good morning, i'm ali velshi. it's sunday, april 18th, and we are just 26 hours away from closing arguments in the trial of derek chauvin. george floyd's death ignited the largest racial equality movement in decades, one that's only intensified over the last month during which we have seen several other high-profile police-involved shootings of black people. as "the new york times" highlights, since testimony began in the derek chauvin trial on march 29th, at least 64 people have died at the hands of law enforcement nationwide with black and latino people representing more than half of the dead. as of saturday, the average was more than three killings a day. that includes the death of daunte wright just ten miles north of where george floyd died in the town of brooklyn center. he was shot and killed by

26-year police veteran kim potter who says she mistook her handgun for a taser. the now former officer has been charged with second-degree manslaughter. despite a curfew instituted for 11:00 p.m., there was another night of demonstrations overnight outside the brooklyn center police station. california congresswoman maxine waters joined the protest yesterday in minnesota. >> this is a very difficult time in the history of this country. we have to persist in calling for justice. we have to let people know that we are not going to be satisfied unless we get justice in these cases. >> last night was the seventh night in a row for the protests which have remained peaceful. at times there has been tension. 136 people were arrested on friday as the situation deteriorated late with some people reportedly throwing bottles and other objects at police and others attempted to breach the security fence outside the station. police responded with tear gas,

pepper balls and other projectiles and they declared that part of the situation to be a riot. none of the people arrested were journalists, however several were reportedly rounded up by police with some reported to be zip tied, pepper sprayed, tackled and forced onto their stomachs. that came as a police ordered a crowd to disperse, something for which journalists which are there to bear witness explicitly exempt as underlined by a judge's temporary restraining order issued hours earlier. that was issued after several journalists said police appeared to be harassing them and were directed by law enforcement to vacate the protest area, physically grabbed, struck by less lethal projectiles and rubber bullets and pepper spray. joining me now is "the new york times" national reporter who's been on the ground in brooklyn center covering the protests for the last several days. nicholas, good morning to you. you were in brooklyn center last

night. the protests seemed to be surrounding the police station. describe to us what the situation is. they have sort of barricaded off the police station but that's where crowds are going? >> right, and thank you for having me. yes, the police department in brooklyn center, which is just outside minneapolis, has become this flash point of protests for seven nights in a row now and it varies every night quite a night. there are nights where it's entirely peaceful where people are just chanting and describing their frustration with the police, and then there are nights, as you can see, where things have gotten much more volatile and people are throwing things at the police and the police are responding very aggressively at times with flash bangs and pepper spray. it's quite -- it's quite a scene. >> and to see these things is often typical of what we see. during the day it has a very different tone to it. in fact during the day yesterday there were some cookouts and people with signs.

we saw video of a protest in chicago where people were sort of dancing, sort of a performative part of it. what happens after dark tends to change the tone. >> right, absolutely. in the days, these are really community events where people are grilling, people are bringing vegetables and other groceries to the residents nearby who have had to deal with this night after night and it's very much a scene of community. at night that can very much change as it did a couple of nights ago where you saw over a hundred arrests, where you saw people very frustrated, some people throwing bottles of water, garbage, other things at the police and where the police have come out in force and in some cases -- every night actually there has been a curfew. the mayor at one point tried to avoid issuing a curfew on friday night and ultimately chose to do so once things got out of hand

so there's been curfews seven nights in a row. >> there's something that's happened in minnesota which might be relevant to what happens once we have a verdict in the chauvin trial and that is on friday night a federal judge issued an order about how to deal with journalists who are at these protests. now, this is a tricky situation, because journalists should not have to be subject to curfews. they obviously shouldn't be creating a dangerous situation or interfering in public safely work, but it seems like right after that judge ordered that -- police to behave a certain way, the police didn't. >> right. and so reporters haven't been subject to the curfews, but they have -- the position early on from the police was that they were subject to the dispersal orders, so once the police told everyone to leave, reporters were supposed, they said, to be included in that and at that point couldn't witness the arrests that were happening, which is a big reason that you're there, to see how the

protesters treat the police and how the police treat the protesters. and so there was this court order that came out that said, no, the journalists there should not be subject to these dispersal orders. and so that was on friday night. and despite that, there were still reports of reporters being harassed. there was scenes of the police taking photos of every reporter before they let them go, logging them in some kind of system. they have vowed not to do that anymore, but i've also heard from photographers who have said that their equipment was damaged when they were arrested or briefly detained before being released. and so the police have vowed to do better. last night obviously was a peaceful protest so there was no clashes where this kind of thing would happen, but it remains to be seen. >> yeah. the images that we're seeing on the left of the screen and the

