24-year-old david katz from baltimore, maryland, and the fbi is assisting us with that leg of the investigation in baltimore. we have located and impounded the suspect's vehicle. a search of that is pending. we believe he stayed somewhere locally last night, maybe at a hotel. if anyone has any information about where he stayed last night, please call 630-0500

or -- we will be releasing more detailed information about the suspect in the next couple hours. so we know that suspect used at least one hand gun to commit this act and we are working again with our partners at atf on that aspect of the investigation. so i'll not be discussing any details pertaining to the motive at this time as that part of the investigation is ongoing. as i mentioned at an earlier news conference, there is a video. we do have a copy of that footage. we are asking if anyone has any additional video footage to please e-mail that, call us 630-0500 to get that additional information to us. so, our family assistance unit is up and running. so if you have a loved one that you believe to be at that event and you have not heard from them, please call us again at 630-0500 so we can have that information. if anyone has any information in reference to this shooting, any information at all, we're asking you again call us at 630-0500.

e-mail us at crime tips at jack sheriff.org. use our partners at crime stoppers 1-866-045-tips. i want to take a minute and thank the men and women of jacksonville sheriff's office and jacksonville fire and rescue for their incredible response today. so we spent a lot of time training together in separately for events like this. we pray obviously it never happens. but today it did. and they were prepared. i also want to thank our partners, many of our partners who stepped up with us today to help us work through all of the challenges that we have today. so with that i will invite our mayor to say a few words. >> thank you, sheriff. today, this evening and tonight, jacksonville is mourning. we have faced an occurrence that is all too common and will require us to continue to do the

hard work -- >> we have been listening in to law enforcement update us on the tragic shooting in jacksonville at a madden event. the news conference tells us these officials tell us that there were two victims plus the shooter. the ennis deincident started at p.m. they named a 24-year-old white male suspect, david katz of baltimore, maryland. they say that he used at least one hand gun and that they're working with the atf to figure out that piece of this investigation. they also asked any additional victims that they might not be aware of to let them know that they have been injured as the complex was very large. we're going to continue to follow this tragic story throughout the evening. but for now we'll be right back. you're headed down the highway

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next week is the anniversary of your plane going down over vietnam. are you reflecting on that at all as you, you know, go through the trials you're facing right now? >> yeah, but my memories are that honor in serving in the company of heroes. i rejoice in my experience with

those serving in the company of heroes is the greatest honor of my life. >> that was senator mccain reflecting on a notable anniversary. and as you can see, he handled that question as he often does when he is asked about his service to the country. john meacham, that has -- it was the message that we heard from the senator himself in the months before he passed as he did final interviews with tom brokaw. his last interview before he died reflecting that he wanted people to say that he served his country and hopefully that they would add honorably. >> it's a soldier's or in his case, sailors, aviator's creed. george w. bush is very much like that. if you ask how he wanted to be remembered, i hope you'll always remember i put the country first. we're losing that ethos. i think it can be reinvigorated. it has been from age to age.

we're at a moment -- and you have covered a lot of these folks through the years -- where bob dole, who bears the scars of physical bravery. john mccain who bears those scars. john lewis who bears the scars of physical bravery. senator duck worth is in that tradition. these are rare people. and i think that we have to honor that and remember, as we fight through the battles of the present, that the people who are willing to put themselves forward, who are willing to go into the arena and fight the good fight are the kind of people we need to encourage. and when we find them, support them as hard as we can. >> katty kay, one decision that john mccain made that was criticized at the time and has been criticized since was his decision to pick sarah palin as vice-president. it was a choice at the time that really foreshadowed what we have seen in our politics since then in a way i think many of us

perhaps didn't grasp at the time because it was palin and the people who loved her that really have carried through with the republican party, not necessarily people who have backed someone like john mccain. >> one of the unusual things about john mccain he was prepared to admit when he was wrong. and he, after the 2008 election, he said in retrospect he should have chosen joe lieberman who was a good friend, who had been a democrat, then an independent, effectively said this was a mistake. john mccain, we played this clip all day, standing there saying, no, barack obama is not an arab. he's a man who loves his country. he's a patriot, we just have disagreements. sarah palin said barack obama was someone who palled around with terrorists. when he looks back at that campaign, he recognized that she was not the tone that he wanted to set. you heard him on the night of his defeat in phoenix. i was down there with him. and he gave this speech that was full of generosity towards barack obama and the country and

full of hope. and i remember thinking, if it had been that john mccain who had run this election campaign in 2008, maybe we would be looking at a different scenario. >> yeah, i think one of the things we -- one of the things that goes along with being a maverick is being something of a gambler. sarah palin was a huge gamble. >> indeed. >> at the time all the enthusiasm, all the excitement was with barack obama. mccain saying, we're going to roll the dice. we're going to try something new. we're going to shake things up. the thing we forget today is initially it appeared to be working. he had spent years attacking the republican party. he was not beloved by the base of the republican party and sarah palin was a shot of pure adrenaline to republican voters. we walked out of the convention in st. paul already worried about some of the questions the media were investigating, but also excited and enthusiastic about -- >> she was a rock star when she was at that convention. >> it was a real -- it was a m gamble, it was a choice, it was a mistake.

there is a straight line from the selection of sarah palin we find ourselves in today. for a time for awhile there, for a few brief days, it seemed to be working. >> pimple with lipstick? it wore off quickly. john meacham, thanks to you as well. appreciate your insights tonight. when we come back, michael cohen, omarosa, david pecker, allen weisselberg, some of the president's most loyal associated trying to protect their hydes. pete williams joins us with the mueller investigation next.

