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but with ramal, that wasn't the case. he had a lot of family members. in fact, he told us that he was the oldest of 12 siblings. >> hammond's gang family, the heartless felons, and his biological family were about to intersect. ramal's younger brother, paris hammond, was next door in the juvenile detention center. we were there the day paris became an adult, and his life was about to take a dramatic turn for all of the wrong reasons. >> today, i'm going to take inmate paris hammond, who used to be a juvenile and is now 18, turned 18 today, he's going to be moved from our juvenile pod into our general male population. he's not going to be with the kids anymore, he's going to be with the -- as we call them, the big boys. he's graduating today. >> did you think you'd spend your 18th birthday like this? >> yeah, i already got time. >> paris had recently pled guilty to two counts of felonious assault with a firearm, for shooting a 15-year-old boy during an argument and leaving him paralyzed. when we met him, he was only days away from being sentenced to a pr

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. >> rula, it is lit ramally -- it's easily -- it's obviously more convenient in some sense to organize the party rather than putinize it. what he's doing it's so objectionable and they can't continue with this adoration of putin but orban is new for the followers. they have clung on to him. what do you make with the connection between orban and the republican party? >> orban talked in 2018 about the access of the willing. orban, trump, sevine in italy, the fascists overseas. common values, antiimmigration, trying to use the powers and tools of democracy to try to destroy it from within. i believe the former speaker said the way they come to pewer is through laws. the way they hold on to power is through laws, not bullets, bombs. this moment putin is destroying ukraine, bombing ukraine. he is the one that gave them the tools, disinformation. the white supremist theory wherks talked about the access of the willing, one flapped new zealand. he cited victor orban, he cited donald trump in his manifest oh. he had a local candidate. he went on a shooting spree. he shot six people of color. h

senate erraor ramal -- >> is that correct? are those exactly the same thing? if they are not, how are they different? >> i do not think they are the same things. >> what former vice president requested of president ukraine was the removal of a corrupt prosecutors general, victor shoekin, under mind a prom of a distance that you try to build an independent invest baiters and go after prosecutors. there was a case called the, the judges issued the warrants and the law enforcement that had warrants to do the wiretapping, everybody to protect this former driver who he made a prosecutor. that was what joe biden was asking. joe biden was participating in an effort englishment to address corruption in the ukraine. >> that's correct. >> as you look at this whole ops a comprehensive and whole of corruption in ukraine? >> referring to the we quest in july, i would not say no. >> i don't think he was trying to aim corruption at ukraine. i yield back the balance of my time. >> recognizing for five minutes. >> i yield my time to the gentleman in texas. >> the gentleman in

i met with the prime minister of the palestinian authority in ramall ramallah. he said in no uncertain terms they would never recognize israel as a state. with regard to where all the settlement activity is going on, i'm confident that the israeli people are willing to make big compromises in order to achieve that long-term peace. have you to have a willing partner on the other side of the table. >> congressman, thank you much. appreciate your time. up next, it what we call a smooth transition, from politics over to sports. at least that's is what it is being called by folks in boston. the new england patriots, if you've been living under the rock for the past 12 hours, coming off the biggest win in super bowl history. still politics is part of it. more on the other side of this break. to do the best for your pet, you should know more about the food you choose. with beyond, you have a natural pet food that goes beyond telling ingredients to showing where they come from. beyond assuming the source is safe... to knowing it is. beyond asking for trust... to earning

this is the on ramal for the next four years. which donald trump has recognized. i promised to lower prices. i don't know if i can do that he said in his interview. the reality is that f around and find out. we are all watching republicans find out in real time. >> molly? >> look, this is a win in the sense that they got it done and everybody gets to go home for christmas. i think it would be much worse for everyone involved if they were leaving with the government shutdown and we were looking at not having air traffic controllers over christmas. in the end, this is -- i don't think most people are going to notice this happened.-- it seeps like the regular washington mess that they always go through, because it's the regular washington mess that they always go through. they should be grateful they managed to get out without having shutdown the government. this is going to be difficult. all of the things they want to do, it sounds fun in practice to move fast and break things like elon musk and the silicon valley guys say. when you get down to details and the thing

told that this rally for the new president, for the president elect, this will be the first of many ramallies like this that he holds. that alone just covering that, rally since the election, that makes for a weird night. we have not heard from the president elect for three-and-a-half weeks since the election until tonight now that he has done this event, now we know what he's had on his mind, what he's wanted to talk about, turns out what he really wanted to talk about all the time, how much he won the election by and also how terrible the media is. >> remember when they said, he cannot win north carolina, so we had just won ohio, iowa. and we had just won florida, breaking news, donald trump has won florida, then say whoa! and we won it big. but then the people back there, the extremely dishonest press -- [ boo ] -- right -- very dishonest people. how about when a major anchor who hosted a debate started crying when she realized that we won. tears, no, tell me this isn't true. remember, you cannot get to be too sedative. remember when they said donald trump was going to lose to somebody i'v

