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this image from inside of a military deportation flight out of tucson, arizona. ice reporting 538 arrests were made yesterday across the united states, 165 of them being non-criminal arrests. now, we should note that these numbers are relatively modest for a so-called ice surge and are lower than when trump first took office in 2017. but local officials are still preparing for an uphill battle. raids already happening in sanctuary cities. federal agents seen entering homes in boston and surveillance footage obtained by nbc showing ice agents outside of a newark, new jersey, fish market where an immigration raid took place yesterday. new york's mayor saying united states citizens, including a veteran, were unlawfully detained alongside undocumented immigrants without any warrants being present. >> the problem with it is that

ice in there without a warrant, we can disagree about whether you support mass mass deportation or not, but what we must agree on is that the thing that separates this country from many other countries around the world is the constitution of the united states. >> joining me now is jason johnson, politics professor with morgan state university and an msnbc political analyst. jason, it's always so good to see you. i have to ask you, straight out of the gate is this first week what we've seen so far? is it worse? is it better? i have to put that in quotes. right, my friend, or is it pretty much on par with what you expected it to be? >> you know, honestly, katy, it depends on who you ask, right? >> i mean. >> i think there are some people in america who this is more or less what they expected. there are some people in america who are now out of jobs because executive orders have ended. funding for everything from cancer research to environmental

research. and then there are families that are being torn apart right now because of possibly unconstitutional raids on people of various ethnicities and supposed backgrounds. so i don't i don't know if it's better or worse. i know it's terrible. i know this is not a sustainable way of functioning in a democracy. and unfortunately, i think we have just seen the beginnings of this. we already have reports of people in these raids being taken who are puerto ricans. puerto ricans are american citizens. it's not as if these people are operating. they're not surgeons. they're ax murderers. right? so they're just going to grab large groups of people who appear to be latino, who appear to be afro-caribbean, who appear to be, you know, not necessarily from this country. and they'll be sorted out later. and that's a problem. >> well. >> and, jason, you're so polite about this, but let's be very clear. it's rounding up and taking the people that are brown, that are black, that are not white. yeah, that's what we're hearing is happening for

these immigration raids. we're also hearing reports on social media, for example, that they're going into isis, going into hospital wings, they're going into schools, they're going into places that are supposed to be secure, safe locations. previously in the biden administration, trump hates bad optics. i don't care what anybody says about how thick his skin can be. he hates bad optics. your thoughts about how this is going to play out for him, considering the these images of ice, for example, going into people's homes. >> katie, it's not going to hurt him at all. first off, he hasn't been in office for more than a week. like, it's not like his polling numbers are going to be affected. and it's not as if this administration cares about polling numbers. there was a story i read in the houston chronicle earlier this week of immigration activists talking to republican latino pastors who were trump supporters, who who have literally said repeatedly, well, we don't think he's really going to do it, and we don't

think it's going to affect us. the people who have decided that they wanted to vote for this, the minority of people, because the vast majority of americans either didn't vote or voted for harris. the majority of the people who voted for this, this is what they voted for. this is what they voted for, even though they don't think it's going to affect them, even though they don't think it's going to touch them. this is what they voted for. so i don't think any of those people are affected. i don't think donald trump cares anything about optics. if he did, he might have done something about elon musk's behavior earlier this week at his inauguration. so optics are not a concern to this administration. what they want to do is shock the american public with how draconian and over the top their initial behavior can be, in the hopes of crushing any sort of dissent, resistance, or actual critical reporting on what they're doing. >> okay. and that's where the line in the sand has to be drawn then, right, jason? it's the underestimation of real, true american patriots who are not going to be cowed into submission by seeing what happens to their fellow citizens. they actually will

