archer and mr. biden. now the media also noticed the same day an abc news reporter asked obama house press secretary jay carney about it. here's what happened. hunter biden is not taking a position with. the largest oil and gas company holding company in ukraine. is there any concern about this, the appearance of a of a conflict there? senior president, i would refer you to the vice president's office. i saw those reports. you know, hunter biden and other members of the biden family are obviously private citizens and where they work is not does not an endorsement by the administration or by the vice president or president. but i would refer you to the vice president's office the next day, the washington post ran a story about it. it said the appointment of the vice president's son. a ukrainian oil board looks nepotistic at best. nefarious at worst. again, the appointee of the vice president's son to a ukrainian oil board looks nepotistic at best, nefarious worst. and the media didn't stop questioning askin

archers testimony on the screen.s getting at the because the clock is ticking. >> biden family taken from a said the biden family was the product or the brand and is fair to say and quotes that joe biden was the brand and obviously most value to the brand. i make the case because the president's son was addicted to drugs and he was frequently prostitutes i suspect his value of a brand was pretty low compared to his father who was a vice president ofue the united states. i mean companies brands or products whether it's a food company or a car company or shoe company. they brand it because it provides trust by their buyers from their buyers. this committee first release a memo in 2023 that show that less than two months after the vice president left officer state energy hk limited sent robertson walker again a very close friend and business associate, associate of the biden family $3 million shortly thereafter literally the next day and within the next series of days, robinson walker sent over $1 million to the biden f

devin archer said that's categorically false.s, quote, aware of hunter's business, he met with hunter's business partners. i recommend that all members of this committee oppose this misguided amendment and i ask to submit to the record devin archer's interview where he says one democratic claim about the biden business categorically false and that was what i just mentioned with respect to joe's involvement, knowledge in businesses. >> without objection, so ordered. now the minority party and chair recognizes -- >> thank you, mr. chairman. i quickly want to clarify that when i mentioned that the majority had run to the press and misrepresented what happened in that interview yesterday, the point was that they misrepresented what happened in the interview and i know that for a fact because somebody shared with me the text message that the republican staff sent around all the and i also heard directly from the press. >> thank you very much. fascinated by this exchange because most committees i've been on when the transcripts are rel

archer and mr. biden, media alsoce noticed same day abc newssa reporter asked obama white house stress secretary k. >> hunter biden taken a position with largest oil and gas company in ukraine. is there a concern about the appearance of a conflict there? vice president's son. >> i would refer you to vice president's office, i saw the reports. hunter biden and other members of the biden family are private citizens, and where they work is not reflect an endorsement by the administration or vice president or president, i would refer you toce the vice president's was on the. >> next day, the "washington post" ran ahi story about it. it said, appointmef vice president's son to a ukrainian oil board looks at best, neffarious at worst. . media done stop questioning -- didn't stop asking question its kept going. >> >> something strange happened. just 3 weeks later a ukraine an natural gas company, burisma accused of corrupt corruption appoints hunter biden to board of director paying his firm more than a mi

what about devon archer? mr. donaldson, the chairman, now want to disavow stir archer's testimony that mr. biggs entirely relies upon. they don't want him to come sit here. why? may be because he testified that joe biden never discussed business with hunter or other business associates. he got nothing from their businesses. and he never took any official acts related to the businesses. or maybe the american people might hear that this $3.5 million actually had nothing to do with hunter biden which is what devon archer testified. orvo what about hunter biden's partner and accountant. he also performed a number of administrative and bookkeeping tasks for then vice president biden and hunter biden. he saw vice president biden's bank accounts. and he told the committee that he was not aware of any involvement by president biden and the financial conduct of his relatives businesses, much less any transactions into or out of them vice president's bank account related to business conducted by any family member. the end

