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mathews. in manchester, new hampshire. it's the night before the state's legendary primary where some are expected to show up at midnight to cast their ballots. candidates are fanned out making their appeals. bernie sanders extending his lead here and nationally. a new quinnipiac national poll shows sanders going from five points behind joe biden just two weeks ago to an eight-point lead over him. michael bloomberg who is skipping new hampshire has doubled his support in that same time. four years ago sanders defeated hillary clinton here by more than 20 points. the final cnn tracking poll ahead of tomorrow's vote shows sanders leading with 29 percent followed by buttigieg at 22%, biden at 11, senator elizabeth sanders down at 10 and amy klobuchar at 7. but the final boston global track has sanders leading at 27% followed by buttigieg at 19,

klobuchar jumped into third place at 14% after friday's debate followed by biden and warren who are now at 12%. buttigieg and sanders went into overdrive this weekend. >> pete buttiegieg has received -- we're not here to denigrate pete. he's running a good campaign. our views are different. you know, pete has raised campaign contributions from over 40 billionaires. >> as long as we're willing to have some common sense here, we can deliver the biggest change to american health rare in a half century. but what we can do without is a plan so expensive that senator sanders himself freely admits he has no idea how it's supposed to be paid for. >> i spoke with democratic presidential candidate pete buttiegieg late today just ahead of one of his final rallies before the primary. mayor pete, welcome to

"hardball." bernie sanders, senator sanders from neighboring vermont, says you're in the pocket of billionaires because of the donations you've got. your reaction? >> you know, i'm the only candidate on the debate stages who is not a millionaire or billionaire. i got into this race to make sure communities like mine had our voices heard and because i know that there are americans in neighborhoods in big cities, in rural areas and industrial communities like mine where it feels like washington is not paying attention. and this administration is making it worse. donald trump's right here in new hampshire as we speak, and his budget reveals that he doesn't care at all about working people. i'm running to confront and defeat donald trump. and in order to do that, we've got to bring everybody that we can into this fight. this president and his allies are going to do everything they can to pull out all the stops and retain power. not by who to reject and how

broad a majority we can pull together to make sure we not only defeat this president but win big enough we send trumpism into the history books, too. >> it looks like a two-person race going into the primary tomorrow. what's the difference between you and senator sanders? >> well, fundamentally it comes down to this. at a moment when we need to build the biggest majority possible to defeat donald trump in a divided country with where the divider in chief in the oval office, we can't risk divide thing country even further. we had a historic american majority right now ready to deliver big bold meaningful progressive change. for example, getting health care to everybody. they're just not willing to go as far as senator sanders' vision where we would kick everybody off their private plans, too. senator sanders is offering a lot of ideas that i think speak to ideals that we all share, but when you do the math on his proposals, there's a $25 trillion hole. even after his tax increase on

the middle class. $25 trillion, that's bigger than the entire size of the american economy. i think we're going to have a very hard time winning and a very, very hard time governing with that style of all the way over to one side my way or the highway, all or nothing politics. if you paint a picture where you've either got to be for a revolution or you must be for the status quo, that's a picture that leaves most americans out. and my campaign is about pulling americans in. because, again, we have a majority. right now ready to deliver health care, insisting on higher wages, demanding that we raise taxes and make corporations and the wealthy pay their fair share, but expecting that that won't come down on working and middle class americans. there is a powerful american majority that wants to see common sense gun law action on climate change right now. we've got to hold that majority together, galvanize it and not polar eyes it. that's what my campaign is about. that's why my campaign is the best positioned to defeat donald trump in november. >> on that point on friday night

during the debate, the moderator asked if any of you other candidates thought to be a problem having someone who called himself a socialist. amy klobuchar interviewed her on saturday, she said she was surprised she was the only one that spoke up. do you want to speak up now on that question? >> no, look, i'm concerned about it, but i'm not that focused on labels. i'm focused on the message, i'm focused on the approach and i think we can do better than a my way or the highway politics at a moment when we not only have the democratic party enter jet kelley commit today making sure we replace this president, but also we have independents and i'm seeing an awful lot of republicans ready to cross over. that's the key, that's the opportunity right now. and that's my focus, is we build that american majority that will defeat this president and bring us to a better day in the future. >> let's talk about geography. you made a point during the campaign, certainly in tua what where you won the most delegates. you made the point you're a midwesterner from a middle sides