rise up. the idea being, though, i you know, i had a conversation with the mayor of newark that that we're going to hear from shortly, and i've had conversations with other people. for example, the connecticut attorney general, william tong, who's a part of the, you know, birthright citizenship executive order litigation. i mean, there's some very calculated, very planned reactions that are happening to this on the, quote, opposition side to what donald trump is doing. and so is trump doing this to his own folly, though, jason, in terms of underestimating how people are going to react to this. >> oh, no. no. look again, katie, the people who like this is this is a cult, right? like the people who voted for this, again, they are perfectly willing to deal with this because they don't think it's going to affect them. those who didn't support this or didn't think it was going to believe it was going to happen. they are being represented by, as you said, the mayor of newark, the mayor of chicago, gavin newsom, the mayor of los angeles. there are multiple mayors and governors throughout this

country who are saying this is not how we're supposed to operate. these are human rights violations. it's inefficient. it's ridiculously expensive. by the way, katie, none of this, none of these executive orders, none of these roundups of brown people and tan people and different kinds of people in america. none of this does anything for the price of eggs. i hope we can dispel any of those ridiculous myths that were promoted over the last 18 months that any of this had to do with actual economic policy. this is, as adam sewer wrote, it's the cruelty is the point. so i don't i think we're making a mistake if we think that this incoming administration is worried that they'll go too far. no, this is what they were elected to do. this is what they said they wanted to do. so either people are in favor of it. people don't think it's going to hit them or people are fighting against it. but this is just the beginning. you think that they're not going to do worse things by the time they really get their feet under them. they don't even have the whole administration together. so i don't think no one, no one at the white house right now is concerned about how this looks. >> so let's also talk about the

fact then, that we're learning today that the biden era protection that was provided to certain people that were here on humanitarian parole status, temporary status from places like cuba. and i'm going to talk about cuba specifically because i'm here in florida. right. and we know that latinos for trump, there were a lot of cubans that voted for him. and let me be clear, the people that are here on temporary protected status are not voting. they're not supposed to be voting, right? they're not voting, but they're parts of family units that are here. they're part of the mixed family units that we talk a lot about. it also includes nicaraguans, haitians that i personally think are always treated very poorly when it comes to humanitarian issues. but it's nicaraguans, cubans, haitians, it's venezuelans, which we know, you know, the status of things in venezuela is bad. these are people, though, again, that helped carry not the ones that are getting going to be deported, but they're the ones that have maybe family members, for example, that voted for trump, that helped carry him into the white house for a

second term. you don't think that there's going to be any type of negative impact from that. and listen, i probably know what you're going to tell me, jason, but i do find it hard to believe that there's not going to be some type of pushback from this type of actions that are being taken. >> katie, the election was only two and a half months ago. what are people going to do? they're going to they're going to they're going to get online, like the viral tweet from a gentleman whose, you know, wife lost her job because there's been a hiring freeze begging trump because i'm a maga supporter. this administration doesn't care. and the people who voted for this are going to lie to themselves and say, well, maybe the great potter familia is hiding in the white house right now will think differently because we're some of the good ones. the idea of he's going to treat us differently or he's going to face consequences are over there. over. there was four years of the biden administration to make trump and any of his followers face consequences legal, political or cultural. and that didn't happen. so it's certainly not going to come from voters. >> sorry, jason. i apologize for

interrupting you, my friend. what we're seeing right now on everybody's screen is governor gavin newsom, the california governor, meeting president donald trump and the first lady, melania trump. this is actually taking place in los angeles, california. it's happening live. and trump is here. excuse me. trump is in california. excuse me to be able to tour some of the wildfire damage. he's going to be taking questions from the press right now. >> it's very good shape. we have the congressman in charge and michael whatley, and we're going to do a lot of work. we have the army corps of engineers working as they are here. and i think you're going to see some very big progress. they left them high and dry. and now we're going to be taking a little tour with some of the people from the area. i appreciate the governor coming out and meeting me, kevin, very much. and we'll be talking a little bit. we want to get it fixed. we want to get the