archer and mr. biden. the media also noticed the same day and abc news reporter asked the obama press secretary about it. here's what happened and picnics hunteren biden is not taking a position with the largest oil and gas company in ukraine. concerning concern about the appearance of a conflict there for the vice president? what ito would refer you to the vice president's office. i saw those reports. hunterer biden and other members of the biden family or office of the private citizens. where they work does not reflect an endorsement by the administration or by the vice president or president i refer you to the vice president's office. >> the nextay, the "washington post" ran a story aboutut it. itpp said, the appointme o the vice president son to a ukrainian oil board looks at best and nefarious at worst. again, the appointment of the vice president son to a ukrainian oil board looks nepotistic at best, nefarious at worst. and that mediate did not stop questioning asking questions it kept going here is

archer and mr. biden. now the media also noticed the same day an abc news reporter asked obama house press secretary jay carney about it. here's what happened. hunter biden is not taking a position with. the largest oil and gas company holding company in ukraine. is there any concern about this, the appearance of a of a conflict there? senior president, i would refer you to the vice president's office. i saw those reports. you know, hunter biden and other members of the biden family are obviously private citizens and where they work is not does not an endorsement by the administration or by the vice president or president. but i would refer you to the vice president's office the next day, the washington post ran a story about it. it saidheppointment of the vice president's son. a ukrainian oil boardoo nepotistic at best. nefarious at worst. again, the appointee of the vice president's son to a ukrainian oil board looks nepotistic at best, nefarious worst. and the media didn't stop questioning asking here.

archer and mr. biden. the media also noticed, the same day and abc news reporter asked for secretary jay carney about it, here's what happen. >> hunter biden has not taken a position with the largest oil and gas company in ukraine, is there any concern about the appearance of a conflict? >> i saw those reports, hunter biden and other members of the biden family are private citizens and where they were does not reflect an endorsement by the administration or the vice president or president but i referred to the vice president's office. >> the next day, the washington postan story about it. it saithappointment of the vice president's son to ukrainian oil board looks nepotistic at best, neff area set worst. again, the appointment of the vice president's son to ukrainian oil board looks nepotistic at best, neff area set worst. and the media didn't stop questioning, asking questions here, it kept going. here's abc. >> you have to fight the cancer of corruption. >> then something strange happened. just three wee

archer? >> got ukraine.membe our team that we should be providing time and i was supposed to announce there's not a billion-dollar loan guaranteed. the commitment that they would take action against a statethe state prosecutor and they didn't. they said were not going to give the billion dollars. the president said i said. i'm telling you you're not getting a billion dollars. the prosecutors not fired and he got fired. and put in place someone. >> i just wanted to put that up there. i do eventually want further efforts made to get hunter biden mr. archer we have joe biden himself bragging they got rid of a prosecutor who would have provided his son's business dealings. with more observation. i'll put it that way. now mr. b interviews with this committee you said joe biden not only knew about the family business dealings but enabled them and participated with them. you went so far as to say it's clear to me joe biden was the brand sold by the biden family. could youborate why he felt that way? >> corrected. t

archer has been chairman. in terms of enhancing the opportunity for people to benefit from the system that has never missed a payment. but, when this last time there was an increase in the social security program. it was indexed back in 1983. it has not been able to keep pace. it's an insurance program have any of your premiums and insurance gone up since 1983? yes, of course i have. everybody would acknowledge that. because we saw what could happen as my grandfather was alluding to, all of a sudden 2008 your for a 1k became out 101k. without having the counterbalance which is why we need more hearings, the counterbalance of knowing there is a safety net which you also have to contribute to and say for and participate in, in the event of taking risk that your government stands behind you that was the lesson of the great depression and i believe the lesser of 2008 as well. what other plans which you recommend in which you agree with that assessment about making sure the third leg of the stool is balanced as wel

archer replied, no, sir, i's here under protection of the law. he had no sooner said the word than one of them raised his bludgeon and knocked him down with a blow to the head. the others pulled out knives and pistols and kicked him in the face. then they handcuffed him and forcibly dragged the helpless man to their wagon, pushed him in and drove off at top speed toward the city. alexander eventually escaped from the slave catchers and returned to st. louis where he would live out the rest of his life. his biographer, elliot, ended up on the commission deciding what type of statue would go into lincoln park. the commission wants a real escaped slave to model for the statue, and elliot gave the sculptor a photograph of alexander. alexander was pleased when he found out that he would be forever connected with lincoln through the statue in washington. quote, when i showed him the photographic picture of the freedom's memorial monument soon after its inauguration in washington and explained to him its meaning and that he would thus be remembered in c

