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it is good to be back with you on this second hour of "chris jansing reports." no rest for the storm weary. we are live in florida as crews race to clear the damage from hurricane helene before the other monster storm named milton rolls ashore. forecasters say the intensity is building again. plus, get out now or die. dire evacuation orders set off a scramble with highways clogged and things flying off the shelves. the latest on the storm that could be the worst to hit florida in a century. and when disaster relief turns political. growing spat between kamala harris and florida's governor ron desantis after he reportedly dodged her call. what both sides are saying. and donald trump's

predictions for the storm-ravaged south. they'll still turn out for him even if they have to crawl to the voting booth. we start in tampa, florida, where people trying to evacuate face long lines for gas, standstill traffic, hundreds of cancelled flights. sam brock is there live. what can you tell us about what's happening where you are? >> reporter: right now we're in pinellas county. it's been a carousel of cars in and out of this gas station looking for some place to refuel. they keep asking us, is there gas here? and there isn't. there were traffic jams on the bridges. at this gas station, you'll see a lot of this, plastic bags over pumps, signs that say "please see the cashier," and then it's

boarded up, no cashier. i will give you a lens into the length of this crisis and what people are looking at. i had a conversation with a woman who says she's in evacuation zone d here in pinellas. she said i'm at 16. 10 to 15 feet are the projected storm surge for florida. she said her 16-foot situation is better than most people. yesterday i had a conversation with a couple that was leaving town. they had been hit by hurricane helene and lost their home. they had all their possessions in the back of their truck.

>> all you have left is in your pickup truck? yes. >> and now you're on the move again. >> yeah, unfortunately. >> reporter: the mayor of tampa came out and said we have the fuel. it's at the port of tampa. the issue is just this insatiable demand. we cannot keep up with it. they have fuel tankers who it's not clear can get to the folks who need it. when the last major turn hit directly 100 years ago there were a few thousand people. there are 3 million people in the metro area that have been asked to evacuate. just trying to process those figures is pretty hard to conceive. the topography of tampa, when

you have a storm surge plowing all this water in. it has nowhere to leave. it gets jammed there. so ten to 15 feet, current protection, will be an absolute catastrophe for tampa. that's what on the minds of many folks here as you hear evacuation order after evacuation order. >> when you see a family with everything they have in the back of a pickup. it's sobering to say the least. debris from hurricane helene is piled up along the coast. in sarasota, what are you seeing there? >> reporter: we continue to see debris out on the streets and

neighbors. that of course is problematic because it can get in the way. this is the aftermath of cleanup so far from helene. i want to go back to what you were discussing about evacuation. people might be wondering why they need to heed the warnings from officials. this is a door at a resort that is supposed to swing out. look where it is . it is busted in on a pile of sand. look at the couch, the table, the chairs, all tossed around. in the back left corner, that is a fridge that possiblywas in the storm. we have footage from a drone from earlier to give you an idea

what we're seeing along the coastline. you can see all the piles of sand, all the debris left over from that storm two weeks ago. now we are bracing for a second major hurricane in two weeks. in the middle of a hurricane, there's also a political storm brewing between vice president kamala harris and florida governor ron desantis. nbc's gabe gutierrez is at the white house for us. a gabe, this was all over desantis allegedly dodging harris' phone calls. what do we know about what happened? >> reporter: governor desantis has been busy, of course, dealing with the emergency response in florida. he said he has spoken with president biden as well as the fema administrator. yesterday nbc news broke the story he had been refusing to take the call of kamala harris.

the vice president yesterday called him utterly irresponsible and selfish. governor desantis fired back that she has no role in this. take a listen to what the vice president had to say earlier on "the view." >> we all need to work together to combine resources, federal, state and local resources around these kind of disasters. it's a shame that hasn't happened. look, it has at the local level. >> he'll take your call when you're president. [ applause ] >> here's the thing you should know on that point. and when i'm president, i will continue to call him to see what he needs for help. >> i didn't even know she called. she didn't call me. their characterization of it was something they did. it wasn't anything my office did in terms of saying it was