fact that you're there are all part of our job to bear witness, which we cannot do if you subject reporters to dispersal orders and curfews. this is a really, really, really, really important first amendment issue. it is important that no matter where you stand on a particular issue or side of a protect that you protect journalists' rights to be able to bear witness on your behalf. nicholas, thank you for doing that. a national reporter with "the new york times." joining me now is the former united states attorney in alabama and msnbc contributor, joyce vance. she's the co-host of #sisters-in-law podcast. why chauvin's trial verdict may hinge on judge cahill's jury instructions. also joining the discussion, amani perry, an award-winning author of numerous books, including "breathe, a letter to my sons and more beautiful and more terrible, the embrace and transcendence of racial equality in the united states."

good morning to both of you, thank you for being here. joyce, i want to explore what you wrote about for msnbc, the idea that tomorrow, and a lot of people think the trial ended on thursday when the defense rested. but in fact the instructions to the jury in this particular case are remarkably important. in fact i remember opening arguments where the defense wanted to be clear that everything going around you in america, all this discussion about policing and social justice isn't what this trial is about, so i assume the judge is going to need to address what this trial is about to the jury before they enter that deliberation room. >> that's exactly right. and one of the things that concerns me is that the mood in the country may want to shift the entire burden of our flawed policing system onto this jury. their job is not to fix decades of wrongs, that's up to all of us. what this jury has to decide is the facts in this specific case. so when judge cahill instructs

them on monday morning, he'll tell them what law they must use in this case in order to reach their decision. precisely what they must find the government has proved beyond a reasonable doubt to convict on each of the three counts that have been lodged against derek chauvin. >> dr. perry, this is a little bit tricky because for a lot of people watching this in america, around the world, maybe even some of the jurors, for a lot of people watching this, this trial and the video that allowed us all to bear witness to what happened feels more like the trial -- feels more like a trial of the policing system and the justice system than it does actually of one person in the death of another person. >> right, absolutely. in some rays to reiterate joyce's point, this is why we can't look to trials to respond to this deeply problematic system. in fact we have to think about solutions that have to do with

municipalities and their leadership as opposed to somebody that has actually been killed so we have to be careful about how we respond to verdicts or actually what we hope for coming out of trials. >> joyce, let's talk a little about that. as you watch this trial, is it different, is there something about this trial that may have lasting influence either on people who have been telling us for decades that this stuff happens or for people who for decades that say come on, cops don't kill people for basically doing nothing or on our justice and policing system. is this trial bigger than what it is? >> this is a really great question, and it's an important one that i've been reflecting on because one of the things that happens when you're a federal prosecutor and when part of your portfolio, as mine always was, was to carry the civil rights

cases in the office, you see these cases for decades and you watch the injustice and it becomes a slow boil in your blood. and so i think for people who have been involved in this space, whether like i have or in other capacities, certainly for the people who are personally involved and impacted in the black and hispanic communities, this has always been something that's known. but because we're able to watch this case on trial, because news about it has been so pervasive, it's hard to tell in the moment, but what i hope is that this will wake people up to the realities of what's happening in our policing system. you know, we need a force in our lives that protects us. but we need them to protect all of us. and so hopefully this will rally concerns about policing and allow us to transform the system. >> so, dr. perry, i want to explore something you just said. we have to be careful in what our reaction is to this. when i was out covering the protests in 2020, about half of

the protesters were out there because of any given injustice, the killing of a particular man in the case of george floyd. i am making these numbers up, but a large proportion of the people were out there because of the larger injustice they felt. what joyce just said, that the law is not there to protect everyone equally. so what do protests in your opinion, what should they look like? people want to come out and say something is wrong. what is most effective in your opinion? >> you know, honestly i don't think of myself as someone who is willing to judge protesters. rather, i think, that the protests indicate the depth and breadth of the problem. so we have a systemic problem. we have a lack of accountability structures not just for police officers but for the elected officials who facilitate them. we have a presumption of innocence on the part of officers but not a part of presumption of innocence on the part of ordinary people who we

see repeatedly being killed when they are unarmed and even more than that children. so when we have a society that allows children to be killed by police officers, it's hard for me to see it as a virtuous society. so the response of protesters i think is appropriately outraged. outrage emerges in a variety of ways. so if we understand that protesting ultimately does not yield, you know, the goals we want or it isn't conducted in ways that the society thinks is acceptable, the answer is not in shifting protests, frankly, the answer is shifting the social order. the answer is responding to the protests with meaningful change. and i think we have this sort of devastating choreography now where there are millions of people who have taken to the streets and yet we still have the same situation. so i identify with their frustration. i do think we have to think

