i had planned. >> robertson: did anybody?s with folks, we started to whip it. you know, we were asking yes/no. and we were getting the yeses. the speaker already knew. what our count was. he found out. >> camerini: the news about cantor wasn't the worst news of the week. >> breaking tonight, disturbing new images of the unprecedented crisis along our southern border where thousands of young children are surging across, many without any parents, and the u.s. basically doesn't know what to do with them. the president is likely to take his pen and his phone and do something. his critics say that's how we got in this position of these children and their parents believing they could cross with impunity. what say you? >> most of those who have made it to our border, 60,000 this year, a quarter of a million estimated over the next two years... >> camerini: in just about a week, 7,212 republican primary voters in eric cantor's congressional district and non-stop media coverage of a border invasion told republican house members all th

for pat robertson.erson you just quoted is correct. the seventh commandment clearly states you shall not commit adultery. it does not say you should not commit adultery unless your spouse is not acting right. you obviously try to work things out in a mutual set of love and respect. that's how it works. that's what marriage is about. but these kinds of comments obviously, he has a history of saying things like this. i think a lot of these things are taken out of context. i think a lot of these things are a sort of per version of scripture. it's clear you shouldn't commit adulte adultery. i think pat robertson knows that. i do agree partially with the statement is, yes, we are all sinners. men are sinners. but so are women as well. the fact of the matter is, when you about ut two sinners together, there's a lot of sin in the relationship. but you should seek christ first. i think that's what he would tell you. it doesn't fall all on the woman's responsibility to be a good wife. it doesn't prevent her bein

and that robertson was making plans to take physical action. the president was briefed about today's deadly incident. whit? >> whit: mola, thank you. >>> a new health care for senator dianne feinstein. the 90-year-old california democrat tripping and falling at her home in san francisco. her office says she went to the hospital briefly for tests, and is now back home. but the incident comes amid growing concerns about the senator's health, and whether she's fit to serve. here's abc's mary bruce. >> reporter: tonight, california senator dianne feinstein is recovering after tripping over a chair at her home in san francisco, according to her staff. her office says the 90-year-old "briefly went to the hospital yesterday afternoon as a precaution after a minor fall. all of her scans were clear, and she returned home." it comes amid growing concerns and debate over the health and age of lawmakers in congress, and their ability to serve. >> hi, everybody. >> reporter: the oldest member of congress, fine seinstein was hospitalized earlier this year fo

james robertson: generally. james robertson: -- general lee.ld just to why he was the nation's greatest reconciliatory when northerners and southerners are butting heads, he was talking about reconciliation. it was a necessity of bringing the nation back together again. he demonstrated that by taking a bankrupt college and making it an international institution. washington and lee university. and the way, one of the ways he thought about reconciliation was to his credit and this, sounds critical, to his critical he forgot the past. he would not talk about the civil war. he would not grant you know breeze -- interviews or right memoirs. he would be certainly violently opposed to the confederate flag in any shape or phone -- for being shown. the war is over. i have lead people into battle and now i must leave men to peace. brian: our guest is professor james robertson. teacher at virginia tech. the book we are talking about, he has about 20 of them, after the civil war, the heroes, villains, civilians who changed america. we thank you for coming

and as nic robertson has been reporting, this all happened. it seems to be in response to that coalition and the allied forces. of course, the u.s. being one of them, firing on libya today and also french aircraft in the area in place. britain sending in aircraft as well. france also helping out in this. and they will all join the coalition forces in the air at least. president obama, the u.s. president, has said no ground forces. he's not promising that now. let's listen in a little bit to the firing and the unrest in tripoli. for those of you who are just tuning in, i want to welcome our viewers from around the world. you're watching cnn's breaking news coverage of the unrest in libya. what you're hearing, firing going on in tripoli right now. cnn's nic robertson covering that part of the story for us. he is in tripoli. he's our senior international correspondent. nic is getting in place so he can speak to us. there you can see him in the corner of your screen. and as soon as nic is available to speak to us, we will get him live, if we can.

