it's time for "up". >> this is "up". i'm jonathan cape heart in for david gura. after getting almost universally slammed, the president now since his doral golf resort will no longer host next year's g7 summit. he is blaming the dems and the media as usual. >> a potential game changer in

the impeachment inquiry. the diplomat whose text messages sounded the alarm about the trump ukraine policy is set to testify this week. we will discuss the latest with senator and presidential candidate cory booker. new marching orders in syria. donald trump said u.s. troops will be coming home, but his defense secretary now says they're going to iraq instead. and the attorney general's expanding hunt for the origins of the russia investigation. if there's no clear allegation of wrongdoing, what is william barr really with us? up is a. scold bolden, former chair of the democratic party, elise jordan and fran chess what chambers, white house correspondent for mcclatchey news. the man who never likes to back down on anything no matter what finally had to. last night president trump reversed his widely criticized

decision to host next year's g7 summit at his private resort in doral, florida. in a string of tweets the president said he thought the idea was, quote, doing something good for our country and listed the many reasons why he thought doral made sense. let's note more than 500 health code violations the past five years were not listed. he blamed the media and democrats, accusing them of going crazy and floated camp david as an alternative. this is odd for a president who rarely backs down. it's not just the democrats slamming him. the president buckled to the criticism coming from within his own party. even pundits on fox news said this was too much to stomach. >> the purpose of the emollients clause is to keep the president of the united states from profiting off foreign money. here we go again.

not in the campaign but some event or entity that he patrols or is running. he bought himself an enormous headache now with the choice of this. this is about as direct and profound a violation of the emollients clause as one could create. . >> well, that's incredible. frances francesca, you were saying before you were going on you were reporting the doral story all night. >> i'm so tired, guys. >> in the introduction we talked about this is rare for the president to reverse himself. he didn't admit that he made a mistake. >> right. >> why did this happen? it's not that he had some crisis of moral consciousness here. >> also, they knew this was going to be the reaction to having it at doral. he already said at the previous g7 he was going to have it in miami, possibly at his own property. so they knew this storm was

going to be hitting them. so why he made the reversal last night? honest honestly, he likes to toy the with the media. i'm sure he loves me saying i had to work all night. but him mentioning it could be at camp david now. mick mulvaney absolutely ruled out camp david as a site during that press briefing because he said that when it was there people were miserable and didn't like it. he also noted that the press corps that follows the president was one of the groups of people that didn't like it. so maybe he is trying to stick it to us. you were mean so now i'm going to have it at camp david. i don't know. >> i spoke to a security professional who is familiar with the g8 when the bush presidency held it at camp -- at sea island, georgia. so that's a perfect site because it's contained. it's very hard to enter and to

leave. thrls no housing at camp david. you are ferrying people back and forth. mick mulvaney was not completely wrong when he said camp david can be a pain in terms of the orchestration. >> it's not like they haven't hosted world leaders at camp david before. i believe pete souza, the master of shade from president obama's administration, the former photographer for president obama tweeted out a picture of all of them at camp david. >> it may not have been a favorite place for them. but there is something else going on, jonathan, as counselor on the show this morning, the emoluments clause. the president essentially awarded himself a huge contract, huge government contract. and the president is pushing back much like they are pushing back on syria. >> can we put that up?

keep talking. >> remember, there are about three cases, one in d.c., one in new york, and one elsewhere. they are still pending. some are on appeal. this was just such a self were-promotion, if you will, and self grandisement piece. >> to your point, using doral in the way that the president wanted to in terms of benefiting the president, my colleague at the "washington post", david farenthold wrote the story about why would the president want to have it at doral? because revenues are way down. >> they're struggling. >> how bad does donald trump's doral need this business? look what has happened there. i can't read -- from his

residency 16-17. revenue fell 13.8%. net operating income fell 62%. >> i would be panicking if my net operating income fell 62%. >> our personal checkbook. >> it is ridiculous he put it out to begin with. you see him float trial balloons constantly to see what he can get away with. what francesca and i were talking about about this incident, he finally backed down. something finally scared him. was it the republicans, actual legal threat. >> first of all, you are cutting out my work for all of today for me. his property is losing money. that's something that my colleagues at the "miami herald" have been writing about, 70% loss in profit for that particular property the last

couple of years. even though mull vapy said, no, he will do it at cost, that was one of our questions do which is that do at cost mean? he would still be getting money for that for his property. and local authorities prior to that hadn't been contacted. so it was, at least not to our knowledge. so it was also kind of shocking when they announced it at that particular briefing. and then the white house said afterwards, well, they knew it would be a site they could secure because he's been there before. that sort of thing. >> the ingress, egress. there are other problems too. if you have ever been to doral. and i concede i was at doral years ago. it is a great facility, don't get me wrong. but it's in the middle of a community. it's a neighborhood community that it sits in the middle of it. what is going to happen to the ingress, egress, the community and the neighbors. they would have to manage that

also. i don't think he cares about that. >> i was going to say. >> but that added to the headache, if you will. how do you define cost? well, in business, and i represent a lot of business people over my 30 years of practicing law, they can do whatever they want with the numbers and just give you a profit sheet or a loss sheet and say this is what happened with absolutely no backup. so, again, he's try ig to defend the indefensible. but the key will be where will they have the g7 summit? >> we're going to have to go out of this discussion. before we go, i want to remind people, remember, last month the pentagon reported military spending at turnberry in scotland was nearly $200,000 between 2017 and 2019. we'll have a lot more on that g7 back flip later in the program. plus, the developments on the 2020 trail a.

