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ensure equal pay for women. i'm bernie sanders. i approve this message because together, we can make a political revolution and create an economy and democracy that works for all and not just the powerful few. >> dickerson: today on "face the nation" the 2016 presidential campaign comes unglued. violent protests at trump rallies our cbs battleground tracker poll shows movement in key primary states. protests at trump rallies which began in chicago. and kansas city last night marked shocking escalation in the angry political tone in america. >> don't hurt the person. don't hurt the person. i'm a nonviolent person, did you know that about me? >> dickerson: we'll talk to donald trump about the chaos
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we'll hear from our cbs news reporter arrested trying to cover the chicago demonstration. and do or die or two candidates in home state primary contest tuesday. we'll talk to ohio governor john kasich about his tight race there with donald trump. and after his upset win over hillary clinton in michigan we'll talk to bernie sanders about his prospect going forward. that and more come up on "face the nation." captioning sponsored by cbs welcome to "face the nation" i'm john dickerson. five states hold primaries tuesday we have new cbs battleground tracker numbers. among republicans in florida, home state sector marco rubio is running third at 21% behind donald trump who is at the top with 44% and ted cruz who is in second in 24%. john kasich is far behind with 9% support but in his home state
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with donald trump at%. ted cruz behind them at 27. marco rubio is far down at 5%. in illinois donald trump on top at 38% with ted cruz right behind him at 34. john kasich at 16, marco rubio at 11. the big story is the anger out on the campaign trail in chicago friday night, thousands of anti-trump protesters forced donald trump to cancel his rally then saturday in dayton, ohio, protester broke through barricade and rushed the stage at trump event stunning the candidate and crowd. in kansas city another round of chaos in the streets we begin with donald trump in chicago this morning. mr. trump, you've said that you don't incite any of this activity but several rallies you have said that protesters, you said about one i'd like to punch him in the face. another you suggested that it would be better if he was taken out on a stretcher. you suggested if one thought about throwing a tomato that
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crap out of him. how is that not encouraging the kind of behavior we're now seeing? >> well, let me just tell you first of all with all of the rallies i've had, i get more people than anybody as you know by a lot. thousands and thousands of people. 25,000 people almost getting be -- you haven't seen one person even injured at one of our rallies. the cases you're talking about the one guy was a bad dude, he was swinging, he was hitting people, he was a very bad guy and the police came in and they really were very effective. fangly some of the audience members had no choice but to be effective and i didn't mind that at all. but they would have been hurt. other with tomatoes i was told by secret service that two people in the audience we've heard that have tomatoes they're going to throw them at you. they have good arms that could do some damage, okay. i said to the people before my speech started, if you see anybody with tomatoes, you got to take them out, folks. got to take them out. i think everybody understands
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>> dickerson: you say no one was hurt but gentleman walking out video shows him being escorted out then a supporter cold cocked him, he was a, hurt, there was somebody hurt. he wasn't doing any damage when he was walking out. he was cold cocked. you would suggest in one of your rallies pay for legal fees, would you pay for legal fees for that gentleman? >> well, i'm going to review it. i understand -- i don't condone violence, i don't condone what happened to him and what he did because he got carried away and very unfortunate. but this kid was walking out and i understand he had certain finger up in the air as he's walking out. and this man became very angry. you know what, again, i don't condone violence but the kid shouldn't have had the finger up in the air, eitherf that's what he did. i'm going to take a look at the tape i'll let you know. >> dickerson: is that the threshold just wrong gesture and it's okay to clock him? >> well, i think that's a
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we can say oh, it doesn't matter but i think it's a terrible gesture. you know it's interesting, these people are disrupters they're not protesters they're disrupters, professional disrupters in some cases that's all they do they stand up and disrupt and if nobody did that at a bernie rally, many come from bernie. i have tremendous young people also, we have a whole level of young people, i can't even is. but if they ever went to bernie rallies did the same thing, i want to tell you you would be so angry with me, nobody talks about it, but you would be so against. whole different standard when it comes to republican conservative versus liberal. if people went to their rallies and disrupted their rallies like my rallies are disrupted the press would particular up -- stick up for them make all sorts of excuses how terrible it is. so, we have two standards in this country, it's very unfortunate. the press is extremely dishonest. >> dickerson: when you talk