why is robertson,sk!aka, that crazyep) guy, republican presidential candidates to moderate their rhetoric. >> i believe it was lyndon johnson that't these people realize if theyh me to extreme position i'll lose the election. they i can't win. they have to stop this. it's counter productive. >> jon: not that the things you are saying are wrong or poli crazy that you're keep it our little secret. [ laughter ] what he is telling the g.o.p. field is this: if you tell people what we honestly believe, an electoral majority of of those people will freak the (bleep) he is saying the first ru right club, don't talk about right club. [ laughter ] by the way -- [cheers and applause] -- i want to make this very clear -- [cheers and applause] the second rule of right club, make du consents. [ laughter ] we'll be right back. [ laughter ] we call back in black. ♪ ♪ daysis idea lockic call and it's us. but our innocent children have fresh eyes perspective, which is why we have toto theml solve all the problems us look j

nothing offensive about what phil robertson said. but one of the things he said, black people were happy and better off before the civil rights movement. >> right. >> i've noticed that the right is not explicitly defending that. they're pretending he didn't say it. why do you suppose that is? >> we don't count. again, this is, again, among those victimized, this is why it's important as martin luther king jr. said, i'm not russia, but i would speak out against it. i'm not catholic, but if it happens against catholics, i'll speak out. i want gay and -- i've been critical of black people not speaking up for gay people. that's number one. we are relegated to the margins here. happy? we were trying to fake out white people and convince them so we could survive long enough to. jim crow, it was a system that where black people could lose their lives. where rape was a reality for african-american women. where lynching was a reality for african-american men. and mexicans, by the way. and it was one of the most vicious systemic acts of injust

nick robertson is there. nic? >> reporter: anderson, 76 people injured so far we're told switch of them seriously injured taken away by paramedics on the scene within minutes. the fire service spokesman said that a 30 foot by 30 foot section of the ceiling in this more than 100 year old theater collapsed on the audience below. eyewitnesss we told you said they were injured about the first 40 minutes of the performance. then it was dark. then there was an indication of people starting to react to something. they thought it was part of the performance. then they said there was a cracking, a creaking sound from the ceiling. the ceiling began to bend and it gave way. all of a sudden, showers of plaster and wood work on the audience below. people got out relatively quickly. ushers they say opened the doors for them. people helping those sitting next to them to get out. we're told by the eyewitnesss, that as they were inside the theater, they were then helped out into a neighboring theater where they were given medical

that is something that i guess phil robertson did not see. he never saw anything like that with his own eyes. >> that is is a perfect example because it speaks to our relationship between these two groups. there is a cast system in which people at the lower end of the cast system were not permitted to do such basic things to be able to look a white person in the eye. they were not permitted to shake the hand of a person of a different race. so in this particular case in bill russel's father's case, he was actually going to get gas and the culture of that world was that white people were to be served first and so bill russel's father had been waiting to be served and waiting to be served and it had taken so long because people were coming in and cutting in front of him, which was the standard, the culture. he sought to back out and as he was backing out, the station owner held a gun to his head and said you will leave when i say you can leave. they fled that region of louisiana and went to california -- they went to oakland. if that family had

phil robertson has every right to be a bigot. robertson's employer has made a business decision in suspecting him. this is a free market at work, folks. this is capitalism at work. and the a & e network is a private business, a business trying to protect its relationship with viewers and advertisers. suspending robertson. it just seems really strange that they don't understand the suspension. no one in the government, no one anywhere, is telling phil robertson he can't go out anywhere across america and say the exact same things tonight that he did in that interview to "gq" magazine. joining me now for our rapid response panel, goldie taylor of the grio.com. and also the ring of fire radio host, mike papantonio. great to have you with us tonight. i've got a lot of opinions on this. my talk show the last two days has been one call after another. pat, why are politicians even jumping into this dispute? ted cruz, who is always jumping in front of the parade. you've got bobby jindal, who has got a successful show in his own backyard

robertson's defense, standing behind him.pect he is now going to be an even bigger star on the right. he is going to come out okay. he be came their new big hero. >> eugene robinson. go ahead quickly. >> that may be a slight misreading joy of the audience. the awed jns mudience may be brn the dem graphic that would agree. from that standpoint. i don't think there is a lot of african-americans watching this show, on a & e. >> one thing about the net works. they have the research. they know who their audience is. >> down to the decimal point. >> gene. >> jimmy: all -- and joy, none s having seen duck dine streeynad. a swing at hillary clinton over the old iraq war vote. [ male announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a