problem fixed. and there'll be some ways, but it's like you got hit by a bomb, right? yeah. like you got hit by a bomb. would you like to say something? >> and most. >> importantly. >> thank you for being here. >> it means. >> a. >> great deal to. >> all of us. >> and not just the folks in palisades, the folks in altadena that. were devastated. we're going to need your support. we're going to need your help. you were there for us during covid. >> i don't. >> forget that. and i have all the. expectations that we'll be able to work together to get the speedy recovery. >> we're going to get it done. tremendous numbers of lives have been affected. a lot of real estate has been affected. nobody's ever probably seen anything like this. you could almost say since the second world war. when you think of it, i mean, nothing like this has happened and we're going to get it fixed, so we'll get it permanently fixed so it can't happen again and again. we'll be talking a little bit later and we'll get it worked out okay. i

appreciate it, mr. president. thank you, thank you, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> both of you have disagreed a lot over the past week over what has happened in this state. how do you plan to. >> to get it finished? we're looking to get something completed. and the way you get it completed is to work together. it's the governor of the state and we're going to get it completed. they're going to need a lot of federal help. unless you don't need any. would you be okay? we're going to need a lot of federal help. so we're going to take care of things. okay. >> i have all the confidence in the world. we'll work that out. >> thank you. thank you. i guess some of you are coming with us and some of you are not. thank you very much. thank you. i'll see you. >> so what we've been seeing is california governor gavin newsom meeting with president trump and the first lady, melania trump in california, president trump in california to be able to tour the wildfire damage that has

happened in california. it was a remarkably cordial and civil discourse that went on between governor newsom and president trump, and markedly different than when they're tweeting or posting on social media. but we heard from both newsom and jason, you're back. thank you so much for waiting. you know, jason, i mean, obviously, governor newsom is not going to be calling out trump. maybe he could have about trump saying, you know what, we're going to get rid of fema. we're going to revamp fema and saying that trump saying that governor newsom is responsible for the wildfire damage because he spent too much time on smelt a fish. and that's the reason why the hydrants went dry, which is a lie. by the way, ladies and gentlemen, that's a lie that there was too much attention to smelt or that the hydrants went dry. i mean, jason, your thoughts about what we just saw, again, a very cordial back and forth with newsom and trump. >> well, it was an example of how governors are going to have

to interact with this president. what struck me, in all honesty, katy, is not just that president trump had been attacking gavin newsom, blaming gavin newsom and blaming karen bass for wildfires, which really are the result in some cases of arson, but mostly because of climate change, climate change that gavin newsom felt it necessary to say, we're not going to forget what you did for us during covid, when in fact, during covid, donald trump didn't want to send help to california or any blue states because he said, why should i send places? why should i send assistance to places who didn't vote for me? so this is the way in which governors are going to have to interact with this new administration. you're going to have to flatter them extremely to get humanitarian aid. and i'll say this, katy, because i think this is extremely important. i spent some time in los angeles during these wildfires. these are massive, massive environmental issues. it's not just a matter of people losing their homes in pacific palisades, losing their homes in altadena and other places. the air quality has been affected by so many houses being burned, so the amount of effort that's needed there is not just aid,

not just people who've lost homes and people who've lost jobs, but we need a strong epa. we need scientific research on what the air quality is in the area, how it's been affected by these fires, and how to look after people in long term. and that doesn't seem like something that this new administration is interested in, given some of the executive orders and the freezing of hiring and research. >> well. >> our hearts and hopefully the federal wallet will open up to help the people in california that need it so badly. jason johnson, thank you again for your patience and for getting us started tonight, i appreciate it. and coming up, trump's controversial pick to run the pentagon, pete hegseth taking heat from some republican senators with the full vote set for tonight. plus, we've got joyce vance on new reporting swirling around the right wing figure, kash patel, who could lead trump's fbi. all of that and james carville live on the and james carville live on the beat. we're back in just 90s. ♪ upbeat music ♪