city. here you are in new england. you're about 30 minutes away from here in manchester. bernie sanders is from next door vermont. last time he ran here against hillary clinton, he won 60% of the vote. how can you beat him in his own home base? >> yeah, i'll admit he has an advantage of being from right in this neighborhood. but i also think that the stories that i'm sharing from a community like mine in south bend echos with a lotte of places in new hampshire. from manchester, river city, that went through many of those same challenges of factories and mills closing that we did in my community before our comeback to smaller communities like clairmonts and berlin and franklin that were almost left for dead, but picked themselves back up and didn't get enough help from washington as they did it, wanting to be seen in the future we're building. i'm very proud that our campaign has had a presence across the state. while i'm certainly aware we're competing against if not a home state competitor, definitely a

neighboring state competitor. i also find that our message is resonating across the state. we're seeing it in the enthusiasm and the energy, the folks coming to our events, our rallies and volunteering to share the word with their neighbors and their friends as we go into the primary tomorrow. >> i didn't expect to say this, but it looks like bernie sanders will be pretty much winning among progressives or people in the democratic left, if you will. you're up against biden, you have klobuchar coming on. what distinguishes you from biden and klobuchar to win the moderate vote? >> well, what i'm offering is a perspective that comes from outside of washington. i know my way around washington, but my experience in government leadership and public service has been on the ground and i think we'd be well served at a time like this if we could get washington to run a little more like our best run cities and towns than the other way around. i bring the perspective of having served in the military,

knowing what is at stake in the decision room. one of the decisions sent me overseas to war. i have a different outlook. i admit if you're looking for the most years spent in washington, i'm clearly not going to be your candidate. i think this is a time we need somebody who is ready to bring a different perspective. i'm no stranger to holding office, no stranger to if you believe or military service, but i am ready to make sure we change the ways of washington instead of accept them when there is such division, such dysfunction and such frustration. >> do you get a sense that former vice-president biden is treating you not just as a new kid on the block, but as a young whipper snapper? the way he talks about you, who does he think he is? your response to that? i can tell in his voice, who does this guy think he is challenging my record? look what i've done. >> i'll leave it to others to characterize that. i'm focused on our message and i'm focused on making shuri explain what it's going to take not to just win and defeat donald trump and, of course, the

process of proving that is underway, began in iowa, now comes to new hampshire. you can actually deliver and build a winning campaign. but it's also about governing. look, the next president is going to face issues, some of which were barely thought of just a few years ago. you think about what -- things like tech companies and the gig economy to what it means to be an american worker. look overseas, global health security threats, cyber attacks alongside more traditional issues like terrorism and relations between countries. this is a moment where i think we need to be ready to turn the page. plus that as a general rule is how democrats win. every time we've won the white house in the last half century it's been what a look to the future and somebody opening the door to a new generation. that's what i'm offering. i think that's why our campaign has beat the odds, come to this point and is now working very hard here in new hampshire on the ground to earn every vote going into tomorrow. >> i agree with all that. you're the challenger. let me ask you about this. u.s. congressman from the

central valley of california who seems to think he's got a job as a republican or trump operative, he was spotted going back and forth from the white house delivering their goods back and forth during the hey days of the investigations. he's just been seen yesterday in your hometown of south bend. what would he be doing? that's not a hub airport. what would devin nunes, the ranking republican on the intelligence committee, be hanging around -- what's he up to? you have to have a suspicion. >> i'm not sure. south bend is a lovely place to visit and there's always activities going on around the universities and colleges nearby. but beyond that, i'm not sure what that's about and he hasn't shared anything with me about his travel plans so i guess we'll be in the dark until we get more insight on that. >> we'll get more i'm sure. thank you so much, mayor pete buttigieg, candidate for president up here in snowy new hampshire. it's great to have you on "hardball" tonight, sir. thank you. >> thank you. >> senator bernie sanders who