hillary clinton, bernie sanders, hoping to ramally potential caucus-goers in and around america's gambling capital. >> so let's go caucus tomorrow! let's get out of the past! let's win this election! let's make sure our country stays on the path of progress into the future! >> people will look back on what happens in nevada and say this was the beginning of the political revolution. >> and as we celebrate democracy in action. we also celebrate the legacy of a judicial lion in the nation's capitol. people of all political background say good by to justice scalia. msnbc starts right now. this is the place for politics. [ applause ] >> hey, everybody, good morning. we are serving bricks and a lot of politics in the liberty tap room. this has been our headquarters in south carolina. the heart of columbia. we have been here all week following the ups and downs of the political campaigns. this promises to leave its mark in history than the skirmishes playing out in two states thousands of miles apart. here in south carolina, polling places are already opened. by the day's end, the winner can hol

a direct counter to president trump's ramally just half a mile away that we already told you about where he doubled down on his demands. for the border wall. >> that walls do not save lives. walls end lives. in the last ten years, more than 4,000 children, women and men have died trying to come to this country. >> let's go live to el paso, texas, and msnbc's garret headache. you were there last night. you interviewed beto o'rourke during a march before the rally. >> summed up what i heard from a lot of people, which is they're tired of this barrier, which wasn't built until the mid2000s defininging their city. last night, thousands of people came out to deliver that message to the president. >> el paso united will never be divided. >> in the shadow of the border barrier, they marched to deliver a message to president trump. stop lying about this city. >> i lived here all my life. el paso's a very safe city so why lie? >> many here are angry about the president's false claim that a border wall built here in 2008 turned the city from dangerous to safe. >> with a powerful barrier in place,

. >> ambassador, to the point of ramallying the international community, i mean, we already know, for example, we have a vice president who is over in poland and, you know, there have been these constant conversations that have been going on. but can nato be rallied any further than they have been already? i guess that's the central question here. >> look, the biden administration has done a good job consulting with our nato allies. but consulting is not the only thing the biden administration needs to do. it needs to lead those nato allies. no doubt if the white house wants we can send those migs, not just from poland but from other of our nato allies in eastern europe. this is something we can and should do. again, leadership involves both pointing in the right direction and consulting closely. and we can do that. we've done it for decades. >> ambassador john herbst, colonel kanzian, evelyn farkas and richard engel, who had to leave, thanks to all of you. >>> coming up, just a little more than an hour from now, president biden is expected to announce new economic sanctions for russi

infrastructure bank which are two specific policy proposals he's never said but which resemble his ramaling proannouncemepronounc pronouncemen pronouncements. >> we can go back and forth, republican and democrat and do donald trump versus donald trump every day and have reams and reams of a show. >> let me go -- let's go 30,000 feet here. trump 3.0. there does seem to be a better dynamic between trump and this campaign manager, kellyanne conway. >> who is really more of a campaign spokesperson than traditional campaign manager. >> in some respects. but somebody is getting him to read a poll. >> from what i hear -- >> i think it's her. >> he likes her. she has a likable personality and she is bringing the goods. the one thing about politics he understands is polling. maybe one of the few things he really gets. >> numbers. he's a number guy and a gut player. she's been able to speak to him in a way where he'll take the information, not as i'm telling you what to do because -- >> daughter of a blueberry farmer. >> and then it becomes his idea. we see the steve bannon playbook where it's much h

. >> reporter: they were very incongress, donald trump's speech was basically is ramally speech, what he says on the trail every day talking about his primary wins, also talking about hillary clinton going on the attack against her. it almost seemed like an afterthought that he was introducing mike pence. but he did. and during that introduction, he justified mike pence's endorsement of one of his competitors during the primary season. that competitor being ted cruz, saying that it was a tepid endorsement and that he was praising donald trump during that endorsement. so it was the best non-endorsement he had ever had. governor pence, getting on stage and being markedly different than donald trump was as roaming as donald trump was during his speech. governor pence was focused and on message. he read from notes. he attacked hillary clinton. he talked about his record in indiana. he praised donald trump, two very different styles. if donald trump is the anti-politics, governor pence is the consummate politician. from here, governor pence will be going back to indiana, where he is expect

compound in the ramal district of gaza city. we have got people on the ground investigating. we cannot say what it is but clearly it is another tragic example of what could happen to civilians in this pitiless conflict. look at the school thaw just talked to the prime minister about. women, children. we saw pictures of the most appalling carnage. that is why justice with this instance that's happened in the last few minutes at the u.n. compound in gaza, we call on the warring parties to respect the sanctity of civilian life. and, of course, to respect humanitarian law obligation to humanitarian workers. we have lost three workers. any other organization would have withdrawn. >> what about what the prime minister said, you accept what he said? he very directly accuses hamas of using civilians, of putting civilians in harm's way, as human shields. do you believe that's accurate? do you accept that? >> let me be very clear about this. anra is responsible for its own installations. and where we have found neutrality violations by militants, as we did with rockets being discovered

