trying to save ms. taylor's life as she lay dying for five extra minutes, no health care was provided there's a lot of different parts of the case that we will stay on the most important thing to keep in mind is the pressure and scrutiny, are raising the question in kentucky whether anything will be done about a case that is not a mystery we know who died, and we know who did it thank you as always for watching "the beat" here on msnbc, and stay tuned for "the reid out," with joy reid. ♪ there could not be a more striking contrast. this weekend we mourned an icon who spent his life fighting for civil and human rights and we always witnessed the incoherent rambling of a president who spent the last four years

burning democratic normals to the ground i'm joy reid and welcome to "the reid out." john lewis died after a life of and bleeding for the right of people that look like me to vote and for freedom from violence. and then donald trump, who openly teased that he may not accept the results of an election >> will you accept the results on of the election >> we have to see, i will not say yes or no. and i didn't last time either. >> the context is that trump has been aspiring for something other than democracy, he got elected with the help of a foreign adversary, after asking russia to help find dirt on hesitate opponent. and then was impeached for doing it again and he tried to ban muse lilimsd refuges from the country and stokedracism and hatred and

now, he has federal troops in to american cities to suppress protests he and his administration have commuted the prison sentence of his friends and war criminals while musing that his political enemies should rot in prison and most shocking of all, he has failed to lead as the country faces a raging pandemic with more than 130,000 dead instead, he denies basic science, and continues to pedal the fantasy that it will all just go away on its own and now, even some republicans who from day one made their bargain to follow donald trump to the gates of hell, have concluded that they must work around him. and adviser to the republican governor of texas told the "new york times" the president got bored with the pandemic so they

are turning to the vice president instead. and that is playing out with 105 days to the next election. if a few moments i will talk to the woman that beat donald trump and was denied the presidency by the electoral college. hillary clinton. my next guest is former vice president joe biden. thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you, congratulations. congratulations. it's a big day >> thank you, thank you so much, sir. >> thanks for having me on >> we are very glad to have you on i have so many questions for you. the first one i have to ask you, you came in to office with president obama, at the heels of a massive recession. on the heels of a very unpopular war this that ripped this country apart and separated us from the allies. that was a tough entrance four your administration. if you are elected, you will face what i argue is a worse

situation. we have right now, paramilitary or federal had troops on the streets of american citizens and people crying out for police reform we have a pandemic that is catastrophic so many people have died, you have talked a lot about it i want to let you listen to donald trump this weekend. talking about that very pandemic and talking about other countries' response to it and let you respond. >> no country has ever done what we have done in terms of testing. we are the envy of the world you lock -- you look at other countries, it will disappear. it will disappear and i will be right. -- >> i don't think so. >> how do you respond to that. >> he is right, no country has ever done what we have done. walk away. there's no leadership here he actually has zero, zero he surrendered, you talked about it early on. this will go away in a few days.

it will be gone tomorrow, you will wake up and it will be gone he talked about how we were going to be in a position where we would be able to lead the world, etcetera. and he was going to be a war time president fighting the virus. he raised the white flag he has no idea what to do. he has one thing in mind how does he win re-election and it doesn't matter how many people get covid or die from covid, he fears that if the economy is strapped as badly as it is today that in fact he is going to be in trouble that's what it's all about i have never seen a president that was so self serving in the conduct of the office. >> and you know, one of the ways i think he believes he will get re-elected is by going back to the play book that he before go after obama care, the affordable care act, which was passed of course during the administration with yourself and president obama and to go after immigrants again i want to let you listen to what he thinks that the supreme court decisions recently have given

him the license to do on those two issues >> we are signing a health care plan within two weeks. a full and complete health care plan that the supreme court decision ondaca gave me the right to do. so we are going to solve, we are going to sign an immigration plan, a health care plan and various other plans -- >> what do you make of a president of the united states who is threatening again to take health care away from 20, 30 million people as his campaign strategy and again, going back to the idea of kicking out immigrants >> look, this guy has no sense of empathy or concern for people people are dying dying. families are bereft. people are so worried about being able to see their grandmoms and grandpops for fear that they may get the covid, this is -- i don't understand it he has absolutely zero sense of empathy. have you heard a word of him talking about how badly he feels