robertson's defense, standing behind him. now going to be an even bigger star on the right. he is going to come out okay. he be came their new big hero. >> eugene robinson. go ahead quickly. >> that may be a slight misreading joy of the audience. the audience may be broader than the dem graphic that would agree. from that standpoint. i don't think there is a lot of african-americans watching this show, on a & e. >> one thing about the net works. they have the research. they know who their audience is. >> down to the decimal point. >> gene. >> jimmy: -- and joy, none of us having seen duck dynasty. a swing at hillary clinton over the old iraq war vote. ♪ [ male announcer ] if we could see energy... what would we see? ♪ the billions of gallons of fuel that get us to work. ♪ we'd see all the electricity flowing through the devices that connect us and teach us. ♪ we'd see that almost 100% of medical plastics are made from oil and natural gas. ♪ and an industry that supports almost 10 million american jobs. life takes energy. and

why is pat robertson,sk!aka, that crazy (bleep) g republican presidential derate their rhetoric. >> i believe it was lyndon johnson thataid don't these people realize if they to an extreme position lose the election. can't win. they have to stop this. it's counter productive. >> jon: not that the things you are saying are wrong or or that you're right, but let's keep it our little secret. [ laughter ] what he is telling the g.o.p. field is this: if you tell people what we honestly believe, electoral majority those people will freak the (bleep) out. he is saying the right club, don't talk about club. [ laughter ] by the way -- [cheers and applause] -- i want to make this clear -- [cheers and applause] the second rule of right club, make the consents. [ laughter ] w [ laughter ] >> welcome back. this is back in black. >> everything we do these days is idea lockic call ankilling u but our innocent freshive,ich is why we have them they'll solve all the pro make look occupy wall street had the right idea when orga

so when the star phil robertson said what he said, it was not the reality show phil robertson talking, it was presumably the real phil robertson which led the network to suspend him. is any of this worth fighting over? one thing is clear, to a and it's worth millions. in 2012 this family made their debut on a and e. "duck dynasty" is a reality show that made a fortune in products for duck hunters. >> 40 years ago my father phil robertson invented a revolutionary duck caller that changed our life forever. >> reporter: the star of the show, phil robertson. >> my happiness is killing things. >> reporter: robertson is plain spoken religious traditional sort of guy. >> here is the deal, cell phones, not for me. texting i'm like no, shut it down, turn it off. >> reporter: in the four seasons the show has been on the air, he's never been afraid to express your opinion. >> if you're wop cooks better than your mama, you got one. >> reporter: it's that unfiltered opinion that makes it the most-watched program on america. >> kids in america today are fat, lazy. >> reporter: in the january issue

pat robertson was 93 years old.a desjardins. ♪ amna: a new report released by unicef, the united nations children's fund, contains an appalling statistic -- each day, 20 children are killed or maimed in conflicts around the world. that is since they began recording data in 2005. a staggering 315,000 grave violations against children have been verified by the u.n. thousands of children have been abducted, recruited into armed conflicts and subjected to sexual violence in global conflicts over the last two decades. now, this is a very tough subject. and a warning, we should say some viewers may be disturbed by some of the details in the conversation i had earlier about this report with unicef's executive director, catherine russell. help us understand the context here. how do you gather these numbers? and are these conservative estimates or worst-case scenarios? catherine: i think you make such a good point, which is, these are quite conservative estimates. these are cases of -- where we can actually verify what happe

they can't just embrace phil robertson. you know what, never mind, it's his point of view and now he's thought about it. there is going to have to be some kind of reconciliation in which, for example, phil robertson apologizes for offending people. i mean, glaad has reached out to say look, we would like to work with him, you know, he did offer an initial apology, you recall. but he doesn't want to apologize for his religion and i think that's really where you're trying to thread that needle. a & e doesn't want to offend christian viewers, that's a huge number, and as they pointed out, by the way, the bible, that hit series, was theirs. >> corinthians. he was quoting corinthians. it's a difficult pickle they find themselves in. >> there is a way out. there is a way for phil robertson to recognize he has offended people and to apologize in some way, to maybe do some outreach and there's a way for a & e to welcome him back and they have the time to do that because the show is on hiatus. >> they will need to do it because they