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these are barred, bad people we're going to take our country back from these people. these people do nothing. who are "these people" in that case? >> well, i see people in the audience that i don't think they have great future. i think they're disrupters, they are not in love with our country. i think they protest and disrupt, that's what they do. i don't know if they do it for a living, i don't know if they get paid for doing it. but they are not good people and they are certainly not good for our country and the people that come to my rallies these are extraordinary people. these are great people. these are people that are really disenfranchised in many cases. noww that being said, we are very successful people, we have smartest, we have the best educated, we have people that aren't educated as well. if you look at the polls coming out of all these states that i've won, which is most of them, if you look at the polls coming out i lead with hispanics, i lead with women, i lead with very well educated. i lead in all different
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very proudly i lead with evangelical. i lead with veterans. i lead in every category. so, i have everybody. we really do have a young crowd. remember this, if they went to hillary rally, although nobody cares too much about hillary rallies because there's no fervor there. if they went to bernie rally they would say what a terrible thing. they disrupt me from talking. i do the best i can with it. and by the way, you've heard me say it, don't hurt them. i'm constantly saying to the police, don't hurt them, don't hurt them. i don't condone violence. violent. >> dickerson: let me ask you policy question at the debate you talked about -- something i frankly use i shouldn't be allowed to use it when you talk about the bankruptcy laws, talked how you took advantage of them when you and i talked about your taxes you say try to pay as little as possible. if you are president, why would anybody follow the laws that you put in place if they knew you were taking advantage of those
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private sector? >> because i know the game better than anybody, because i've been on the other side. companies. i did filing which shows one of the great companies great tremendous cash flow, some of world. but let me just tell you, i use the bankruptcy laws just like other very successful people. i won't use their names, pie name ten people, biggest people in all of business, we do it -- the game we play. we use the laws of the land. that's the way we play the game. wait a minute. as far as the visas are concerned i'm in the doing anything wrong, i think those visas shouldn't be allowed. but they are allowed. they are part of the fabric of what you do. so, i'll use it, i'm a businessman. now that i've turned politician, i hate to say that almost about myself, but now that i'm running for office, i know the game better than anybody. i'm the one that can fix all of this stuff. when you say talk -- i never went corrupt, you -- bankrupt, you understand i never went
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business leaders, every once in awhile i have 500 companies, so many different companies and very few i will take advantage of frankly by using the laws of the land. as every other major business person does. >> dickerson: that's what i want to ask about the playing of the game. when you were with ben carson who endorsed you this week you said he was pathological then both of you said, well, that was just politics. so, you're saying it's just the game. but if the most serious things you say are just politics, it's just the game, then why isn't everything you're saying just a game not politics totally open to revision? >> well, that is politics. i say bad things about people. they say bad things about me. actually ben wrote it in his book. i just read sections of his book. i read what ben wrote. i'm not going to make up anything. i could tell you about john kasich he's done a terrible job in ohio people think he's done good j. he's losing his businesses. real estate taxes have gone
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not raising taxes, the real estate taxes in ohio have gone through the roof, he approved nafta now he's voting for ppp which is going to be worse than nafta. going to take all the car industry, everything else out. his coal industry is dead. you know, give me a break. you tell me about how goodies doing, he's doing terrible job for ohio. >> dickerson: we're out of time, mr. trump. thanks so much. >> thank you. dickerson: among those arrested friday night at the chicago trump event was cbs news reporter so pan who covers donald trump for the network he spoke to cbs news producer charlie brooks. >> it was tense right from the start. there were protesters, hundreds of them. many scuffles broke out but nothing too serious at that point.