won the new hampshire primary last time is favored to win it again. his surge in popularity has politico wondering if senator sanders has made the splintered democratic party his own. famed democratic strategist james car ville says he's scared to death of that prospect. here's what he said on morning joe. >> the only thing -- the only thing between the united states and the abyss is the democratic party. that's it. and if we go the way of the british labor party, if we nominate jeremy corbyn, it's going to be the end of days. some people in this country want a revolution, they want disruption. i don't know, they scream at people, they go and bully people. i don't know how you win election, 78 years old standing up screaming in a microphone about the revolution. you have to give people an alternative. >> u.s. congressman of california, coe chair of the bernie sanders campaign. congressman, tell me about your reaction to -- he says a couple

things further. he said bernie sanders is not a democrat, he's an ideologue. your response, sir? >> i'd like to remind jim car ville about his own history. he ran in 1991 in pennsylvania. he ran on single pair health care. he knows it can win on that. second, look at what carville said about obama, the same exact things. obama is rolling the dice. owe bam is unelectable. barack obama was a two-term president. i want know what he has to say about the wafford win. >> he overcame a 40-point deficit to beat the former governor. impressive research, congressman. very impressive work on your part. you're smiling because you know you did your homework. let me ask you about this . do you think ideology is smart to

coin for a revolution? most people center left, center right tend to be the ones to win the primaries and generals is the country in a mood for an ideological revolution? >> i say bernie sanders is an f.d.r. democrat. here's what he's talking about. everyone should have health care, everyone should have education, the things i had growing up. i represent silicon valley. bernie sanders is not talking about nationalizing apple. there's no way i could represent silicon valley and support him. he's talking about giving people a basic shot at the american dream and fulfilling the vision of f.d.r. forward. >> let's talk about people who are seniors because they tend to vote. people over 60 tend to vote. people who are 65 getting medicare, they may be getting social security as early as 62. how are they going to react to medicare for all if they paid into it for 50 years and they're hoping to get it back in their

later years. how do you think they're going to react in florida where we have a huge older population? >> chris, they should be for it. and the facts if they come out, here's what bernie sanders is proposing he's not just proposing medicare for all. he's improving improved medicare for all. if you're a senior, now your hearing aids are going to get covered. you don't have to pay a couple thousand bucks. you're going to have long term care that's covered. dental that's covered, vision that's covered. who are going to pay for it? the rich are going to pay for it and corporations. there's been so many misleading distortions. if they look at what bernie sanders is proposing they'd really like it. >> let's talk about the question of how this ideology is going to sell in a place like arizona. a very difficult state for republicans or democrats to win. it's a split state, bounce back and forth state. kelly, how would bernie sanders' program, agenda, how will that sell to help mark kelly win that

fight out there for the senate in arizona? >> i think what bernie sanders is doing on immigration, in making sure that we are standing with the dreamers, that we're standing with those who are undocumented to a path to citizenship is going to have huge turnout. if you look at the polling of people doing well with the latino community, bernie sanders is winning. he won in iowa. he's winning in california. and that's going to be critical for mark kelly. and here's the other thing, chris. no candidate running on the ticket has to agree 100% with bernie sanders. i don't agree with him 100%. but just like republicans, they ran strong conservatives. people in districts like bucks county were more moderate. they said where they disagreed. mark kelly can do the same. what bernie sanders will do is get the highest turnout. it will be up to the candidate to define their own identity. >> the trouble is the democratic candidate who ran in bucks county lost last time. >> sure.

the democrat has won. patrick murphy won. here's what i believe about mark kelly. he's going to win whoever is on the top of the ticket, whether it's buttigieg or bernie -- >> we can hope so. thank you so much. u.s. congressman here for bernie sanders. coming up, with sanders and buttigieg poling as the top two candidates in new hampshire, can any of the other candidates survive if they don't finish at least third or fourth tomorrow night? and this weekend i had a chance to talk to some of the voters here about who they plan to vote for and why. here's a tease. what do you think of pete? >> i think pete's awesome. i think he's the one. >> think he's the one? >> yes. >> go the distance, right? >> i think so. >> compare him to, say, biden? >> i think pete has more broad appeal. i think he's more energetic. >> and donald trump continued his scorched earth attacks on mitt romney, lieutenant colonel vindman. he says they wronged him in the impeachment battle. i'm going to talk to bill weld,