about the losses, about the emptiness? those folks who lost somebody feel like they have been dragged in to a dark deep hole in the middle of their chest. they don't know what to do, they are scared to death and what does the president do? speaks of taking away health care, health insurance what does he talk about? zero i quite frankly get it and beyoi don't understand how he thinks it appeals to the american people overwhelmingly people want us to keep obama care and improve on it not get rid of it in the middle of a pandemic? hundreds of thousands of people ill and dying? and he wants to take away health insurance, my lord >> you know, if you become president and you are inaugurated on january 20th of next year. it will then be your problem to deal with the pandemic, which we have to assume will still be raging, not enough is being done to try to beat it back

walk us through what you would do differently and assuming it actually by then will be worse >> well, first of all. you may recall, joirks all the way back in january, warned that this pandemic was coming, i talked about what we needed to coul do i talked about the defense act that allows him to go to a company and say, manufacturer the following things and so on he has made every, every serious mistake and he has, he has absolutely bludgoned people who disagree with him, and the republican governors and the like number one, i don't know how bad it will be it will be worse because he is doing nothing to deal with what he said was going to go away it's going to get worse. i speak with docs, three times a week sometimes four times a week for an hour and 15 minutes they predict, among them, that there are over 200,000 dead by the time we get to election day.

they predict it will be worse and worse. i will be faced with a circumstance, if i'm fortunate enough to be elected president, where we have to take action on a number of things you need nor testing you need to test and trace you need to be in a position to insist that everyone wears masks, everyone socially distances. that businesses do not open if they cannot do that. we need to make sure that people are in a position where they can in fact maintain the businesses through the stimulus that has, that the congress has put out. we need to keep people on their feet we need to make sure that we have health insurance as well as making sure no one has to pay for contracting covid and or being treated for covid. there's a range of things we have and must do, and do and in addition, i would suggest right now, and i urge the president to do this, right now, there may be a vaccine god willing after the first of the year we should have a command officer

now, we should be spending $25 billion to put together exactly how it will be distributed to over 300 million americans how will we do it? how will it go how will we get it done well it needs plans, planning and without any planning between now and election day now and the time we are sworn in, it's going to make it more difficult to get anything done that's why we are going to need a major public health corp provision, and things that i will not bore you with now it will be very, very, very difficult. >> you know, the president, the current president, is planning to go back to doing daily briefings and you will recall these are the briefs at which he suggested drinking bleaches of certain, you know, types in order to cure covid. is this something is that you have thought about maybe countering that by doing briefings of your own? >> i have, and i have done a number of them, as you recall, joy, when he was doing it. but there's still this overwhelming preoccupation with the president. and he is the president. so i get that part

but the idea that we cover everything he says, even when -- i never thought i would see a time when senior and major reporters like you are watching something the president says and then as he speaks, i don't mean anybody who is progressive, across the board, saying that is not true, mr. president. that's not what happened, mr. president. but there seems to be such a fascination of covering everything that he says and by the way, the words of a president matters. no matter how incompetent a president is a word of the president can make the markets rise and fall, they can take us to war, bring peace, they can do a lot. so, asity of the united states, the first them i'm going to do is stand up and talk sense with the american people. level with them. tell them exactly what i know and what's going to happen and take responsibility for what is happening. it's going to take an awful lot, joy, and i don't know what i'm going to be left with assuming i will be elected president. >> in order to do that you have to first get elected and one of

those barriers is foreign interference you issued a statement that you are aware that foreign interference is happening and if elected president, i will treat foreign interference in our election as an adversarial act i have no desire to escalate tensions with russia or any other country, but in any foreign power recklessly chooses to interfere, i will not hesitate to respond. donald trump has not responded are you prepared to fight an election with russia and china involved and what can you do about it >> well, the only thing we can do about it is be prepared we have a group of lawyers who are doing out to every polling, every voter registration physicians in the state, the secretary of states, making sure they have a game plan to how the voting will take place we are continuing to pus

