charles osgood is off today i'm lee cowan and this is a special edition of "sunday morning." a program about guns and america. our intent is not to take sides or pass judgment this morning but rather to take stock and cast light on a debate that seems to be growing ever louder with committed and sincere advocates on both sides. as we will see in our cover story. it's been said, god made man but samuel colt made them equal. >> this is the type of weapon that would have been used in lexington. >> guns offer window into our history the view hasn't always been crystal clear. >> guns are viewed more as a tool and that more in the 20th century you see convergence of gun laws and large number of guns.

with firearms may have started is as only a cool crush. for more and more american women these days a concealed handgun is the weapon of choice. as our tracy smith saw for herself. >> it's no secret that more women are carrying guns. but where they carry them might surprise you. are there bra holsters? >> there are. normally i have a few. >> you're sold out? >> doesn't that figure. >> ahead this "sunday morning," female fire power. >> cowan: when unsupervised child picks up an unsecured gun, the result can be tragic. >> i thought of it like any other toy gun because it looked very similar. >> at age ten, sean smith accidentally killed his little sister. >> she's dead? >> yes. >> please get my mom and dad. >> unlikely tragedy not

boys and guns. >> how hard is it to pull the trig they were. >> ahead this "sunday morning" a powerful urge to play. >> cowan: we're not the only country struggling over gun-related issues. 20 years ago in australia a mass shooting was the action that caused a sweeping decree action. seth doane takes you there. >> a lone gunman killed 35 people. it rattled a country and then prime minister. you knew right away that you had to do something? >> it happened when a madman got hold of rapid firing weapons. >> ahead on "sunday morning" australia's dramatic response to its worst ever mass shooting. mike in parts of the american west are a way of life.

ted koppel will be showing us. >> this town was founded by and named after william f. cody. known to the world as buffalo bill. there are more guns here on per capita basis in wyoming than anywhere else in the country. and the passion for firearms is ingrained at a young age. >> good job. >> a very young age. families and their guns. here in the town that buffalo bill cody built. later on "sunday morning." >> cowan: we've asked still more of our cbs news colleagues to help with this explore rakes. but here are the headlines the 113th of march, 2016. more pro tests this weekend disrupting campaign rallies for republican presidential candidate, donald trump.

people they are really violating all of us, okay? >> cowan: both republicans and democrats face key primaries in florida and ohio this tuesday. in alaska a 6-year-old man is accused of crashing his snowmobile into two iditerod teams after a night of drinking. the mushers were not hurt, but one dog was killed, three others hurt. in the unlikely event you need reminding, daylight saving time took effect early this morning meaning our weekend got one hour shorter. and another sign of spring, team selection for college basketball's march madness. here is the weather. thunderstorms could bring flooding to the already soaked lower mississippi river valley. it's wet in the southeast as well and in the west, a new storm will mean rain for san francisco all the wear to seattle.

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there are those who say we cannot defeat a corrupt political system and fix a rigged economy. but i believe we need to lift our vision above the obstacles in place and look to the american horizon. to a nation where every child can not only dream of going to college, but attend one. where quality healthcare will be a birthright of every citizen. where a good job is not a wish, but a reality. where women receive equal pay and a living wage is paid to all. an america where after a lifetime of labor, there is time for rest and grandchildren. a nation that defends our people and our values, but no longer carries so much of that burden alone. i know we can create that america if we listen to our conscience and our hearts and not to the pundits and the naysayers.

i approve this message, and i ask for your vote. >> cowan: no other developed country embraces firearms the way ours does. the more we argue about them the more it seems that are mystique grows. but just how guns became part of our cultural d.n.a. has

that's where we begin. of all the artifacts that were aboard the good ship mayflower. but would probably there. accompanying the pilgrims to plymouth rock. guns are so woven into the fabric of our founding that on the fourth floor of the smithsonian's national museum of american history they have their very own vault. >> yeah, i get lots of visitors who are just astounded and don't want to leave. >> david miller is the curator here. he has got guns of all shapes and sizes and calibers and everyone has a historic reason for being here. >> this is the type of weapon that would have been used in lexington or concord. >> it's not the gun that kicked off the revolution with that

the musket is now in ever history book come to symbolize freedom and independence and even celebrated an broadway in the smash hit "hamilton." >> guns are just part of our every day language going off half cocked, flash in the pan, bite the bullet, all rooted in firearms lore. historian pamela haag says not necessarily. >> listen to how many sentences begin with something like "americans have always" they have always loved guns. they have always had guns. changed. >> in her soon to be released book "the gunning of america." haag says most settlers viewed the gun as a tool as necessary, and yet as ordinary, as a plow or an ax. >> we think we have a gun culture because of this special