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you are tired of the extremes in our politics and the noise and the nonsense, you have a home with me. >> don't let anybody tell you you have to choose between listening to your head and listening to your heart. >> you have the option to vote for a campaign which will not only defeat trump, but which will transform this country. >> i will be, excuse my language, i'll be damned if i'm going to stand by and watch us lose this country to donald trump a second time. >> welcome back to "hardball." that's just a small sampling of the presidential candidates making their final pitches to

new hampshire voters before tomorrow's first in the country primary . we're joined by adrian elrod, former senior advisor to hillary clinton. former republican party chair and union leader. sam stein, editor at the daily beast. thank you all. let's talk about what looks to be head to head now between sanders and buttigieg. what's it about, between the guy who wants to be a designated driver in his home and a revolutionary? somebody with a big agenda against the guy who is basically saying, i'm a steady hand. is that a good way to look at it? >> that's a did good way, chris. anybody who thought iowa doesn't matter at this time -- mayor pete momentum right now, the big question -- >> we can declare him the winner in iowa. >> well -- >> he won by two delegates. >> tie, whatever. bottom line, i'm looking to see who gets third place. that matters in new hampshire.

it means different things to different people. depending on joe biden, where he finishes. >> if elizabeth warren comes in third that's good news for her? >> at this point it's good news for her. >> walking away -- >> a third place finish -- for the place -- >> what happened to warren? warren i thought was the one that had the chance to go right through, iowa, new hampshire, super tuesday -- the only candidate that can do that. what happened to that race? it doesn't look good right now. >> i did a bunch of reporting. she is the candidate in the sense she can combine the liberal wing with the more established wing. there are general concerns about electability. i think be that's a little bit gender. that's happening. i talked about it. this is an interesting finding to me at least. female supporters, people going to the rally, they were

concerned about running a female candidate in the general election because of what happened with hillary clinton. they feel like there is a latent sexism in this country that can rear its head again in 2020. and if the primary -- >> most voters are female. >> correct. and they are the ones who express more concern about warren's gender than the men at her rallies. >> is that a self-fulfilling philosophy? >> it is. i'll say this about warren having observed the campaign apparatus, her people are more organized than anyone outside of bernie. i saw one guy not just being handed leaflets, but filling them out with handwritten notes because he thought it would be a better sell to the voters. he left that literature on the door. >> good for him. >> they are committed, they are organized. we'll see how it goes. >> i watched the friday night debate, and i saw something presidential in amy klobuchar. i thought, you know, what's a president look like?

it shouldn't look like any particular kind of person, but i thought she looked like a president. she was calm, collected, she was confident. she didn't yell. i mean, i yell once in a while. she wasn't yelling at all. i know what yelling sounds like. i thought she was really presidential. it's a little late in the game though. it's -- can she still do this? >> i think she can definitely still do this. she was one more thing you didn't talk about in the debate. she was empathetic. she's listened to voters. she can relate to voters. i think, you know, i think to her point, she's been stuck in the last two weeks would have been great for her to be on the ground instead of the senate in the middle of an impeachment trial. there is something relatable about amy klobuchar and it's playing to her benefit. to your point, i'll disagree with you just a little bit. i think there are four or five tickets out of new hampshire and i think that the folks who really benefit the most for taking that third or fourth place, that's amy klobuchar and i think she's the one who is sneaking up and is going to surprise people.