-- they are allowing for voting in place not only for voting by mail, but voting in place by providing the necessary equipment for social distancing, sanitation, we have 10,000 people who have volunteered we will try to get them plugged in for poll workers, not for us, but running the mechanisms in the states, that they work for the state's operations i don't want the excuse is the reason we closed down, i'm making up a number, there's 30 polling places in a predominantly minority neighborhood and now only five because we don't have enough poll workers we are doing everything that we can to make sure that we are making contact with every governor and every person in charge in the electoral process in the states. i can't do anything about what is going on in russia except respond. and putin knows i mean what i say. this is a violation of our

sovreignty, and if in fact it occurs there will be response in kind it will not go unnoticed or unreported. >> i want to show you a graphic. this is the german publication, der spiegel, you can see, trump, the fire devil, the president sets the country on fire the issues regarding police violence the violence that is going on currently by police against row te -- against protesters to say nothing of people being dragged in to cars by people in unmarked gear and not knowing who they are you have a complicated relationship with the issue of criminal justice reform. if you were president in january, this will then be on your plate walk us through what a bill that comes from abide enadministration looks like in terms of reforming policing. >> a bill reflects what barack

and i started in our adm administrati administration there will be a national rule set, for example, a national requirement that there's no choke holds. a national requirement that we are with able to track and trace what in fact happens in police departments. it's made public making sure that there's a national provision that said, that there has to be transparency in reporting those cases that occurred and in fact, the vast majority of police are decent and honorable, but the minority is real trouble and they are causing great difficulty for police and they are also causing great difficult f y for jurisdictions that are trying maintain law and order. every community, they are looking to be safe th they do not want things to be recommendler

reckless, we need basic fundamental rules that are stronger than the ones being debated in the united states congress right now and they are being, but in the house, provisions that are there. and i will work with the, i have already been working with leaders of the caucus in the house, to provide for the minimum standards that are required for every police department and reporting from body cameras to be able to have complete access to whatever occurs in that operation, making sure, for example, that the prosecutors are not the prosecutors that in fact work with the police department, but another prosecutor department. so, there's no nemxxus of i represent him or her most of the time but from a different jurisdiction there's a lot of things that we can do that in no way, no way will damage the police in terms of their efficiency or fairness. but are required. >> quickly we are running out of time, i want to get one more

question in. most african-american thas have talked to on a daily basis, are concerned that black women in particular have been the heartbeat of the democratic party for a long time. really shored you up in places like south carolina, are you committed to naming a black woman as your vice presidential running mate >> i am not committed to naming anybody but the people i have named and among them are four black women. so, that decision is under way right now. and by the way, black women have supported me my entire career. you all act like all of a sudden, there's an ephiphany in south carolina, i have had a 94% rating in the state with the eighth largest black community, delaware they are the ones that as the old saying goes, brought me to the dance. i have been loyal, and they have been loyal to me and so, it is important that my administration, i promise you, will look like america both as, from vice president to

supreme court, to cabinet positions, to every major position in the white house. it's going to look like america. it's critically important that be the case. i can guarantee you that >> have you narrowed down your choices? >> well, i will tell you what is happening, we are getting the detailed analysis that has been done -- i have been through one of these vetts as they say, you take six weeks, you go in to everything it's like having a public physical examination and that is just being finished and i'm having a two-hour vetting report from the lawyers and women, women and men of color as well as white folks who are doing the vetting and we have gone through about four candidates so far then when i get all the vetting done of all the candidates i will narrow the, the list and then, we will

see. then i will have personal discussions with each of the candidates who are left. >> all right. >> and make a decision >> well, former vice president joe biden. we are out of time i have more questions, will you come back? >> i will be happy to come back. by the way, we were thinking of you for vice president and then you took this job. so, you know, what can we do, you know >> well i appreciate it. >> i am proud of you doing this. it's a presumptive thing to say, but it is beyond time. >> thank you very much mr. vice president. we appreciate it good luck with the campaign. and up next, on the "the reid out," she warned us. >> he loses his cool at the slightest pr ovocation, when he is challenged at a debate, imagine, if you dare, imagine, imagine him in the oval office