guns, but really they are unexceptional. very much treated like any other commodity. >> at the start of the revolutionary war we didn't have arms to outfit the continental army. today however, it's estimated we have more guns than people. how did we get from there to here. and here. >> the gun industry is not the only reason that we got here, however it is the reason that never gets talked about. >> it's not just a matter of salesman ship but gun industrialists like oliver winchester and samuel colt did their level best to create a market for their wares. they would soon produce firearms with the same speed and efficiency as henry ford would later do with the automobiles. best known, the winchester 73 and the colt single action army revolver. two of the guns that won the west. but as the frontier disappeared

americans to own a gun. >> these guns were not just selling themselves they weren't just flying off the shelf. >> so by the 0th century gun makers started to market their guns not just as a tool but a feeling. >> what was once needed now had to be loved. >> there was a strong appeal to the young, too, and the notion of the gun as a rite of passage. >> one of the more interesting ads said, you know your boy wants a gun you just don't know how much. he can't tell you. it's beyond words. >> for parents worried about real guns there were catalogs full of toy ones. a must have. immortalized in the christmas classic. >> the red ryder 200 shot range model air rifle. >> i resembled the iconic rifles of the wild west. and nothing romanticized the gun

for real life legends like wild bill hickok, wyatt earp. guns came to represent the rugged individualism. as good guys and bad guys changed so did the gun. >> say hello to my little friend. >> some became as famous as the stars who fired them. >> go ahead. make my day. >> cowan: we take our guns seriously. owning them is a constitutional right. but we've also tried to legislate how to control them. >> americans have always had mixed feelings about guns. so for as much as the gun slingers are part of our heritage so, too, is disquiet and discomfort. >> in the wild west, towns like tombstone and dodge city prohibited people from carrying guns in public.

control legislation hoping to reduce the number of gangsters. fast forward. >> president kennedy died at 1:00 p.m. central standard time. >> john f. kennedy, along with robert kennedy and the reverend martin luther king, junior led president lyndon johnson to push through the gun control act of 1968. >> we have been through a great deal of anguish these last few months and these last few years. too much anguish to forget. >> too much anguish back then but what about now? today there seems to be alarming sameness to our gun violence f. columbine high school to tucson parking lot. to a movie theater in aurora and a grade school in newtown. these incidents don't decrease gun sales instead gun sales tend to go up. in fact, u.s. gun makers produced nearly 11 million

hook. not far from there in hartford, connecticut, it's a church built by samuel colt's widow. stands unique symbol of just where guns sit in our culture today. mixed in with the cherubs and saints you'll find her husband's firearms as art on the walls mingling with the ivy hidden at the top of the church's columns. maybe that's the place guns will always occupy, worshipped by many, their presence carved in stone. >> so, i dream -- >> cowan: i killed him. >> cowan: good guys with guns. an idea whose time has come. then those places change every few months... please.

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he was pointing it right at my abdomen. >> at that very moment, lynn russell's husband, chuck decaro emerged from the shower. >> and he then moved the gun from pointing at my wife to pointing at me. and he said, i need your money. >> but the gunman did in the know that russella former cnn anchor and decaroa former cnn reporter who trained as a special forces soldier, habitually travel with guns that they are licensed and trained to use. >> you were able to actually move your gun through the nightstand into your purse? >> i slipped one of the guns into the purse and handed it to chuck and said take good look inside here see if there is anything you can find that we want to give the man. and chuck looked he said, yes, there is. >> and they say, as the suspect

>> i drew. >> decaro fired back. you killed this man? >> i killed him. >> but you got shot yourself? >> well, that's the nature of the game. it's called combat. >> you might call them good guys with guns. an idea touted by some republican presidential candidates. >> 130 people killed. many people in the hospital. >> take donald trump on last november's terrorist attack in paris. >> if they had guns on the other side of the room, with the bullets going in the opposite direction you would not have had positive 1/3rd people killed. >> and it's become a rallying cry for wayne la pierrz the nra will go the distance. >> ceo of the national rifle association, the nation's most prominent gun rights group. >> the only thing that stops a

with a gun. >> we asked to speak with him -- millions of americans share the nra -- >> instead the nra provided former president and current board member sandy froman of tucson. >> could a good guy with a gun really stop a terrorist attack? >> i think a good guy with a gun could protect himself or herself. if you have a choice of using your gun to save your life or having your life taken. then, yes, i think you should have that choice. >> basically the thought is the more law-abiding people own and are trained to use guns is the safer we'll all be? >> exactly. >> this is also a personal issue for froman who purchased her first gun at 32, after an attempted break in at her home. >> i think that we all need to be prepared in case something

>> and gun sales are up. with background checks on buyers hitting a record high of more than 23 million last year. even some school personnel like these in ohio are preparing for the worst. while many gun rights advocates say it's time to end most bans on guns in public places. known as gun-degree zones. >> somebody intent on rape or robbery or murder is not going to obey that little circle with the line through it. why -- >> people are sitting ducks. >> sitting ducks, that's exactly right. >> we heard this bang, bang, bang, the succession of noises. >> colin goddard sees it differently. he was in french class at virginia tech on that day in

