mr. perry? mr. perry votes no. mr. katko. mr. katko votes no. mr. hurd? mr. hurd votes no. ms. mcsally, ms. mcsally votes no. mr. gallagher, mr. gallagher votes no. mr. higgins. mr. higgins votes no. mr. rutherford votes no. mr. garrett, mr. garrett votes no. mr. fit patrick, mr. fitzpatrick votes no. ms. jackson-lee? >> aye. >> ms. jackson-lee votes aye. mr. payne? mr. payne votes aye. mrs. watson-coleman. mrs. watson coleman votes aye. mr. corps rhea. mr. corps rhea votes aye. mr. deming. mr. deming votes aye. mr. smith? mr. richmond? >> have all members voted? does any member wish to record or change his or her vote? how am i recorded? >> chair is not recorded. >> i vote no. >> mr. mccaul votes no. >> the court shall report the tally. >> 11 yeas and 17 nos. >> postponed proceedings on the vote of 077 to hr 3548 by mr. vela. the question occurs on agreeing to the amendment in the nature of substitute. the clerk shall call the roll. >> mr. smith? mr. king? >> no. >> mr. king votes no. mr. rogers. mr. rogers votes no. mr. duncan. mr. duncan votes no. mr. perry. mr. perry votes

mr. perry: ready to take questions. i don't think we have a microphone, but if you say the question, i will repeat the question. >> could you talk a little bit about what they were saying about the weather? mr. perry: the weather is -- it a question ofe summer fog and winter storms. so the optimum times are early spring, like may or june, or perhaps october, november. and obviously, there is a lot of snow in the winter. so if you invaded later in the year, october, that would hold you back from building databases you want. clearly, the abdomen time to invade is the spring. -- the optimum time to invade is the spring. >> [indiscernible] fly in badtried to weather deck of mr. perry: the question is -- bad weather? mr. perry: these plans looked at that very carefully, in terms of the number of the flying days for different types of missions per month over the course of the year. and actually compared to that. and, yes, it was viable to conduct a strategic bombing campaign and ground support operat

how is mr. perry been recorded? >> mr. perry has not been recorded. mr. erry votes no. >> do have any other members not been recorded? seeing none, the clerk will please report the tally. >> 24 no's, 19 yes. >> the crockett amendment fails. since we've -- since we've concluded our votes on the amendments, i move that the proposed rules be adopted as rules of the committee on oversight and accountability for the 118 congress. all those in favor say aye. >> aye. all opposed say no? >> no. >> in the opinion of the chair, the ayes have it. -- >> a recorded vote has been requested. will the clerk please call the roll? >> mr. jordan? -- mr. jordan votes yes. mr. turner? mr. gosar? ms. foxx? >> yes. -- >> mr. grothman? mr. growth and votes yes. mr. palmer? mr. palmer votes yes. mr. higgins? mr. higgins votes yes. mr. sessions? >> aye. >> mr. sessions votes yes. mr. biggs? mr. biggs votes yes. ms. mace? ms. mace votes yes. mr. laturner? >> aye. -- >> mr. fallon votes yes. mr. donald's? mr. donald votes yes. mr. armstrong. mr. armstrong votes yes. mr. perry? i. we

>> mr. perry, that's a really tough question, as you know. i mean, just getting to the accountability on this case, and that's why i mentioned accountability in my previous comment, a lot of this can be denied. the actual scientific evidence, you know, wasn't necessarily shared immediately with us. we have people in the country that have been provided the samples so we're able to get in there and do the assessment. as mr. lasseter said a lot of this is on agreements about information sharing so we rapidly come together as allies to be able to put the blame where it's necessary. but it's a very hard problem. we've given that we haven't spent enough time and effort in this country on bioatry buks bugs. we -- >> watching what happened to skripal and now navalny and others, quite honestly, you know, we tend to think that that happens over there, so to speak. but the uk is obviously a close friend and an ally. and i find that exceptionally concerning. and i understand. i just -- i'm sure you're thinkin