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something that former vice president joe biden said, he has acknowledged that in the briefings that he is receiving, that russia is at it again and maybe china as well. having been through this, this, you know, he went through it as well in the administration you were the victim of it. what would you advise the biden campaign to do >> well, i'm glad that vice president abibiden and his campn are speaking out of what is going on and what they are learning from intelligence briefings. it's clear that russia succeeded. they believe they were able to influence the minds and even the votes of americans, so why would they stop? they really want to pursue their agenda of dividing us undermining trust in our country, electing and helping to elect somebody who is favorable to their agenda. and if you are china, which is, well, an easy jump to make, and

you are looking at the chaos that the trump administration has created in the world, while you are trying to assert yourself more, while you are cracking down internally on dissent, setting up surveillance nation, trying to dominate the south china sea, engaged in border skirmishs with india, and all the other activity that we are watching with some concern coming out of china, well, donald trump is your biggest ally you know, his being president with his incoherent, inconsistent foreign policy has given you a tremendous opportunity. so, i am glad that vice president biden with all of his experience in foreign affairs from the senate, from being vice president, is trying to warn the american people that what happened in 2016 is sadly under

way again. to say that puttin y to say anyg as the president of the united states about bounties on american troops. it's unbelievable. >> it is, a lot of it. i showed the der spiegel cover, having been secretary of state, the thing that is new for me about the way the world is looking at us. the way the rest of the world, they have been angry with us in the iraq war has felt bullied by the united states on issues regarding their own democracies, etcetera. but this is new. pity we are seeing headlines around the world that the united states is now an object of pity, we have been kicked out of the certain supply chains. our farmers are locked out of certain markets because of tariffs. how do you advise fixing that or can it be fix inside do you think it's a problem had that will end up, you know, dominating a lot of the foreign policy of the biden

administration, just trying to repair the relationships and other esteem in the world? >> it can be repaired if we make a change in the white house starting next january. it will not be easy, we are going to have to rebuild our alliances with our friends around the world who have as you just pointed out been account looking at us with confusion, with pity, with deep concern about what this means to the future of democracy and our relationships. we are going to have to be clear with adversaries like russia. eye r iran, north korea, china, that we are tough minded and we will deal with the vacuums that have been created with this administration it will take time and effort and intensive work, joy. but it can be done

i dare not left with if we are r some reason, trump would be to re-elected because then i think the damage to our institutions to the rule of law to america's unity and the role in the world would be much, much harder to repair >> you know, and having run against donald trump, donald trump was just floating around before that, you know, in elite circles and touching them here and there. so you know donald trump are you concerned that donald trump will not accept the results of the election in november if he loses >> well, he seemed to signal that with his chris wallace interview, didn't he when he said that he would have to wait. we have to be concerned and i think it's something is that not just the biden campaign, but everyone in any position of responsibility on both sides of the political divide have to

begin preparing for, and here's what i think that means. we need to shore up our electoral security we need to make it possible for people to vote by mail i'm involved in helping to support lawsuits against states that are trying to minimize or make that difficult because that's what the trump administration wants we have to make sure that there's enough poll workers so that people can vote in person with early voting and enough places when they show up on election day we know what needs to be done. and i think it's fair to say, joy, that the other side does too. because clearly the strategy for re-election that donald trump is following is to try to make it as difficult as possible for people to vote, to have those votes counted, and to sew further distrust in our

electoral system, to be in a position if he is repudiated on election day, to say he is not sure if it's fair and drag the process out. i take his veiled threat, i take it very seriously and i hope that you know, fair minded, officials at all levels of government will do everything they can to make our elections work and to make sure that people have a chance to vote and have those votes counted. >> well, secretary clinton is going to ta going to stay with us, coming up on the other side of the break can you name the three animals that you see on the screen, you may also be a stable genius. customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect!