>> you could hear it was getting louder then all of a sudden you could see what was coming in the front of the classroom. >> he was lucky. though shot four times he recovered. 32 people were killed. yes he rejects the idea that good guys with guns could have saved the day. >> that was never really a thought that came in my mind during the course of the event. i was much more concerned with how can we do a better job of stopping the one gun from coming into that classroom than trying to put a gun in every single classroom of my school. you know, that felt like it would be a much more dangerous situation. >> goddard now works for every town for gun safety advocating stronger gun control laws that he says would keep guns away from bad guys in the first place. but the nra insists we don't

>> every time you pass a new law instead of enforcing the existing laws you further burden law-abiding citizens. >> none of that was there before. for chuck decaro he's now undergone six surgeries. he and his wife, lynn russell, believe that their right to bear arms saved their lives. but they say being a good guy with a gun is not a political decision, it's a personal one. >> i don't tell anybody, go out and get a gun, i don't, right. but if you're going to, you should should be very well trained and understand that even if you have to use that gun to defend yourself, that life is never going to be the same again. >> can you show us where you carry us. >> coming up. >> in this holster right here in the front pocket.

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>> cowan: any discussion on the right to bear arms has to take note of the second amendment. any discussion of just who is bearing arms has to take note of the growing ranks of women. two reports now, tracy smith will be along shortly but first, here's anthony mason. >> at the heart of the debate over guns in america is a single inscrutable sentence, the second amendment of the bill of rights. the wording itself is unusual, isn't it? >> it's unusual. it's short. it's clogged with commas. >> michael waldman who heads the brennan center for justice at new york university law school is the author of a biography of the second amendment. >> the second amendment says, a

being necessary to the security of free state, comma, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, comma, shall not be infringed. what does that mean. >> the most disputed clause in the constitution is the phrase about militias which were a great concern when the bill of rights was written in 179. >> the constitutional convention in philadelphia there was a very big controversy over how allocate military power. >> nelson lund, professor of constitutional law at george mason university, says the states feared the new government would try to disarm the 13 state militias, which required every white male over 16 to own a musket. >> the an file federalists were very worried that the states were being deprived of their power to resist federal tyranny. >> the militia, sirs our ultimate safety. patrick henry argued. we can have no security without

while the guns were common place then, so were gun regulations. new york and boston prohibited the firing of guns within city limits. and in the notes for the constitutional convention, waldman says -- >> there's literally not a word about it protecting an individual right for gun ownership for self protection, hunting or any of the other things we think about now. >> there's one side that believes that this amendment refers specifically and only to militias. >> well, i know people say that but it just can't be true. if you look at what the words say. it says the right of the people to keep and bear arms. it does not say the right of the state or the right of the militias, it says the right of the people. >> the debate over the second amendment came to a head here at the supreme court in 2008 in a case filed over the capital's gun laws called, district of

>> in a 5-4 vote the cord affirmed an individual's right to keep and bear arms. striking down dc's ban on handguns in the home. the inherent right of self defense, justice an toe anyone scalia wrote in the majority opinion has been central to the second amendment right. but was added, the right is not unlimited. also leaving room for gun regulation. >> is that a continuing grey area? >> it is absolutely a continuing grey area. absolutely a continuing grey area. >> another grey area is how the court might rule on future second amendment issues after the sudden death of judge scalia in february. >> so, you know, a lot depends on who replaces justice scalia.

you might call it girl power. women are the fastest growing group of gun owners in the u.s. according to the national shooting sports foundation. and this is typically their weapon of choicea semi automatic handgun. light weight, accurate, and so simple that practically anyone can learn to use it. in states that allow it, a handgun has for some become the must-have accessory. why do you carry a gun? >> personal protection. i've got two it. >> i feel safer. >> can you show us where you carry it. >> right here in this holster. >> right here in the front pocket. >> i carry on my person. >> it's pink. >> it is pink. i'm a girl. >> turns out most prefer basic black. and since more women than ever ever r are taking up arms there are gun stores that cater to women. like this one in shawnee,

>> do you get lot of women say something that slips in my yoga pants? >> we do. lot of women that say we don't use a belt. how do i carry. >> becky and her husband opened the store in 2012 selling things like thinner, lighter guns and purses with handgun compartments. where does the gun go? >> on the back. it has the two zippers. you can access from either side. >> these are for like fancy night out. >> right. might be date night. >> okay. there you go. >> beyond all the lace and leather becky is also selling readiness. >> there are people out there who will say, if a woman gets a gun it's more likely it will be used against her than she'll use it in self defense. >> that's a difficult one. if somebody wants to come in here and buy a firearm and i think it's going to be more of a threat to them until they are trained.

for recreation in which case, please, use it. more than you like. i hope that no one ever has to use it for self defense. >> she knows what that feels like. >> four men selected her and her business to be robbed. >> in january 2015 four armed robbers opened fire at the original she's a pistol store killing becky's husband. she says she survived only because she shot back. >> four robbers are still in critical condition. >> i made that choice years ago that if i was pushed to that point i was comfortable pulling the trigger. >> did you ever really think? >> of course not. you never think you'll have to use it we cannot depend on the third party be it our husband or father or police officer. anyone else. to protect us. we have to take that responsibility on ourselves. >> women like letita ivory,

new knitting circle where women train for a day this they pray will never come. how is it different than taking yoga class together? >> i can't do yoga. if i get on the ground i ain't getting up. >> but shooting? >> i can do that. >> not like the movies the bullets don't bounce off. >> cowan: just ha now bulletproof is bulletproof?lkmissing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems.