i want to ask mr. perry to talk to me a little bit about what the federal government does with oil that you mentioned, that extract from cannibus. >> as you know, thanks for the question. marijuana is a schedule one drug. >> right. >> so the extract from it remains part of that drug. >> it's schedule one. >> so literally what we want to mi make sure that the federal government is using that circumstance to stop people from aveiling themselves to the extract. >> i understand. i support your measure. the question that i have a concern about is i get all sorts of mail and i recently -- as recently as last week had something come in the mail about this particular product. now my assumption is that it's being sold. and i'm just curious -- >> i don't use it. but it is being sold for sure in places like colorado and places where it's been legalized. pennsylvania just legalized for medicinal uses. so it is being sold but we don't want people to -- when we originally started on this if you crusade, people were litera

and she said, well, mr. perry, the problem is this -- you see, i asked the sunday school class who walked on water. and your daughter, mandy answered, robert e. lee. and then, after i corrected your daughter mandy, your other daughter, lindy said, well maybe jesus did it, but robert e. lee did it first. the second reason i wrote the book is that i saw a very strong need for this type of work. i saw the need for a well-documented book that had facts in it. and would let the reader decide for himself or herself the true story of slavery in america. the final reason i accepted the challenge of writing this particular book is i had a lot of questions about this, what some people call the peculiar institution of slavery. i've always -- to be honest with you, been very confused. i've been a student of the war between the states history since i was a small child. and the slavery issue just confused me. i really didn't understand it. and i would imagine if you asked most americans today why we had the civil war, they woul

. >> mr. perry, in your research, did you find any differences of service of the black americans in the union versus confederate army, two parts? also, which army first used them? did you find any evidence of that? >> that's a good question. there was service, obviously on both sides, both the union and the confederate. i think it highly more likely that the initial service was on the confederate side because you had many of the slaves that went off with their slave owner to war. i don't personally think it was too long before they took up arms. that might not have been their original attempt but it wasn't long before they took up arms right alongside their slave owner. i think there's excellent examples of valor on both sides, both the union side and confederate side by black soldiers. >> and the second part, then, were there -- how were the black soldiers treated? were the confederates versus the union blacks able to reach officer status? any differences there? >> yeah, there are a number of diffe

i want to thank mr. perry for filling in for me. i'm sure he did a far better job than i would have. i thank the ranking member for her support in putting this meeting together. thank you, mr. richardson. our second witness is mr. raymond villa nueva. he began his law enforcement career in 1994 with the puerto rico police department. since joining immigration and customs enforcement, mr. villanueva has served in numerous key positions, supervisor -- financial crimes asset forfeiture, a removal group from buffalo, new york. for proceeds of a crime unit in washington, d.c. assistant special agent in charge for the hsi san juan office and most recently as the deputy assistant director of hsi international operations. mr. villanueva has more than 22 years of law enforcement experience. let me say with the experiensite have on homelalong island, hsi been invaluable. the job they've done in conjunction with the hhs and the fbi has been phenomenal. working with local police has been extraordinary. thank you, mr. villanueva. you are now reco

i want to thank mr. perry for filling in for me. i'm sure he did a far better job than i would have and, of course, i thank the ranking member in putting this meeting together. thank you, mr. richardson. our second witness is the national director for interoperations at u.s. immigration and customs enforcement. he began his law enforcement career in 199 with the puerto rico police department. since joining immigration and customs enforcement, he has served in numerous key positions, including groups of super sizer for financial assets -- financial crimes asset forfeiture, a removal group from buffalo, new york. proceeds and crime unit in washington, d.c. assistant special agent in charge for the hsi's san juan office. mr. villanueva has more than 22 years of law enforcement experience. let me just say with the situation we have on long island with ms-13, hsi has been invaluable. thank all of them for the great job they're doing in conjunction with the fbi. again, just phenomenal cooperation and working with the local police in suffol

nothing further. >> mr. perry, let me thank you you particularly. >> my privilege, mr. chairman. >> the gentleman is recognized. >> mr. richardson, a couple questions here, kind of in different directions, and maybe a little off the topic of collaboration. but somewhat in. not only transnational crimes but if a terrorist activity or event occurs in the united states, that would be something you would collaborate with other agencies on as the fbi, is that correct? i just want to make sure i'm not out of bounds here. >> yes. >> that's correct, right. so if i could, what compels your organization, or local law enforcement, that for that matter, to work with the national counterterrorism center in some type of a criminal or alleged terrorist event? what compels that? what is the precedent, what has to happen? >> so counterterrorism is not any expertise. >> i understand. >> but however i can tell you that nctc is a great partner of ours. we work with them each and every day on the counterterrorism front and share information on a regular basis, both on a classified level, an