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there was an announcement. that donald trump was concerned about security and postponing the rally there was total pandemonium inside the arena. lots of cursing, people pushing and shoving on both sides. both supporters and protesters. eventually i went outside. i saw a group of police officers running towards an area of protesters. i had my camera, i jet along with them through this area. i get to this crowd there's a man being arrested. his head is bloodied on the ground. and i'm shooting, this the protesters at this point had shut down the street. the police officers are saying -- another scuffle bricks out i'm shooting this scuffle. and before i knew it, a police officer, at least one police officer maybe multiple pulled me
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and bashed my face into the street. then police officer put his boot to my neck and cuffed me. i am continuously identifying myself as press, i said i have credentials. but they're not listening to me. eventually they put me in to the back of this police van along with the man that was bloodied and another gentleman. and it's pitch black, then i was in handcuffs for maybe an hour before policeman took me to the station, processed me, cuff me again at the station. and where the police officers told me i was being charged with resisting arrest. >> you've been covering this campaign for awhile. have you seen tensions build? how would you characterize the mood in these events over last couple of weeks or month? >> there have been protests going on at donald trump rallies for months and months and months. this is nothing new. however there has been a recent
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that was unprecedented. there had been other groups of coordinated protests at pep rallies but nothing as massive as what i saw last night. >> do you that have any impressions of the sort of people that were making up the bulk of the protesters? >> well, according to people i talked to, that was one of the organizers, told me there were countless groups, there was coordinated effort going back weeks as soon as they heard that donald trump was coming here. person i talked to last night said he couldn't tell me how many were involved because there were so many. unclear how many were there but certainly whole bunch of different, including black lives matter, vulgar chants in mum tim languages. diverse group. i wile say most were young. injured he is back on the campaign trail with donald trump today. we now want to turn to ohio governor john kasich who joins us from cleveland. governor, i want to start with something you said about donald
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for a national leader to prey on the fears of people who live in our country. how exactly is he preying an fears? >> well, he's done a lot of name calling, he's created a very toxic atmosphere where he's -- look, start with immigration, do you want to start with the things that he has said about muslims. where does it end? it's putting one group against another and it's created a toxic atmosphere i'm not going to tell i in his rally some of these people don't show up who want to he create problems. that happens in all volatile situations. but, you know, john, look, america is greatest strength is its people. and our greatest strength in people is when we're unified. there's no doubt that he's run this divisive campaign it's concerning to me. at the end of the day he's not going to be the nominee. we're going to learn from this. and i'm going to win ohio on tuesday, we'll be competing all
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going to be a new day, just wait and see. >> dickerson: one of the things he says, that others say, too, the voters are just angry he's not preying on fears this is just the nature anger that's out there. talk about that line a little bit, difference between voters who are angry and then the politicians who poke at that anger. >> well, look, i think first of all there are people that are upset. they're worried about their jobs and their wages, which haven't gone up. they put their money in the bank get no interest their kids are still living in the home after a college degree. these are real concerns. i said it in the first debate that he was tapping in to something out there, the reason i understand it is because i grew up in that environment as a kid. but the way you get those voters is to tell them how you can fix things. that's why i always talk about the strength of my record. whether it was in washington, help can this economy to tray off or whether it's been in ohio with the creation of over 400,000 new jobs here. i also think you can walk into a
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you can put them in really bad mood or walk into that same room you can get them to be hopeful. i notice this everywhere i go because when i show up i talk about the way we can fix things. how people need to work together and don't wait for somebody tolls show up, begin to change the world in the world in which you live. and the hopefulness of it i think works. frankly, since i've been so positive it must be contagious because last debate was sweet, right? themselves. at that last debate when everybody was talking about trade it seems like republican party trade is now a bad word. you voted for nafta, donald trump trying to use that against you. who is the promoter of free trade now in the republican party? >> well, sort of interesting, john, because i've always been a fair trader and a free trader at the same time. in 2001 i helped the steel companies to get 201 trade restraint so they could consolidate and be stronger.
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that we need to have an expedited process when people cheat we shut their products down. but that doesn't take away from the fact that we have to be involved in the global market because one out of every five workers are connected to it. 38 million americans have jobs that are connected to trade. we do want to have free trade but want to have fair trade and expedited process to say that when you're cheatings, we're going to take action against you that would include manipulation of currency. >> dickerson: politics, you said you're going to win ohio. marco rubio said his voters should vote for you in ohio are you saying your voters should vote for him in florida? >> john, it's really hard to tell your voters to go vote for somebody else. i'm not campaigning in florida, my focus has been in this state. and in illinois. and look, at the end, this is not like stop somebody this is about my telling people the way the country ought to be run. the experience that i've had.
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i can give them the hope that we actually can pull the country together, remember we're americans before republicans and democrats. and solve our most vehicles can problems, frankly using conservative principles. >> dickerson: americans before republicans. that's actually an argument people are using against donald trump, some of your rifles seem to be wobbley whether they're going to stick with that pledge and support him, where are you on that? >> well, i'd like to support the nominee. but he's not going to be the nominee. that's just not going to happen. but i said at the last debate he makes it difficult. we'll see how this goes. i mean, he's got to have -- begin to lift people stop dividing people and the toxic environment must end. this is not making us proud. think of the videos that have been shown all over the world of people slugging it out at campaign rally. there are people around the world that are shaking their heads who are saying, what the heck is happened to america? we'll be fine. the people are smart, they're going to make the right decision
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>> dickerson: now to the democratic race. the cbs battleground has hillary clinton up almost 30 points over bernie sanders in florida. compared to senator sanders at 43%. illinois shows much tighter race, senator sanders is up two points over secretary clinton's 48 and 46. we go now to bernie sanders who is in st. louis, this morning, good morning, senator. donald trump says he might start sending protesters to your rallies. >> well, you know, donald trump has been an incredibly divisive figure day after day, his rhetoric is incite can violence. we have seen videos of some of his supporters responding to
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by sucker punching them. we have seen recently charges leveled against his own campaign manager for assaulting a female reporter. so, there's a lot of this fumes about violence coming from trumps campaign, i very much hope that he understands that in democracy people should be allowed to go to anybody's rally peacefully demonstrate without fear of being beaten up. i hope he tones it down. this is not good for the country. >> dickerson: do you encourage some of your protesters, some of the protesters at some of your -- supporters i should say are going to these rallies, would you encourage them to keep doing that? >> no, not to disrupt rallies. trump, i won't shock you john by telling that you donald trump liza whole lot. he calls me a communist, that's a lie. to suggest that our campaign is telling people to disrupt his campaign is a lie. we don't. we have millions of supporters and some of them will do what
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but our campaign has never, not once, organized any effort to disrupt mr. trump's rallies are or anybody else's. >> dickerson: in contest with hillary clinton she has said that she was way out in front on health care back in 1993 and she wonders where you were on that issue back then. what's your response? >> well, i think there's a video, a photograph or something of me right by her side. i have always said that hillary clinton did very, very good job as first lady. she kind of broke the mold as to what a first lady should be doing. but to criticize me on health care is not quite fair because i have been a leader in congress from day one. in the fight for universal health care to make certain that in united states we join the rest of the industrialized world, guaranteed health care to all people. affordable care act i worked with congressman on major initiative.
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health centers so that millions of people now have health care who previously would not have health care. i have led the effort to take on the greed and unconscionable pricing of the drug companies who are ripping us off, charging us the highest prices in the world such that millions of americans can't afford medicine that they need. i don't have to defend myself to anybody about the role i have played in health care. i do believe that we should move to medicare for all health care system which finally says that health care is a right, to all people in our country something which differentiates me. >> dickerson: talk about politics a little bit here. on these election day you had big surprise win in michigan, real momentum booster at the end of the day hillary clinton got more delegates that happened on almost every election day. if that keeps hanking she's going to get the nomination. >> well, john to, everybody's
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campaign, we were 3% in the poles about 70 points behind hillary clinton. since then we have won nine states, eight of them by very large margins. one in michigan was very tight. last week all of the pollsters predicted that we would lose michigan by 15 to,, 25 points. well, we ended up winning. i think we have a lot of momentum in illinois. in ohio, in missouri. i think we'll do better than and florida. we're looking for ward to very good tuesday and winning the >> dickerson: we'll talk about it after those rules. we'll be right back. bout success, what does it look like? is it becoming a better by being a more adventurous student? is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves?
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