all three men devon archer chris heinz and hunter biden were altogether. april 16, 2014 devon archer meets with vice president biden at the white house and just two days later on april 18, 2014 is when hunter biden quietly joins burisma according to public reporting. after the united kingdom opens a money-laundering case and hunter biden joins the board. and not only ten days authorities seized $23 million of british bank accounts connected to the oligarch to the owner of burisma did hunter biden leave the board then? know. the british authorities also announced it started a criminal investigation into potential money laundering. did hunter biden leave the board? know. only then what happened is the company choose to announce that hunter biden had joined the board after the aspect of burisma and the oligarch owners were frozen and a criminal investigation had begun. and then to raise flags almost immediately one article from may 2014 stated the appointment of joe biden son to the board of a ukrainian gas firm burisma has raised eyebrows the world over. eve

archer and mr. biden. that the media also noticed. the same day asked the white hehouse press secretary about it. >> he is not any position with the largest oil and gas company with the concern of the appearance of a conflict wof interest. >> i would refer you to the vice president's office. and hunter biden and they are private citizens that that does not reflect the endorsement by the administration but i would refer you to the vice president's office. >> the next day the washington post ran a story about it and it said the employment of the vice presidents under the ukrainian ordeal board looks ksnepotistic at best and nefarious at worst. the appointment of the vice ntesident son to a ukrainian oil board looks nepotistic at best and nefarious at worst. the media didn't ask questions here but kept going. >> but then something strange happens. and then with the natural gas company burisma with corruption between hunter biden seen here in the promotional videos to the board of directors paid over $1 million poor mom p - - per yea year

archer and mr. biden. the meeting also noticed the same day and abc news reporter asked of him white house press secretary jay carney about it. here's what happened. >> under biden has not take any position with the largest oil and gas company come holding company in ukraine. is there any concern about at least the appearance of a conflict? >> i would refer you to the vice president office. i sawpr the reports, hunter bidn and other members of the biden family are private citizens and where the work is not an endorsement by the administration or by the vice president or the president but i would refer you to the vice president's office. >> thehe next day the "washingtn post" ran a story about it. it said the appointment of the vice president's son to your craning oil board looks nepotistic at best, nefarious at worst. again, the appointment of the vice president's son to a ukrainian oil board looks nepotistic at best, nefarious at worst. and the media didn't stop questioning, asking questions. it going. he

bank transactions to do with hunter buying jim biden and two of hunter's business partners, devon archer and eric schwerin and specifically they are asked for anything to do with the bank of china now, i know from the laptop and from bob linsky's material, there's a lot of that chinese money sloshed through tens of millions of dollars, so they're getting that now there are one of the names on one of these suspicious activity reports from jp morgan chase that i've seen is a woman called zoe keston and she was an ex. i don't know if you'd call her a girlfriend but a woman who spent a long time with hunter at chateau mamong in hollywood when he went on one of his months long crack benders in 2018 after he got a big payout from china so she was there and she was in a lot of photographs and videos and so they had as he always had with all the women in his life of rocky relationship, but she is named on one of those suspicious suspicious activity reports because of quite a lot of money had gone into her bank account and she testified before the grand jury and apparently talked about his wild s

archer? >> yes, lam research this is an important topic and, therefore, were supportive of any activities that can help us expand the workforce in the united states, including tapping into diverse work groups. one of the things were most proud of is we partner with organizations like the national gem consortium which is members many of which are the hbcus. what we promote is trying to help students pursue advanced degrees, masters and phd in science and engineering so they can build meaningful and long-lasting careers in companies like ours and others throughout the semiconductor industry. >> i i look forward to working with industry leaders to increase semiconductor production and her own country and a we make good use of all of our talent. >> senator, i just want to say to you we recently opened a center in atlanta, georgia, and were engage with hbcus there as well. and the purpose of this design center that we opened their we will be recruiting 500 -- over the next two years as we again to