>> sbiden can survive a fourth place finish here? >> i don't think he can. >> his campaign to their credit like iowa is laying expectations here in new hampshire. >> saying i'm going to lose. >> i agree. they are leaning heavily on the african-american vote to sustain them through super tuesday and they're making it clear this time. i don't think anybody else -- >> where do they get to vote in this election? >> there are some here, some in iowa. south carolina is a big state for joe biden. if joe biden only wins south carolina by a couple points, that is doomsday scenario for him. >> you've been following this as a reporter, sam. i read your stuff. it seems like things happen in a campaign. we lost cory booker. i don't know what happened. i thought he was an impressive candidate. we lost kamala, started out real strong. what happened in the campaign? we lost the two african-american candidates. we have two women left. this party is diverse. 25% of the party is african-american, at least more

than half women. >> sure. it's one of the great, one of the things vexing national democrats. how can the party that built itself up as the diverse party end up with two 70-year-old men as the front runner. there's going to be a lot of soul searching about that. if i can backtrack on biden, one thing is i talked to people around here. they know that this election is longer. south carolina may give him a boost. but to a person -- i've talked to voters here who are just spirited with a lack of energy in his campaign. they want to see him throw a punch proverbially, of course. i talked to someone who has the president of the united states belittle his son has done so little to fight back. it's performative, but it's having an impact. finally on amy klobuchar, it is remarkable the degree to which she is bringing along comparisons to john mccain. she's inviting them. her campaign leaked out she's been in touch with cindy mccain. mccain veterans see her as

occupying the streak lane, calling out her own party. using humor as a political tool which she is deft at. >> "hardball" college toor with john mccain at clemson was wild. most of the democratic candidates are duking it out in new hampshire, former new york mayor mike bloomberg released this latest ad going after president trump comparing trump and his rhetoric to former presidents. here we go. >> ask not what your country can do for you. >> it was all [ bleep ]. >> ask what you can do for your country. >> knock the crap out of them, would you? >> their cause must be our cause, too. >> i could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldn't lose any voters. >> and we shall overcome. >> as soon as we left, they knocked the [ bleep ] out of everybody. >> mr. gorbachev, tear down this wall. >> build that wall. build that wall.

>> so, you know, i don't know how this race is going to go. i think bernie's favored tonight, tomorrow. i think bloomberg has a lot of money. i think he could spend a billion dollars easily. he probably makes a billion dollars during the course of the campaign, seriously. he's dipping into the till as it comes in. what happens if he's the candidate against trump? would he be able to lead the democrats? >> absolutely. >> how does he get to be a democrat? >> well, he's running the democrat primary and he's doing pretty well so far in the polls. >> pay to play. >> really quickly, i wish that was the ad i saw joe biden closing with in new hampshire because it reminds people of the electability argument he played up in his campaign that has now falt faltered. >> the amount bloomberg spent translated to $38 every second. on his campaign. a remarkable sum of money.

>> tell us about klobuchar, you love her. >> i'm a republican sitting here who is absolutely not going to vote for the republican nominee. my biggest concern for the democrats is that -- [ applause ] >> well, thank you. my biggest concern with the democrats is that they nominate someone who can build a winning coalition and to beat donald trump, you have to be able to bring disaffected republicans and right leaning independents aboard. with all due respect to all the folks who do support senator sanders, he can't do it. the republicans will stay home before they will come out and vote for senator sanders. >> 90% of republicans back trump. how many are available? >> but it's 90% of a much smaller republican party. >> right. >> the trump republican party is a shrinking party. 20,000 fewer registered republicans in the state of new hampshire today than on election day in november of 2016. >> he's for everything they used to oppose. thank you. still ahead, i spent a weekend talking to candidates and

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[ applause ] welcome back to "hardball." with all eyes now on new hampshire, we hit the road this weekend to check out the democratic campaigns. as the front runner in the polls, senator bernie sanders of neighboring vermont is hoping to

repeat his performance of four years ago. yet with a serious challenger on his heels, it's not clear he'll game the dominant victory he got in 2016. following his delegate victory in iowa, south bend's pete buttiegieg is getting hit by sanders, but also by his fellow moderates. his audience seemed impressed by his surge in campaign. here he is. >> pete may be like jimmy carter and barack obama, burst out of nowhere. certain amount of energy and momentum. >> do you think he might be president? >> yes, i do. i think he can beat trump. >> i was a bernie supporter. i don't know. i'm here to listen to pete. >> i think he has the capability to bring two sides of the party together. >> i like pete quite a lot. >> compared to bernie? >> i think bernie would probably be an electoral disaster. he would be a pin cushion for the other side. >> however, it was senator amy