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campaign finance violations to cover up affairs. then david pecker, long-time friend and ceo of the "national enquirer." he was granted immunity for information on cohen. manafort was convicted of eight counts of bank fraud and tax fraud. glenn ivy joipz us. nbc justice correspondent pete williams. former u.s. district attorney in the southern district of new york, mimi rocca. i'll start with you on this overview of so many of these people closely tied to president trump, which one of these myriad investigations, in your view, is potentially the most threatening to the president? there is one in the southern district of new york. there's the mueller probe. there's paul manafort and whether he may or may not potentially flip, obviously part of the mueller probe. what's your sense?

>> kasie, it's a great question and, you know, i think really the honest answer is they're all threatening in different ways. the mueller investigation i think still poses the potential to reveal things that are so intensely criminal in nature. in other words, you know, this idea of conspiring with a foreign adversary, essentially, to throw the election. that really is unheard of. and if mueller can really tie trump to that directly, that would be devastating. and part of why that may seem sort of less of a threat right now is because mueller hasn't had the opportunity to speak -- prosecutors as i think we all know right now, only speak through official filings. mueller has had little opportunity to do that. when we have seen glimpse of it, though, it has been quite close to the president and quite devastating. the southern district of new york prosecution has started small, but has the potential to

grow because it is in many ways a public corruption, campaign finance, financial investigation that that office does, you know, often. and those have the -- they usually do just sort of spiral and grow like a spider web, if you will, as they continue. so i think that also -- and then lastly i would say the state prosecutions also have the real potential to be a great threat in large part because the president doesn't have the pardon power. >> pete williams, to this point, you've covered -- i gegs nouess of us have covered an investigation like this one. but you've covered variations on the theme over many years. and you were covering, i know, the manafort trial in-depth the past couple of weeks. was there anything that you took away from how that unfolded that shed some light on what might happen next, on how bob mueller is approaching this and how it kind of played out in the courtroom with convictions and then of course with some of the

charges that didn't stick? >> well, the one thing you can say for certain is that manafort is going to go on trial again in just a couple of weeks, september 17th he'll go on trial in the district of columbia on very similar charges to the ones in virginia. they're charged in a different way and the conduct is different than they're charging. they're saying he failed to register as a foreign lobbyist during all the time he was doing that work for ukraine. he should have, the government says, because he was actually lobbying in the u.s. on behalf of victori session yanakovich ad his government. he was engaged in witness tampering and other charges like that. you saw hence this week whether the president was thilg about pardoning manafort. there's been an evolution in the president's statements about manafort. early on he said he only worked for me, what, for a couple of weeks. >> he was very unimportant. >> after the conviction he said, you know, what a brave man, that he didn't flip, that he didn't plead guilty and cooperate with

mueller. so his tone has certainly changed. certainly should give mueller a little optimism, maybe, although rudy giuliani has said this week, no consideration of pardons until after the mueller investigation is over. >> that certainly has been pushing behind the scenes. glenn, your observations over the sheer number of people who are close to president trump who are now caught up in this and the level of detail, particularly i'm struck by allen weisselberg who knows where, if there are any bodies buried in the trump organization, he accounted for how that burial was paid for. >> yes. yeah. >> so how dangerous is this? >> i think it's very dangerous. you know, the manafort conviction and the cohen plea sort of overshadowed mcgahn and weisselberg who really have potential to be very damaging in ways that we won't know for potentially months to come. >> we didn't even mention don mcgahn, did we? i don't think we brought him up. >> we did now. >> we have now. >> 30 hours of testimony, you know.

so it's interesting to see how this plays out because there is so much exposure on so many fronts for the president. >> katty kay, to pick up on pete's part about the political ramifications of that, i'm starting to wonder how that would -- i get no sense that if that pardon were to come down that there would be any sort of real outcry on capitol hill, for example, although i guess you never know. >> if i'm paul manafort and i don't get a pardon i'm feeling pretty knocked because the president has given so many signals of it. you've had a group of republican senators, lindsey graham, cornyn coming out and saying this isn't the right way to go. so far the leadership of the republican party is stuck with the president so vehemently on every single issue where we thought there might be a break, that even the prospect i think of a pardon for paul manafort at this point is hard to see why that would be the thing that would break them. >> for cohen certainly because the implication the president was involved in this. on weisselberg and pecker, there

is something we don't know. we assume that the reason that the u.s. attorney's office got their cooperation through an immunity agreement is to investigate cohen. what we don't know and what we think we know is that that'skno it. that they're not giving further testimony. we don't know that for sure. there have been sort of conflicting signals about that. >> the only other thing i would add, pete, you would know this, is whether the d.c. trial is going to bring out more about russia because it's about the foreign agent businesses whether that, therefore, could potentially get more to this issue of collusion, not just obstruction of justice. >> you know, they said at the trial in alexandria, virginia, that none of the government witnesses would even say the word, russia. we probably will hear a little more about it, but only a little more. and not the basic homework assignment that robert mueller has which is collusion. >> which is collusion. all right, pete williams. thank you all so much. it's very rare we only do this much time on mueller own one of