correct >> business with hunter biden and devon archer. okay there expression.let me ask you a question who is harry? >> harris is ukrainian investor from syria.league of demetri. >> he was mentioned earlier in this hearing. who is demetri? ukrainian oligarch close to the kremlin that made his fortune primarily in the russian state oil company a gas company.de >> connected to vladimir putin? coect? worksit's very much suffered work during hunter biden's deposition with the committee he justified his role. i think you will find this comica ukrainian burisma board by saying in essence it was his patriotic duty. he was serving freedom because come this is his quote there are two gas companies inside ukraine at the time one was ate highly corrupt and connected to people which was directly going into vladimir putin's pockets. the only independent company was burisma. ". my question to you based on this he is dispara you aware mr. biden hunter biden did business with him? >> yes i am. >> yes i am. you what kind of financial transactions occurred? >>cribed to me and by

and she's been very kind to devon archer previously. she overturned his original conviction. it was reinstated in the court of appeals and he went to the supreme court so now he's back before . she also allowed him when he was out on bail to travel to 24 different countries. he went to turks and caicos and so on but also went to china and dan and ukraine and russia doing business at the very places he and hunter doing. great entrails something, i can't remember the name . the new mrs. hunter, her name is melissa cohen. they did read meet at chcteau marmont. and he was introduced by somebody met around the pool and they fell and love that night . and there married within weeks. she's south african. i've heard that, i don't know. i think she's quitesensible . she did things like the way his phones, his devices. kind of cleaned him up. if we believe it is cleaned up next to her. so she's now the mother of his little two-year-old boy. let's hope for her sake and the boys sake that he is clean but i think he'll be having some sleepless nights at the moment there's time for one las

archer i mentioned i wanted to come back to you around the candidates behavior. we've received a question in our question and answer box regarding what everyday folks can do to have an impact on improving our democracy. it's my take, even if you can't change election laws, individual voters do, as part after collective have an impact on the character of the candidates that they empower and i'm curious as a former candidate yourself, what your thoughts are on the ability of candidates to be held to account for their character, to signal to their voters, what kind of character factors are important and if you can speak to that issue for me. >> sure, i'll do that. and we have got to professionalize the administration of elections. in too many communities around the country, the people who count the ballots, process the absentees and professionalals are heart core partisans, they are not neutrals in any way, shape or form and the same way with the world series starts tonight in houston we're not going to allow atlanta to designate half the umpire and houston to desig

in addition, archer is author of two collection of poems and novel daughter. she lives in brooklyn with her daughter lisa, and so to get tonight started, i thank you again for coming, welcome to the baptist church. you're always welcome here especially on sunday morning. we will be happy to see you we have a service at 9 and 11:30 so any time you want to stop by, come on by. but right now -- let's welcome our mod ray for moderator for the evening archer as we get started. >> good evening and let me say that i'm more than a little humbled and overwhelmed to be standing here in this historic place. and to be in the presence of reverend barts a guiding light for many of us for me and my darkest hour and living in brooklyn couldn't always get up here but hear him on radio and held me close and tights on many sundays and it was here i saw fidel castro speak. >> here that friend of mine, we come to worship with them and to love them and sometimes just to say good-bye and for holding this mountain so beautifully together for building what he's built throughout harlem

so these would be companies like coronets archer. we're going to see archer today when we watch duck and cover even encyclopedia britannica again, just to kind of capture the new media idea. that a encyclopedia producer would be branching out into classroom film kind of captures the enthusiasm and the expansion of this as a technology in the classroom. so anytime that a new technology is introduced into a classroom. i mean, maybe this didn't happen when teachers had their pointers, right? but anytime that a new technology is introduced in the in particularly in the post-war period there's a little bit of handwringing that goes on so you see the appearance in the 1950s of a series of books. one this one particular television and education the us written by dr. charles siteman who is credentialed both in the school of education and the department of communication and he asks the question to which the obvious answers. yes, right. can it be the education in our time is suffering a sea change but the use of the verb suffering is kind of i