klobuchar was the first to raise an alarm about the danger of running a socialist candidate atop the democratic ticket. i caught up with her following her breakthrough debate performance on friday. here it goes. you were asked by george stephanopoulos, the debate moderator what your reaction to fox news and the republicans and trump people will be going up to bernie sanders for being a socialist. and you responded what? >> well, i think he was saying do you think we should have a socialist leading the ticket. and i said correctly, i am friends with bernie, we came into the senate together. but i don't think we want a socialist leading the ticket, no. and i was literally the only one that raised my hand and said that. >> why? >> i think -- i watched. everyone was looking around to see who was going to raise our hands. i'm like, seriously? i think that you have to lead and you have to be able to do things that are popular and unpopular. and i am someone that's been, one, i take things on. and i think that's what people are looking for right now. instead of worrying about are

you going to piss off someone in our own party, you do what you think is right. >> see how her language has changed? klobuchar is the wild card in the race right now. former vice-president joe biden is fighting for his political survival, at risk of finishing fifth in new hampshire, biden took aim at both front runners, sanders for having a socialist label and buttigieg for not holding a higher office than just mayor. here's joe biden. >> every democrat has to carry the label senator sanders has chosen for himself. not me, he chose it. democratic socialist. i do believe we're nominating someone who has never held a higher office than mayor of south bend, indiana. >> i'll be here all day tomorrow covering the new hampshire primary starting with morning joe right here in this room. also joining joe and me, former vice-president joe biden and pete buttiegieg. up next, trump continues his attack on impeachment witnesses as trump's allies defend their

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in the case of the vindman brothers, they're detailed here. i want to say quickly what that means. they are employed today. >> they didn't get fired, they just got relocated. >> that's right. they're working at the army where they were. they were detail at nsc. it's typical. >> i think his reassignment was justified. >> don't let the door hit you on the way out. [ applause ] >> welcome back to "hardball." those were some of president trump's allies defending his decision to remove lieutenant governor -- lieutenant colonel vindman from the council. on the infamous july 25th call with the ukrainian president,

testifying it was improper. he continued to attack vindman throughout the weekend. i don't know him, never spoke to him, but he was very insubordinate, reporting contents of my perfect calls incorrectly and given a horrendous report by his -- sounds like al baldwin sometimes, the president. vindman's lawyer called the statements obviously false. as "the new york times" noted, trump's tweets misstated or overstated testimony about colonel vindman. trump also spent the weekend trashing senators who voted to convict him, calling alabama democrat doug jones a lightweight and a do-nothing stiff, and tweeting the wonder of people of utah will never look at grandstander mitt romney with anything but contempt and disgust. even brought up romney to the utah governor at the white house today. >> gary? how is mitt romney? you keep him. [ laughter ] we don't want him. go ahead. >> states are used to -- >> doing a great job in utah, by

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i'm not going to retaliate. the people want a mature adult and that's what the president should be. >> responded to trump calling manchin saying he couldn't understand the transcript. >> he referenced i didn't understand the transcript. i guess, i hope he wasn't referring to because i'm from west virginia that we can't understand or comprehend. i think we do a pretty good job of that. i understood it very well. i read it and understood it. >> i'm joined now by joy reid, host of a.m. joy. and former governor of massachusetts. [ cheers and applause ] >> first of all, i think there was a good sting back at him by governor manchin by saying you're making fun much our country people out here, making fun of west virginia we're not smart enough to understand a transcript? he stuck him back. >> when things go bad that's a relationship going sour for sure. >> why is trump so -- why is he

like -- what was that guy, jover, why does he keep going after people like in le miserable? he goes after everyone who criticized him. >> now we know. it used to be the case you'd lose your job if you got caught lying under oath. now in the trump administration, you lose your job if you get caught telling the truth under oath. [ applause ] >> joy, how much of this is deterrence? >> well, you know, with donald trump, first of all, on joe manchin, just from having interviewed a lot of trump biographers and people who have dealt with him over the years, if joe manchin was in front of donald trump, he wouldn't say any of that. donald trump is a twitter bully. it's easy for him to put deion him. he's 6'3" if he were standing in front of him he would be a concierge. >> like hillary clinton, come looming about it. >> she couldn't do anything about it, she's a woman. donald trump wouldn't say that