a rash of herbs freshly grown from mr. perry. >> yes, there is still sickness and there is still helpfulness of neighbor toward neighbor. there has to be in a new land where the settlers face the uncertainties of a new way of life. mistress perry knows that building a better world requires courage and faith. and these men writing back to england, they know that, too. >> we are sorry to send back the ship without better lading, but there has been much sickness among us, and many of our number lack strength to survive the winter's cold. yet for the most, we're a man of good heart and make what haste we can to build our plantation. among our number, there be those of motive, some simply seeking worldly gain. yet we farm one body politic joined by common consent. >> there is resolve and hope and promise here where men still build, here on a shore where men can say, we farm one body politic joined by common consent. >>> use your mobile devices and go to cspan.org for the latest video, live and ondemand, to follow the position of powe

later, she carries her concoction to a home with serious illness in the form of mr. perry. >> here is a draft of herbs, fresh brewed. >> it is most tidy and welcome. >> there is still sickness and there is still a helpfulness of neighbor toward neighbor. there has to be in a new land where settlers faced the uncertainties of a new way of life. requiresa better world courage and faith and these men riding back to england, they know that as well. >> we are sorry to send back the ship but there would be much sick among us and many of our number lack strength to survive the winter cold. for the most, we are men of good heart and make what haste weekend to build our plantation. among our number, their be some mainly priding liberty of conscience and others worldly gain but we are one party joined by common consent. >> there is resolve and hope and promise where men still build, here on the shore where men can say, we form one body politic joined by common consent. ["america the beautiful"] founding fathers established this republic

. >> here's a draft of herbs fresh brewed from mr. perry. >> it is most timely and welcome, for the pain is still sharp. >> yes, there is still sickness and there is still the helpfulness of neighbor toward neighbor. there has to be in a new land where the settlers facing the uncertainties of a new way of life. mistress perry knows that building a better world requires courage and faith. and these men writing back to england, they know that as well. >> we are sorry to send back the ship without better lading, but there has been much sickness among us and many of our number lack strength to survive the winter cold. yet, for the most, we remain a good heart and make what haste we can to build our plantation. among our number, there be those of motives, mainly pricing will be conscious and one of the game. yet, we form one party joined by common consent. there is resolve and hope and promise here where men still build. here on a short where men can say, we form one body politic, joined by common consent. when our founding fathers

later, she carries her concoction to a home with serious illness in the form of mr. perry it is most welcome. the pain is still sharp. narrator: yes, there is still sickness and there is still the helpfulness of neighbor toward neighbor. there has to be in a new land, where the settlers face of the uncertainties of a new way of life. misses. building a better world requires courage and faith, and these men running back to england, they know that too. >> we are sorry to send back the ship, but there would be much sick among us and many of our number lack strength to survive the winter cold. for the most, we are men of good heart and make what haste weekend to build a good plantation. some our number, their be mainly priding liberty of conscious -- liberty of conscience and others worldly gain. yet we joined by common consent. narrator: there is resolve and hope and promise where men still build, here on the shore where men can say, we form one body politic joined by common consent. ♪

. >> here is a draft of herbs fresh brewed for mr. perry. >> it is most welcome for the pain is still sharp. >> yes, there is still sickness, and there is still the helpfulness of neighbor toward neighbor. there has to be in a new land where the settlers face the uncertainties of a new way of life. mistress perry knows that building a better world requires courage and faith. and these men writing back to england, they know that, too. >> we are sorry to send back the ship without better, but there be many sickness among us. and many among us lack strength to survive the winter's cold. yet, for the most we remain of good heart and make what haste we can to build our plantation. among our number there will be those of motives some liberty and conscious, and some chiefly seeking worldly gain. yet we form one body politic joined by common consent. >> there is resolve and hope and promise here where men still build and where men can say, we form one body politic joined by common consent. >>> weeknights this month, we're featuring american history