phil robertson not out of the line with the arrogant god haters. radical gays have made hateful anti-gay statements. even if that's true, how does one justify the other? >> a&e has every right as an employer -- it kills me that libertarians and people on the right are saying, employers shouldn't be able to tell their employers wh employees what to say. >> but a lot of people say, look, this network knew who phil robertson was, what his views are. of course he's going to be controversial. that was why he was hired. >> yeah. but the fact he knew he might say this, once he said something that they felt damages the brand, they have every right to pull out of it. >> right. and so -- >> and they didn't fire him. they suspended him, howie, for god sake. and with the money this show makes, you think they're not going to bring him back at some point? listen, this whole talk about the patriarch, like he's abraham, he makes duck whistles, duck calls. >> what about the fact that there is a boycott now of a&e among some people. it looked bad with gay rights gro

tweets on phil robertson getting the boot from "duck dynasty."ght to say what he wants and there is a right to fire him. and another, a and e was correct and it is a corporate decision and has nothing to do with freedom of speech and religion. and another, he can say what he wants lose show, followers and political correctness is fashist. and another, the upcoming season is moot. it will blow over and then a and e will have the another hick show. i can't keep an eye on every local newscast in the country, but have i some help. none other than conan o'brian through some investigative reporting his show found a striking similarity this season among america's local anchors. >> who are you really shopping for this holiday season? it is okay. you can admit if you bought an item or two or 10 for yourself. >> it is okay. you can admit it if you have bought an item or two or 10 for yourself. >> you can admit it. you bought an item or two or 10 for yourself. >> you can admit it. if you have bought an item or two or 10 for yourself. >> you can admit it. >>

phil robertson did nothing wrong. he just did not shy away from the parts of accepting christ that make people uncomfortable. he loves people so much he's not willing to give people a fast pass to hell by not telling them they're not sinners. he did not judge. he just held up the yardstick. where is the middle on someone who believes that because you are gay you are going to hell, that you yourself are a sin, that your entire being is sinful? where do you find the middle on that. >> people are entitled to their opinions, beliefs, you can say what you like. >> you said meet them in the middle. >> we can meet them in the middle when it comes to kbal rights for gay and lesbians. >> what do you think about phil robertson? >> what's happened is people didn't ask, people didn't want to put the conversation out there. they immediately want to -- >> i think people tried to ask and say, what's going on here. part of what happened as to someone's own grandfather called me a sin because i'm mixed race, looking at his comments wh

robertson created a global network but did not stop there.minds - and in the 1970s founded the private, christian regent university as well as a national legal foundation. >> it shows his business acumen to a certain extent. you know, he was someone that i would call maybe a serial entrepreneur. >> it's pretty early to be talking presidential politics for 1988, but the people who do have started including the name of pat robertson in the list of possible republicans. correspondent: his white house bid was a longshot, but he found his base, christian conservative voters and finished second in the iowa caucuses. >> i entered the race so i might speak out on great moral issues confronting our nation. and i entered the race to win. i did not win. correspondent: robertson turned his failed presidential campaign into a movement launching the christian coalition, reaching directly to churches that reshape politics in america. and was pivotal in the 1994 gop takeover of the u.s. house. >> pat robertson was crucial to building the evangelical movement

why is pat robertson,sk!aka, that crazy (bleep) guy,ublican presidential candidates to mode their rhetoric. >> i believe it was lyndon johnson that said don't these if they extreme position i'll lose the election. they'll make i can't win. they have to stop this. it's counter productive. >> jon: not that the things you are saying are wrong or policy or callus or crazy but that you're right, but let's keep it our little secret. [ laughter ] is telling the g.o.p. field is this: if you tell people what we honestly believe, an electoral mority of of those people will freak the (bleep) out. he is saying the firstf right clu talk about club. by the way -- [cheers and applause] -- i want to clear -- [cheers and applause] the second rule right club, the consents. [ laughter ] back. [ laughter ]>> welcome back. all back in ♪ >> everything these daysea lockic but our innocent children have fresh eyes an perspective,we have to do to them us look jerkoffs. [ laughter ] the par zuccoti park lweekend. [inaudible] well swee

that something was pat robertson. specifically pat robertson's school the year after mr. robertson ran for president. bob mcdonnell was not a kid at this point in his life. he was married, had kids of his own, a mid-career change undertaken by an adult. at pat robertson's university while bob mcdonnell was in his mid-30s, the republican's party vision for the family the compelling issue of the decade. leaders, bob mcdonnell argued correct the folklore of church and state. to punish could habitate tors, homosexuals or fornicators. man's basic nature is inclined toward evil, when the exercise of liberty takes the shape of pornography, drug abuse or homosexuality, hey, that is me, the government must restrain, punish and deter. bob mcdonnell said the supreme court ruling in griswold versus connecticut which says states can't criminalize contra shin he said that was i will lodge kay. he raged against the perverted notion of liberty, each individual should live out his sexual life in the way he chooses, without interference from the state. that was bob mcdonnell's vision for w

>> look, the robertson family aren't diplomats.y are reality tv show stars who are paid to say outrageous things on television and to entertain people with their comments. i think his comments were crude at many points, i don't agree with the way he worded many things, but i think his central point was that there's an entire spectrum of immorality and the bible defines what sexual morality is. now, most of us wouldn't say it the way he said it but there are millions of christians and orthodox jews and muslims who agree there is a basic pattern of sexual morality. my concern is not so much with the robertsons or with reality tv. it's with the kind of culture in which we have the freedom to seek to talk with one another and persuade one another about issues that really matter. most of all, the question of the gospel of jesus christ. >> matt, there are tens of millions of americans who have similar deep religious beliefs about who is going to hell, what constitutes a sin. how do you respond to those who say that those people who have

prayed with robertson inside prison this month. your execution date is approaching. how do you how do you cope with that tried to keep hope alive. >> each and every day, you know? >> cnn spoke with robertson inside the death row prison unit. why should people believe that you didn't kill your daughters? >> because i didn't, you know he's like you or me. we can't make a personal believers you know, and stuff, you know? but i carry to the hospital and stuff, you know i didn't have nothing to hide. >> but you didn't violently shake? no, sir. your daughter did yet letter never develops shaker all i was accused of and never did why do you think you were convicted? because i couldn't explain what happened to her. lasted you're guilty. and that way as acting funny because of my autism. it you know, head out to two, i was here. >> brian wharton is the former police detective who helped convict robertson. he says he's ashamed and now believes robertson is innocent. this week, robertson asked wharton to be with his family and friends in the

robertson and that also the right of empty robertson to give his personal religious views as supportedy the scriptures. for too long, the silent majority has wered silent when we ought to be speaking up in support of these constitutional issues. and that -- i just think we need to publicly get to moving and get the people fired up. >> now, your resolution calls robertson a hero, but let me play devil's advocate a little bit here. even his family said that his remarks were coarse. >> i agree. >> you would agree with that. do you think in that case that. >> i don't greet with the way in which he said some of the things. i don't agree with putting the bestiality in the conversation because that's completely foreign to the issue that he started out on. and also, i don't believe in what he had to say about the african-americans. that he grew up having no complaints about their life. we understand they didn't complain because they were afraid to. and we've got that behind us, i believe. i didn'tdon believe in either of those issues but the other issue he spoke upon, that's still a relevant i

back to nic robertson.ou have a much better sense what's going on and you say you've not seen anything along these lines. here comes some more rockets into gaza, israeli planes flying overhead. give us your sense of enormity of this development right now? >> reporter: wolf, i'm standing next to our cameraman who is filming this. we have a high vantage point overlooking gaza, and it looks to us as if this is on the northern edge towards gaza city. as ben said, there is open ground from the border fence that you saw or you're about to see because i'm seeing it in realtime, a big flash coming out from the epicenter of that smoke. this is the biggest, most sustained use of flares, and it appears smoke as well on the ground. we've seen in recent days beginning of the incursion how the idf used heavy smoke to blanket the area. this is a military tactic so that they can move in unseen. we're seeing it again now. we're seeing big flashes at the southern end of that smoke, and what the idf is describing this evening

meanwhile robertson remains on a forced break from the show but he's getting an olive branch now fromkely source. the nation's largest republican lgbt group, the log cabin republicans. joining me now in the studio, that group's executive director, gregory angelo. let's talk about this, this olive branch, so to speak. your group, you want to sit down for what you're dubbing a moonshine summit to talk it out with phil robertson, saying that, hey, in the spirit of the season, let's have a drink, let's have a glass, and realize that we are more alike than we are different. is that a pair characterization of what you guys want to do? >> yeah, exactly. in fact i think there's no one better to make this case than log cabin republicans. rather than a bunch of liberals coming in from los angeles to wag their fingers and admonish the robertson family, i think the best way to make the case for gay equality is to take gay conservatives from the other l.a., louisiana, to show that we are christians too. we are god-fearing people as well. we're also strong conservatives and we have more in common t

now me, cy and the whole robertson clan, we're all multimillionaires and we're famous.t was in america loving god, ask for his blessings, work hard, you say i'm all in. if this thing goes, it goes. if it doesn't, we'll try something else. so i'm just living example in the u.s. it's america, man. suck it up and get after it and go to work, come up with an idea, come up with something. you know, a lot of hard work, long hours and now we're seeing the fruits of our labor and, you know, with this much government assistance. it's an american success story. there are many just like me who do the same thing. >> i've been trying to get people jobs in the energy industry. i partner with the energy companies in north dakota and midland, texas. we have thousands of people jobs now. high paying. if you have a ged, you can start at $75,000 a year. if i was making that when i was working hard, good money. but yet, one political question. i won't get too political. 50 million americans on food stamps. 50 million americans on poverty. the lowest labor participation rate since 1978. tha

robertson should lose hi tv show when the public scorn impacts its ratings. quote scripture and cast doubt on gay's admittance to the kingdom of god. "we never, ever judge someone on who's going to heaven or hell. that's the almighty's job. we just love 'em, give 'em the good news about jesus. whether they're homosexuals, drunk, terrorists, we let god sort them all out later. see what i'm saying?" yes, we say what you're saying. you believe in a moral equivalency between gays, drunks, and al qaeda. but a&e should not put the star on indefinite hiatus from filming. in a statement, a&e said, we are extremely disappointed to read phil robertson's comments in "gq" which are not reflected in the series, "duck dynasty." his personal views in no way reflect the views of the a&e networks who have been strong champions of the lbgt community. the network has placed robertson under hiatus from filming indefinitely. that's ridiculous. it's a contradiction in terms to suspend an actor from a program that bills itself has a reality tv show. my hunch is that the hiatus is a

robertson stood by his comments and his fans stood by him. one online petition to have him reinstated surpassed its goal of gathering 250,000 signatures and a & e ran a "duck dynasty" marathon on christmas day. joining me, our senior media correspondent and host of reliable sources, of course. this is a big topic on your show last sunday. we've been talking about this. this is more than just a television show. this particular story, brian, struck a cultural nerve. how is a & e justifying its decision? >> they are trying to do that with a five paragraph statement that said, well, well, the family acknowledged some of his words and well, we're going to put on a psa campaign with commercial that's promote tolerance. the truth is there is not a lot they can say. they say "duck dynasty" is not a show about one man's views frlg it resonates a large audience and is for family. it feel like a & e is caving. >> this announcement comes on a friday during washington. you know as well as i do, when washington wants to dump anything and even people in pub

the suspension remains against phil robertson.amily has rallied around him saying they don't know if they want to continue if the patriarch isn't part of this. we had fox news host bill o'reilly, he called robertson's remarks about this in reference to the lgbt community a mistake. did that surprise you? >> well, it did surprise me. maybe bill is too caught up with the war on christmas to take -- to launch another battle here, but you had newt gingrich, who is an admitted adulterer coming out and saying that he thought phil robertson sounded like pope francis. i don't think pope francis would be talking about comparing gay rights and homosexuals to beastiality. reality shows often don't show us the full reality. they certainly didn't with sarah palin's reality show. now we're seeing who this guy really is and americans have the right to judge him, not judge him, watch him, not watch him and a & e has the right to keep him on as the face of their channel or not. this is real reality. sorry. >> it's where capitalism meets free speec

robertson is a staunch christian. but not all publicity is good publicity. we have brian stelter. woe have entertainment pr and brand specialist marvet, and host of "the 11th hour." don lemon. brian stelter to you, first, i want to begin with a&e. they got on this like, boom, four hours after "gq" and he's on hiatus, indefinite hiatus. >> the backlash has been tremendous. i was wondering if a&e would say something new, maybe they would change their stance, defend themselves, but nothing. no comment from a&e. i think they're trying to weather the storm out there on the internet, but i think the robertson family might comment. i'm not sure what they might say. maybe they'll defend their father, say they have a good relationship with a&e. >> i'm going to say they're getting their ducks in a row. >> boom. >> they need to do that. >> the word hiatus. that tells you something. >> how do you make of the fact they jumped on it, so they jumped on it, but then, where do they know from there? >> they jumped on it and now they're

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you should be dismayed over the treatment of phil robertson. louisiana governor bobby jindal defended his home state hero. >> to me this is an issue about religious liberty, freedom of expression. it's about the fact left keeps saying they are for tolerance except for people that disagree with them. stunning to me after all those ant ins miley cyrus is still on tv and phil is the one getting kicked off. >> robertson's offensive homophobic remarks obscured his remarks about race, how happy they were inch the jim crow south. i never saw with my eyes mistreatment, not once. where i live, the blacks they worked for the farms. i hoed cotton with them. across the field, singing and happy. i never heard one person say, i'll tell you what, white people -- pre-entitlement, they were happy. no one was singing the blues except that's where the blues came from was the south. joining me from buzz feed kate adding to the panel. nobody singing the blues in the south where the blues came from because they were happy. why is it the right went over the remarks o

so if he wants everyone to say, phil robertson wants all muslims to convert or die.not what happened. the extremist element that are torturing people and beheading that killed two american journalists, you can either convert or die. we know they prefer to die. they want to die in battle. that's why they're provoking us into this conflict one time again. >> don't you agree with what he said? that these radicals need to have a clear, unambiguous message. if you do this, if you continue, you will die. you would agree with that? >> yes. and i would agree isis is a major problem not just in this country but abroad. and our president has done nothing or just a little bit -- >> say that again? >> i know. the president has done very little to teach the american people, to talk to the american people and to be very vocal and say isis is bad, they're wrong and we are going to go after them. they've beheaded two americans and killing innocent people. >> they said we didn't have a strategy caused joe biden to go out and say we'll chase them to the gates of hell. pretty confusing

robertson and the robertson family, these are people who love god, who believe that they shouldn't beudging anybody, that they are calle to love everyone and show stability and respect for everyone, even those that they disagree with, but i think what the broader culture has to do and that's why many people have risen up in the last 48 hours to defend the robertson family is the larger and broader culture has to respect the authenticity and genuineness of the faith testimony of christians and faithfully catholics and when they say they believe the bible and quote it, just sanction them, to punish them, to fire them, to mistreat them because all they have done is express that faith, i think has no place in america. >> well,y didn't fire them yet. we'll get to that in a second. what about what ralph is saying, michaela? they are saying they believe what they believe, an authentic feeling they hold. you suggested this is part of a bigger civil war. >> i agree to a certain extend. this is very authentic. this is very true and core to their believes, but a very, very narrow sequestered fun

robertson, there's no evidence he had the guns. but if he did have the guns, they're antique guns because he's an antique gun hobbyist. put those specifics aside. here's where we are. six months after the insurrection, so many back and forth arguments from defendants and prosecutors over whether to simply be held in jail pending trial. trial itself, that's a long ways off. the first major trial to be scheduled so far in this insurrection, chris, is the accused oath keepers group. the trial date is late january, 2022. that's a year after the insurrection. it's worth mentioning some of the defendants in that case are being held in jail pretrial, which means they'll have served a year in jail just to get to the trial date. the basic point here, chris, is we're closer to the starting line than to the finish line of most of these cases. >> that's a really good point and you and i have talked about this before, the sheer volume and capacity issues and the one d.c. office dealing with it. you mentioned the oath keepers. it seems to me the