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average every day auto shop except for one thing. quality control. trent kimball is the very confident and brave founder and ceo of texas armoring corporation, a s based company that turns ordinary cars into rolling fortresses. >> these aren't bank trucks that we're talking about. these are passenger vehicles that can stop any type of rifle round or handgun. even up to hand grenades, ieds those type of explosives. >> don't call these vehicles bulletproof. you can make something 100% bulletproof? >> no. bulletproof does not exist. all our vehicles are bullet resistant. not like the movies, the bullets don't bounce off it actually catches. the glass will crack, it will splinter. >> don't want it to penetrate.

not going to penetrate. >> tearing cars down to their skeletons kim bell and his crew install custom ballistic steel plates and glass then put it all back together as good as knew. the cost to armor a car goes from $40,000 on up and kimball says business is good and getting better. >> economic stress in the world, the economic downturn, the terrorism, that type of world that we live in nowadays is good for business. unfortunately. >> who needs these armored vehicles? >> our clientele range from heads of state of foreign countries, all the way down to a soccer mom here in the u.s. >> protection against kidnapping, protection against assault from an angry soccer parent? >> outside the u.s. it's main ly

for ransom. inside the u.s. they are usually protecting just against random street crime. when i got hit it felt like a ton of bricks. >> detective michael levay of the nypd knows firsthand the value of protection. in 201 he was shot in his ballistic vest during routine stop for a minor subway violation. >> gentleman gets up, starts walking toward the train car door i see him reach into his waist band. the motion of his hand. first round goes off strikes me in my vest. >> you were hit where, exactly? >> pretty much dead center of the vest. thankfully it stopped it. i believe it pierced the vest a little bit but enough that all i had was pretty much a giant bruise. >> the first commercially available bullet resistant vest was invented in 18893 by a chicago catholic priest named

garment worked by having himself shot in front of an audience. soon, people brought the silk and steel vests including the arch duke franz ferdinand of austria. but he forgot to wear it june 28, 1914, when an assassin shot and killed him igniting world war i. recent experiments proved his invention could have stopped that fateful shot. fortunately for detective levay, he didn't forget to put his vest on. >> i'm here because the vest saved my life and i try to be the to talk to some of the younger officers just, listen, take care of yourself. you could get into a dangerous situation. watch yourself. watch your partner's back. be careful out there. >> cowan: up next. declaring war on guns. ay to run the race for retirement. so we asked them...

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>> cowan: as of this morning, the city of chicago just this year has recorded 546 shootings so far. now some unarmed urban warriors are trying to chart a different course. here's michelle miller. >> eddie bocanegra is determined to help chicago teenagers build a bright future. by using lessons from his own dark past. so, you were in prison? >> correct. >> what did you do? >> i shot and killed somebody. >> you have to live with that. >> i do. >> bocanegra served 14 years and three months for that gang-related murder getting out

earning a social work degree. there's no better way to ask forgiveness than by doing the work that i do. >> his work is urban warrior, a program that he launched back in 2014 at the ymca of metro chicago. >> the goal, to halt an epidemic of gun violence. >> every time we see 14-year-old kid being shot and killed it has a ripple effect in the rest of our communities. >> lately, those ripples look more like tidal waves. with roughly 100 homicides already, 2016 is chicago's deadliest start to a year in almost two decades. and most of the victims are african american. nationwide, homicide is the leading cause of death among young black men. nine out of ten times those

>> i would argue that we've lost more children in our streets in the last five years thanane have in the last ten years in war. >> it's a comparison by design. bocanegra believes that military veterans are uniquely qualified to mentor young men from high climb neighborhoods. so he brings them together at weekly support group meetings where they share stories and bonding activities. the common thread, post traumatic stress disorder from time spent on a battlefield. >> i went to a nightclub for one of my cousin's parties. it was like week and a half ago they started shooting inside the club. >> a week and a half ago? >> yes. a girl she got shot in her head. a security guard he got shot we had to apply a tourniquet to his leg. >> at, veteran jamal mcfear son not much older than the young men he mentors at urban warriors.

the streets of chicago to join the military. >> i think they're going -- by me sharing my traumatic experience, it's opened up the door for them to share their traumatic experience and confide in us. >> some of the veterans aren't much older than you are. are they big brothers? father figures? >> more like brothers to me. >> 18-year-old miguel arreol and 17-year-old jaime and noah all joined gangs early. how old when you held your first gun? >> ten years old. >> fourteen. >> how would you get one? >> one, two, three. >> since graduating from urban warriors they left guns and gangs behind. the program is now being studied at the university of chicago. one thing is clear already. there's a little bit of hope where there was once no hope at

>> the guy who came in how is he different than the guy who came out? >> i don't see myself taking a life but changing somebody's life. i don't see myself going to prison i see myself going to college.