political. >> reporter: that was a news conference governor desantis had yesterday. overnight he spoke out in another interview on fox news where he said, again, vice president in his view had no role in this. he took offense to her calling him selfish. he pointed out he worked with president biden and president trump as well and has never run into this issue. it seems there is this back and forth with governor desantis calling vice president harris' outreach political. >> gabe, thank you. it's worth noting on one hand governor desantis is saying as vice president she had no role. what exactly is the former president paying? >> the former president is trying to make in the eyes of voters or potential voters kamala harris responsible for anything they don't like about

the hurricane response in any of the affected states. he's been making this point in interviews and on his social media platform where he posted most recently that this storm response is not like any storm in history. he hopes they remember this at the ballot box, which is interesting, because when he was asked a couple days ago about the impacts of the storm. he kind of demurred. listen. >> republican areas got hit very hard. you know that. they got hit very, very hard. i believe and many people are dead. many people are dead. they don't even know what it's going to be in terms of the number. you know they have hundreds are missing. i can't really speak to it. i can only say they're going to go out and vote if they have to

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just minutes ago we got an update from the national hurricane center that hurricane milton has restrengthened now with winds at 155 miles per hour, roaring toward the florida coastline. i want to bring in the deputy director of the national hurricane center jamie rome. what's the very latest? >> milton has reacquired some of its prior strength. these fluctuations both up and down are to be expected with

storms this powerful. i don't want people to get lost in that. you can easily get lost in what it is now. i want people to focus on what it will be when it moves across the florida peninsula. it will be a strong and powerful hurricane when it moves across the florida peninsula. it's going to cut a wide swath of huge impacts across a densely populated portion of the florida peninsula. this is our current hurricane warning in effect thoughing you where the hurricane force winds could be. everyone in this red area needs to be prepared for potential long-term outages. somebody in this purple area is going to get ten to 15 feet of storm surge, roughly double what they experienced with helene. >> republican senator marco rubio put out a tweet saying several years ago he asked the

national hurricane center to show him what the worst case to hit florida would look like, and he's saying what he sees now is almost identical. are we in potentially a nearly worst case scenario with this storm? >> it's a really concerning scenario, because it's not just the power and magnitude of the hurricane that you're looking at. you're looking at how many people could be potentially impacted. in this case with this ten to 15 feet of storm surge, that's a densely populated area of the tampa bay/sarasota area. and extending down the west coast of florida, less surge but still really impactful. this is hurricane force winds moving along the i-4 corridor. you have tampa, daytona,

orlando, a huge portion of the florida peninsula population feeling some type of impact from this system. >> jamie rome of the national hurricane center, thank you for bringing us the very latest. appreciate it. vice president kamala harris facing some tough questions on her big economic push to expand the child tax credit, tax break for first-time home buyers and money for a business startup. >> the question was, how are you going to pay for it? >> i'm going to make sure that the richest among us, who can afford it, pay their fair share in taxes. it is not right that teachers and nurses and firefighters are paying a higher tax rate than billionaires and the biggest corporations. and i plan on making that fair. >> we're dealing with the real world here. >> the real world includes -- >> how are you going to get this through congress?

>> when you talk quietly with congress, they know exactly what i'm talking about, because their constituents know exactly what i'm talking about. >> congress has shown no inclination to move in your direction. >> i disagree with you. >> important context here, new polling from the "new york times" show the economy is the top issue for 28% of likely voters, double that of the second most important issue. symone, did she answer the question? >> she did not go into detail, no, about how she's going to pay for the plan. but i would argue that's not uncommon with presidential candidates or maybe gubernatorial candidates. it's not like there are no contours of how that's going to

happen. she ease talked about racing taxes on the richest people in this country, the proposal that you've heard about no one making under $400,000 will see a change and raise on their taxes. that is a piece of that. if vice president harris is elected as president harris, then her administration during the transition will go through the rigorous task how they plan to rally congress to get this done. in that dana bash interview the vice president had, she noted this would be her day-one agenda. i thought it was a good interview. the vice president knew she was going in for an interview where there was going to be some skeptism about her economic proposals. she today her ground.