to a man to his face. that's the read i get from his biographer. >> are you sure? >> no, he would not. [ applause ] >> the thing democrats have to stop doing is treating him like he's god sill a. donald trump is somebody who from just the people i've spoken with who are in that orbit and that have dealt with him, donald trump is so angry and so incensed and so infuriated so humiliated by having been impeached, he's lashing out at everyone involved in it. he wouldn't lash out if he accepted it, if he was celebrating it like he's claiming to do across the street in his rally. donald trump feels wounded and now he wants to pretend like he's vladimir putin and he can expel people for voting against him. >> on the eve of the new hampshire primary president trump is trying to steal some of the spotlight holding a rally a few blocks from here, half a block from here. he made fun of warren for mumbling. then chanted lock her up. >> on tuesday i delivered my

address on the state of the union. [ cheers and applause ] and i had somebody behind me who was mumbling terribly, mumbling. mumbling, she was mumbling. very distracting. very distracting. >> lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. >> and he knows he's like that guy in good fellas, jimmy two times, get the papers, get the papal erpz. why does he keep repeating what he says over and over? >> he has to remember it. [ laughter ] if nancy pelosi was mumbling behind donald trump, you know what she's mumbling? i'm about to own you. i'm about to own this state of the union and i'm about to rip your speech up. if she was mumbling, that's what

she was mumbling. she stole that speech. >> she's one of the most proper people around, so well mannered. she did rip up his speech. she did that after he refused to shake her hand. >> no kidding, no kidding. i thought that was completely outrageous, breach of decorum. he may be upset because he knows in his heart that she's right. he is impeached for life. a future congress and senate, house and senate which could be a democratic house and senate can come back next january, february, and impeach him again if he's still there, which i sincerely hope he's not. [ applause ] >> can i say the reason i think that donald trump also is so angry, particularly at mitt romney and the lashing out at mitt romney is that donald trump somewhere deep down understands that the republican party that he's stolen, one day the people he calls never trumpers will steal it back. and the kind of men, the men who actually still have that sense of manhood to stand up for what the party was supposed to be

about, what my father believed in when he believed in the republican party, are men like mitt romney and this gentleman right here, mr. weld. it's not people like trump. [ applause ] >> the crowd tried to boo mitt romney as trump was detailing his impeachment in the senate. here's that crowd. >> in the house we won 196-0 and then we got three democrats. and in the senate, other than romney, we had -- >> boo! >> we got 52-0, 52-0. >> governor, how do you win those people over to a reasonable candidacy like your own? >> i don't think the problem is his supporters. i think it's in himself. and i think he has a lot of fear and anger inside him and he has to do what he does to offload the anxiety he has inside him.

that's why he's constantly insulting people to get it outside of him on the table so it won't bother him any more. >> he especially dislikes people who have clean records like barack obama and mitt romney. there's something about cleanliness that bugs him. >> exactly. donald trump sort of -- the book that i just recently wrote, i likened him to the joker. it was a blush, it was a pitch. i sort of likened him to joker in batman. joker's whole life is about hating batman because batman is everything he can never be. barack obama, people like mitt romney that are honest people -- i don't agree with mitt romney, but he's an honest -- >> who is the best joker? >> oh, the one we just saw. joaquin phoenix i have to say is the best joker. >> governor weld, what do you have to do tomorrow in new hampshire to beat this guy? >> i have to exceed expectations. no matter what happens here, chris, i've had a great time here. it's on to super tuesday to massachusetts, vermont, colorado and california. >> good luck. [ applause ] >> well, one thing they know up

here, although a lot have left massachusetts for greener pastures, they remember you as a great governor. great governor of massachusetts. don't you agree? [ applause ] thank you, governor. governor weld. i know you're really one of the irish. that's your number one goal in life. i must meet some -- god, make me irish is this guy's goal. >> all yankees. >> nobody else in that breed of yours can do. thank you, joy reid. thank you, governor weld. we're back after this. [ applause ] is mealtime a struggle?

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