before the election when we saw how these people were responding to pelosi getting -- they're lit ramally stealing money from a guy they want to serve with and using his fight for his political life as a way for them to get more money. and you just ask yourself the question, who raised these people? who raised these people? it's a disgrace, and it always catches up with them. it's caught up with trump. when are they going to ever learn? >> well, they're not going to learn, joe, and they have no shame. a couple hours ago just this morning we pointed out that donald trump has $94 million in his own personal campaign bank account. that's money that was sent to him for myriad causes from a lot of innocent people out there who have some sense of belief in what donald trump says. that's their problem. but the point is that $94 million he has on hand, he views that the same way he viewed all of the top-secret documents that were strewn around his bedroom floor in mar-a-lago. they belong to me. that's what he thinks. he thinks the money belongs to him. i don't know about the other candidates you

of course, he's making his post-debate ramally in tucson, 2:00 local, before going to los angeles.ll be visiting his golf club before the fund racer and then holding a campaign rally in las vegas friday night. for donald trump, this is a moment, just a week, two weeks before mail ballots go out to the numerous battleground states. this is a moment for this debate where there are serious questions about the focus and about the individuals that he is surrounding himself here for the final homestretch. you have the likes of laura lumar who is a conspiracy theorist who traveled with him in the past 24 hours from that debate in philadelphia, to the 9/11 and posting it was an inside job. this is a concerning figure to even some of trump's closest allies over the last year, about her proximity to donald trump and her penchant for turning to conspiracy theories. two weeks ago she suggested the shooting in georgia was at the hands of democrats that were eager to use it for election purposes, a school shooting. and last night, marjorie taylor greene, of course, no one would question her loya

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. >> is that mainly what he talks about at his ramallies? >> absolutely.this question. what about school reform and school choice? got somebody to cold cock a 60-year-old woman, what was it that moved that person to punch a 60-something old woman in the face? >> look, i'm not going to expla tin actions of one idiot who shows up out of tens of thousands that show up at a rally. you keep bringing up david douvenlth we have denounced him, over and over and over again. mike pence absolutely repudiates his ideas, he called him as an american, we don't name call the american people. because we respect. we have respect for people for whom we disagree. we respect. >> do you respect david duke? you can call him deplorable? >> we don't call anyone irredeemable. not even david duke. he is redeemable. every son and daughter of god is redeemable ultimately. i hope he will be redeemable. >> there you go. david crumb, let me come to you. this is taking place within the context of a conservative movement. this idea that there won't be anyone outside the boundaries he said

last night was something we've seen frequently in terms of the number of protesters there at the ramallyere a lot of people interrupting and this is something that we've come to expect, the bedrock of the trump event, so he continuously says he loves the protesters, makes the press show how many people in the crowd he has the reaction of saying, get them out, get them out. it is a range of emotions how mr. trump responds to protesters. last night was interesting, first time we've seen someone punch someone in the face at one of the rallies. and just to set the stage, because protests have become such a focal point in a lot of the rallies they do oftentimes have an announcement beforehand saying this is a nonviolent rally, do not harm protesters. this is not a sense where they listened to the announcement. but when people protest, a lot of people in the crowd get very upset, feel like they're defending their candidate, donald trump, and there have been times he's almost pushed for this kind of behavior. las vegas, for example, when someone interrupted he say he wanted to punch that person

while there was afghanistan, somber the ramally in phoenix, he will explain why it went back and forth president trump views his position in the artie and the a oval office as picking up the phone, berating mimp mcconnell or calling bob corker, asking him not to vote for the rungs sanctions bill and his frustration that he's co-sponsoring legislation to protect bob mueller from being fired by president trump. this is the way he does business within his own party. >> it's the way he diz business in real estate. i think he calls bulling them, it's been seven month, it doesn't work so far. when he will learn this isn't the quite tacking the, particularly with senators, john, when we have been looking at the discussion of what would take for donald trump sport ertz to feel he isn't doing the job that they eelection day him to do. let's talk about that debt ceiling debate. if the government were to shut down as he suggested it might do, what impact do you think it has on nevadaens who voted for trump? >> well, it's very, very difficult to tell. it's all speculative, especially in august wha

. >> it was very clear, my feelings about ramal bow-style guns.his situation, this is -- it's not the same. three people were killed with a knife. with a knife. this guy had handguns. this is the supreme court who said americans have a constitutional right to carry handguns. that is protected. by the united states supreme court. that's not the issue. this isn't newtown. and then hollywood. this kid -- this kid wasn't warped watching judd apatow comedies. this boy if you go on and see his video, this boy had never -- i mean, he says he's on the asperger's scale. big surprise. this is a young man who was isolated by his middle challenges. he had never -- not only had never been with a woman and had sex with a woman, he never kissed a woman. he'd never touched a woman. he lived in his isolated, insulate -- >> i think you're backing up the point of what you just said? >> no, i'm not backing up the point at all. this is a mental hilt issue. >> correct. >> just like all of these issues, 99 out of 100 are mental health issues. it's not guns in this case.