mr. hoffman: thank you. secretary kerry, you want to add ,omething? -- secretary perry you want to add something? mr. perry: i want to comment about a question i'm asked all the time. questions i'm asked by my students. neededht, so you strategic deterrence during the cold war. how did that add up to 70,000 nuclear weapons? what deterrence argument led you to 70,000? they did cap it, so let's say 30,000 roughly. i tried to answer the question. maybe we think to have deterrence, we need to be able to destroy 100 targets. to be safe, let's double that, make it 200 or 250. then you assume that maybe some of our missiles won't work, so we better double that. now we get up to 500, 1000. then you say, but we are going to be responding to a surprise attack. that surprise attack is going to androy 90% of our silos most of our airbases, and the bombers left going to be shot down by the soviet air defense. somehow, the soviets are going to have a magical solution which is going to attack our submarines at sea. never quite explain what that is. so they are going to be gone, too. pretty soon, you have got the num

mr. perry you are now recognized for five minutes. >> yes chairman foster, ranking member loudermilk and members of the task force, thank you for inviting me to testify today on this extremely important issue affecting millions of people across the country. the covid-19 pandemic will continue to take significant more lives than the proximity hundred 30,000 it has already claimed if the united states government does not invest in tools that are proven to combat the spread of the virus. including strategies that aim to dismantle structural racism. according to an analysis published july 5th by the new york times, latino or black or hispanic and black residences in the u.s. are three times as likely to become infected as their white neighbors. higher covid-19 mortality rates among black and brown communities reflect the historic devaluation and disenfranchisement of their lives, properties and communities. structural racism is the pre-existing condition that must be accounted for in our battle wit

mr. perry? >> as i mentioned earlier, we will fully comply with the subpoena. all we have asked for and been given by some staff for some time to work through the legal complexity. the psi and the compliance is what we will do fully. >> i think a lot of the american public are going to be asking me and our colleagues when we go home, what are they hiding. what are they concealing. if it were a department of justice subpoena or if it were a court order from china, their position would be the same. is that a defensible position? i want to ask each of you, beginning with mr. lesser, what was your most recent amount of revenue in the last year from your consulting service? >> we don't disclose our revenues globally beyond our global revenues, senator, so i cannot share that information. we are a private company, with great respect, sir. >> do you calculate? do you have those numbers? >> somebody probably does. i do not actually have that number, sir. >> mr. sternfels? >> it is the middle east, africa, and central asia. >> you don't break out numbers for saudi arabi

. >> the chair recognizes mr. perry. >> thanks, mr. chairman. thanks, gentlemen, for your attendance. mr. cohen, i was looking at your organization's mission statement. it says the splc is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry. among other things. and i would say that probably every member of this body agrees with you on that -- and those principles. where we seem to disagree is that i think for most of us, certainly for myself, i don't quantify or qualify, some hate and bigotry is okay if it's this organization but not okay if it's that organization. and it seems to me in looking at your information -- let me ask you this. why does it seem there are no left wing hate groups on your list. for example, on campus groups, like students for justice in palestine that have advocated for violence against jews. why aren't they on your list? >> well, i don't know about that particular group. i couldn't answer that question. there are left wing groups on our list. >> who are they? >> well, first, it depends, of course, on what you mean by left wing. but,

representative perry tells mr. meadows deng december 26th that, quote, mark just checking in as time continued to count down. 11 days until january 6th. 25 days until inauguration. we have got to get going! representative perry follows up and says, quote, mark, you should call jeff! i just got off the phone with him. he explain to me why the principal deputy won't work, especially with the fbi. they will view it as not having the authority to enforce what needs to be done. >> mr. meadows responds with, i got it. i think i understand. then we work on the deputy position. >> representative perry than texas, roger, just sent you something on signal. just sent you an updated file. did you call jeff clark? >> mr. donahue, representative perry called you the next day on december 27th. who told him to call you? >> my understanding is the president did it. during the call perry told me that he was calling up behest of the president. >> what did he want to talk about? >> he wanted to talk about pennsylvania, in particular. h