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and break the tie. at this hour, there are no other hard gop no's, but several have expressed reservations and the heat is rising this week with new allegations of wrongdoing, which hegseth has denied. also tonight, donald trump, facing new accusations of playing politics with a national emergency. he's arrived in los angeles, as you've seen here, he's there to tour wildfire damage, greeted by california mayor gavin newsom. newsom and trump have been publicly feuding over the response to the wildfires. earlier today, trump toured north carolina, where he demanded where he went after he demanded that conditions for california disaster relief while pushing false claims about water management in that state. >> president funding to los angeles. >> because of. >> its sanctuary city policy. >> i want to see two things in los angeles voter id, so that the people have a chance to vote, and i want to see the water be released and come down into los angeles and throughout

the state. those are the two things. after that, i will be the greatest president that california ever has ever seen. >> trump has repeatedly talked about this so-called water conspiracy, but experts say he's wrong and that he's conflating multiple issues. trump also getting fact checked on the economy. the washington post saying he made multiple false or exaggerated claims when talking to world leaders this week, including getting it very wrong on inflation. while trump critics are questioning whether he's already taking his eye off the ball regarding inflation, pointing to this striking exchange with fox's sean hannity. >> he turned off the spigot from up north in order to protect the delta smelt. >> let me move. >> on to the. and by the way, i don't really believe it's the delta smelt because nobody could do that. somebody somebody advised joe biden to give pardons to everybody but him.

they wanted to take care of me. yeah, but they wanted to i don't care. >> they're yelling. >> at me. this is more important because right now the economy is going to do great. i want to know i'm here. so the economy. but you have to understand, he had bad advisers on almost everything. it's like in the old days when the secretary of state said he never made a correct decision on foreign policy. joe biden got very bad advice. >> sean hannity not getting a word in edgewise. joining me now is james carville, legendary democratic strategist. i mean, james, i'm personally not surprised that that that sean couldn't get a word in edgewise. but anyway, on a fascism scale of 1 to 10, with ten being peak fascism, how would you rate trump's first week? >> well. >> i know delta smelt. >> i mean, look, he just says anything that he wants to say. i mean, how many stories i have to read that the delta smelt has nothing to do with this, but he's just going to keep plowing through, okay. and we have to learn as democrats just let him punch himself out. just

remember, this is a little bit before your time. but people of my generation remember muhammad ali and his rope a dope. he just let you just go to it the first 6 or 7 rounds, and then you come in and you match up, and then you start launching bombs. and it's hard to sit here and just look at one, you know, greenland, canada, canal zone, delta smelt that, you name it. but you. just you just got to keep bobbing and weaving and bobbing and weaving. and then in due course you're going to be able to come in. but the big thing is his number one promise, the biggest political promise this generation is he would get food prices down. then he got into office and said, there's nothing i can do about it. of course, eggs are $4 and something a dozen. and he keeps distracting us and we keep getting distracted. but we'll come back in and we'll we'll straddle this target and get it in range here before long, i think. >> yeah. well the but but my eggs has become the new kind of

retort. right. let's focus on kind of what's happening tonight then the senate is looking to confirm pete hegseth tonight. there were some blows, i think, glancing albeit if we're going to stick with the muhammad ali kind of analogy here, there was some glancing blows that were that landed, i think, during the confirmation hearings. and the reason why we know that happened a little bit is you got at least two gop senators who are the traditional naysayers and murkowski and collins that always have some concerns, quote unquote. they're no, they're a hard no, which i'm grateful for. but it looks like trump isn't actually even 100% sure about his on again, off again buddy, mitch mcconnell, your thoughts about whether or not mitch mcconnell gets a spine on this confirmation? >> you know, i assume that he's going to vote. yes. i mean, you know, he ran that caucus for so long, and even if he votes no, vance is going to be you know, he might he might be saving unless somebody else wants some vulnerable incumbent vote. no. but they got another vote to spare because as you correctly

pointed out, if it's a tie vote, then vice president jd vance would be able to break the tie. and who cares? i mean, it's not horseshoes and hand grenades. if you confirm by one vote, he confirmed by 100 votes, it's the same effect. but i do think that the democratic senators are making them pay somewhat of a price for supporting this. and the more evidence that comes out, the more evidence that's being hidden, the more people that they don't talk to. it builds a case. it's just it's going to take time. you're not going to get instant results. and we just got to keep bobbing and weaving and rope a dope here. so far they're doing okay. >> james, you're from the great state of louisiana. i'm based out of florida. you and i are no strangers to natural disasters. float. trump floated today getting rid of fema. i mean, we just heard him before you came on trying to condition aid to california on voter id and talking about water coming down