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welcome back. if you'll indulge me for a minute, i spent the past 48 hours thinking back on the times that i was lucky enough to find myself in the company of john mccain. i first started covering capitol hill back in 2008 when he was the republican nominee for president running against barack obama who was also a member of his beloved united states senate. in the weeks of mccain lost, his famous temper flared pretty often, but soon enough, he returned to his usual form. he was sharply funny. sometimes at your expense. heaven help you if you didn't know what you were talking about. . >> what are you doing? >> this is the worst kor spopt in t correspondentdoin in the histor the network. >> we might be live right now. >> good. that's great. the worst. >> as you can see, senator mccain reveled in his sparring

matches with us in the press, and he knew my name long before i ever appeared on television. he set an example also of bipartisanship that is sadly missing today. the year that i started, democrats were pushing obamacare through the senate under the careful watch of ted kennedy who chaired the powerful health committee. too soon, kennedy was diagnosed with the very disease that mccain would later die from nine years later to the very day. it was mccain who eulogized his friend. >> after labor day, i'll go back to the senate and i'll try to be as persistent as ted was. and as passionate for the work. i know i'm privileged to serve there, but i think most of my colleagues would agree the place won't be the same without him. >> senator mccain after a decade of trying to keep up with you in those marble hallways, i know the place that you so loved is going to be a lesser place without you. one by one, it seems we have

lost our lions. my hope for this congress and this country is that remembering and honoring your life and legacy, sir, will inspire the best among us to serve as you did. godspeed. it was here.

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welcome back to "kasie d.c." we're remembering the remarkable life of senator john mccain who died at the age of 81 after battling brain cancer.

republican ben sass said, "our nation aches for truth tellers. this man will be greatly missed." senator mccain's story is the american story. he once wrote, "i'm the son and the grandson of admirals. that's the first line of my biography." that's a fact that his captors in vietnam tried to use against him. mccain refused to let them and found himself using taps on the walls to communicate with other prisoners of war from his prison cell. he returned home after 5 1/2 years and spent decades in public life. chiefly in his beloved united states senate. in the end, he never became president. losing to george w. bush and later barack obama. and he resisted a changing of the guard in politics often at odds with president donald trump and the two shared a little more in common than their political party. and, yet, mccain did not yield. >> most wondrous land on earth, indeed. i've had the good fortune to spend 60 years in service to

this wondrous land. to fear the world we have organized and led the three quarters of a century, to boopd the ideals we advanced around the globe, to re fuse the obligations of international leadership and duty to remain the last best hope of earth, for the same of some half-baked spurious nationalist cooked up by people who would rather find scapegoats than solve problems. [ applause ] is as unpatriotic as an attachment to any other tired dogma of the past that americans consigned to the ash heap of history. . >> remarkable. he was known by his colleagues in the senate as a man unafraid to reach across the aisle.

and unafraid of bucking his own party for what he thought was the good of the country. one of his colleagues, democratic senator from minnesota amy klobuchar, joins me now from minneapolis. senator klobuchar, it's good to see you on this very somber weekend. but we've been remembering senator mccain here tonight for, of course, the accomplishments that he brought, but also for the man that he was. i know you spent quite a bit of time traveling with him. there was a new year's eve incident in the baltics, i'm told, among other things. what do you remember about him? >> well, kasie, i loved how you captured his sense of humor and how for him, jabbing at you a bit in good humor, good humor, was a compliment. there's nothing better when you're a democrat and got a call from john mccain which i did several times where he'd say i just saw you on sunday morning defending immigration. he goes, pretty good for a

communist. that was a compliment. he was someone that just had a joy about his work and, yes, as you know, he could get crabby, he could get intense, but he had a mission and that mission, i was reminded of the last time i saw him when my husband and i went to the ranch to see him and cindy, and he was frail, but still showed that true grit as he talked about the issues of the day. but he pointed to a line from one of his books where he said nothing in life is more liberating than fighting for a cause greater than yourself. that's what defined his life, letting prisoners of war be released before him. i stood with him in front of the cell in vietnam and saw how small the place was where he was tortured. whether it was working the senate as you point out bucking his party on everything from immigration, to being against torture or whether it was his decision in a solitary moment in

minnesota at that rally when that woman questioned barack obama's patriotism and he looked at her in a very polite way and said, ma'am, no, you're wrong, ma'am. he was a family man. he was a decent -- he is a decent person. that's what he said. and those are decisions, some were made over time, but some were made in the moment and that was john mccain. >> really demonstrated the instincts that he had in that moment. he also was known as being a mentor to other senators. he was somebody who cared deeply about the institution and it sounds as though he played that role for you. >> he did. and i'm sure you can think of people in your love, men who came before you and helped you out and introduced you around. well, that's what he did to so many senators and especially women senators on the world stage. and at times when we would be at meetings with all-male leaders, especially in asia, and it was

lindsey and me and john mccain and of course john mccain would start. he was the head of the delegation. then they'd all turn to look at lindsey graham. every single time john mccain would look at them and say, i'm sorry, senator klobuchar is a democratic lead of this delegation. she will go next. and he was in that moment telling them, no, this woman is someone to listen to. and i can't tell you how many other women, democrats and republicans, have told me similar stories and part of it may be that he spent his life surrounded by powerful women from his mother, who is still alive, to cindy mccain who's an incredibly strong person, to meghan and the rest of the family and may have sculpted who he was in those moments in the senate. >> roberta mccain, his mother, 106 years old, really, really remarkable. chuck schumer, your democratic leader, has proposed renaming the russell senate office building for senator mccain. is that something you would support?