in 2018, devon archer is no longer listed on his -- but his wife is listed. when you see a situation where ownership interest moves from one spouse to the other, is that a concern of some level of fraud potentially? >> i would call it a red flag. that is something i would look at and try to get to the bottom of what happened, was there money behind it, what was going on? >> next slide. this is a text message between -- gog to naomi biden. let me get my stuff back. sorry. a text message between jim biden and hunter, it says that we can talk later, you have been drawn into something purely for the purpose of protecting dad. this is between hunter and jim biden. last time i checked the father has passed away, i am assuming this is hunter biden saying to jim, you have been brought in for the sole purpose of protecting dad. ms. o'connor, should this committee get further information about the business dealings of hunter biden and how that links to jim biden, the brother of the president, and why they are so concerned with protecting dad, aka, joe biden, the presid

archer daniels midland based in chicago. cargill is as. 165 billion. i throw mentioned in there just to part with what i'm talking about people but and now and and the other let's see bungie which is incorporated bermuda is st louis. there are 67 billion in grains and dreyfus company based in netherlands is 35 billion. so the guardian in 22 reported that these four companies control 70 to 90% of the global grain trade just so for they they've made windfall profits from rocketing food prices, which increased more than 20% in 2020 to the family. privately controls, their own 40 and their own company, and they have 14 family members listed in the forbes list. the major shareholders of archer daniels midland are the titans. vanguard has 7 billion. their capital group 4.5 state street fight 3 billion and blackrock 2 billion. so they're the major shareholders and archer daniels midland title and shareholder and also in shareholders and bungee which is vanguard at 2.7 billion. capital has almost 2 billion. blackrock 800 million. fidelity 400 million. state st

archer's response was? that's correct. next question.hat did hunter biden do after he was given that request? he called his dad. that's what we are investigating. that's one of the three things professor turley talked about, the influence peddling scheme. i want to go to those three things. false statements, scheme and joe biden might have been at it. the 31st, cannot benefit the family cannot benefit you? >> there's been a repeated statement that you need to show that president biden accepted direct money in order for this to constitute a benefit even underr criminal cases that deal with bribery extortion. the courts actually have rejected that. they said that money going to family members is in fact a benefit and i don't really see any legal basis for that. the strongest case is if you have a direct payment, but this idea that you can have millions going to a politicians family and that's notot a benefit i thk is pretty fallacious. >> you said to the extent that the president has used i think this is brought her to the extent the presi

the 13th alabama along with archers brigade coming in together, believing that at best what they are going to be up against is just the yankee calvary and maybe at worse some pennsylvania militia. and as they move down to willoughby run and moving to the woods to the other side of the ravine, what do they see coming at them but the second wisconsin and you hear the voices running through the alabamans. that is no militia. it's those sellers and that is the arofhe potomac. so the big an unpleasant surprise to find out not only were they facing the iron brigade again but that the army of the potomac was there when they had been assured that no elements were anything closer than a day's march away. that was the ultimate big surprise that gettysburg. >> they also point out one other thing in so doing this, i have already bought your book. and i did a study of my own family history my great-grandfather was sent off to be interred up at fort delaware. when i went there to reenact that for the delaware historical society, it was pointed out that archer was actually a prisoner at fort delawa

devon archer is is now a convicted felon. the white house with the vice president of the united states. that's kind of a big deal. the press didn't ask many questions. five days after that meeting in the white house, april 21, joe biden visited ukraine and the media described him as, quote, the public face of the administration's handling of ukraine. the next day on april 22, devon archer joined the board of burisma. what a coincidence. six days later, british officials seized $23 million from it the london bank accounts of burisma's owner. let that sink in a little bit. six days after devon archer joined the board of burisma, a day after vice president biden visited ukraine, which was five days after he met with devon archer in the white house, british officials seized $23 million from the corrupt owner of burisma. on may 13, 2014, three weeks later, hunter biden joined the board of burisma. what a coincidence. because the findings in our reports and the excellent investigative journalism on the part of john solomon, we also