from the north to the south. i mean, i get your point that we need to keep on bobbing and weaving, but is there a critical mass, do you think that we reach, though an accumulative effect of having something like aid federal aid from an agency that we've always recognized for decades as being around to help all americans, regardless of political party, that it's going to blow up in his face a little bit on this. >> it is. and the thing is, it's going to take it'll take a little time. it's starting to it's going up now. let's take thing the reason we live in a country. you're from florida. i'm from louisiana. we have a hurricane, which we're all very familiar with, but maybe too familiar with. you can't the state of louisiana, new orleans metropolitan area cannot deal with all the things that come with hurricanes, the deaths, flooding, storm surges, excessive rain, wind damage, the emergency stress on emergency services. et cetera. et cetera. that's why you have a national government. all right. same

thing is true in southwest florida that i was just in. and everybody i talked to, i would ask what's what's the effects of the latest storm. they said, oh, i have water in my house. i, they had to get back up and running. and southwest florida is not sufficient to take care of its own business. when you have a disaster of this level that just like we have in the forest, the fires in los angeles, well, it would be ridiculous to live in a country and say, well, i'm just going to let california deal with it, because california's whole system is stressed. literally every available firefighter is justifiably there. every dollar in resources is going to try to protect these people's homes and get them rebuilt. that's why you have a united states of america. that's the exact reason that we founded this country, that there were certain things that we need. and i would say that emergency preparedness and emergency relief is very part of the rationale of having a country and anybody that's in we all live in a disaster zone of

one of one kind or another, you know, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, natural, any kind of disaster. you can think of the flooding for sure. and that that's just and more this is going to come about. just understand this is not stopping. you're just going to go up exponentially. >> well, it's going to get worse because of climate change, which is something that trump has denied. and trump administration is not embracing whatsoever. very quickly before i got to let you go, james, you know, steve bannon famously said that they're just going to flood the zone with ish. i'll use that word before i get edited out. >> i'll say fecal matter. i think i can. >> say. >> fecal matter. okay. there. we're on the same page. so and listen, i get it. and i love the idea of bobbing and weaving, because i agree that i think that we kind of stay on our toes and if we prepare for it. but this guy has been installed in office for four years, and that's a long time to be bobbing and weaving. where are the achilles heels, in your opinion, right now that we could actually take immediate action to do? again? i understand we're resigned to four years, but where are the achilles heels? we

can do immediate action and immediate harm. >> we've got midterm elections coming up. recruiting is very important, and if we show to potential candidates that we're very effective at doing this, we're not going to control the executive branch of government. that's that's a given. but understand they have a 1 or 2 vote majority in the house. we can easily do that. we have an objective to work for you. look, i'm as distraught as you are. anybody watching this network right now about the results or where we are in the country. but, you know, you can say the marine corps, you can wish in one hand and spit another. they actually don't say spit because it's a family network. we'll say spit another and see which one fills up the fastest. and, you know, we where we're faced with. and i do think that we need a rope, a dope. we need to be clever. we don't have power, but there are a lot of things at our disposal as we get closer to the election, it will continue, but we need to just keep bringing this up. bringing this up. they got a lot of tough votes to

make. a. speak to jeffers, a leader. schumer. look, if they want to do something to advance american people, we willing to go and do something to advance the oligarchs. we not everything they do is going to advance the interests of oligarchs. they don't have to worry about that. it's all coming. >> we got it and we got to get started. now we can't wait. we got to get started now, especially with the midterms right around the corner. james carville, i'm going to start boning up on all of my louisiana sayings because i keep up with you. thanks for being here, my friend. it's good. >> to see you. >> thank you. thank you for having katie. and you have a great weekend. thank you very much. >> you too. still ahead, new signs of donald trump's authoritarian bent during his first week in office. but first, the latest on trump's retribution plans and his personal pick to run the fbi. personal pick to run the fbi. we've got joyce vance. she's ♪ rinse it out ♪ ♪ every now and then ♪ ♪ i get a little bit tired of the stinks ♪ ♪ that just will never come out ♪ ♪ pour downy in the rinse, jade ♪ ♪ every now and then i rinse it out! ♪

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>> the biggest. >> problem the fbi has had has. >> come out of its intel shops. i break that component out of it. i'd shut down the fbi hoover building on day one and >> so to be clear, there is no, quote, deep state. the new york times reporting today. patel quote, sees deep state plotters in government, though, and some good in qanon. a far right conspiracy theory. one professor who has long studied conspiracy theories saying, quote, to me that is a conspiratorial mindset. now, this is all raising concern, since the fbi's whole job is to uphold the law based on facts and on evidence. patel also has an enemies list filled with people who he says are part of the, quote, deep state. fact check they're not. trump's attorney general nominee pam bondi, trying to assuage concerns about that list during her own confirmation hearing.

>> would you have hired. >> someone into the florida attorney general's office. >> who you knew. >> had an enemies list? >> senator, to. cut to the chase. >> you're clearly. >> talking about. >> kash patel. i believe that. kash is the right person. >> at. >> this time for this job. >> and. >> i'm questioning you. >> right. >> now about whether. >> you will enforce an enemies list. >> that he. >> announced publicly on television. >> oh, senator. i'm sorry. there will never be an enemies list. >> within the department of justice. >> hopefully pam bondi keeps her word. meanwhile, trump has signed a flurry of executive orders, including one aimed at, quote, weaponization, which the new york times calls a, quote, roadmap for retribution, writing, it's a quote, the beginnings of a far more methodical approach by trump to root out his perceived enemies within the government compared with his first term. joining me now for more is joyce vance, former united states attorney and msnbc legal analyst. joyce,

it's good to see you. what questions? if you were a democratic senator, would you pose to kash patel at his confirmation hearing? well, i'm going to push. >> back on the. question a little bit, just to say that there. are two. >> areas of concern about patel, right? one is his qualifications. is he qualified for the job? the other is his judgment. i think it's pretty easy to dispense with qualification. this is someone who never rose above, essentially a line level prosecutor now being offered the job of fbi director. so let's let's just put a marker on qualification when it comes to judgment. i think the initial question you have to ask is about this enemies list, because this is someone who has written in his book that there are people who should be prosecuted. he has said that in public. look, we cannot have an fbi director with a revenge agenda, and he has to be asked about that very clearly. and something that i know we all noticed in this first go round of hearings

for pam bondi. and it's tough when you're a senator, you only have just so much time. you want to move on and get to all of your questions, but you've got to go ahead and nail him down. and if he doesn't answer, you have to stay on it until you get an answer. do you have a revenge list? will you engage in revenge prosecutions on your own behalf and on donald trump's behalf? >> joyce. >> but what are the consequences, though? because i kind of feel like i have to follow up. let's just say that he says during his confirmation hearing that he won't maintain an enemies list and that he will not do politicized investigations as the director of the i. but then, lo and behold, that ends up happening. what's what's the consequence for something like that, though? >> you know, it used to be that we could rely on the answers nominees gave during confirmation hearings. and then came the era of people who promised that roe versus wade was good law and seemed to not feel that way once they came on the supreme court. so i take the point of your question, which is that these answers aren't

enforceable by any way other than regard for your reputation and shame. and that may be something that's outmoded and a little bit of dated in this administration. so i think to your point, senators have to evolve their questions and nail down nominees, and particularly kash patel. do you intend to prosecute jack smith? and they need to rehearse that. there can only be a prosecution if it meets the standards set forth for federal prosecutors, that you have to have a good faith belief that there's sufficient evidence to obtain and sustain a conviction, and that if you don't have that, you don't commence prosecution. he has to be asked if he'll abide by those guidelines. >> so, joyce, you've worked closely with the fbi for decades. when you were a federal prosecutor, you were the united states attorney in your district. we do see this loyalty that comes from kash patel when it comes to donald trump. is it just a foregone conclusion, then, that we will not see an

independent fbi under kash patel's leadership? >> well, i think that's another subject for senators to take up. but the signs that we see aren't great. look, shortly after donald trump took over the justice department, an innocuous memo was issued. it's the charging and sentencing memo. most administrations issue a new one. what's unusual about this one is that the attorney general is not confirmed. she's not in the building. it's usually the attorney general's memo. we call it the holder memo or the sessions memo. pam bondi, not yet the attorney general. and it leaves me, it leads me to the conclusion that the white house is calling the shots in the justice department. will kash patel be a force to prevent that? i think it's very unlikely. >> well, gosh, joyce, that was a not not not exactly the most inspiring end, but i always appreciate the honesty and the transparency that comes. joyce vance, thanks for being here.

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unlawful. i want to turn to ras baraka, the mayor of newark, new jersey. mayor, i appreciate you taking the time to join us this evening. i'm looking at what immigration and customs enforcement claims. they're saying that they were doing a quote. they were conducting field work, and that's why they ended up at this particular location in newark. but i think you and i both know that that just sounds like it's an excuse, right? >> it's just a broad term field where it could be anything, you know, going into somebody's store and going behind beyond all of the common places and going to get people out of the kitchen and out of the back asking them to show their ids, their passports, taking pictures of them, taking their fingerprints. even a us military vet as well showed him his id, and they kind of made mockery of it, as if it wasn't real.

>> you know, mayor, one of the key components about what happened in your city was the fact that this was a warrantless raid. why is that such a key issue when it comes to ice being able to conduct these types of immigration operations? >> right. you know, like i said earlier, that we could disagree with folks on immigration policy. we can disagree with, you know, people who believe that immigrants in this community are taking away from the economy and not adding to it, whether immigrants are criminals or not. the one thing we have to agree on is the constitution of the united states. this is the document that makes our country different than most other countries around the world. the constitution allows us to be free from illegal search and seizure, to be secure in our persons, our papers, our property without. and these things can't be abridged without due process. like you cannot just walk up to somebody and say, show me your papers in the privacy of their

business, their home, or wherever they are. i mean, i don't know how you determine who is undocumented and who is a criminal by looking at them. >> well, i'm glad that you bring that up, because some of the reporting that we've seen indicates that the manager of this ocean food depot restaurant, a privately owned restaurant, the owner, excuse me, said, and this is what really gets me, mayor, that ice came in and started questioning the puerto ricans that were located there, but that they actually look like they were avoiding the, quote, american workers or the white workers. this is w w be working while brown. right. this is a specifically targeted group of people. they're not going and checking for the immigration status of the white people that are working there, right? >> absolutely. and this this is a slippery, slippery slope. and

anybody that loves democracy, that loves the constitution should be opposed to this on its face, to violate people's constitutional rights under the guise that you're looking for criminals or immigrants or migrants or whatever the excuse is, is, is dangerous, right? and it's dangerous to all of us, because if we allow people to do this to you today, then we allow them to do it to me tomorrow. it's important for us to uphold the constitution of the united states and make sure everybody has due process, that you need a warrant. you can't just go in people's private quarters in the business that they own and ask them for their papers, for their documents, for their id, if they have not committed a crime. >> and let's also talk about how outrageous it is that one of the people that was detained yesterday and questioned by ice included a united states veteran. that's definitely some part of the coverage that is really kind of reaching peak outrage by by those of us that are hearing what's going on. can you share a little bit more

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>> he fired u.s. coast guard commandant admiral linda fagan. >> an executive order cloaked in orwellian doublespeak that could lay the groundwork for prosecutions of biden administration officials. >> he pardoned the january 6th rioters. >> including proud boys. oath keepers. >> this is textbook authoritarian takeover 101 tactics. >> that's all in just the past few days. the new york times calling this, quote trump 2.0 bans, purges and retribution. here are some more of the details. as many as 20 key career officials at the department of justice have been reassigned. the ap noting that that's not standard. the new administration has, quote, sidelined about 160 national security council staffers, telling them to work from home

while the administration reviews staffing. it's a lot. and taken altogether, it should alarm all of us, regardless of your political preferences. joining me now is jason stanley, professor of philosophy at yale university and the author of erasing history how fascists rewrite the past to control the future. professor, in your book, you write, quote, exposing a nation's citizens to the complex history of its past is an essential prerequisite for civic compassion. without such an understanding, one cedes power to hierarchy or potentially an autocrat. i think the adverb potentially is doing a lot of heavy lifting there, professor. but what do you mean by this idea of rewriting history? >> well. >> we see rewriting. >> history in the very beginning here with january 6th. >> they're rewriting. >> the history of january. >> 6th. >> entirely replacing. >> something that we. >> know happened, an attempt. to

remain in power with something completely fictional, some a patriotic, supposedly patriotic attempt to. >> redress a supposed betrayal. so all. >> of this completely vanished in 2020. for all the talk of a fraudulent election, we never heard about it. it just disappeared as soon as trump won. so we know it's a lie. we know it's this big fiction. and authoritarian movements often start with this, a big fiction that everybody has to accept. so that's the first big aspect. the second thing is replacement of all the d, the d programs, essentially attacking the idea. >> that. >> there's ever been racism. and so since there's never been racism or hasn't been in decades, there's nothing we need to do about it. so cleansing, cleansing, raising suspicion about any nonwhite person in a position of power targeting civil rights legislation, they

repealed an executive order from 1965. that's the core civil rights legislation that protects from federal ensures federal contractors don't engage in discrimination. so we have this purging of black perspectives, purging of perspectives from lgbtq communities. and then we have what we really also need to continue to focus on, which is the rewriting of january 6th to give us this fictional replacement. sure. >> and, professor, i think what's important here, it's not just the rewriting of history. to your point, the word purge is also very important. what can we do? those of us that do know the truth about the history of america and how we have ended up where we are today? as you and i have this conversation, what can we do to hedge against the erasing of the truth that this second trump administration is hell bent on doing?

>> well, unfortunately, there's going to be a lot of fear. they're encouraged. they're creating a culture of authoritarianism, which is a culture of reporting on each other. so just picture in your mind a cartoonish version of authoritarianism. you report on your fellow citizens for not accepting the dominant narrative. we just journalists have to continue to do their job in the face of all of these threats. teachers have to continue to do to teach actual history, and we have to just continue to do what our jobs and institutions trained us to do, even though we're being encouraged to be loyalists. instead. >> professor jason stanley, those are actually fantastic words for us to end the show with today. thank you so much for being here, i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and a quick programing note tomorrow on the katie phang show, i'm going to speak with pamela hemphill, 71 year old woman who took part in the january 6th insurrection. she pleaded guilty. she spent 60

days behind bars, and now she's saying she doesn't want donald trump's pardon. i'll talk to her. why? and she's going to join me live tomorrow on the katie phang show at 12 p.m. eastern, right here on msnbc. that does it for me. the reidout with melissa murray is up next. hi, melissa. have a great weekend. >> thanks so much, katie. >> we have a lot to. >> get into in the next hour. >> of the reidout. >> including donald trump fast tracking deportations as. >> ice. >> agents scoop. >> up an. >> american military. >> veteran during one. >> of. >> their raids in newark. >> new jersey. >> also, in what. >> will come as a shock to. >> his supporters. >> in. >> red states prone to natural. >> disasters. >> trump is saying that he just might eliminate fema. >> altogether, which. >> surprise, surprise. >> is spelled out. >> on page. >> 135 of project 2025. but we begin tonight with the. sheer exhaustion. >> of donald trump's first. >> week in office. >> it's only been five. >> days, but. >> so far. >> trump has signed.