>> extra tax credit, helping small businesses, helping you buy your first house are good, but also that she can pull it off. do you think she made progress toward that? >> as a matter of campaigning, she needs to get in front of more people and talk about what she wants to do. to do this on "60 minutes" which always has a huge audience, that's a big win for her. there are a lot of people who are going to decide this election who may vote simply because they don't want donald trump. the deck is stacked against kamala harris. there's a very good chance republicans are going to control the senate. a lot of these big ideas she's talking about, whether you pay for them or not, is probably not

going anywhere. she would be the first president since george h.w. bush who didn't have a congress working to set the advanced agenda. it may force us to get back into bipartisan law making. if you don't want donald trump to be president but you want a big bold agenda, it's appealing. it's a big question of whether it's good for her to be selling this big agenda. >> everybody cares about the economy, right? i want to play what donald trump said about harris' economic policies. >> she wants to go into government housing. she wants to go into government feeding . she wants to feed people. she wants to feed people governmentally. she wants to go into a communist

party type system. when you look at the things she proposes, they're so far off she has no clue. >> i guess that's the comparison, right, from what she said and what he said? >> i guess i could say he should show this on a radio show, but the reality is donald trump doesn't want to face those same questions about his plan. kamala harris' proposals totaling a 3 or 4 billion in spending. the substance doesn't add up for donald trump either. that's why he wants to avoid this scrutiny. that's why he's just talking to people he knows are going to go easy of him. i think what harris is doing

with the right approach. donald trump is not willing to make that tradeoff. >> the campaign has out-raised donald trump. i think a lot of people would agree she's out-messaging him. but that hadn't pulled her outside the margin of error in these polls. what can she do between now and 28 days from now? >> i don't think there's anything that's going to pull vice president harris' campaign out of the margin of error. we haven't had landslide presidential elections in this country for a while. millions and millions of people voted for donald trump in the last election. i do think this is going to be

an election that is record turnout. and i think one of the biggest things that maybe folks - not you, chris, because you've always been right on the money on this, but other people within the media apparatus have missed that this election wasn't close before because maybe some voters thought the president was too old. no. we had to come to a revelation across the board that some people like what donald trump is selling. what the harris campaign has to do is twofold. they need to make this a turnout election, meaning they're going to need to turn out base voters. those base voters. the vice president was looking at pictures of when she was

elected district attorney in san francisco and a photo of when she was sworn in as vice president. she talked about how people have the power, and because people voted these two photos were possible. it was the power of people at the ballot box. that is what's going to help move people to vote. the republicans and true independents are undecided maybe between kamala harris or donald trump. those are the two things that are happening and need to happen, but this is going to be close. >> the thing we haven't had a chance to talk about on "60 minutes" both she and liz cheney seemed to be surprised where they were and understandably so. but there they were together on "60 minutes."

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genetically predisposed to commit crimes. >> how about allowing people to come to an open border, 13,000 of which were murderers, many of them murdered far more than one person, and they're now happily living in the united states. now, a murderer -- i believe this -- it's in their genes, and we got a lot of bad genes in our country right now. >> the trump campaign issued a statement saying president trump was clearly referring to murderers not migrants. joining us, ashley parker, senior correspondent for the "washington post." and vaughn hilliard has been covering the trump campaign. this is not the only example of trump using increasingly harsh rhetoric toward migrants. >> we have bad genes in this country right now poisoning the blood of this country. these are words of the potential

next president of the united states of america. that number he put out there, that's a misrepresentation of the number that doesn't account for individuals detained by state and local authorities. also that includes that 13,000 individuals who came into the country before joe biden took office. >> and before joe biden took office was when he was in office. >> correct. there is a long history of debunked race science in the u.s. it's not true. yet what we see from donald trump is a suggestion that genes are part of what leads migrants to go and kill people. when we talk about 100 years ago it was eugenics that have strict quotas on individuals that come

in from certain parts of the world. we have seen the debunked race science used to justify racial inequalities, justify eugenics, justify racism. in 2024 we're talking about this again. we should note back in 2020 donald trump held a rally in minnesota with a nearly all-white crowd. he looked out at that crowd and said there's a lot of good genes in this crowd. and referring to himself a year before that, he said, i have good genes, i believe stuff like that. >> you wrote about donald trump's imaginary and frightening world. does he genuinely believe what he's saying? does he think it helps him? tell us part of your reporting. >> sure. part of the reason i pulled that

stuff together was combiing what trump did in the white house. it's this grotesque vision and utterly fictitious what was portraying. there are some things he would say, like people can't go and get a loaf of bread without getting shot, mugged or killed. or you send your kid to school on the bus and they come home with gender- affirming surgery. these things are not true. not all, it covered a range of topics but in rhetoric really did have to do with immigration. there was the false claim about immigrants eating their neighbors' cats and dogs. there was the false claim in colorado about the apartment complex he says was taken over