about a variety of ways and perhaps focusing more on the systemic structural problem in the context of protesting. but, you know, the rage, the grief, the devastation, it is completely reasonable. >> the answer is not in shifting protests, the answer is in shifting the social order. what a remarkably thoughtful way of putting that. thank you to both of you this morning. dr. imani perry is a professor of african-american studies at princeton university and the author of numerous books. joyce vance is a former united states attorney and professor at the university of alabama school of law. thanks to both of you. this morning we're putting faces to the names of victims who lost their lives in yet another mass shooting. this one taking place on thursday at a fedex warehouse in indianapolis. eight workers were killed that day.

we now know that the gunman behind thursday's mass shooting purchased his firearms legally after authorities had previously seized another gun from him. the indianapolis police chief says last march the 19-year-old gunman's mother raised concerns about his mental state and police came and took his shotgun. just months able he was able to stroll into a store and legally buy two more semiautomatic rifles. the gunman is said to be a former employee at the fedex facility. "velshi" is just getting warmed up. still ahead another week of police violence has emphasized the need for police reform. we'll speak to a captain. plus nbc news revealing some of the most elite military trained members are spreading hate and misinformation online. first, opposition leader alexi navalny's health has worsened that doctors are warning that he could die at any moment.

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calls for reworking the way law enforcement operates and how it's been funded have been heard across our country over the last year in response to numerous acts of police brutality. san francisco was one of the first cities to actually change its policing model by removing officers from behavioral crisis calls and using unarmed specialists instead. nbc's jake ward rode along with the new street crisis team to observe how they work. >> crisis does not happen --

well, for me did not happen just like that. it happened gradually, where i found myself in the streets. i'm a latino that's been in the streets myself. >> reporter: miguel lava spun out of control when his mother died. now he's sober and part of a new street crisis response team in san francisco. each rig carries a peer counselor, a behavioral clinician and a community paramedic. this team patrols the streets looking for people in need. it's part of a new program costing an estimated $13 million a year and paid for by a business tax. 911 calls about nonviolent people in crisis are directed away from police to these specialists. >> i remember when i was in crisis. i don't remember visibly who was in front of me. sometimes that tone, that approach, it's not just a technique of counseling or de-escalation but a real person-to-person to say, say, i'm here to help, how can i help

you. >> i appreciate you talking to us. >> reporter: homelessness, mental illness and equity are sensitive topics in san francisco and across the country. at least one passerby felt we should not be filming people in distress even with their permission. >> these are people living on the streets. hello, these are people living on the streets. they shouldn't be recorded. >> reporter: we decided to blur the faces of people in the midst of a mental health crisis. by the way, this person got housing a few days later. >> are you going to have the doctor look at your hand? >> yeah, at 1:00. >> okay, that sounds good. >> what are they offering you that you need? >> what are they offering me? they gave me food and they really -- what amazed me if they sort of helped me pack my bag and fold my blanket. thank you. >> it's tough. it's tough work. >> that's a shortened version of

a longer piece that jake ward put together. jake joins me now. jake, good morning, thanks for joining us so early in the morning on your coast. this san francisco system means police are often not summoned to certain calls that originate with 911. let's talk about the ones to which police continue to be summoned and brought to the scene. what's the latest thinking on making sure that those also don't escalate into something that didn't need to happen? >> well, this is really the great problem of the nation's policing crisis here, ali, is that there is not a consistent set of principles, of guidelines for police departments across the country. you have to remember police departments are essentially each their own kingdom. they have to obey constitutionality and they also have to obey state and regional laws, but in terms of training and procedure, each one is its own semi improvisational little

arena. as a result, we don't have a good central, let's say, federal database of, you know, how many use of force incidents are there, how many police-involved shootings are there, what kinds of patterns are there behind those instances, right? we couldn't, for instance, right now snap a finger and look through a database and say, okay, of the people who have in fact escalated a situation such that someone does in fact die, how many of them worked the night shift too many nights or came up through this kind of training program or were paired with a partner who was junior like they were, or whatever it is. we don't have systems like that. and so this system in san francisco seems to be working. it's very, very interesting to watch people drawn away from 911. those calls come into 911 per usual but this team goes out, has all kinds of authorities that police typically are the only ones that have and suddenly for us, the statistics are extraordinary. it's an amazing thing to see. in the rest of the country it is

an improvisational game and police have a lot of authority. they are the first and last call on most of these subjects. >> jake, stay with me for a moment. i want to bring in chief simon pang, the section chief for the fire department and he's been leading this effort to build the street crisis response teams about which we are just talking. chief, good to see you, thank you for being with us. i saw in jake's story that these teams go out with a peer counselor, a behavioral expert, and an emt or paramedic so that in fact you cover a large percentage of the reason why 911 gets called on people. >> that's correct. each street crisis response team is comprised of three individuals. the peer support specialty who is someone who has lived experience, somebody who may have formerly been homeless or is in recovery. and we feel that having someone there increases our credibility.

my opinion is it's the gold standard for trauma informed care. it's truly someone who has walked in their shoes before. the behavioral clinician can either be a licensed clinical social worker, a psychologist or a marriage and family therapist. and then the third piece is the piece from the fire department, which is a community paramedic. a community paramedic is a paramedic with extra training and an expanded role with skills in motivational interviewing, de-escalation techniques and crisis response. >> and one in five fatal police encounters, by the way, in the united states is according to the journal of preventative medicine tied to issues of mental health or substance abuse. this team, these teams you put together, captain, sound amazing. chief, what escalates it? what is the point at which that team can't deal with something and then what happens? do you have instances where you've dispatched this team but

they have had to call police? >> yes. that's a very good question and it's a very complex topic. we are not law enforcement and we are currently dispatched to what's called priority b calls, so that's someone who is nonviolent, has no report of a weapon and has not committed a crime. so if we feel that the person is escalating to a point that it's becoming dangerous to our teams, we're going to provide time and space, we're going to back off and we will ask for law enforcement backup. so this is -- you know, law enforcement is still part of the equation and i think necessarily so. but the police in san francisco, all the officers are crisis and dimension trained and we've been cooperating very well on the street level. >> what about the other way around, are there instances where police get dispatched by 911, arrive at a scene where maybe it is a nonviolent, nonthreatening mental health issue or substance abuse issue.

are they able to get your teams in? >> yes. well, we are still in our implementation phase so we don't have -- currently we only have three units in the streets. our fourth unit will be up and running on may 10th. by end of june we should have a total of six units up. when we have six units up, we will be able to have a police officer call us to the scene if they feel that we can be of benefit to their call. at the moment just because the police leadership don't want their officers waiting on scene for us to arrive because we're not fully implemented yet. so it's just in a few months, we're going to have complete interchangeability. a police officer will be able to call us to the scene. also i have to say that for those priority a calls, the ones that have maybe a hostage situation, a barricaded subject or someone who is threatening to

jump, we would not be involved in those. there is another team run through the health department called comprehensive crisis that responds to those and they have trained negotiators on that team. so we really are focused on people who are nonviolent. >> this is a remarkable story. jake ward, thank you for bringing it to us. chief, thank you for bringing it to us. and thanks to your team. i'd like to keep a very close eye on this. in may when you get your next team and when you get fully staffed up to six teams to see whether this is the kind of thing that the nation with emulate in dealing with so many of the calls that end up in such tragedy across the tragedy. jake ward, nbc's reporter in oakland, california. chief simon pang is the section chief at the san francisco fire department. what a fascinating conversation. coming up next, i'm going to introduce you to another type of rescue program, but this one tries to save your friends and family members who have gone too far down a rabbit hole of online

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americans, elite military members who are charged with protecting our nation are actually undercover extremists. a detailed review of social media by nbc journalists found that thousands of u.s. military members have been propagating racist views, lies about the 2020 election and even qanon theories in groups on facebook. in one post an image of a noose was used to respond to criticism about the black lives matter movement. the message reading if we want to make america great again, we will have to make evil people fear punishment again. in others, they use derogatory terms like bubba to refer to defense secretary lloyd austin, who is their boss. right after january 6th, one military member wrote, quote, trump was sabotaged once again. trying to get to the bottom of the obvious election fraud now looks like it doesn't have a chance, end quote. according to jack murphy, a former army ranger and green beret who's written about the special ops community, it's not just the occasional private in the third infantry, there are

senior officers and noncommissioned officers in the military who believe this. joining me now is nbc news senior investigative producer anna schecter. good to see you this morning, my friend. first of all, what part of this is allowed and what isn't? in other words, is any of this -- would it get these people kicked out of the military if they were found to have these views? or is it okay for them to have these views? >> it's a great question. we spoke to several members of the pentagon, representatives of the pentagon, and initially they said, listen, they're actually in a bind. so, yes, the post that you just mentioned and quoted from, they would violate policy but it's hard to actually deal with it so that it would trigger an internal review that could lead to an investigation and then that would either be administrative or potentially criminal if they were found to be working with any groups that are designated as domestic

terror groups. but they're in a bind. we were told, look, these posts aren't -- it's not illegal to write this. then we spoke to another member of the pentagon who kind of took a higher road and said, listen, this is just flat out violates all policy. you can't have members of the most elite special forces writing and posting these things on facebook. it was interesting to hear them head-on address it. it's been a problem in the -- >> how orged is it? how organized is it? is it random people who find these groups or is it people within the military agitating for these views to be brought forward? >> there's several. there's more than just the two groups we were quoting from. quite a few facebook groups that are private groups. you need to know about the group and be invited by a current member of the group. all the groups say they are

vetted and they're self-vetted. they want members of the special forces who are current or former. and, you know, there are other groups that we saw where people were posting about news stories relevant to the military and that sort of thing, but didn't go down this road. some of the private facebook groups actually do some policing. the two we found that have over 5,000 members, there was a lot of qanon conspiracy theory talk in there. and some of the people i've spoken to, they say, look, that was a joke or this does not represent the 70,000 members of the special forces community and there are thousands more, tens of thousands more who are retired. in terms of organization by the military, this is certainly not sanctioned by the military. these are individuals who, on their own, have gone and created these groups. >> in fact, i spoke to some military people the other day who get very frustrated by some of this coverage. they say it makes it feel like

it was all over the place. robert wilson did suggest that, in fact, it starts when these folks are in the military. so something, according to wilson, is triggering this. >> even the pentagon is acknowledging the military has a problem with these kinds of extreme views and they're trying now, critics will say, way too late. we've known this was a problem. it was a problem that bubbled up in the 90s. there were reports on this, congressional inquiries. this is not brand new. i will say i spoke to some of the members in these groups and they are torn up that this is painting the entire special forces community. they're worried about that. but people like zach murphy say, look, we don't want to overstate this problem but we also don't want to minimize it. they feel like a conversation needs to be had. jack murphy's facebook feed, he says, for the last five years,

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good morning. it's sunday, april 18th. i'm ali velshi. 24 hours from now, closing arguments are to begin in the trial of the murder of george floyd. if the world has born witness of how george floyd has died, upped the knee of a police officer, claiming he couldn't breathe until he literally had no breath, quet remains, in the end, will it make a difference that we all saw that? will there be actual, tangible change? testimony began march 29th. "the new york times" notes in the time between then and now at least 64 people have died at the hands of law enforcement nationwide with black about and latino people averaging more than half of the dead.

13-year-old adam telejdo was shot and killed by chicago police. body cam footage shows police officer eric stillman responding to calls of shots fired at 2:00 in the morning, yelling commands for telejdo to stop, drop whatever was in his hands, commands that he appears to follow before stillman fires the fatal shot. in brooklyn center, minnesota, north of minneapolis, 20-year-old daunte wright was shot and killed by 26-year police veteran kim potter at point blank range because she she mistook her handgun for a taser. that took place ten miles north of where george floyd died. potter, by the way, has been charged with second-degree manslaughter. last night was the seventh straight night of protesters in front of the police station at brooklyn center.

and congresswoman maxine waters took part. >> we have to let people know we're not going to be satisfied unless we get justice in these cases. >> congressman maxine waters will join my colleague jonathan capehart in the sunday show in the next hour. an award-winning civil rights attorney, former president of the minneapolis naacp and founder of the black pearl. the conversation now is narrowing, particularly around this boy who was shot in chicago, about the fact that this was a call about gunfire. there were, apparently, guns present and the boy who was shot may have had a gun until he got rid of it seconds or within a

second of being shot. so, on one hand, was the police doing the right thing in chasing him and trying to apprehend him? on the other hand, they gave him an order to drop the weapon and put his hands up, and then he did it and got shot. >> ali, first of all, thank you for having me. secondly, our system is so broken, it is so skewed against black and brown americans that the real issue is the fact that we can bring a dylan roof into custody after verifiable information that he has murdered nine people. the young man walking down the street in the midof a protest of ar-15 after killing people in cold blood walks past the police and gets a drink of water while he does so. what i don't like to do is one-off this. the one-offs are not going to fix this issue. the system is so morally corrupt and broken that at the end of the day, the issue is that black

and brown