and was one of the 70 odd cast with archer on the day marching into allegedly -- >> according to harry keith. >> according to harry keith. i've been to your hometown. it's actually breathtaking, and, unfortunately, couldn't see where my great grandfather was captured because they're playing golf over there right now. but anyway, my point, my question is that one of the things i learned through my family history studying this is that the second wisconsin, the iron brigade, which is the unit that face the 13th alabama that they won had previously faced the 13th alabama at the stonewall inn fredericksburg, where doubleday had been thrown off, and then they also faced, if not mistaken, at antietam in the cornfield. and it strikes me that it's highly unusual for one little regiment from alabama and another little regiment from wisconsin to face off in three of the most important battles of the area. what do you suppose was the reason for that? >> somebody didn't like somebody else. [laughter] is there a particular reason? probably not. probably not. unless you know something that your ances

would female archers really sacrifice a breast in order to shoot a bow or hurl a spear? why did the greeks believe that amazons maimed or killed their boys? what kind of horses did amazons from the steppes ride, and what were their most deadly weapons and what kind of injuries did they inflict? once i had a good picture about what genuine warrior women's lives were like, the famous amazons of classical myth and historical legend seemed to spring to life with remarkable new clarity. the old myths pose their own very fascinating puzzles. we could ask, why did hercules have to kill the queen of the amazon after she actually offered to give him her war belt in friendship. what was the fate of the only amazon that we know of to lose her freedom by marrying a greek hero. and why did a great amazon army decide to invade athens, and where did the amazons end up after the mythical war. instead of identifying to death on the battlefield of troy, why account the achilles and the amazon scene have been allies or lovers in an alternate world? and one of my favorite questions, who was

for delaware to see that area the reactors from the delaware historical society pointed out that archerually a prisoner at fort delaware and tried to leave a rebellion and i notice on your page 150 of your page you don't mention that, you mention he went to ohio some might look at revision in your paperback version. >> he went to for delaware with most of the confederate prisoners after gettysburg but since he was an officer and a general officer he was segregated out and sent to sandusky, ohio where in fact he came down with the disease that after he was exchanged in 1864 killed him so we are both right. a last, unless you would like me to deliver a book twice the size of the one you have, there are some details i can't quite put in there but it does give you incidentally something of an idea of the intensity with which the battle of gettysburg has been studies, it is a tribute to the importance gettysburg assumes in american memory-unlike almost all other civil war battles we can get together and start talking about what individual regiments and companies were doing at gettysburg almo

the other problem is best friend and business devon archer who has been a colleague is going to be sentencedon monday. i think i've mentioned it in the southern district of new york for this serious criminal fraud of a divorced tribe in india. one of hisda codependent was 12- jailed for 12 years and the other for 30 months. his lawyers have said that's too much hardship for him. we will see on monday. judge ronnie abrams who is in theoi obama appointee and the we of one of the mueller investigators, she is being very kind to kevin archer. she overturned the original conviction. it was reinstated and he went to the supreme court and lost so now he's back before her and she allowed him when he was out on bail to travel to 24 different countries. he went to turkey and china and kazakhstan and ukraine and russia, the very places that hea and hunter had been doing. i can't remember the name exact weight. melissa colin he was introduced to her by somebody he met around the pool and they fell madly in love thatt night. [laughter] they were married within weeks. she is south african. i think she's q

it's not honest. >> host: you talk about that, dick armey, bill archer tour. we can your a lot of those debates over ideas during the election. can big ideas still win hearts and minds? >> guest: i think, i hope it makes a comeback. i think when voter start to value actually not just an election when, but progress toward enacting conservative goals. and as a conservative, this president nominated neil gorsuch to the supreme court. that's a big deal for conservatives, a big deal for me. i was very pleased to help shepherd his nomination to the judiciary committee and then on the floor. that's a great win that will have conservative implications i think in the future. another nomination to the federal bench and other cabinet appointments. that's the start of good conservative policy. if we can follow through now. part of my concern revolves around not just being conservative in terms of policy, but being conservative in terms of the meanest and comportment and manners and in foreign-policy, conservative needs to be steady and needs to be sober and predictable. a