. >> the chair recognizes mr. perry. >> thanks, mr. chairman. thanks, gentlemen, for your attendance. mr. cohen, i was looking at your organization's mission statement. it says the splc is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry. among other things. and i would say that probably every member of this body agrees with you on that -- and those principles. where we seem to disagree is that i think for most of us, certainly for myself, i don't quantify or qualify, some hate and bigotry is okay if it's this organization but not okay if it's that organization. and it seems to me in looking at your information -- let me ask you this. why does it seem there are no left wing hate groups on your list. for example, on campus groups, like students for justice in palestine that have advocated for violence against jews. why aren't they on your list? >> well, i don't know about that particular group. i couldn't answer that question. there are left wing groups on our list. >> who are they? >> well, first, it depends, of course, on what you mean by left wing. but,

chairman, i yield. >> thank you, mr. perry. a couple quick follow-up questions. mr. fuji mara, you indicated the standard as some sort of considerate of the airport quality of their security. is that correct? >> sir, under 44-907, it's based in statute this is the -- the standards are what we begin or assessment program from. so it's -- it's encapsulated in statute. >> i understand that. so just do you know in sharm el sheikh or mogadishu have met those standards? >> they are not last point of departure points, sir, so i don't know if they have definitively met them or not. >> mr. mizell, i understand what you're saying in a secure setting, did you let me ask if i can ask it a different way. how many of the last point of departure airports have you visited? >> there are seven last point of departure airports, six of which are operational, and -- the seventh, did you visit that as well? >> yell, i want to ask you about what you personally observed if i may. personally in think those airports, did you observe any explosive trace equipment anyway? >> again, you have ask

appear that's when the president said to mr. perry talk to rudy. >> yes, you haven't asked a question yet. >> woos that a shadow foreign policy. >> shadow foreign policy that's a term you use. that's a per jortive. what did eis a shadow foreign policy. >> operating outside normal channels. >> who else in the room who is in the room when the president has the conversation? okay. it's gordon sondland, our ambassador to the eu. kurt volker who was our special designated envoy to the ukraine. i sat next to mike pompeo yesterday at the meeting with a congressional leaders. and i said look i understand i coordinated a coup against you by putting sondland and volker in charge of ukraine policy he leaps back and goes you know they both work for me. there is not a shadow policy. . the president is entitled to have whoever he wants work. i'm 0100% comfortable with flew. >> can you describe the role you played in pressuring ukraine to investigate the bidens? and secondly. >> one more. >> can you walk us through the meeting that president trump w

the gentleman from pennsylvania, mr. perry is recognized. >> thanks, again, mr. chairman. following up on those questions, do you conduct exit interviews with the folks that depart the department? >> we do, but we don't do it for everyone. we don't have a requirement right now. we're moving to an online system so it's easy for everyone to do the exit surveys when they depart. every foreign service officer that resigned, not retired but resigned, we sent them a letter and thanked them for their service. we had the exit surveys attached, some responded some did not. >> so it was completely voluntary? >> yes. the other thing that's important i think we should do stay surveys, not only why people leave because then it's too late. we need to figure out why are people staying, what is it that's important about what our organization offers that encourages them to stay? >> i'm concerned because there's a supposition that goes with that that folks are leaving for a certain reason and can you quantify if that's true, if they feel because this administration is something or something

mr. perry, how does gao december 2021 recommendation improving themo process identify potential barriers to access racial inequality -- i am raising this wrong, how does december 2021 recommendations on improving the process for identifying potential barriers take racial inequality into account. >> thank you for the question, what we look at in the report is went out to answer what extent fema look at the outcomes of the programs to see who they are affecting and how they are affecting different groups. what we found is not of the agencies collect the data on the outcomes to identify the barriers for certain communities that is a problem because if you don't collect data and you can't measure it can't measure it, you can't fix it but we have identified number of bears in the process for individual assistance apply to everybody but particularly probably vulnerable populations. individual assistance program, the one you register for when you are a survivor of a disaster is incredibly collocated u

in the book, mr. perry makes the case that slavery was not an integral part of the reason behind fighting the civil war, as wit is widely thought. history bookshelf appears every saturday at noon eastern. join american history tv on monday for 24 hours of america's first ladies, including an interview with eleanor roosevelt at 4:45 pm eastern. >> i think, like everything else, that we started out expected the united nations would solve every difficulty right -- just by being the united nations. >> tour the white house private quarters with laura bush at 5:00 and lady bird john sn at 8:00. nancy reagan reminisces about her husband at 8:00 and secretary of state hillary clinton about her campaign in 2008. president's day on c-span3. >>> lisa kathleen graty is curator here at the smithsonian. when you were putting together this latest exhibit, how did you decide the gowns would be placed and what it would say about the history and the role of these first ladies? >> we picked a series of gowns, partly based on