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will they begin to play by the rules if i'm president? you better believe it. i'm bernie sanders and i approve this message. >> cowan: however heated the debate over guns and sieve sill vans. few question the importance of fire power for our armed forces. >> there are gun lovers then there are marines. that may look just like just another rifle to you, but to a marine infantry man like sergeant joshua sherman is the difference between success and failure, life and death. >> basically your tool to keep yourself and your friends alive

>> marines refer to their rifle as "she" like a girlfriend. >> when you push forward and you're actually in iraq and afghanistan wherever the marine corps might send you that weapon never leaves your side. >> he's olding an m4 the newest rifle to be issued to marines. his battle buddy, corporal shamar matheny is carrying the older 3/4 16. >> this has 12 inch barrel. >> the m4 has slightly short he range. but it's two pounds lighter. >> two pounds is a lot when you're counting everything that you're trying put on an infantry marine. >> a shorter barrel might not mean much but could be everything in urban combat. >> if you're coming around a corner into a hallway can mean big difference when it's showing that you're coming or not. >> all the rifles are becoming smaller and lighter. the man in charge of developing new weapons for the marines says

is the biggest change. >> most people when they think telescopic sight think of sniper rifle. >> right. >> every rifle has this. >> what would be considered a sniper-like effect can be achieved by this, by every single brand. >> the real snipers are creeping through the woods carrying a very different kinds of weapon designed to pick off the enemy at long range. like the camouflage suit he is tailored. >> i don't imagine there's anybody that has closer relationship with his weapon than a sniper. >> snipers definitely fire far more rounds with a lot more responsibility and understanding of what that round is doing than any other formal in fran tee, i would say. >> as with the infantry rifles the marines are switching to a smaller, lighter sniper rifle. >> this is one its way out.

>> you going to miss it? >> yeah. this is all i've known since i've came to this. >> sergeant jared chambers can console himself with the fact that the new model is four pounds lighter. >> we have saying, ounces equal pounds and pounds equal pain. the less ounces you've got the less pain you're going to have. >> each rifle in a marine fire team has a different purpose. the snipers are usually first to fire, trying to pick off high value targets like enemy machine guns. giving the rest of the fire team a chance to move across open ground. first to come up is machine gunner ryan moore to lay down a base of fire. >> you're the first guy forward. >> absolutely. >> that could be risky. >> when i was in afghanistan it definitely seemed that the machine gunner had a nice target painted on his flack jacket for the enemy. >> that drum contains 200 pounds which he fires in two to three second bursts, any longer and

shots go wild. >> in my opinion, for the most part, machine guns will actually change or paint the actual outcome of the battle space. i'm going to instill confidence in my squad and their ability to move forward and then i'm also going to put the fear in the enemy where they don't want to fight. >> these marines could spend all day telling you about the intricacies and idiosyncrasies of their weapons. here is the one thing you need to know about the marine and his rifle. >> it's a very personal thing f. there's something wrong something you didn't do properly not the weapon itself. you make it better. >> so the weapon is only as good as the marine. >> absolutely, sir. a weapon is going to do what it's designed to d. marines are trained to make it do what it's designed to do. >> what did you shoot? >> cowan: when children shoot

>> cowan: just how common is for a child to accidentally shoot and kill another child. one time presidential candidate adlai stevenson shot and killed a female cousin in a gun mishap when he was a boy. that was back in 1912. marcia tirer has more recent example. >> they were riding their bikes to school that day. erin turned around came back, what are you doing? you're going to be late. just want to tell you i love you, mommy. gave me a nice kiss. >> those were the last words and the last kiss lee smith and her daughter erin would ever share. >> i always tried to make her laugh every chance i could. she was definitely the best kid sister i could have. >> whenever i said, i want your picture. he would put his arm around her. >> sean smith, arm around his sister.