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but they will not release his results or any other details as chris wallace pointed out, the assessment that he has taken in the past is not especially difficult. we are not back now with secretary hillary clinton. i say it in all seriousness, are you concerned based on donald trump's behavior about his, you know, his needling joe biden's cognitive abilities, are you concerned about donald trump's >> anybody that has watched him in the last four years has to be concerned and particularly watched his absence of leadership respect to the pandemic you know, if you were really looking for somebody to try to help our country get through this terrible virus that has cost jobs and lives and disrupted our society and economy, clearly he has failed he has failed at the most fundamental job of being a

president. yes, i'm concerned i'm concerned because he does not seem up to the job he doesn't seem capable of having the attention the concentration. the focus. the discipline to stay with a problem that like the pandemic poses. he seems to be unfortunately impulsive on what he said and does, that confuses a lot of people, governors and mayors, that are trying to figure out how to save lives and save jobs. every american who has seen him over the last four years and particularly over the last six months, with respect to the pandemic should be concerned about him. >> well, i want to play you a piece of video that you will remember, we will play it real quick. >> russirussia, if you are listg i hope you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> i want to give you a chance to respond to the fact that donald trump has now commuted

the sentence of at least one of if people who were listening, russia was listening and so was rodger stone what do you think of the commutation of his sentence? >> it's clear that stone threatened him privately and publically of what he would say if he had to go to prison and it's a continuation of the cover-up it's an ongoing cover-up, that trump and stone are two of the major participants in to try to prevent us from knowing all of the details about what they actually did in 2016 some of it was very public i mean, asking russia in public, to interfere in american elections, but some of it was clandestined, behind the scenes, sending messages and some of it that we know about and much more what he did was to use the awesome power of commutation as part of the pardon power of the

president, to basically shut up rodger stone so that rodger stone would not spill any more beans of what actually happened and how much donald trump actually knew. >> indeed, before i let you go in the last few seconds i want to give you an opportunity to speak to the legacy of your friend, congressman john lewis who passed away and who we have been celebrating and talking about all weekend, but i want to give you an opportunity, i know his support meant so much to you. >> well, his friendship, his example, his extraordinary leadership and service, joy. i hope that americans as we mourn his passing, committed to following through with his legacy, and that for me, would be getting the voting rights act passed it's passed in the house and it should be passed in the senate it was something that he worked

on his entire life, he paid a huge price in being beaten and jailed because he believed that every american should have the right to vote and have that vote counted. i would love to see the senate take up the voting rights act from the house, and rename it the john lewis voting rights act. and as a fitting tribute to him, but as a continuation of his mission is service, his work, and his moral leadership, and i love them, i just, you know, loved him and miss him personally so very much. and i want to see the example he set really held up for years and generations to come. secretary hillary clinton, thank you for your time this evening, appreciate you being here. >> thank you, joy, congratulations. >> thank you very much thank you. and atlanta mayor keisha lance bott bottoms, the governor is trying to restrain her from speaking to

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heyer e -- mayors and cities the country are at the center of two issues the chicago mayor, lori lightfoot, facing threats from donald trump and his administration that they will send federal troops to cities run by democrats the chicago tribune has learned that the homeland security is making plans to deploy 150 federal agents to chicago this week the scope of their duties is unknown. and there's atlanta mayor bottoms who is trying to issue an order to have people wearing masks in public places