by venezuelan gang members. that is not true. once it is brought to his attention through fact checks and people reaching out to his campaign, he doesn't stop saying it. he continues to repeat it. >> your colleague also noted that trump does this with non-immigrant groups. he's conflated jewish americans with israel. sometimes it's dystopian. sometimes it's range. for example, take a listen to this. >> gaza is in ruins. could gaza be monaco if it was built, rebuilt the right way? could someone make gaza into something that all the palestinian people would be proud of, would want to live in, would benefit them? >> it could be better than monaco. it has the best location in the middle east, the best water, the best everything.

i've said it for years. you know, i've been there, and it's a rough place before all of the attacks and back and forth what's happened over the last couple years. i said, wow, look at this. >> well, the "new york times" says there's no record of him visiting. a campaign aide said gaza is in israel, obviously not, and that mr. trump has visited israel. does this race questions, if nothing else, about how trump would handle the incredibly complex situation in the middle east if elected? just this idea that, first of all, he's saying he's been where they have no record of him going. but also talking about a country that's ripped apart by war where thousands of people have died and fled and talking about monaco.

>> right. first, there's a couple things to unpack there. there's a tremendous humanitarian crisis going on in gaza right now. from that clip you just played, it sounds like trump is kind of staking out the next potential location for a very luxurious trump tower, right, which is not what the situation called for. and also putting together whether he has something for voters to decide. these could be part of that decision. going back to the beginning of this segment, it tells us something about his and his campaign's relationship to the truth. he said something that is 100% not true. there's no record of him being been to gaza. he's been to israel. when confronted, they defend it and explain it with another

utterly false statement that gaza is part of israel, which even if you went to the most unreliable source on the internet, it could probably tell you it's not true. then they put that out there for republican consumption. >> there are other hard liners who talk about annexing gaza. thank you both so much for being here. coming up, the dire warning for millions around tampa. if you stay, you'll die. the city's police chief talking to us. we want to begin with hurricane specialist john morales. john, now this hurricane is a category 5? >> yes. that nice just came out right now. it's just an incredible, incredible, incredible hurricane. it has dropped -- it has dropped

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hunters flying directly into the storm, which you can see it's violently shaking the plane and its crew. hurricane milton right now barreling toward the florida coastline toward the tampa areas, which is bracing for what could be its first direct hit from a major hurricane in more than a hundred years. this is comes less than two weeks after helene pummelled the area, bringing up to 15 feet of storm surge. helene left communities in ruin with a surge of four to eight feet. four to eight feet now could be 15. tampa's mayor says this will be the storm of the century. he has a stark warning for residents in evacuation zones. >> this is literally catastrophic. i can say without any dramatization, if you choose to stay in one of those evacuation areas, you're going to die. >> joe biden is talking about

this right now. let's listen live. >> listen to the local authorities. follow safety instructions, including evacuation orders. this is serious. we got to be safe, because people are dying. people have died so far, not from this hurricane, but from the last one. folks, let me get to today's event. thank you for sharing your family story. you said it all. the worse thing i know from experience for a parent is something happening to your children. >> joe biden at an event that is about infrastructure and creating jobs in milwaukee, talking about being prepared and making sure to listen to local authorities. joining me now is a local authority, tampa bay chief lee berkhough. thank you for joining me. i think you're actually at the tampa bay buccaneers stadium. you guys are staging there now.

tell me what's happening right now to prepare for this monster storm? >> sure. the mayor said it right. it's the storm of the century. we're hunkering down in re raymond james stadium, home of the tampa bay buccaneers. when the storm is over, we can start our recovery and entry efforts. >> tell us the latest about what you're hearing about when this storm is going to hit. obviously there's concern that it hitting at night creates other problem with the tide and people not being able to see. what's your biggest concern right now? >> it is slowing down as it is approaching. the latest we've heard is a direct hit around 2:00 a.m. on thursday morning, which is not good for us. the storm surge is going to be

up to 15 feet. in helene we had four to eight feet. we had one elderly lady who didn't want to evacuate, and i was explaining to her that her house would be underwater. the mayor was exactly right. if people don't evacuate in zone a or b, it could be life-threatening. >> we're showing on our split screen people heading from orlando and naples, long lines of cars, including using the shoulders, but very slow going. i think you heard the president of the united states say listen to local authorities. so what do you want to say to people, particularly those who think maybe, just maybe, i can ride out this storm? >> here's the thing. we want to reassure everybody they're going to be safe, but i can't do that if they stay in

that evacuation zone. i can promise them i'm not going to put my officers in harm's way to come out during the peak of the storm. you will be on your own if you don't heed our warning. listen to local authorities, listen to myself, listen to the mayor and obviously listen to the president of the united states. >> what are you doing for the folks for who it will be difficult to move, people who are hospitalized, people in nursing homes, for example? my colleague tom llamas did speak to the facilities chief at tampa bay general. i know they have this big aqua fence. let me play what he said and talk to you on the other side. >> facilities chief dustin pastor checking the aqua fence. he hopes it's strong enough for milton. >> 12 feet with high tide gets

us close to our limit here. that's concerning. >> i don't need to tell you they're talking about potentially 15 feet. what kind of coordination do you have going on with places? are there places where people will have to stay? >> we have a massive coordination going on. the tampa bay area is about 3 million residents. inside the city alone is nearly half a million. out of that half a million, we're attempting to evacuate nearly 200,000 residents. that is a huge undertaking. i have every single one of my thousand officers here today in that process. we are working with our neighboring counties, all over our local, state and federal resources with an outpouring of support. we need everyone to pay heed to that warning so we can limit the loss of life. >> i will state the obvious. we can't say it enough. if people make a decision to put

their lives in danger and you have to rescue them, you put their lives on the line too. i thank you and all the officers being there to do their jobs under these extraordinary circumstances. good luck. >> thank you. still ahead, new reporting about the world's richest man and his plans to hit the campaign trail for donald trump in pennsylvania. you're watching "chris jansing reports" on msnbc. "chris jansing reports" on msnbc. when my doctor gave me breztri for my copd,

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the world's richest person is now ramping up efforts to elect donald trump. a source familiar with his plan says elon musk will be back in the key swing state of pennsylvania. just this weekend, you might recall, musk joined trump at his rally in butler wearing a black maga hat and saying, quote, i am not just maga, i am dark maga. for more on the battle for pennsylvania, i want to turn to nbc philadelphia's lauren mayk live in erie. so, this is the battleground of battlegrounds. what are voters telling you? >> reporter: yeah, chris, what we are seeing and hearing are those divisions that show up in the polls, whether that is going through a neighborhood and seeing trump signs and kamala

harris signs in the same neighborhood on the same street or a woman told me this morning that she had recently unfriended her sister-in-law because her husband's family is split, they don't all politically agree. and we are seeing those divisions and hearing from people. this is why we wanted to do this trip around pennsylvania. we're based in the philadelphia area. but we wanted to understand how voters feel in different communities around pennsylvania. we spent some time the past few days in the allegheny county area, the pittsburgh area, in particular learning about what fracking means to voters there. because that's not something that means as much to voters in the philadelphia area. and right now, we are in erie county. and this morning, i stopped at a diner and i talked to some voters, talked to a voter voting for vice president kamala harris, and one voting for former president trump, about how they see the race right now. take a listen.

what do you think her chances are of winning? >> i think she has a chance. i really do. because there's a lot of us women voters out there, pennsylvania women voters, who won the election for joe biden last time. >> going to be very, very tight. although might be bigger than some people are thinking because i think there is a lot of hidden trump voters. >> reporter: so, erie county is considered a bellwether county, it is a swing county inside a swing state. it voted for obama. it voted for trump, and then it voted for president biden. i asked that last gentleman you heard from about why he thinks that is, why it goes back and forth, he says he doesn't think that it is because people -- voters are switching back and

forth, it is just about who comes out that year. chris, back to you. >> lauren mayk, interesting stuff, thank you. you can catch lauren on her special reporting trip throughout the commonwealth. check out nbc 10 philadelphia's coverage, "battleground politics across pennsylvania." join .s. for "chris jansing reports" every week day here on msnbc. our coverage continues with katy tur reports next. continues wity tur reports next at humana, we believe your healthcare should evolve with you, and part of that evolution means choosing the right medicare plan for you. humana can help. hi, my name is sam davis and i'm going to

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