suburb. she was eight, he was ten. his, the little voice on the excruciating 911 call. >> and i shot her. >> okay, listen, who did you shoot, sean? i didn't mean to. >> don't worry, severing okay. >> nationwide, there are no definitive counts but according to multiple sources, 100 or more kids are killed accidentally every year. >> near fort lauderdale -- they were home alone after school. hunting for video games, shawn dresser. >> i thought of it like any other, you know, toy gun that i had because it looked very similar. i remember her backing away to the wall and i remember at that

window and the trigger went off, just as she was running out of the room. >> she's dead. >> yes. >> please get my mom and dad. oh, my, god! >> i remember picking her up and putting her in my lap and looking down at her and it's almost like she wasn't there. you could see the light was just out of her eyes. >> a tragedy, yes. unexpected behavior, hardly. everything that sean smith did matches detail for detail the results of a landmark 2001 study showing a potentially fatal attraction of boys to guns. >> we put eight to 12-year-old boys in a room where there was actual handgun. >> dr. hal simon is a professor the emery university medical school in atlanta. this was the actual gun used.

removed, had a radio transmitter put in you could actually know enough force to have fired it then we would be able to monitor it. >> that's pretty easy. >> the boys were brought in groups two of or three to the room where the .38 was hidden in a drawer. >> he had just taken it out of the drawer. he turns and goes like that. >> the university blurred the boys' faces and bodies on the video, but it's still possible to see them firing the gun at themselves and each other. >> so, the 64 kids, 48 of them actually found the handgun and 16 of the children actually pulled the gun with enough force that it would have discharged the weapon. when we looked at those that actually found the gun, almost half of those kids could not tell if it was real. >> it could be argued that a child shot by a child isn't the

sean smith got into drugs and alcohol, dropped out of high school. his more's response -- >> i'm not going to lose another child. i'm tougher than that. i'm going to save him. >> the birth of his son, dylan, was what finally turned shawn around. >> you know what, you got to be responsible for another life. i was given a second chance. >> today he manages an auto parts warehouse. divorced, he lives with his parents. dylan lives there, too. lee smith buys another angel, every year around erin's birthday. and finally, s,an can look at family photos. tell me what is your favorite photo? >> mine is the one where we're walking hand in hand to the beach. >> always nervous about going into the water.

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>> cowan: to some city dwellers guns are a potential threat to life. but those who live in our wide open spaces tend to see guns as a way of life. for that story we turn to the newest member of our "sunday morning" family, senior contributor, ted koppel. >> if you've ever wondered where the deer and the antelope still roam, this is it. it's the story book west to so many people. >> the big fellow, the one who looks like he's been riding all his life and bears a striking resemblance to teddy roosevelt, that's bob model, this is his mooncrest ranch a few miles outside cody, wyoming. those are some of bob's ranch hands getting ready to feed the horses. when they head up into the mountains they will be carrying rifles, for protection against wolves and coyotes, or to put down a horse that's broken a leg.

men carry handguns. >> well, you never know when you may need it. >> it's an enormous piece of land. model owns 5,000 acres and then there's another 195,000 acres of public land surrounding his ranch. so you're sitting on roughly 200,000 acres of my land? >> i am. >> well, you're welcome. >> i appreciate that. >> okay. >> i would say to you, i'm a good steward. i use it for grazing my livestock. outfitter. and you're lucky to have me, you know, watching after your land. >> you know, when people who don't hunt look around a place like this and you see all of the heads up on the wall. they say, what the hell is that guy talking about? conservation? they're killing them. >> the hunters have played an

only wildlife, but our resources upon which wildlifive. >> there's no getting around it, guns are big in wyoming. more guns per capita than any state in the country. as for the residents of park county, that's where cody is located, well, here's the sheriff, scott steward. >> if they have guns in the home the low end is going to be probably four to five. high end is going to be 100 to more. >> how machine iep people in this county do not have guns? >> i would say, a very minority. >> still, when it comes to the rate of gun-related murders, wyoming is below the national average. sheriff steward will tell you he's already with all those guns out here. he has only a handful of deputies. >> we might have three on duty in the county to cover 6,000 square miles m. times you have deputy on one side of the county get a call 40 miles away, chances are he's not going to

kind of conflict that is going on. >> what you're telling me people need to be able to take care of them. >> absolutely. >> guns are woven into the tapestry of all old wyoming families. that of retired senator alan sim ton, for example. how long have you you simpsons been out here? >> might great grandfather came to jackson in 1848. my grandmother lived to be a hundred, she was born in salt lake in 1874. two years before the custer battle. she always carried a daringer in her purse. >> i assume back then folks needed their guns. >> without guns, there would be no west. this is a .30 caliber. >> there is a string of violence in his family. >> my grandfather murdered a guy in the main street of cody in august of 1923. >> because?

so he represented this guy. the guy didn't like the result. came up behind my grandfather, hit him in the back of the head. >> simpson's grandfather got a gun and shot his client, killed him. a local jury voted for acquittal. and then there's the senator's own boyhood. >> i was an assassin. we were bad. we stole shells. .22 shorts and would go out into the hills and see how close we could come to each other in the rocks. >> alan simpson, you will not be surprised learns no fan of gun control legislation. >> gun control in wyoming how steady you hold your rifle. why didn't you go ahead take a few shots. >> that's the senator's son, colin, with his son, mac. they call him big mac. is this match what your dad did with you?

what i'm doing here with the boys is exactly what we did. >> there's a real effort to instill gun safety. >> people in other places don't understand how careful we are. how much we understand and how we learn from a young age. >> age 13, dillon romero is already a crack shot. it's an expensive sport, though, and his father had him draft a contract outlining what he's prepared to do in order to keep shooting. >> i have to keep a gpa above 3.the 995. not do any drugs or alcohol. ever pretty much. just stay out of trouble with the law. and my teachers, respect him and my mom. >> dillon started shooting when he was about seven. that's how old ella is now. but she and her dad bo allen have already been at this for awhile.