governor kemp is suing her and trying to keep her from talking about it he is asking for an injunction to restrain her from issuing statements to the press about her authority to impose such measures well, she is here to speak with me tonight and atlanta mayor, keisha lance bottoms and joining us is chicago mayor lori lightfoot, thank you both for being here. i will go to you, mayor bottoms, first. i want to note that the state of georgia set a single day record of viruses, that is 4,689 new covid cases. the governor has tried to silence you and here is what he said, accusing mayors like yourself who want to protect your residents with a mask requirement. >> we have people, local mayors that are playing politics, they, you know, want to go back to shelter in place they want to stop inperson dining with no notice, just pulling the rug out from under

people and i am just not going to allow that to happen. >> what is your response >> first of all, thank you for having me, joy and congratulations to you >> thank you >> the insanity of this with brian kemp is that the recommendations regarding our businesses are advisory, volunteering, recommendations. this governor is suing me personally for making recommendations on people on phased guidelines. these guidelines are based on where we are on with covid, based on metrics it's based on science. it's based on data, and this continuation of claiming that we are playing politics really is laughable in this state. there were many other cities including savannah, including athens, georgia, his hometown, that instituted mask policies. he did not sue them. and i don't know if it's because those cities were led by men

i don't know if it's because my support of joe biden i don't know if it's because of the demographic make-up of atlanta, but he has taken personal exception with our city, and with me personally and it's inexplicable given our state with where we are at covid-19. >> what do you feel about this he is trying keep you from speak something. >> my husband got a good laugh about that he said that he should have spoken with him about that first. i think he obviously wants to silence my voice and what is most striking, i was looking at the numbers today. atlanta has 500,000, and we have 10 million people in the state, we have 49% of the covid cases in the city of of atlanta, in the time when we are in the midst of a pandemic, we feed ne

many voices as we can have to sound the alarm, encouraging people to wear masks and take all precautions and follow the science and the data, and it is completely unreasonable the course that this governorer has put us on. we were one of the first states to reopen. he opened up a satellite hospital in the world congress center $20 plus million to do that. he took it down and now has to open it back up. icu capacity in atlanta, i think we have roughly about 13% left in capacity in atlanta and yet, he wants to silence me. >> yeah, let me bring mayor lightfoot in it's a different sort of challenge that you are facing with the, with the federal government you sent a letter, i have this letter here. that you sent to the president to donald trump, regarding the decision to try to deploy federal troops like the ones that we have seen in portland in

to the city of chicago i want to let you listen to what acting homeland security secretary chad wolf said about your objections to sending in those troops >> and so, i don't need invitations by the state, state mayors or state governors to do our job. we are going to do that whether they like it there or not. >> a lot of people that sounds like tireny, they are not troops, they are not military. they are customs and border protection and immigration officials that they are sending in, in unmarked gear what is your response? >> well, first of all, as a former federal prosecutor, i know that if resources are brought in, to augment existing federal infrastructure under the control and direction of the local u.s. attorney, there might be a value that. but look what happened in portland what we have there is no advance notice to the local authorities.

no notice to the local u.s. attorneys s office and having armed camouflage individuals, grabbing people off the street that is unconstitutional our democracy is at stake and i will be darned in i'm going let anybody, even if they are name is mr.brg those kind of troops to our city and try to take off our residents that's not going to happen in chicago and if they try it, i'm going to use every tool in my disposal to stop them. we still have a constitution we still have laws on the book and i'm going to use those to deploy against them, we are not going to have tierney in the city of chicago. it's just not going to happen. >> the things that the federal government that the trump administration wants to do appear to have the support of the police department, or at least the police union in your city we have seen incidents -- >> not our police department. >> sorry >> not our police department we have got a unhinged leader of

the fraternal order of police who is craven in trying to generate attention he has asked for that. but reasonable, local police officials, including our superintendent know it's a dangerous road for us to go down we are not going have people that don't know our streets, don't know our our neighborhoodd then are engaging in clearly unconstitutional conduct, operating at will in our city. that is chaos. that is lawlessness, and we are absolutely not having it. >> are you planning on filing a lawsuit? >> if we need to, we will. and we will be prepared. >> and, mayor bottoms, will you consider filing a counter lawsuit against the one filed against you in. >> absolutely. and like mayor lightfoot, we're going to fight with everything we have. donald trump and his minions are the architects of chaos in this

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we are entering into an era of opportunity and danger. the opportunity is illustrated in the life of john lewis and c.t. vivian and is visible in the streets of dozens of american cities where emblems erected as a warning to black citizens that they would never really be citizens are coming down with those monuments and flakes being stripped away to make space for a new and inclusive vision of america. the danger comes from the creep of autocracy in america. in another era, the notion of federal troops headed to cities triggered relief in the hearts of americans struggling to exercise their right to vote or go to school or go to college, but today it invokes something

different, violence, horror and the fear that our democracy is slipping opportunity versus danger, the central conflict of our time that's what we will be covering night after night. tonight i'm so happy to be joined by my friend and colleague lawrence o'donnell thank you so much for being here i really appreciate you being here give me your summation of where we stand right now do you feel more opportunity or more chaos ahead >> well, look, looking at the polls that show joe biden with as much as a 15 point lead, the low end of that is the 10 point lead in the polls, that says to us that trumpism ends on election night that says to us that we are going to be in a new world next year if those poll numbers hold. so the poll numbers are the reason for optimism tonight. we are going to have to get through an awful lot of grim days and nights in between then as we're see anything portland tonight. >> yeah. one of the things that, you

know, former vice president biden said is he sort of shook his finger at russia and said be warned he was pretty tough about that do you think that russia will be restrained by that kind of a warning knowing that if he wins there might be hell to pay >> yeah. russia understands what it's like to have a real american president and to have somebody who is actually going to push back and cause russia problems if russia causes this country problems they know that's who joe biden is. >> yeah. >> i was also struck, joy, by how plainly he spoke about donald trump by saying donald trump doesn't care and saying donald trump doesn't care about people dying from this and the idea that you could say that about a president of the united states and a majority of the audience would nod in agreement that that's correct, the president doesn't care about this is a very, very powerful statement by joe biden, and he's the last guy to say that kind of thing wildly it is just conventional wisdom

now that donald trump doesn't care. >> secretary clinton also, she did say that it does make sense to maybe question donald trump's cognitive abilities the way he has been questioning joe biden's. joe biden's seem perfectly lucid to me. what do you make of that >> well, the question has been on him for a while in the second year of his presidency or maybe toward the end of the first year, we had those 27 psychiatrists get together and put out a book called "the dangerous case of donald trump." they were giving us their duty to warn about what they were reading as the mental health of this person. before you get into any kind of cognitive decline from alzheimer's like his father had or something like that, you have something much more troubling with donald trump at any age in his life and mary trump now has helped with that diagnosis. and it's obviously a very grave thing. the more donald trump wants to concentrate on that aspect, the better it is for joe biden who

by the way, joy, joe biden was my first guest on my first show ten years ago. so a joe biden launch pretty much gives you a ten-year run. vp is rolling around my circles a lot. what did you make of joe biden's answer on that >> he made it very clear there are at least four black women who are very serious candidates for vice president right now. >> yeah. >> and you know the maximum list is maybe about six people. so i think the odds are now very likely. >> yeah. >> that there will be a black woman vice presidential nominee. that's probably the likelihood at this point. >> we shall see. you are always great thank you so much. really appreciate you being here always that is tonight's reid out

i want to thank you guys out there doing watch parties. i will be back here at 7:00 tomorrow night joined by senator kamala harris and former attorney general under president oba obama, eric holder "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tort on "all in," as coronavirus cases climb and poll numbers plummet, trump flails in front of millions of americans then democrats raising alarms on foreign interference in the election again. chuck schumer is here to talk about that plus, federal agents attack unarmed protesters in portland a navy veteran beaten on camera joins me tonight. and remembering john lewis and all he stood for as democrats fight to save voting rights across america. maxine waters joins me when "all in" starts now

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