>> of course. i think it is a very smart idea. it's a place, as dwroyou know, kasiersing kasiers, when you talk about walking the marble floors, it's where he worked for years and also embodies the traditions of the senate in that it's the oldest senate office building and he was a student of history. every trip that i went with him on, h he was constantly reading books. world war ii books. taking those lessons of history which you heard in that talk he gave on half-baked nationalism not so long ago. and bringing them to the present. understanding what that threat of russia really meant. and if i learned anything from him on foreign policy, it was that the lessons of history matter. and that america is at its strongest when we are a beacon for democracies around the world and that we shouldn't shirk from that duty. >> senator amy klobuchar, thank you so much for coming on tonight, sharing your thoughts

and reflections. >> thank you. thank you for capturing senator mccain with that moment where he was teasing you about your role as a journalist. >> always. >> he did that so well. >> he did. and we really miss him in the halls of the hill. as i know you know. so, thank you. i want to now welcome in my panel tonight. senior writer for politico, co-author of the political playbook, jake sherman. republican strategist and director of media affairs for john mccain's 2008 campaign, kevin mclaughlin. political columncolumnist, kare tumulty. and msnbc political analyst mike murphy. thank you all for being here tonight. i want, first, karen has written a definitive obituary of senator mccain. karen, you write in the "washington post," "when he acted like an ordinary politician, trimming principles in the cause of ambition and experience, it was all the more jarring because of the standard he had set. in the years that followed, a question often asked was which is the real john mccain?"

so which one is it? >> well, there really was -- john mccain had this code of honor that i think on the one hand both defined him, but i think it was also a burden. i think it also haunted him because when he fell short of his own standards, he was in torment. you ask what was the worst moment when he was a prisoner of war, it wasn't being tortured. it wasn't all those years of solitary confinement. it was -- it was when after having his arms rebroken, he was forced to sign a sort of stilted confession. so, again, you don't see that sort of kind of internal, you know, an internal code of honor in that many politicians. so, yes, he was both -- he was both of those john mccains. he was the john mccain who aspired perfection and he's the john mccain who sometimes fell short. >> mike murphy, pick up on that point. you're somebody who worked with

mccain in 2000 on that sort of improbable run that he made against george w. bush when h he really earned for all of the country that nickname of maverick. >> yeah. well, he -- he was a rascal. he -- he was driven by honor. his entire focus was serving with honor. but he was also human and he knew his flaws and he was very hard on himself. because he was a -- you know, a flawed person like all of us. so, and he was in the political world where you spend half your time trying to navigate mindfields with honor and the other half of your time suffering fools which it took him some patience to do. so it was a lot of fun. >> i'm not sure he actually had the patience. i don't know that -- >> i think he had pretty remarkable patience. i was around a lot of the fools he was suffering and it was pretty remarkable in 2000. i think the whole temper thing's overrated. i think people miss it which is

mccain -- what mccain never liked in life, excuse me, were -- his favorite word, joking, he didn't mean it, did sometimes behind closed doors, jerks and bullies. when he saw somebody with power bullying down, he had a dislike of it. there's a lot of that foolishness in politics but fundamentally what he tried to do and i thought was very sa succesac successful in doing through his career was put his own compass first and the hell with it if there was political trouble. he also loved to fight so he was able to bring those two things together. but he was very unique. and nobody was more fun to work with particularly in 2000 in a long shot campaign, where he had nothing to lose and it was like a bank heist. he was in the middle of it and he had a terrific time because he was alloweded ed ted to be d saw it resonated in the country in politics. >> so mccain came up short twice in his bids for president. he lost the 2000 primary. we were just talking about. to george w. bush.

and eight years later, of course, the general election to barack obama. and with the campaign reaching its fever pitch in october of 2008, mccain, of course, can see the writing on the wall. >> i come here tonight to the al smith dinner knowing i'm the underdog in these final weeks, but if you know where to look, there's signs of hope. there's signs of hope. even in the most unexpected places. even in this room full of proud manhattan democrats. i can't -- i can't shake that feeling that some people here are pulling for me. i'm delighted to see you here tonight, hillary. [ applause ]

i don't want it getting out of this room, but my opponent is an impressive fellow in many ways. political opponents can have a little trouble seeing the best in each other. but i've had a few glimpses of this man at his best. and i admire his great skill, energy, and determination. it's not for nothing that he's inspired so many folks in his own party and beyond. senator obama talks about making h history, and he's made quite a bit of it already. there was a time when the mere invitation of an african-american citizen to dine at the white house was taken as an outrage and an insult in many quarters. today, he's a world away from the cruel and prideful bigotry of that time, and good riddance. i can't wish my opponent luck, but i do wish him well.

[ applause ] >> kevin mclaughlin, where -- where is that in our politics today? where is it? we watched how republicans reacted after charlottesville. it's so far. >> yeah. >> from what john mccain did right there. >> yeah. you know, i think it's been a long slog to get to where we are right now. seeing him talk and think about 2008, i was with the mccain campaign in the 2007 primary and it was brutal, i was in charge of radio and tv, when i talked to the right wingers of the whole thing, john mccain was the mccain/kennedy immigration bill and the surge in iraq and would get crushed every day. >> there's even conspiracy theories that karen was talking about. they call him a traitor. >> every day we get to work at 6:00, stand at the desk and hope to god we get through the day, come out and everything would be okay. mccain had this ability in the military, i think they have a saying, it's like do the hard

right as opposed to the easy wrong and totally embodied him. he came back from iraq when he met the soldier who got shot through the eye who grabbed him by the arm. and whispered in his ear, i'm pulling for you. he came right in the campaign office and was just, like, a mess. he was off the plane and he was crying. and everyone was crying. and it made it so much bigger and so much easier to work in those terrible days. >> yeah. jake sherman, on capitol hill, it's clear that people who have spent a lot of time up there, you know, really loved him. and republicans loved him. this president, though, not so much. >> to. definitely not. and i think part of it, i'm not -- it's tough to put anybody on the psychiatric couch, but john mccain, i don't think there's anybody in the senate or in the house who could go out into the world and meet with world leaders and have the gravitas that mccain has. he's almost like seen as a head of state. >> yeah. >> when he's out there in the world. out there on congressional

delegations meeting with people, leaders around the world. he commands that kind of respect. and thinking through the elected officials that we have now, there's really nobody else like that, but i think the president has had a long distaste for john mccain for whatever reason, in 1999 in an interview i think with dan rather on "60 minutes" brought up that the idea that he was captured. so this is something that's been going on for decades. right? so it's not a new thing. >> and i'm glad you make that point because the "washington post" is reporting tonight that president trump squashed plans for a white house statement praising the life and heroism of senator john mccain. current and former white house aides tell the "post" that the statement was drafted before mccain's death and it was ready for the president to sign off on it. but upon review, the president reportedly decided he would rather post a brief tweet instead. that read, "my deepest sympathies and respect go out to the family of senator john

mccain. our hearts and prayers are with you." the post is reporting as well your colleagues, karen, that this white house statement would have called him a hero, praised his military service and his president elected not to do that. >> it's sort of small on the president's part. it's reminiscent of him going and signing the defense authorization bill a couple weeks ago which is named for john mccain. and not mentioning john mccain's name. because it does appear that with donald trump, everything is about donald trump. and so he has a feud going with him and he will not let go of it. he will not look at john mccain in the larger lens of his service to this country which was incredible. and lasted for many decades. >> i think it's important to also note, if you look at george w. bush is going to eulogize john mccain. they had one of the nastiest

primary npr primaries in recent presidential history. it's possible to disagree with somebody politically -- >> there was very personal stuff in the 2000 campaign around senator mccain's daughter and yet he still, of course, extending forgiveness and asked, we've been reporting, that mccain personally asked both bush and obama to deliver those eulogies. all right. we have much more to come on the show tonight. we're going to talk about who will fill john mccain's seat and how he is shaping another race for senate in arizona. and later, is the u.s. ready to take on trolls and fake accounts in 2018? we're joined exclusively by facebook's former chief security officer. he says no. we're going to talk about facebook's missteps and missed opportunities to get it right in 2016. opportunities to get it ghrit in 2016 you wouldn't accept an incomplete job

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not only was a finally on the bus, but only was a finally the bus, but i was finally going to get a chance to talk to senator john mccain. >> what is it. >> you're welcome on our bus at any time. >> let's do a lightning round. >> okay. >> your favorite book? >> from whom the bell tolls. >> favorite movie? >> marlon brando. >> close enough. >> if i were a tree, i would be a -- >> if i were a tree, i would be a root. what does mat mean? senator, how do you reconcile the fact you were one of the midwest vocal critics of pork barrel politics yet while you were chairman of the commerce committee, that committee set a

record for unauthorized appropriations? i'm just kidding. no, i don't even know what that means. >> a glimpse at the lighter side of john mccain playing along with steve corel in a 1999 episode of "the daily show." kevin mclaughlin, we've talked a lot about obviously the somber aspects of this, but this was a guy who was real, he was personable, he was funny. not poll tested. not carefully shined. consultants, maybe a nightmare but in his case kind of a dream. >> he had a wicked sense of humor. whenever anyone asks me what he was like, i'm like think of all the stereotypical traits people say about fighter pilots and he had them all. i mean, he was -- he was fearless. he was reckless. he was funny. he was arrogant. he was smart. he was hardworking. i mean, he was -- he was everything. and he really made it an amazing -- you wanted to aspire

to be like him. the thing i liked most about him as a human being was he was in touch with his shortcomings and very open about them. while he was his heavyweight, respected, seen as a head of state around the world, he still could touch, you know, the average american person because he was open and honest about his shortcomings and failures and there was an amazing quality. >> one moment in that time, too, karen, was the keating 5 scandal which he later reflected on as one of his worst moment. >> that's right. this was during the savings and loan crisis back in 1989. senator mccain and four democrats became known as the keating 5 because they had met with savings and loan regulators on behalf of a donor, charles keating. john mccain said, was so horrified, at his own behavior even though of the keating 5, he got the least, you know, serious admonishment from the senate. but he said this is going to be on my tombstone, but it was from

that that he really decided to pick up with russ feingold and for seven years, it took them to get campaign finance reform through. so it was just so typical of the way john mccain would handle his own shortcomings and in this case it was a lapse of judgement. >> yeah. another sort of correction he made to himself, jake, was the issue of the confederate flag and this was back in the 2000 campaign when he said that he should not have stayed neutral on the confederate flag. that was something that he later went out and made a statement and said i was wrong to do that. i, you know, here is where i stand. that was long before this became a real issue but something where he had to back track. >> he actually in a recent interview, his most recent interview on "the view" where this daughter meghan mccain is a most, he said several times a clearly frail john mccain in the

last kind of months of his life said that was his biggest regret ever. not speaking out about that in south carolina during that primary. which is stunning. i mean, that's a long career and he brought that up twice. this is something that i should have been more vocal on, i should have been more forceful on. as a national leader. so it's -- it's refreshing because we don't have politicians who do that in almost any way anymore. people don't reflect. people are dug in on their points of view and don't have any time for self-reflection. >> yeah. we're sort of ruled by the tyranny of the tweets, it seems. karen, thank you so much for being here and sharing your insights tonight. coming up on "kasie d.c." my exclusive interview with the former chief security officer of facebook, alex stamos joins me live after the break. s joins me live after the break man: tom's my best friend, but ever since he bought a new house... tom: it's a $10 cover? oh, okay. didn't see that on the website. he's been acting more and more like his dad. come on, guys! jump in! the water's fine! tom pritchard.

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. welcome back. while the country waits for robert mueller to release his report on russian interference in the 2016 presidential election, it's important to remember threats to our democracy are still being detected. just this week, facebook said it removed 652 fake accounts, pages and groups after discovering new influence operations linked to russia and iran. meanwhile, in a new op-ped for law fair, former facebook chief security officer writes, "in some ways the united states has broadcast to the world that it doesn't take these issues seriously and that any perpetrators of information warfare against the west will get at most a slap on the

wrist." joining me is alex stamos, now a visiting scholar at the hoover institution. thank row you so much for being the show tonight. >> thank you, kasie. >> let's start with what happened in 2016. what did facebook know? what, in your view, and how, did they fall short? >> so there's really two different parts of the russian disinformation campaign in 2016. the first was a campaign that was undertaken by the main intelligence director of the russian military which is also called the greu and that campaign was mostly focused on stealing information and then using that stolen information, in particular, e-mails from the dnc and john podesta, to create news stories and amplify them that were harmful to hillary clinton's campaign. the second component was the trolling operation which is mostly done by a group called the internet research agency of st. petersburg. that was a campaign that was

particularly on twitter and facebook and aimed at heightening tensions between different groups in the united states. >> do you think that facebook is taking this seriously enough now? >> i think so. i think all the tech companies are taking it extremely seriously. their responsibility to find and stop disinformation. that's why you saw announcements this week from microsoft, from facebook, from twitter, from googl google. . that's not an accident. these companies are working together to find and stop these groups. the problem is the companies can't do it by themselves. this is going to require all of society approach to push back and deter these adversaries because in the long run, in an open society like ours, there's always a chance for this kind of disinformation and propaganda to be injected into social media and the media environment overall. >> yeah. did you try to raise alarms in 2016 about what was going on, from your position were you able to see there was this nefarious behavior going on? >> 2016, we were real ly focuse

on the traditional types of cyber security threats from russia we expected around the election, particularly the hacking campaign. and what we did see, we turned over proactively to federal law enforcement. what wasn't of -- as something that we were looking into as deeply at the time was the pure problem began do activities and that's where i think the companies have really made big steps in the last two years to have dedicated teams looking for propaganda actors as well as a bunch of technology that makes for that coordinated inauthentic behavior of pushing the stories of what is sometimes called fake news, sometimes called disinformation of pushing those over and over again in front of people's eyeballs and trying to raise the divisiveness in american society overall. >> mark zuckerberg has been criticized for not taking this seriously enough. how much personal responsibility do you think and other tech ceos bear for this? >> well, you know, it's hard to say.

we're at this intersection of these huge historical forces and whomever the ceos were going to be of these companies, this was always an issue that we're going to have to deal with. when internet technicology gave billions of people voice, it also opened the door for entirely new types of manipulation that we've never seen before. what i can say about mark is i know he takes this really seriously. he is really concerned about the long-term impact of the company he's built. and i think it's great that we've seen from mark and the other ceos them taking personal responsibility then getting personally involved with leading the response in 2018 and 2020. >> do you think that facebook has been transparent enough with its users in how it's dealing with this? >> this is also one of those interesting changes over the last couple of years. it used to be the acceptable steps that a company would take if finding activity by a foreign country was to inform law enforcement. inform the federal government. and let them handle the public

aspect. what we're seeing is that's not going to be good enough. so you've seen this progression first with us publishing the paper in april of 2017 then later in the summer of 2017. more information first coming out of facebook then later out of twitter and google about the kinds of things we had found in 2016. and what i think you're going do see now is this regular pace of all the major tech companies coming out and saying in very short order after an event happens we have found this activity, we have stopped it, here's what we know and here's what we're doing to stop it in the future. >> we know that one thing that essentially trying to foment dissent on controversial topics online and this has sort of come back to the center with alex jones who after some pressure was critics call it censored but others say, look, this guy is violating terms of service, left, right and center and is saying things that are, frankly,

appalling. was -- did facebook react too slowly to the alex jones issue? and is there a responsibility in this context of security and election security and our political security? does facebook have a responsibility to take on figures like this? >> i see the alex jones issue a little different than the elections security issue. content policies are a really difficult area and when it comes to alex jones, the focus has been rightly so on his naming of individuals he disagrees with and kind of sending his followers after them and i do agree the platforms have a responsibility to make sure they're not used for these threatening messages to be put out. but i also think we have to be really careful here. these companies are incredibly powerful. some of them are approaching $1 trillion in market capitalization. i don't think it is a good outcome at this time would be to have the massive tech companies effectively operating as a ministry of truth. of deciding who is a journalist or not, what is outside the

acceptable bounds of behavior? i think they need transparent rules around the safety of individuals. and to enforce that in a vigorous and, again, transparent way. but i don't think we should rush into the idea that the best way to deal with people like alex jones is to have them disappear off the internet. i don't think that solves root problems we're dealing with. >> one thing we've also been grappling with here is, frankly, the speed with which these technologies have been invented and how that can lead to unintended consequences. i want to read from a memo that you wrote to your colleagues back in march just days after announcing you were leaving facebook. you say, "we need to listen to people including internally when they tell us a feature is creepy or point out a negative impact we were having in the world. we need to deprioritize short-term growth in revenue and explain to wall street why that's okay. we need to be willing to pick sides when there are clear moral or humanitarian issues and need to be open, honest and transparent about our channels and what we are doing to fix

them." what do you say to people who feel as though, perhaps, they're not being listened to? do you think facebook is trying to live up to the standard that you set in that memo or did that fall on deaf ears? >> so there's a lot of people who agree with me about what facebook needs to do. there's some great people who are still there who are working on it. this is one of the reasons i'm happy to come to stanford is one of both the strengths and weaknesses of silicon valley is we don't have a lot of memory so you have young people coming out of universities like stanford, not remembering the failures of the past. that makes them very excited and fearless in creating new technologies but it also means they don't learn from the mistakes those of us who are older than them have made. so one of my goals here at stanford, i think a number of people here share that, we need to start to imbue into the next generation of tech leaders understanding of that technology will always be misused to cause harm and understand how it's been misused in the past and make sure if we're going to make

mistakes, we should make new ones. not the same mistakes over and over again. >> very quickly before i let you go here, are the 2018 elections under attack? >> i think with what we saw from the announcements from microsoft and facebook this week is that the russian actors have not been deterred. the russian government is still wants to be involved in the u.s. elections. and that their playbook is going to be picked up by a number of other countries. what the russians did in 2016 is that not technically sophisticated and there's iran, china and north korea that have the capability to run the same playbook. so i can't say what exactly is going to happen in 2018. what i do know is we haven't really used the last two years effectively to prevent attacks against 2018. we need to start thinking right now about the ways we're going to change our election infrastructure, how we're going to change the laws around online advertising, how we're going to secure the election in 2020. we can't wait another two years to get seriously involved with deterring this action and securing our elections.

>> alex stamos, thanks so much for sharing your insights tonight. really appreciate it. >> thanks, casey. thank you. >> good to see you. just ahead, new reporting on how republicans in congress are preparing for a potential blue wave and the investigations that could come with it. "kasie d.c." back in a moment. "kasie d.c." back in a moment. it's inspected by mercedes-benz factory-trained technicians, or it isn't. it's backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isn't. for those who never settle, it's either mercedes-benz certified pre-owned, or it isn't. the mercedes-benz certified pre-owned sales event, now through august 31st. only at your authorized mercedes-benz dealer.

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in the midterm elections. jonathan swan obtained a document that's reportedly been circulating throughout gop circles including one leadership office that lays out the potential probes that democrats will likely pursue if they flip the house. some of the investigations republicans are predicting, one on the president's tax returns. one on the payment to stormy daniels. one on james comey's firing. one on the family separation policy. and one on the hurricane response in puerto rico. and jake sherman, that is a pretty short list. the list is actually much longer than what we showed on the screen there. i feel like sometimes in our quickness to raise the specter of watergate and impeachment the way many on the left are discussing, we missed the fact there's a whole hell of a rot of steps in between and lot of investigative power the democrats don't currently have that they could gain if they win the house. >> i think impeachment would obviously be a huge headache for president trump is the least of his headache but going to have democrats throwing out

subpoenas, holding out investigative hearings. i remember in the early days of the obama administration and late days of the obama administration republicans did that. darrell issa did that. >> i almost forgot about darrell issa. >> i never forgot about that. that's a big headache. i do want to say we don't know who's going to be in the leadership of the house republicans at this point so there's no real way for them to prepare because we don't know who the top house republicans are going to be and plus a lot of the preparation has to come out of the white house. it's about turning over documents. it's going to be really messy. i agree with jonathan on this, i've long thought people, democrats, republicans are not prepared enough. >> the white house definitely does not seem prepared enough according to my sources. when we come backing we're going to dive into the dirty world of florida politics. plus inside the race to replace jeff flake. states of play up next. e jeff fe states of play up next let's begin. yes or no? do you want the same tools and seamless experience

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on tuesday, voters in arizona will cast their ballots in the primary to replace senator jeff flake. republican candidate kelli ward made her final pitch to voters on a bus tour where she was joined by a number of conservative voices including one of the main promotors of the pizza gate conspiracy that led to a shooting here in d.c. i asked her about that last week on the show. do you support his views, generally speaking?

>> i don't really know what his views are. i know he's got an audience and we want to serve everyone. >> and nbc's vaughn hillyardnbc controversial guest appearance. >> attaching those things to me is ridiculous because we need to have a hook to get you guys interested in seeing the buck tour, and so just having a great candidate is not enough for the media, sadly, so you need someone to spin things up. >> you've been following the race this week, joining me now from phoenix. vaughn, what's it looking like on the ground there, and, obviously, so many dynamics at play. this is jeff flake's old seat felt he couldn't win, and now that's under the shadow of senator mccain's passing. >> reporter: come this winter, arizona will not be represented by the likes of flake or mccain anymore.

there's three individuals vies tuesday for the republican nomination. kelly ward and others, to be clear, none of them have stood or sung the praises of flake or mccain. interestingly, one who has is the democrat, likely democratic nominee who is marketed herself this summer across tv air waves as a western independent. i say this from the aspect i didn't know mccain like you did, casey, or like a lot of the colleagues, but i grew up ten minutes down the road from mccain in arizona, and for as long as i lived, mccain represented me and my state as a u.s. senator, and i want to note that. over two months, we'll see whether the likes of the john mccain, that independent voice, or the likes of a kirsten that propels the state forward. looking at this, casey, this is a matter of a state that john mccain when he moved here in 1981, two years later running for congress in 1983. he was calmed the carpet bagger.

from iowa to new york came to move here. four years later, he took on the role that goldwater left as u.s. senator. there's a lot of individuals like this that have been provocative figures across the state that give the wild west look, but it's a matter of the likes of john mccain, the goldwaters, o'connor that represented this state. i'll remind you in 2016 in november, casey, it was mccain that won the race by 13 percentage points and donald trump won his by just three. casey? >> thank you so much for the reporting. i'll see you in arizona tomorrow, my friend. meanwhile, voters in florida will also cast their ballots and several hotly contested primaries tuesday. president trump won the state by just one point in 2016. in both parties, they are pouring money into the race. while the president and his policies have dominated the news, some voters tell us there's something in the water that could have a big impact come election day. >> reporter: politics can be a

dirty business anywhere, but in florida -- >> all the way through. >> reporter: you can take that literally. toxic blue-green algae in long lasting red tide packed a punch, not just to florida's waters. >> miles in every direction. i'm second generation fishermen, and my dad never saw anything like this. >> reporter: the state to decide which party controls the u.s. senate is voting with the environment front of mind. >> i don't consider myself a single issue voter, but in this case, i'm a single issue voter. >> reporter: while rick scott and nelson try to slam each other -- >> bill nelson made a pledge 30 years ago to solve this problem. ♪ >> reporter: voters just want a solution. >> the algae thing is, i think, the major crisis here. i'm a republican. i vote republican. but i don't know if i would vote republican for this, but i won't

vote for nelson either. >> reporter: polls show it's the environment, not russia or tariffs, among the most important issues to voters, but one of florida's most famous residents is shaping the race as well. >> and everybody needs the support rhonda in the august 28th primary. >> reporter: that endorsement with a trumped up ad -- >> then mr. trump said, you're fired! i love that part. >> reporter: jolted a lagging opponent, state agriculture opponent, showing the grassroots power of a trump endorsement. >> putnam's been in government a long time, but with that, trump endorsement, santos will have an edge. >> reporter: meanwhile, democrats tried to one-up each other when it comes to standing up to donald trump. >> i fought donald trump and can continue to fight donald trump. >> donald trump is the example of a bully. >> only candidate in america willing to stand up for trump in his own drining room.

>> you think trump is on the ballot because he's in every ad. >> reporter: it's under voters' noses that bring them to the ballot box. >> you see images of dead fish and wildlife, but the odor is atroesa atrocio atrocious. that motivates me. >> reporter: and, casey, i think that there's a really interesting dynamic i'm watching for tuesday, this shift in the republican party here in florida. the trumpfication of the gop that we talk about. sanchez, fox news darling, relative outsider considering the fact that putnam, the opponent, is a fifth generation, a long time public servant here in florida. sanchez with the trump nod could show the republican party here in florida that once nominated and elected jeb bush to the governorship is very much different in 2018. casey? >> seems like those days may be behind us. thank you so much. great reporting. when we return here, what to

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before we go, let's talk about what you're watching in the week ahead. kevin? >> friday to get a nasa deal, and so the decision to see if the administration can get that done, and arizona primary tuesday. >> uh-huh. >> how trump handles hipmself i a week that's about john mccain and whether that affects the 2018 midterms and if people are

turned off with trump douumping all over mccain. >> i'm heading to arizona to cover that primary and the funeral at the end of the week. that's all for us here, i'm kasie dc. we're back here tomorrow night. for tonight, good night from washington. ♪ this sunday, the passing of an american original, john mccain, war hero, icon of integrity, and political member died late yesterday, four days shy of his 82nd birthday. a prisoner of war for five and a half years in vietnam. >> i fell in love with my country when i was a prisoner in someone else's. >> elected to the senate six times beginning in 1986. >> this is a man to watch, his name is john mccain. >> republican presidential nominee against brack obama. >> with a sense of history. >> president obama achieved a great thing for himself and