>> when is the first time you shot a gun? >> well, i think it was when i was five. >> you're an old hand at this? you've been doing this for a long time? you like coming out and shooting with your daddy? >> yes. >> that's 5-year-old haley with her daddy justin showing how how to thumb back the hammer on her pistol. >> good job. >> she is as sweet as she can be clearly having a good time. >> yes, sir. >> but there's some people might watch this and say, boy, five is awful young. >> not at all, actually. >> tell me why. >> respect starts now. respect of life. respect of country. respect of game. everything starts now. that all starts when they're impressionable. >> hayley? turn around here so you can see the camera. i just want to know one thing, did you have a good time?

would you like to do it again? at this point some gun control advocates in our major cities may can shaking their heads in disbelief. folks out here, though, couldn't care less. >> and they don't give a [bleep] what people think about back there while they're killing each other every day more than they are out here, why do we have to listen to that? >> out on a pheasant shoot, just fine. >> it's a community event. it's a family event. memories i have with my father and my brother and my two boys and my wife and my -- i mean, you name it. those are wonderful memories. >> to a great extent our perspective on guns is shaped by where we live.

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>> cowan: in the wake of deadly shooting rampage back in 1996 the australian government reacted quickly and decisively to ban concern guns. so did it make a difference? said doane takes a look. >> it's said when you lose your parents, you lose your past. when you lose your child, you lose you're future. >> carolyn loughton flung herself on top of her daughter when a gunman started shooting. but it was not enough to save sarah's life. >> she was 15? >> she just turned 15, yes. >> one american is among the injured in what is being described as the worst massacre this century. a lone gunman with a high-powered rifle -- >> the shooting in cafe in the tasmanian town in port arthur happened 20 years ago but telling the story still makes

what is it like being in a mass shooting? >> it's beyond frightening. it's haunting. and for every bullet that's fired, that's a life gone. gone. and bang, there's another life gone. and bang, and when is it going to be my turn. >> carolyn was shot. >> this is actually me. >> this is you on the stretcher? >> did not though for hours her daughter had died. this is what is left that have cafe where the gunman started shooting. in the end, 35 people were killed. and it rocked australia. it came just six weeks after a new prime minister had been elected. >> i thought to myself, if i don't use the authority of this newly acquired office to do something, the australian people are entitled to think, well,

>> as to the gun control laws -- >> then prime minister john howard, a conservative politician and close friend of george w. bush pushed through sweeping gun control legislation just 12 days after the massacre. >> the hardest things to do in politics often involve taking away rights and privilege from our i don't know supporters. >> the tough new laws banned the sale and importation of all automatic and semi automatic rifles and shotguns. forced people to present a legitimate reason and wait 28 days to buy a firearm. perhaps most significantly called for a massive mandatory gun buyback, australia's government confiscated and destroyed nearly 700,000 firearms reducing the number of gun-owning households by half.

violated my human rights by taking away my gun. i just say, will you please understand the argument, the greatest human right of all is to live a safe life without fear of random murder. >> in the 15 years before the laws were passed, there were 13 mass shootings. in the two decades since, there has not been one. plus, gun homicide decreased by nearly 60%. >> it is incontestable that gun-related homicide have fallen quite significantly in australia. >> it's clutching at straws. john howard just simply didn't like guns. >> senator david leyonhjelm left howard's political party in protest over the strict gun laws. >> there could have been something done about keeping firearms out of the hands of

were made to pay the price. i don't think there's any relationship between the availability of guns and the level of violence. >> critics who say saw can't say that these changes in gun deaths happen because of this legislation. >> well, i can say that. because all the surveys indicated if you had 30 mass shootings before and none since, isn't that evident? and 74% fall in the gun related suicide rates, is that sniffed or expected to believe that was all magically going to happen? >> this is where i keep the pistols and rifle am knew mix and the rifle bolts. >> lawyer and wine maker greg melick showed us where he locks up his weapons. >> if the weapons are in here, am knew knicks' in there. >> locked separately. >> yes. >> locking up guns and ammunition in separate saves is another regulation as are surprise inspection by police.

prized guns in the buy back. >> how many firearms do you still own? >> i knew you were going to to ask me, i don't know. >> the answer about two dozen. >> this is browning nine hill pleater. >> which he uses for sport, hunting and shooting pests on his vineyard. >> he sees gun ownership not as a right but a privilege. >> i'd be very uncomfortable going back to the way it was before when anybody could go in and buy a fire glam really? why? >> quite frankly, i find it surprising that you as an american ask me a question like that. it's just bizarre the number of people getting killed in the united states. you have these ridiculous arguments, well, people carry guns so they can defend themselves. >> but this is being said by a gun owner who shoots for sport. >> i have genuine reason for using firearms. >> from tasmania to sydney, to carolyn laughton's living room.