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welcome back to "up". i'm jonathan cape heart in for david gura. tuesday will heat up with the

closed door depositions of key officials. among them the top u.s. diplomat in ukraine, bill taylor, the man whose text messages kept raising red flags about the holdup on military aid to ukraine. in september, taylor asked the ambassador to the eu, are we now saying they are conditioned on investigations? call me responds sondland. and taylor stresses again days later, as i sit on the phone, i think it's crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign. wednesday will bring the deposition of another career diplomat, phillip reeker. he pushed back on the fake anywhe narrati narrative. josh, what are we watching for in ambassador taylor's deposition this week?

of course josh is politico senior affairs writer. thank you very much for being here. what can we expect this week? >> well, jonathan, i think what the house is going to be trying to figure out, and members of this committee, the intelligence committee are trying to figure out is to find the consistencies and inconsistencies in the different accounts. you mentioned the text messages. they were basically traded among three officials. so you had taylor, along with kurt volker and gordon sondland going back and forth. it seems like sonde lalasondlann is the one most favorable to the president, though not entirely favorable to him. it seems like taylor was the one most suspicious that there was a dirty political deal being done. so you're going to have them trying to figure out what went down here and did people say to each other verbally perhaps something that's a little bit different from what's actually

errored in t recorded in the texts. >> in reading those nails, i'm sort of reminded of all the other folks who have been called to testify and then are subpoenaed and have defied the subpoenas. i'm thinking now apparently the outgoing energy secretary rick perry was called to testify. and he announced on friday, well, i'm not going to abide by the subpoena. why are these officials bucking that trend? . >> well, that's an interesting question. they are from the state department. >> and they are current employees, correct? >> they are current employees, that's true. but they are also career people. they may have they have some degree of protection. it seems that the political people like rick perry, obviously is a political appointee. he is confirmed to his position. there may be a sense that they

are more directly presidential advisers. sondland is a political appointee. he got his job by donating a lot of money to the trump campaign or on the political party. it's hard to see the distinction. one thing to look forward to later in the week, a couple of nsc national security officials to be interviewed this week as well. nsc is the white house, it's part of the white house, right there in the west wing and the eisenhower executive office building. so i'll be looking to see do those people also take that same approach and go in and give their testimony despite basically a direct marching order not to do that. that would be an amazing rebuke. . >> i just want to make sure you said what you said. members of the nsc, national security council, are going to the hill this week to testify in the impeachment inquiry? >> well, they're on the list. >> they're on the list, okay. >> with the trump

administration, i wouldn't say anything will happen until it actually does happen. >> right. >> they will have to make a decision to abide by the subpoenas or abide by the letter. folks seem to have forgotten this very confrontational letter that white house counsel sent two weeks ago saying there would be no cooperation and promising a stonewall. and the stonewall has proved to be fairly porous at this point. . >> let me bring in the attorney here, a. scott bolden. you wanted to step in a second ago. >> i did, josh. it seems to me the officials and the diplomats are being put in position to either make a political or legal decision as to whether to show up. and obviously their lawyers are certainly going to tell them to show up. because ignoring the subpoena is going to be a problem for them. do you think there is a problem, those that show up and those who don't? >> they are definitely struggling with it. i'm sure many of them have

personal counsel advising them. normally in a situation like this folks are just advised -- i mean, nsc people would be advised by white house counsel's office, the head of that office is the one who said there would be no cooperation. so you might get weird legal advice from that person and therefore i would think any of these folks would be well advised to get their own private attorney to advise them on what to do here. >> the lawyers would be giving them political advice not legal advice from the white house. >> potentially. that would be my concern if i was in their position. and i would want sort of an independent call. the other question will be will any of these people face any kind of sanction for having gone against what the president or his counsel said to do here. i guess they are rolling the dice and saying at the end of the day they don't think they really well, that there is no bite behind the president's letters that he sends to capitol hill. >> francesca, real quickly.

>> correct me if i'm wrong but he seems to be in a different category than sondland. bill taylor is a career diplomat who served previously as ambassador to ukraine. not someone who is going to go in and toe the line for donald trump. >> he is the one that sounds most suspicious and most concerned about what he views as a political deal here. i think these people are long-term career folks who, you know, are probably towards the end of their career already. and i just would really be surprised if they take any marching orders from the white house. but that is still an extraordinary event to have them publicly defying the president of the united states by showing up on capitol hill to testify regardless of what they say. >> josh gerstein, you have given us a lot to think about the coming week. >> thank you. take care. >> overnight, the president's major rationale for withdrawing

troops from the ground isn't happening any time soon. . >> american combat troops should not be at the center of ancient sectarian conflicts all over the world. bring our soldiers back home. bring our soldiers back home. ine

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the kurds are much safer right now. but the kurds know how to fight. and as i said, they're not angels. they're not angels. take a look. you have to go back and take a look. but they fought with us. we paid a lot of money for them to fight with us. >> this is "up". i'm jonathan capehart in for david gura. despite his rosy assessment on the fate of the kurds, nbc news reports that the cease-fire in northern syria is not holding up. a top kurdish commander telling richard engel, turkey is using it as an opportunity to take over territory in and around the border. he also alleges that turkey does not want kurdish fighters to withdraw but to kill them. this comes as u.s. defense secretary mark esper announced last night a redistribution of u.s. troops formally assigned to syria.

>> the current game plan is for those forces to reposition into western iraq. >> [inaudible question]. >> the ones coming out, right, that original 1,000. and then to -- two missions. one to help defend iraq, two is to perform a counter isis mission as we sort through the next steps. >> my panel is back with me and we are ginned by ambassador christopher hill. thank you very much for being here. >> pleasure. . >> ambassador, can i get you to respond so the defense secretary's announcement about what's happening with american troops in the region. >> well, first of all, i think it comes against the back drop of the fact simply this so-called cease-fire is simply a period during which the kurds are allowed to run away from the border region or else.

and the problem is as the kurdish forces have to run away from this turkish onslaught, so do the civilians. then the next step in all of this will be an effort by turkey to bring in an arab population and create a sort of buffer zone so that these kurds are moved further south and away from the kurds in turkey. i think it's very important to understand that basic issue. i think what we are seeing with the withdraw of u.s. forces and putting them in western iraq represents i think the fact that isis will be reconstituted in a way that they wouldn't have been otherwise. and i think the department of defense and certainly i think our military leaders feel very strongly about this. they tonight want to leave and then have to come back in more difficult circumstances. so i think it's important that they are trying to kind of hold the line there. what is ultimaterly striking, though, in the last few days, the number of senior generals

who have spoken out clearly against this president's move because they understand this president has simply no idea what he agreed to with president erdogan nor any idea what the cease-fire really is. >> ambassador hill, if you were in the administration and had just found out about that phone call between president trump and president erdogan of turkey, what would you have done or could you have done to put the brakes on what we're seeing right now? >> well, it's very tough. i mean, the damage is done once you have that phone call. it was essentially a green light. i think lindsey graham shifted to yellow light. i'm not sure i know what he's talking about, but neither does he. the problem is when you have a cease-fire you have to ask the question why are you having a cease-fire? normally it's, okay, we have a political process we need to get going with and we want people to stop shooting at each other to

have a political process. but there is no political process. the cease-fire is a cease-fire so people can run. that is something the u.s. should not be party to. . >> why shouldn't we think that's what's happening in northern syria is ethnic cleansing? >> well, that's exactly what's going to happen. because the kurdish forces are there, yes, to prosecute the war against isis but also to protect the kurdish civilians in the region. so when they leave, the civilians are going to leave. and that means they will just gather up their things. i spent a lot of time in the balka balkans. i have seen this movie before. they will gather up their things and leave in caravans. and they already are doing that. the turks are bringing in an arab population to try to create a buffer zone. by the way, these kinds of things were done. they were done by saddam and

they were done throughout history. yes, it looks a little bit like ethnic cleansing. after all, the question of who owns the land, the homes that these arab will move into it. the u.s. doesn't understand the overall issues and doesn't have an overall strategy to deal with it. that is the biggest problem with this -- the trump administration's approach with it. to have our vice president go out and talk to erdogan and thank the american people for praying for them is rather -- just disingenuous to put it mildly. >> a story the u.s. times is reporting about house speaker pelosi leading a bipartisan delegation to the region to meet with the jordanian king as this american-brokered truce, pause or cease-fire in northern syria is continuing to sputter along. will that trip have any kind of

impact on our >> i think the damage has been done. but i understand the need for a trip. congress voted overwhelmingly against the president aepspresi and i will put that in quotes. the speaker needs to get out there. jordanians are great friends, an ally. they know what's going on, how influential they are with turkey, for example. that's quite another matter. you i think it is good to reassure people that we all haven't gone crazy. >> ambassador christopher hill, thank you for being on "up". . >> thank you is the president's gop wall beginning to crack? they are giving the white house reason to worry when it comes to impeachment and syria when we come back. we come back. hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise.

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this is "up". i'm jonathan capehart. when it comes to the question of impeachment, president trump continues to have the backing of most republicans in defending his actions against democratic scrutiny. . >> house democrats are finally indulging in their 3-year-old impeachment, full steam ahead. >> he released the entire transcript and the supposed phone call that supposedly had all of this quid pro quo which once again proved not to be true. >> you don't think the american people have the right to know who started this process to try to remove the president of the united states 13 months before an election? you don't think the american people have the right to know that? >> to initiate an inquiry, the whole house must vote to initiate that and must extend all the due process protections to the president. >> but republicans are singing a different tune when it comes to trump's decision to withdraw u.s. troops in northern syria.

>> it's not so much listening to me. it's not listening to commanders. he's not listening to his advisers. he is not. he's making the biggest mistakes of his presidency by assuming the kurds are better off today than yesterday. >> it has led to the turks going in to syria and wiping out our friends, the kurds. . >> we didn't have to be in this situation where we are chaotically trying to move minute to minute to solve this problem, which we shouldn't have had to do >> my panel is back with me. lindsey graham, senator graham of south carolina to me exemplifies the tension within the republican party of defending the president when it comes to impeachment. but scoexcoriating him when it comes to syria. try to help me understand how

people like senator graham can be, shall we say, bilingual? >> lindsey graham is an unrepentant hawk. he felt by cozying up to trump and giving him leeway and rhetorically backing him up that he would be an influential foreign policy adviser. a lass, no one is an influential foreign policy adviser for donald trump. donald trump is impulsive. he is transactional. and as we can see, he responded on a whim on a sunday night phone call and unleashed chaos in the middle east. so that is what lindsey graham, the calculus, and he just isn't getting the payoff. >> mostly agree with the characterization of why lindsey graham wants to be close to president trump. i will say i do think that president trump did end up listening to lindsey graham more

than perhaps we're realizing. >> when? >> first he was like i'm right, this is a perfect decision. then had to come back, put the sanctions on turkey in response to this. there's obviously still more he could do. he could cancel erdogan's visit to washington, d.c. however, originally he said this is a perfect decision and it's just fine. comes back, puts -- >> hadn't the damage been done already? when it comes around, hasn't the damage been done? he listens to lindsay after the fact. the damage in the middle east and -- >> no, he did listen to him after the fact. to connect this to what we were talking about at the beginning of the show, what's going on here, he made several decisions recently where for the first time in quite a while senior republicans like lindsey graham are saying this is too much. the doral thing was too much. turkey/syria thing was too much. you have mitch mcconnell coming

out against the president on that issue. and the president is now saying, okay, i'm making a reversal on several things pause the gop is not with me. . >> go ahead. . >> in the real issue is you can only politicize the issues on syria, doral and the other issues that the republicans are pushing back on. you can only politicize them so much. the impeachment and the domestic policy pieces, the racism and the bigotry, you can put them in a political context. that doesn't say they like or agree with them. they are just putting it in political context to make it a political fight. when you get to human decency, what's right or wrong, does this president represent our american values, that's not safe ground for the republicans because republicans know how difficult and the idiocy this president brings. if they can get to the human

decency bucket, then trump is in trouble. >> i also want to note that he had lindsey graham on the call with erdogan, which is pretty unusual. >> wow. >> for a senator -- >> he was on that sunday night call? >> not the original phone call. >> oh. >> he is starting to listen to him after the fact. no, he wasn't on the original phone call. the second phone call that they had, he put lindsey graham on the phone with him. and lindsey graham said that. and the white house said that as well. back-ing ext back-tracking saying maybe i should have had him on the first call. >> i think donald trump has gone the majority, the brunt. and i understand why because he was the key decision maker here. but congress should have authorized what we're doing in syria. we should have had public debate on this a long time ago. we should have had a pentagon that listened to donald trump, his hesitancy to wanting to

withdraw from syria. this is not a passing whim. he has wanted to do this for years. they should have had plans ready that it could be deconflicted. instead, they tried to argue with him and continue to the national security apparatus pushes forward and tries to not bend to donald trump's will. then you have a disastrous situation like this happen because no one anticipated his impulsivity. >> you're right. you he decimated his national security team. mattis isn't there any more. kelly isn't there any more. they were experts that he respected the generals and they were stopping him from doing some of these things he is doing now. they're gone. and now you get this. >> he respected them until he didn't. >> until he couldn't. >> until he didn't, until he cooperate, until it stopped. anyway. the genesis of the trump russia investigation.

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both the genesis and the conduct of intelligence activities directed at the trump campaign. i guess you could -- i think spying did occur. yes, i think spying did occur. the question is whether it was predicated, adequately predicated. and i'm not suggesting it wasn't adequately predicated, but i need to explore that. >> welcome to "up". i'm jonathan capehart in for david gura. the investigation into the or since of the russia probe is growing. according to new reporting from nbc news. he indicated he wants to interview current and former officials, including former cia director john brennan and former director of intelligence james clapper, who officials who have been frequented targeted by the president. joining us now with our panel is nbc news national security and

intelligence correspondent ken delaney. ken, thank you for being on this morning. what's the attorney general doing here? >> good morning, jonathan. well, that's a great question. that's the question we decided to ask again after mick mulvaney cited this investigation in his comments as a justification for why donald trump was pressuring the ukrainians to cooperate with it. what is john durham, the u.s. attorney in connecticut who is conducting this investigation, what is he up to? it turns out, as you suggested, he is asking some of the cia analysts who undertook this intelligence estimate that russia attacked the election in 2016, he's asking to interview them. and they have hired private lawyers that the cia pays for. he's asking then director john brennan and james clapper. and he has been interviewing fbi personnel and hunting for questions of bias. we know he has expanded his

staff. he added people. and he expanded the time frame to include the time after donald trump took office. the big question, jonathan, that all of my sources are racing, what is the predicate for this. what wrongdoing prompted this? no one has explained that. they're not even saying whether this is a criminal investigation. but as we know, william barr and john durham have gone overseas and interviewed foreign governments. a western intelligence official told me the kind of questions they're asking mirrors the right wing conspiracy theories we have all heard about, many have been fueled by george papadopoulos who claims he was targeted by the deep state. where is all of this going? we have no idea. it appears john durham wants to talk to more and more people. . >> the attorney general was just over in italy a couple of weeks ago apparently talking to officials about this. again, why shouldn't this or why isn't this considered political

intimidation? when to your reporting, they're looking into both clapper and brennan, two vocal opponents -- or critics of president trump? >> many people i talked to do consider this political intimidation. but john durham has a sterling reputation. he was a man hired by eric holder to investigate the cia. and the question whether anyone should be prosecuted over torture. he did a long and thorough investigation and concluded he couldn't file charges. almost everyone i talked to still has hope that john durham, at the end of the day, will do the right thing if he finds no cause for wrongdoing and we'll all learn about that. in terms of justice department going to the cia and asking them how they came up with the intelligence estimate, they don't have the expertise to do that. a lot of questions are raised about why this is occurring and whether it's political or just giving republicans an excuse to say these conspiracy theories are under investigation.

. >> ken, one more question. if the attorney durham has such a sterling reputation, do the people you're talking to, are they surprised that he is undertaking this investigation and actually ex panteding it and hiring more personnel? are they surprised that he's doing the president's bidding here, doing the attorney general's bidding here? >> they are quite puzzled. a lot of people thought william barr was a traditional republican who believed in institutions. a lot of people rethought that the last year. and the same kind of questions are being raised about durham. so many people i have talked to have a lot of goodwill about durham and his reputation, his behavior that they are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt but perhaps not for much longer. >> in listening to ken talk about his latest reporting and what the attorney general is doing, i go back to something bill barr did before he became attorney general, and that's the

letter he wrote unsolicited to president trump i think it was about the mueller probe. how many -- a. scott, you were telling me -- how many pages was it? >> the number 22 sticks out of my mind. it was a substantial letter brief as we would call it. it was gratuitous. someone called it a trial run. >> an audition. >> but trump has his robert kennedy. he said where is my robert kennedy about a year or so ago? >> robert cohen. not robert kennedy. come on now. >> what's amazing about this, quote, investigation, is that bill barr or robert barr, the attorney general, is personally working with this u.s. attorney in north carolina, traveling to italy to do it personally. secondly, what are they going to find? if i say i don't like donald trump and i'm glad he's being investigated or i'm having an affair with somebody and

tweeting how much i don't want donald trump, does that make it a deep state issue? who are you going to prosecute if you find that? oh, one other question, ladies and gentlemen. why isn't the inspector general for doj, the inspector general for cia, the inspector general for department of state doing this investigation? >> yeah. >> because if i investigated and i find they are just deep state antagonism to donald trump and his regime, why isn't that within the purview of the inspector general. >> the inspector general took it up, there wouldn't be a conspiracy theory and you get to go on a junket to italy. he isn't exactly the dumbest player. at least he is going to go research abroad. >> in rome. far be it from me to deny someone a trip to italy. ken delaney, thank you very, very much. a. scott bolden, elise, and fran

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good morning and welcome back to "up". i'm jonathan capehart in for david gura. this could be another blockbuster week in the house impeachment inquiry with critical diplomats set to testify. up first, ambassador to ukraine bill taylor on tuesday. he is one of several who pushed back by efforts of rudy giuliani and president trump to dig up dirt on joe biden. mick mulvaney is appearing on fox news to do damage control that there was no quid pro quo. >> what is mulvaney even talking about? i just think he's dumb. i really do. i don't even think he knows what he's talking about. that's my take on it. >> some observers are now wondering if mulvaney will be the next to be pushed out after

that disastrous press briefing. but the atlantic points out the risks involved, quote, should trump fire him and leave him a the lone republican in the house who said he was open to impeaching president trump says he's retiring. in an interview with fox, francis rooney openly criticized trump's tactics. >> come to find out there was a clear quid pro quo by his chief of staff. we hear about rudy giuliani, rick perry creating some rump nondiplomatic channel. i just don't believe in that kind of stuff. we raise our kids and tell our employees you have to do the right thing at all times. >> joining us this hour, matt welsh, editor at large and l.a. times contributocontributor.

and philippe reinus, co-host of unredacted. and joining us from d.c., "washington post" colleague eugene scott. moments ago on fox news, white house acting chief of staff -- oh. i actually am a little ahead. sorry about that. >> it's my face. >> it's not you, it's me. you are there in the d.c. bureau. bring us up to speed if you can on the impact of mick mulvaney and that press conference and his standing in washington overall at the white house in general. >> that press conference was a defining moment for mulvaney in terms of his leading the president's staff. we have reporting that supports that while president trump encouraged him to go out there and do the briefing, a briefing that has not happened in perhaps

months, the president was very disappointed with how mulvaney handled things ultimately, especially since he polledly and clearly went off message. and there is some concern among some supporters of the president and mulvaney that he could be leaving soon at some point because he's on thin ice and the president cannot afford to have these types of things said and done as he is having his destiny professionally and political ly investigated and questioned. >> i guess this out there in the first place and say what he said. was he freelancing or doing verbal dictation of what he was told by the president of the united states to say? >> he was certainly

communicating talking points initially and trying to get the president's messages and ideas there so they could control the narrative. so headlines would be favorable to the president at the very least in conservative media. what mulvaney displayed is he doesn't have a lot of experience in this briefing room working with reporters who are going to ask very specific questions and multiple questions that go beyond the talking points. and he was not prepared to pivot the story in a way that made the president look favorable. and so perhaps in frustration he was just very direct and truthful and honest in a way that made the white house look like they have done exactly what democrats believe they have. >> eugene scott, "washington post", thank you very much. from one scandal to another, the president reversing course announcing the g7 will no longer be held at his doral resort.

par for the course, the president is blaming the media and democrats on twitter for the reversal. so is anyone around this table surprised that the president of the united states reversed course on this really sort of weird -- not weird but the decision to hold a g7 summit at his own property? >> the grift was just going to be way too much. i think someone in his inner circle. we know the president can never say he's sorry and can never admit defeat. but i do think there are several republicans saying this may be a bridge too far. you are barely holding onto the coalition based on miscellaneous policies in syria, your ridiculous letter to the president of turkey. so how can you add something else to give the democrats more and more ammunition as we are

slowly but surely seeing certain republicans saying this may be something that i can't justify to my constituents or to the larger american public. >> what cracks me up about this is think of what's been going on. it is hanging the kurds out to dry. it is a crazy plate ant quid pro quo to the president of ukraine. and then the hotel. and it's the hotel that is the tipping point. the hotel that he hears from house republicans or senate republicans that says, donald, you're going taofr with this one, back off. it's a funny prioritization of what's going on in the country right now >> what we have seen is the limits to the get over it as a concept, right? if you say this, if you can make the 5th avenue defense, i can do whatever i want, that way i can tip the republican conservative trump backing into -- backing whatever they're saying, you can

only go so far before people start to feel embarrassed about themselves. >> back to the impeachment inquiry, once they vote on articles of impeachment on the floor, the senate will hold a trial. this is what it will look like. chief justice of the supreme court john roberts will be the judge with house lawyers serving as prosecutors and white house lawyers serving as defense counsel. all 100 mess of the senate will be in the jury and will have to remain silent. one of the members of that jury would be senator cory booker, who is also running for the presidency. he joins me from columbia, south carolina. senator booker, thank you very much for being here. >> hey. thank you very much for having me again, jonathan. >> senator, can you just give me your reaction. do you think it was a good decision by president trump to announce that he was e not going

to have the g7 be held at his private -- at his golf resort in doral, florida? >> i mean, jonathan, this is the extraordinary time we're in right now. that we are actually having a conversation about whether a president should use his own real estate property to host an event. this is clearly a violation of the values, the morals, not to mention the emoluments clause itself. it is extraordinary that we are even having this conversation. this president is so beyond what is right and just beyond any appearance of propriety. in fact, it is a horrible undermining of what we should believe are our common values for anyone in any way to conduct themselves in office. so i'm so through in terms of even just trying to react to what is insanity.

and i feel like sometimes i wake up in a bizarre-o world and hearing the questions that are being put to me. this president should not profit off the presidency. it's just insane. >> as i mentioned in the intro, as a member of the senate, impeachment articles if they are passed in the house and come over to the senate, you will be one of the jury and just judging by what you said just now and what you have been saying on the campaign trail, it sounds like you are a no vote or a convict vote when it comes to whether the president should be convicted. but my question to you is what is your recourse and what could you do if senate majority leader mitch mcconnell doesn't go for, doesn't do a full trial in the senate but tries to rush this through either in a few hours or just rejects it out of hand? >> well, first of all, jonathan, i have stopped short of saying what my vote will be as a juror

because i respect the process. i respect the constitution. i don't even know what the articles of impeachment are going to be right now. and so i'm not trying to score political points here. i think this is a associated moment of patriotism and not politics. i swore an oath to uphold the constitution. i will due my duty. i will sit in my chair and serve as a juror and bring objectivity to this. the stuff he has been doing has been damning. but we will see what nancy pelosi does. the process has to be done in a way that does not rip this country farther argument. it has to be a consensus about what's happening in the same way that the process did with nixon that eventually began to see republican congress people showing profiles in courage and breaking with their party first ideology. so -- >> do you think, senator, that

your republican colleagues in the senate will have that sort of richard nixon moment where they realize they have to go to the white house and say, mr. president, if you don't straighten up and fly right or don't resign, we are going to impeach you and remove you from office? will that moment ever come? >> well, look, every day, last week, every witness that came to testify it seemed like more and more that was breaking. it paints a very clear picture of this president's conduct and betrayal of his office. so i'm hoping that as more information comes out, that republicans will look at this objectively and see that whatever short-term political interests they have, their loyalty comes first. whether that will happen or not, i don't know. but i put my faith that as more is revealed and the picture becomes clearer, that people

will put country first and not party. that will be willing to do what is right. to risk their position for a larger purpose we all should have, which is doing what's right and just. so i don't know what's going to happen. but, again, i'm praying for our country right now. because remember the language this president is using. we have a 200 plus year tradition of a peaceful transfer of power. when presidents have moved on, it had peaceful transfers of power between parties. this president now is using the most incendiary language trying to in cite people by using language like a coup, like treas treason. what this person is doing is trashing our ideals, our values, and our norms. and i know from private conversations with republican colleagues, since the day he swore his oath, i know how this offends so many people in

congress that are republicans. >> i have to ask you the two things. syria. the president blew up, for lack of a better metaphor, our policy between turkey and the kurds. and this so-called cease-fire is not holding up very well according to nbc news's reporting. now we have word that the defense secretary has announced that those troops who were in syria are being moved over instead of coming home, are being moved over to iraq. can i get your reaction to that and to those developments? >> well, again, this is a president that is consistently lying to the american people. he's not doing a withdrawal of troops in the middle east. he's pushing us further into engagements with the saudis, which we already know american jets, american planes, refueling saudi bombers to drop american

bombs on yemen. which has caused -- led to a lot of the cholera outbreak, deaths of tens of thousands of children. this is a saudi regime that has been involved in everything from the murder of a journalist in khashoggi to ill-advised and horrific, frankly, engagements in in yemen. now we are moving our troops there. again, this is a disastrous situation that this president has done. it was all triggered by a conversation with erdogan, who was slipping toward a totalitarian -- away from western democracy tipping to a dictatorship rule that has now led to horrific results from the deaths of our allies, the kurds, pushing them into alliance with the assad regime, giving iran and russia more influence over the region, putting the israelis in more of a crisis.

there is so much now that is spiraling out of control in that region all a result of the disastrous decisions that this president has made condemned by both sides of the aisle. >> real quickly, if you become president of the united states, given everything that you just said about what's happening in that region, can you fix it? as president, can you fix it? . >> i have to say that this is going to have repercussions that are going on for years now. having a sound mind and commitment to our values, i know what i will bring to that office, not only restoring dignity at home but rejoining with our allies in a concerted effort to create peace not just in that region but to deal with so many other growing, looming challenges. the re-election of donald trump

means dealing with global climate change have been dramatically reduced. re-election of donald trump means we are going to continue to see america more isolated from other nations and we will see more influence by nations like russia who are causing trouble not just in the middle east but undermining western democracy from lithuania to the european union. so i am looking forward to being commander in chief to begin to bring a sound policy, a stronger alliance and make sure that we are leading with our values in a world that desperately needs more american leadership, not trump leadership but the kind of american leadership that we are -- that the rest of the country, as i talk to world leaders are yearning to see again from this nation. >> i'll let you get back to the campaign trail. before i do, i have to ask you this. there is a lot of talk out there as to whether one of your democratic primary opponents

congresswoman tulsi gabbard is a russian asset. that is something that former secretary of state hillary clinton said during a recent interview. what say you? do you think tulsi gabbard is a russian asset? . >> i mean, again, these questions are bordering on the absurd. we have to get focused on a democratic primary field what is important. not tearing each other down. these allegations are not constructive in any way. we've got to get back to the work of beating donald trump. i'm running for president because i believe i am the best situated to unite the entire democratic party so we can bring a fight to donald trump that will ultimately not just defeat him but give us the larger american gentleman skwrorts to take our nation to a point where we can actually deal with the big problems from climate qaa climate change to health care. they do not in any way help us with what our mission is now, to

take on our most dangerous president we have had in generations out of office and return to -- >> i'm sorry to interrupt. are you making the debate stage? >> i'm already qualified. i'm excited about the fact that from carter, clinton, barack obama, all who were pulling behind or where i am right now, we are building an incredible team in iowa and new hampshire now. we lead all other campaigns and endorsements of local officials, players, state legislators. i'm hoping if we continue to raise money at corybooker.com. we need help. so i hope your viewers if they want me to stay in this race and want me to show strength they will go to coreybooker.com. >> you still need to come on my

podcast. i will find you. we can just go walk the streets of new york and have a nice conversation. >> i always thought you were afraid of me. i have known you for years. you just never know where that conversation might go. >> senator cory booker, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> much more on the impeachment inquiry making its way through the house when karen bass joins later in the program. but first, if joe biden falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound in the trump news cycle? why he is having a tough time cutting through the trump noise next. ing through the trump nois next announcer: time magazine reports: "the new american

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my job, our job is to make sure, above all else, we beat donald trump. >> he is using abuse of power and every element of the presidency to try to do something to smear me. trump is doing this because he knows i will beat him like a drum. >> giuliani, the president and his thugs have already proven they are flat-lying. >> it's no joke. he is shooting holes in the constitution. >> this guy, like all bullies, is a coward. he does not want to run against me. >> welcome back to "up". i'm jonathan capehart in for david gura. former vice president joe biden is fighting back as his campaign tries to focus from the ukraine to the president's behavior.

concerns about the ukraine allegations may be helping to drag biden down in the polls. let's bring back our panel. my thinking about the biden campaign and the biden strategy -- the campaign in general is the vice president, vice president biden is never more focused on the campaign trail than when he is talking about donald trump and taking the fight to donald trump. is that going to be enough? now that the harping on his son is maybe taking a toll on him. i don't know. >> to credit the vice president before he jumped in the race, most candidates would say i'm focused on donald trump. they did the whole let's let him be a crazy man while we're talking kitchen table issues. he went right in.

he changed the field. the field right after that started seeing biden at 30% and holding pretty steady. they started mimicking it. whether that's enough to in the. he is in the 20th percentile. i'd rather be in his position in money and polls than bernie's. >> vice president biden, the last story i saw has 8 million dollars on him. >> listen, he's in trouble. this is the third time will not be the charm for joe biden. the money is showing it.

as i have said time and time again, it will be much easier for younger black voters to convince parents and grandparents to move away from joe biden to another candidate than it will be for their parents and grandparents to convince them to stick with joe biden. he's not going to do as well as in new hampshire as they think he is. south carolina might be a surprise. with women, time and time again, in the debates, the campaign trail, you cannot start sentences with, most of the women here probably don't know what this is. you can't do this. this is 2019. his ideology when it comes to women is old, off, and tired. he is riding this barack obama wave similarly to the way hillary clinton did in 2008. you can't have it both ways. when it is something that's great that barack obama did. >> you mean in 2016? when hillary clinton ran when she said, oh, well, against barack obama. >> oh, okay. >> if there was anything in the clinton administration, it was us if it was something that

people didn't like, then she would say that's my husband. i wasn't in charge. bide senn trying to do the same with obama. when it's biden/obama administration, it's great. we did this. or it's just the vice president. he can't do it. . >> i think you're ambivalent. >> i don't think it's his time. >> mayor pete buttigieg had a great point in the debate which is when he said to biden, we can't just after this trump thing, after the populism thing, after what we have gone through as a trauma as a country, even in the west if you want to put it like that,s you can't just go back to sort of a restoration. it is not enough to go back to the establishment. i think that's kind of a resonant point. that is the selling proposition of joe biden. maybe the nightmare goes away. we know him. it's not the third time. it's the seventh time he has fought thought at least for

running for president. he has been running for president since i was wearing short pants. and i don't even know what that means. that's how long he has been running for president. you can't just reset the clock here in the way. and that i think speaks to a weakness ultimately of the support. because he's the avatar of that. and certainly there's a feeling that you would want to be able to reset the clock and go back to something but you can't back back to barack obama. >> hold on, though. an important point, there are so many kwerpbs, especially white americans actually who do want us to go back to the old days. they don't want a full change. they don't want to tear down the model and rebuild again. they just want to go back to when we can have brunch and not really think about this. joe biden gives him that option. they don't want bernie sanders or elizabeth warren saying not only is the course of the ship in the wrong direction, we need to dismantle, rebuild it and set sail. joe biden does resonate with some people who say there isn't

a fundamental problem with american democracy. we need to go back to the good old obama days and ignore the real cracks in our foundation. >> real fast. >> there i was going to end with a fun fact, they have never elected someone for president who tried to be president before. >> you kept mentions several times. i'm sure it will find out soon if it's not. obama, clinton, carter, kennedy, fdr. >> no retreads? . >> no. first time. >> wow. >> wasn't that a fun fact? . >> it was a fun act. it stunned me into silence. >> rudy giuliani is leaving his remark but not necessarily the way he would like. how democrats are zeroing in on the president's personal lawyer after a week of damning testimony in the house and why it still could get worse from here. orse from here how are we doing? fabulous. ♪

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welcome back to "up". i'm jonathan capehart in for david gura. a new nbc news report places rudy giuliani back in the middle of the ukraine scandal after asking both the white house and the state department to grant a visa to the former ukrainian prosecutor. let's bring back the panel here. that former ukrainian prosecutor is viktor shokin. what in the entire h-e double hockey sticks is going on with rudy giuliani and this ukrainian

push? i'm dumbfounded here. >> it's not that hard. he's not a good actor. he is covering outside the lines. the president of the united states gave him a brief, told him to pursue this. >> that's true. >> he is doing that. for instance, it will be very hard to get -- if the three of us went overseas and started digging up dirt or trying to make policy, we would be opening ourselves up to various crimes that rudy hasn't committed. yes, all of us moneyst stuff is horrible. i'm in in way defending rudy. but he is operating under the direct authority of the president of the united states. it is going to give him some degree of cover that i think he is going to invoke and probably successfully.

>> here's the thing. he was in charge of the southern district of new york. he can't pretend he doesn't know what the laws are. there's so many instances where we have him on record several years ago where if the situation were in reverse, he said he would prosecute or he knows what right and wrong are. the problem with this is anyone who was around him gets dirty. they go down. and the president seems to, at least for now, be the last man standing. rudy giuliani definitely crossed the line on several instances in dealing with donald trump because he didn't want to say no to the president or he thought it was the right thing to do. or he was enriching himself and his friends. we will fiend out sooner or later. the problem is he can't use the defense he didn't know better. >> he knows the word in the back of his head p.a.r.d.o.n. >> it is an example that christine is talking about. if you work for the president, you could come from whatever

kind of philosophy, whatever integrity or not there. but at some point you will be put into position to apologize for the in defensible or at least apologize for things that are the literal opposite you made your career on again. mike pence, to throw out one dumb example, he talked about the importance of free trade and nafta. parade him in front of trumpism. he talks about how trade deals with terrible. mick mulvaney has so many different aspects to his personal. he said debt is immoral. now he says we need to have new debts and deficits because to pass tax reform. he is disgracing himself in the process. rudy giuliani, i don't know if there is much self left to disgrace now the way he had his career the last four or five

years. but everyone gets sullied in this process. ultimately that will become a difficulty for donald trump. >> it is also important to remember sdny works for bill barr. he works for donald trump. let's not pretend this is some entity who will decide to do whatever they want to do with rudy giuliani. it will be an ability to tinker with what we have seen from bill barr. >> sure. but if there is a district where you can feel reasonably can fd that they might exercise independence, it is the southern district of new york. for those of you who might have missed it, on friday rachel had another angle on rudy giuliani. the guest he brought with him to the funeral of president george h.w. bush none other than lev parnas, the guy who is now in jail, picked up at dulles with the other guy. next the 2020 fight that is

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cost support options. i mean, again, these questions are blurring on the absurd. we have got to get back focussed on as a democratic primary field, what is important. not tearing each other down. not making these kind of allegations are not constructive in any way. we've got to get back to the work of beating donald trump. i'm running for president because i believe that i'm the

best situated to unite the entire democratic party so that we can bring a fight to donald trump. >> welcome back to "up". i'm jonathan capehart in for david gura. moments ago, cory booker weighed in on the controversy surrounding comments by hillary clinton suggesting russia was backing congresswoman tulsi gabbard and grooming her for the 2020 election. in a tweet, president trump likened himself to both gabbard and jill stein. saying as you may have heard i was called a big russia lover. also i do like russian people. i like all people! he went on call clinton crazy. my panel is back. so, philippe. >> yeah. >> as it is well-known to viewers of this show and this network you used to work with secretary clinton.

why is she living rent free in president trump's head? >> because he knows he shouldn't be in the office. he knows that he got to the office because of funny business from various people, including the russians. of course he likes jill stein and tulsi gabbard. they are soul mates to his. and he knows he's not doing a good job. look, the guy is not hard to figure out. she is living rent free in his head. and what she has said is it is pretty scary because it's empty and dark. what she was saying about miss gabbard this week was important. she's not just saying something negative about tulsi. she said what happened in 2016 is going to happen again in 2020. >> why is she saying this thing? she said it in a podcast interview. it's not like this was unearthed from some secret pile. . >> in the 10 things i hear her

say during the course of the week, this might be the least crazy with a c. but she is not president. she can call balls and strikes as she sees it. she is very concerned about these two things. tulsi gar barred is 1%. the other 99 % typically say what is with her? why won't she criticize assad? she called hillary more bad news in a tweet yesterday than she did assad >> yeah. we have that. can we put the tulsi tweets up. great. thank you@hillary clinton. you the queen of warmongers personification of the rot that sickened the democratic party for so long on and on and on. >> if it's implied that you are a russian asset if you're a military veteran and member of congress, you might get a little touchy about this. what hillary clinton did was shameful. don't do that. don't call a member of congress, any party -- >> let's be clear. she didn't name names.

she said a candidate who is running i think is a russian asset. >> okay. . >> so hard to figure out when we put a picture up there. >> the problem is hillary clinton is dipping heurtaux into the 2020 election which makes a lot of democrats bristle just because we know her mere presence brings out such vitt jol from democrats and republicans alike. i think if someone else implied this on a podcast it may have been interpreted differently. i think she is dangerous because of her lack of assad statements and so many things she has said or not said as a candidate. i think for hillary clinton to come out and say this at this point in time even though she did not mentioned name muddies the waters. if we're trying to focus forward, let's actually deal with substantive policy that

will actually bring out maybe black and latino and native voters who will be inspired by the political process so we don't have a repeat of 2016 and we don't have donald trump re-elected. i think that's the senator booker message. and i think that's the message of a lot of the candidates. >> the democratic party of the american people, they don't have to listen to her. she's not going anywhere she was the 2016 nominee for president. she got more votes in the united states than anyone than barack obama. hillary clinton isn't going anywhere. she's going to say what she thinks. people don't have to like it. people will really like it. she got 65 million votes. i'm assuming people still want to hear from her. and she's going to keep doing it. >> i'm not saying by any stretch of the imagination go away, hillary clinton, we don't want to hear from you. in a 2020 election, i agree with senator booker. we have to stay focused on

policy issues. and there are other people who can criticize tulsi. and i don't think she necessarily -- >> we don't want the election stalled again. >> bottom line point. >> true point. we're going to have much more on this and much more on the impeachment inquiry making its way through the house and the week of explosive testimony that could change the game in washington. when foreign affairs and judiciary committee member and chair of the congressional black caucus karen bass, congresswoman karen bass joins us next. he's a frequent guest on this show and of course he used to host this show. now you can get more steve kornacki in his article ii inside impeachment podcast every monday, wednesday, and friday wherever you get your podcasts. [ tires screech ] mom, you've got to get yourself a new car. the car's fine. [ car horn honks ] i wish i could save faster.

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you were asked specifically by jonathan carl was investigating democrats one of the conditions for holding up the aid? was that part of the quid pro quo, and you said it happens all the time. . >> yeah. but go back and watch what i said before. i don't know if you can cue it up. there was a long answer about corruption. >> you totally said that. >> and i said the exact same thing i said now, he mentioned in passing, yes.

the reason we held back the aid, i can prove it to you. the aid flowed. they were doing better with it. we got that information from our folks from the conversation where mr. zelensky. once we were able to establish, we had the office of management and do budget. it turns out they don't give hardly any aid but they give a considerable a lot of money. once the two things were cleared, the money flowed. . >> welcome back to "up". on fox news moments ago after admitting there was a quid pro quo. joining me to discuss this, karen bass, a democratic member of the house foreign affairs committee, house judiciary and chairwoman of the national caucus. >> just listening to the sound from mick mulvaney on fox news,

he said they held back the aid until these two conditions were met. but am i wrong in my understanding that just holding back that aid is illegal? especially since that money was authorized by congress? >> >> absolutely. no, that's absolutely right. you're not wrong. he just cannot defend this. but you know that this administration tries to normalize their bebad behavior. if they say it out in public, then it's okay. that's what he was trying to do and i do not believe he's going to be able to contain this dmg. >> given your general reaction to hearing mick mulvaney say in that extraordinary press conference that, yeah, in response to jonathan karl, yeah, there is quid pro quo and, quote, get over it. >> get over it. it was actually a really sad statement. it is clear that their arrogance. they believe that they can say or do anything. but you know, jonathan, because

i am on foreign affairs, i do travel internationally a lot. when you go overseas and meet with the staff at our embassies, they are just all so demoralized because of the beating that they have taken from this president. but also the way that they have just lowered the standard so much. now on the international stage, we just look ridiculous. like that letter that trump sent to erdogan that it looked like it came from a child in fourth or fifth grade. >> congresswoman, one more question before i throw it out to the panel. you are a member of the democratic leadership. there is some concern out there about the closed door hearings that are happening as part of the impeachment inquiry. and it leaves some to think -- it leaves the american people out of the process. why are these hearings not being publicly televised? >> they're closed door for now but we hope that, one, in the future, the transcripts will become available but also that

some of these hearings will take place in the public. it's just really important that we bring as many people who are involved in this latest debacle in and that they have the opportunity to speak behind closed doors. it also helps assure somewhat that they are not tracking their testimony. in other words, if it's done in public, then they can sit there and study the testimony and come in and feed off of that. so we do hope that this time period will be over relatively soon. >> felipe has a question. >> congresswoman, hi. you sit on house foreign affairs. >> yes. >> last night it was reported that speaker pelosi is heading a bipartisan group to jordan to address the turkey/syria crisis. it's a heavy-hitting manifest with chairman engel and schiff. can you tell us a little more about that, that drew so many people out of washington? >> sure. i'm so glad that she is on that

trip. chairman thompson from homeland security is there as well. because of the vacuum with the trump administration, it's absolutely vital that the speaker go around the world to essentially assure people that the administration might be going in one direction, but congress does not support that. and we demonstrated that by the vote we took earlier this week where over 100 republicans even joined in to denounce what is going on now. you know that syria and jordan have a border. you know that one of the things that jordan suffers from tremendously is their good will attitude toward refugees. so they have hundreds of thousands of refugees in their country, and i'm sure one of the things she's over there doing is assuring them of our assistance in case they have additional syrian refugees coming across their border. >> and with that, congresswoman karen bass, thank you very much for being on "up" this morning. >> thank you. thank you to our panel. matt welch, christina grier and

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that's it for me today. thanks for watching. "a.m. joy" starts right now. >> you going to leave some of those bagels for us?

>> no. >> it doesn't sound like this is a free and open process where people through all these resorts and places, including camp david, which is the refuge of american presidents out there, and they all said objectively, it's got to be doral. >> good morning. i'm ayman mohyeldin in for joy reid. breaking news this hour. brump has backtracked and says his resort in doral, florida, will no longer host next year's g7 summit. the president blamed the media and democrats and said that options for another location include camp david. yes, the same reasonable location joy suggested during her show yesterday but that white house chief of staff mick mulvaney on thursday said was a complete disaster. also, house speaker nancy pelosi is leading a bipartisan delegation in jordan on a surprise visit to discuss the crisis in syria amid a shaky u.s.-brokered truce between turkey and kurdish forces. all of this is happening as more officials from the state department are scheduled to testify in congress' impeachment

inquiry over the president's apparent quid pro quo with ukraine, including the current acting ambassador who is expected to testify on tuesday. now here's what mike pompeo said just moments ago about marie yovanovitch who became the first official to defy white house orders not to cooperate with congress. >> she was withdrawn from her post a handful of weeks early. she still works at the state department. she's a foreign service officer in good standing. you know this, george. ambassadors serve at the pleasure of the president. when a president loses confidence in an ambassador, it's not an ambassador or america's best interest for them to stay in that post. >> all right, joining me now is beto o'rourke, democratic candidate for president and former congressman from the great state of texas. mr. o'rourke, great to have you with us. a lot to get to. i wanted to start out by getting your reaction to some of the news of the day we just heard

there about the president reversing his decision to not have the g7 summit in his private resort in doral and move it now to camp david. what is your reaction to that announcement, sir? >> i think this is just another example. the president daring this country to uphold the constitution. you know, and also trying to normalize the kind of corruption that has become endemic throughout his administration. and it met its match at least in the court of public opinion. the pushback so strong. the law breaking so obvious that he had to withdraw. but as you have pointed out before, and i think as we all know, this is only one very small part of a much larger problem of this president's criminality and the need for our institutions, most importantly congress right now, to be able to uphold the constitution, to