it's not on us. >> host: you talk about that bill archer before. we didn't hear a lot of this debate during the election. can big ideas still win hearts and minds? >> guest: i hope it makes a comeback. i think when voters start to value not just an election win but progress toward enacting conservative goals and this president nominated neil gorsuch to the supreme court. that's a big deal for conservatives in a big deal for may. i was very pleased to help shepherd his nomination to the judiciary committee and then on the floor. that's a great when we will have with conservative locations in the future and other nominations to the federal bench for another cabinet appointment. that's the start of good conservative policy. part of my concern revolves around not just being conservative in terms of policy but being conservative in terms of demeanor and manners and in foreign-policy conservative needs to be steady and needs to be sober and predictable, and respect our institutions and those international institutions that are served us well for so long.

enactment in 1996, they -- know new archer msas can be created as of september 30 first 2007. there are archer msas out there, we try to get them all converted over, the advantages are better under the hsa but some still exist but you find them with some of these references in the bill still artifacts, the legacy of the archer msas. on central health benefit requirements, you have a choice with you rely on states to define the more have a uniform federal standard. hsa deals with care, which one you choose, but whichever preventive benefits are required to be provided below the deductible with -- essentially exempt from the application of the deductible under either scenario. i don't necessarily care who defines it or how it is defined. just be consistent across the board and don't have a separate standard for hsa qualified plans from other plans. >> other questions? going once, joe. >> with the panel comment on hsa's connection to fee for service? you have to come up with a receipt for some of the service in order to get the hsa to be a barrier to further reform. >> i personal

question right now that we are a greater danger of nuclear war than any time since 1983 during the abell archer exercise and possibly during 1962. you have to recognize that in the cold war they were inspecting and closing the railway between belarus and [inaudible] to the russians and that could lead to them right on the border with their nato allies in the baltic space now. in ukraine for the major part of the conflict into nato and biden reintegrated in september in integration of nato and the integration of their military and integration of its system in the west of nato. they would be in february in 2008. it's our current cia director. william burns was then the am ambassador to russia and wrote a memo to canned lisa rice and said yet means yet. i met with surveillance gray any will not accept us bringing they toe and comes down on it and more for ukraine and let us come into nato and mr. he's begging us to not try it. the language is there. that could cause a civil war and we'd be forced to intervene and we don't want to have to make that decision. germany and france put their foot down a

archer daniels midland was accused of stealing money from its customers. in this interview from 2000, author kurt eichenwald reveals how this scandal was complicated when the government learned its source was involved in his own illegal activity. this is the second part in a two-part series. you can watch the first part online at booktv.org. .. about to do, because of his psychological state, that were going to upend their case and ultimately put them in the position of having to go all over the world trying to--trying to put it back together again. c-span: because this is part two, let's go over--of our discussion, let's go over quickly the basics. >> guest: ok. c-span: mark whitacre worked where? >> guest: mark whitacre worked for the archer daniels midland company, which... c-span: based where? >> guest: ... which is based in decatur, illinois. for those who know it, it's--it's usually known for its 'supermarket to the world' advertisements, which you see on, you know, "meet the press" and "this week" and other--other news shows that are heavily watched

>> guest: he is now chairman of the archer daniels midland company. c-span: go back to ground zero again on this. first of all, what is price-fixing, and why is it a crime? >> guest: price-fixing is--the--the easiest way to say it is t--in my mind, it's a betrayal of capitalism. the whole concept of capitalism is that you have a bunch of companies out in the free market competing for your business, and they'll either offer the best product or the best price. that then is supposed to reward the most efficient and the most--th--you know, th--those that do the job the best. when you have price-fixing, that doesn't happen. the power of the consumer is dead because, rather than them competing head to head trying to get your business, they just say, 'forget him. let's sit down and decide what we're going to charge.' c-span: isn't there a famous quote you've got in here that the-about the competitors and the consumers? >> guest: that--that--this is, yeah, the adm quote; that, 'the--the--the competitors are our friends, and the customers are our enemies.' c-s