mr. perry i never voted for him.st a political opportunist like so many of them are. if i do vote for anybody i'm not sure if i'll vote republican or democrat. i'll vote for bernie sanders or lindsey graham. >> you're calling for texas. you wouldn't vote for rick perry. he touted some of his achievements what's your response to that? >> caller: i didn't listen to him give his speech. i've never liked many perry. i didn't think he was a good governor of texas. i don't know that much about him. i think he stayed in the governorship too long. i did vote for george bush a couple of times. i'm not sure if i'm going to vote democrat or republican. i'm going to listen to the issues and the candidates. i favor bernie sanders because i admire mr. sanders. i like what he says about the issues and i like lindsey graham. >> there's now four official candidates major candidates in the race on the democratic side. we'll show that to you on sunday. al want to let you know we'll reair the rick perry announcement at 8:00 eastern. let

mr. perry and his statement. my question, sir, is that there's a lot of adverse opinion about tpp, but what i'm hearing from you, tpp, the majority -- or the major component of it isn't exactly trade and economics as much as it is another way of coming at china in a nonmilitary position. and a lot of the emphasis -- the precedent putting on it is just because we are so reluctant to do battle with china. this is another way of doing it. and also my statement is, that i am really so against chuck schumer becoming the minority leader and his stance on the iran treaty. i think it forfeits him from becoming the democratic minority leader. and i'll get my answer off the air. thank you, mr. perry. >> well, thank you for the question. i won't comment on mr. schumer. i have my own opinions. but let's focus for a minute on china. our economics trade and economic expert, i'm not on this program claiming i am, but i think broadly speaking the obama administration has shown a willingness to engage with chin

fog, command sergeant major and mrs. perryo all of our distinguished guests who have been enumerated earlier today, i cannot begin to tell you what a delight it is for me to be here this afternoon. it is wonderful to be here and to look out among this audience and see so many great friends. i hope i can get a lot of hugs in and perhaps some photos as well. what an exciting milestone in the history of the united states army. i am humbled, grateful and excited all at the same time to be a part of this momentous occasion, commemorating the army women's museum gallery reopening. a sincere thank you to dr. parnell and to major general fog for extending this invitation for me to come. in my gratitude, i too want to thank each of you for taking time out of your busy schedule to be here to share a part of our army's history and heritage. as we celebrate and honor women of the army who have contributed so much in defense of our nation. make no mistake, each of you, man or woman, in your own way, has played and will continually play in

representing the country of new zealand, defense attache, and world war ii veteran, mr. perry norway is major general fin christian homstod and mr. jake jarvis taylor. representing the country of poland is defense, military, naval and air attache, brigadier general yaraslav and miss selena peabody, holocaust survivor from poland. representing the country of russia is mr. max, acting military attache. accompanying him is world war ii veteran mr. dale butinsky. representing the country of slovakia is deputy chief of mission peter -- and the women of air force service pilots miss chelsea lawrence reynolds. [ applause ] representing the country of south africa, ambassador mongul and clarence anderson. representing the country of turkmenistan is ambassador moray orzaf and world war ii veteran mr. clarence walters. [ applause ] representing the country of ukraine is charge d'affaires ross and niko kovig. representing the united kingdom is major general richard and mr. alex kirkshaw and world war ii veteran mr. john mayor. [ applause ] ladies and gentlemen, please stand for the playi

the chair now recognizes mr. . perry from pennsylvania for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i will turn my question to you. i hope i can see you on the screen there shortly. are you there? if we can jump right into another biden chinese deal made while joe biden was in office, a deal i think you described in your interview as a print "where the chinese spent millions in exchange for a post bp job for president biden. can you tell us what was burnham? >> burnham was an 85-year-old financial company in new york and a securities dealer. are relative to the chinese, it was an unimportant and small player. i think it was a scale of 1.5 billion dollars versus a 100 million billion hunter biden's interest in chinese company. >> what was g the situation? >> i think hunter biden was already working with them when he created the bhr harvest and according to hunter palace email, he described activity with bhr. activity as one of his only focuses, and his other focus would be the focus between harvest directly and burn him. so in writing, it was to be his only focus in on the

we recognize mr. perry from pennsylvania. >> i think the chairman. mr. shapley if you get page 30 of your transcript and i want to say to mr. shapley and mr. ziegler, we appreciate you coming forward . we have heard of a legend so-called whistleblowers in the past. they could not reveal themselves and it led to an improper impeachment of a president that was unjustified and unsubstantiated so i really do credit you. i think this is probably been very difficult and a hard choice for you to make but i think it was the right one and i commend you for it. mr. shapley, page 30 of your transcript . middle of the page , last sentence, second paragraph starting with, every single day. every single day was a battle to do our jobs. i understand that in congress but you are following the letter of the law. you are taking in information. you are doing this and you get that. why is your day -- that is a chilling line. what did you mean when you said that? >> every time we try to communicate steps and get support from investigator steps it was always slow waltz or pus

mr. perry's statements. i guess he missed things like the pullman strike and other slaughters of union organizers attempting just to have a decent a decent life. so i would yield time to respond if you would like. >> the brothers were beaten on an overpass near detroit. they were assaulted for trying to fight for health care, a decent living, the ability for workers to go into a workspace without losing limbs, because they arehu pushed so hard again machinery that they can't compete with with their human bodies. the ludlow strikers were gunned down andg. burned to death when they were striking in tents, pushed out of company housing. there were workers who were disrespected and the mules that were carrying the coal out of the mines were more important than the workers. this past year for the past 18 months, we saw that workers were treated as disposable. the strikes and the actions in return have been about safety. they have been about improving the safety for consumers and certainly as flight attendants, as

mr. perry. >> thank you, mr. chairman. thank you, mr. sopko, for your candor. it seems to me that your job here from -- from the perspective of some of my colleagues is to make sure you do a good job at bashing or affirming that president trump is pathetic and doesn't have a strategy. and this is all his fault. and i actually applaud your efforts to kind of stay out of the fray in that regard. i don't think any of us are perfect. i think the president does want to get out of afghanistan. and it's -- it's hard to determine what the facts are. the -- the -- "the post's" article kind of laid out the fact that we don't know the information. and you have reaffirmed that. classifications, even in the president's own defense when he wanted to declassify information that would buttress his own innocence on claims against him, can't seem to get that done. this town -- this town has a way of sequestering the information most important to it and most damning to it and the people in it. that having been said, i'd like to get to some of the information you highlighted chall

if i can perhaps just expand on something that mr. perry talked about, and i think, it is up to the benefit of the members of the committee as well, when we think about state department employees, we need to think about them into distinct brackets. the foreign service officers versus the civilian employees and, ambassador perez, if you could explain, expand on the differences there and how we ought to be thinking about that if we could just take a quick second. >> thank you very much. we do have two completely different systems. the foreign service, we have much more flexibility because we have the foreign service act of 1980. so we are under title 22 and that allows us to go ahead and be much more agile but civil services, obviously not as agile and sometimes that works against us just because we are a foreign national security agency so sometimes it's really tough when policies are propagated after the entire government we are a little bit different. but, we are trying to work our hardest and again after five months, this is one of my fre

. >> from pennsylvania, mr. perry. >> the house of representatives shall choose immediately by ballot the president. but in choosing the president the votes shall be taken by statements. the representation from each state having one vote, a it shall consist of member or members from two-thirds of the state and majority of all of the states shall be necessary to a choice. >> the person having the greatest numbers of votes as vice president shall be the vice president. if such number be a majority of the whole number of electors appointed and if no person have a majority then from the two highest numbers on the list the senate shall choose the vice president. >> the gentleman from california. >> a majority of the whole numbers shall be necessary to a choice but no person constitutionally ineligible of president shall be eligible to that of vice president of the united states. >> the gentleman from georgia, mr. lewis. >> amendment 13. neither slavery for involuntary servitude except as a punishment for crime where are th

i yield. >> thank you mr. perry. mr. sires. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i travel on the northeast corridor constantly back and forth and i'm still trying to get this idea with the spectrum how we end up with two -- in places like chicago they only have one and more than 11 companies use it. i just don't understand why we just can't come up with one system. now we have to worry where one is going to interfere with the other. to me it just doesn't make sense. when other parts of the country use one system. can somebody address that. how did we get to this? how do we get to this point? >> i think it goes back to the conversation we had a few minutes ago where the access system for amtrak was really developed for passenger rail and specifically for high speed passenger rail. there is a certain way that passenger railroads run their operation and they utilize certain technologies to run their trains, dispatch their trains and the freight railroads have a literally different way of running the record. >> is this a company not making a concession to the other, a