>> were there lessons for the u.s.? >> i would loathe to comment. but my questions how is it going for you over there? but i can't answer that for you. my heart goes out to all of you over there in america. life is so short. and all -- everyone of us is somebody's child. when we see what's happening, your heart bleeds. >> cowan: coming up -- 50,000 people watched it happen. we did not see it. we never will. >> cowan: aftermath. i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me. with once-weekly trulicity. trulicity is not insulin. it helps activate my body to do what it's supposed to do release its own insulin.

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alison parker loved telling everyone who tuned in to her morning news show what was happening in roanoke, virginia. everyone, that is, except her boyfriend, chris hurst. >> she had this thing about not wanting me to watch her because she thought that she'd mess up. >> neither chris nor alison's parents, andy and barbara parker, were watching last august 26th, when her live interview with a local chamber of commerce executive was suddenly interrupted by gunfire. >> say that is what -- [ gunfire ] >> not sure what happened there. >> 50,000 people watched it happen. we did not see it. we never will. >> you never will see it? >> never. >> alison and chris had met and fallen in love at the station where he works nights as an anchor. he was asleep at home when a few minutes after the shooting, a wdbj staff member phoned chris and told him he needed to come in.

she was dead within minutes of waking up that morning. it was all taken from me. way too soon. >> the gunman fired at least eight times killing alison and cameraman adam ward. adam was 27. alison 24. >> she was beautiful. she had an amazing sense of humor. >> it's my scene safer on my phone. she's giving this pig a kiss. >> the gunman turned out to be someone the victims knew. he was a troubled former station employee, vester flanagan, who had been fired in 2013. before taking his own life later that day, he released a 23-page letter claiming that he had been motivated by other mass shootings. >> i'm andy parker and when my daughter alison was murdered on live television, i pledged that i was going to do whatever it takes to reduce gun violence in this country.

shooting victims the parkers immediately changed the course of their lives. grief fueling fury. >> first you're numb. you're completely in shock. and then you grieve uncontrollably. obviously i still do. but then it turned toking aer. >> what changes do you want to see? >> simple thing universal background checks and closing the loopholes in these gun shows, that's the simple stuff. >> but the sad fact is that vester flanagan did pass a weapon legally. >> there are people that say, well, nothing would have prevented her death. okay. maybe so. but is that a reason to not try to save the next life? even if it's one life. >> the parkers insist they are not taking aim at gun ownership, but at the nra which they say has stifled any discussion about regulations. >> i'm just going to put it out there.

who think you both are on this quixotic mission well intentioned but doomed to fail. >> we're on a mix. i don't think it's quixotic i don't think we're going to fail. >> we've seen this become a national conversation. where as, even a couple of years ago, no one would talk about it. now people are all discussing it and telling us, what you're doing is important. >> what happens though to people like andy and barbara when they try to become activists? >> they become targets. but we don't have any fear. we really feel like she's guiding us. and we're just following her lead. >> this is her bedroom. >> there are reminders everywhere of what could have been. >> it says, i'm fairly certain that given a cape and nice tiara i could save the world. that was your daughter.

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>> cowan: we go to john dickerson in washington for a look at what's ahead on "face the nation." good morning. >> dickerson: good morning, tense weekend in republican politics the clashes at donald trump rallies we'll talk to mr. trump as well as john kasich and bernie sanders. >> cowan: thanks. we'll be watching. as for our program this morning we realize that we barely scratched the surface of america's gun debate. we couldn't get everything in and for a look at some of the topics that didn't fit into these 90 minutes, there is plenty more on our website. plus whitening pen for 5 shades whiter teeth. brush, whiten, go! no mess, no waiting, no rinsing. colgate optic white toothbrush plus whitening pen. hey, jesse. who are you? i'm vern, the orange money retirement rabbit from voya. vern from voya? yep, vern from voya.

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key primary states. protests at trump rallies which began in chicago. and kansas city last night marked shocking escalation in the angry political tone in america. >> don't hurt the person. don't hurt the person. i'm a nonviolent person, did you know that about me? >> dickerson: we'll talk to donald trump about the chaos what he's going to do about it. we'll hear from our cbs news reporter arrested trying to cover the chicago demonstration. and do or die or two candidates in home state primary contest tuesday. we'll talk to ohio governor john kasich about his tight race there with donald trump. and after his upset win over hillary clinton in michigan we'll talk to bernie sanders about his prospect going forward. that and more come up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson.