when we contie. >> funding for charlie rose has been provided by the following:. >>ach day a billion pple wot find safe drinking water. around the wld, we're lping communitites to access clean water. working to improve lives through conservation d education. one drop at a time. >> additional funding fo chlie rose was als providedy these funders. >> and by bloombe, a providerf multimedi news and information services worldwide. captning sponsored by rose communications from ourtudios in new york city, this is charlie ro. >> this week s a range of nancial news. the dow jones industrial average reached i ghest pot of the year before closinjust under 10,000 pots today. wall street gias like jpmorg chase, goldman sachs and intel all reported stro profits buttheir lingering concerns tt a full recovery is not at hand. citigrou bank of amica and ibm reported weak result, geral electric announced a third-quarter prof slightly higher than expectation. t its financial dision coinues to struck wellad loans and a weak commeral real eate market. joining me now to hp us derstand

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. >> charl: we contie with conversations about movies with arlize theron and guillermo arriaga. >> whether y do 20 films every time is a new experience and you'll eitr fail or not but u can't -- 's like a relationship. you can't enter that relationship not have 100% trust. you just can't. >> we're very optistic becaus the end people whogo they always have a hope and they always have chances to redeem themselves. >> charlie: the health care debate i washington and all about mies when we condition. >> charlie: additional funding for "charlie ro" was als profided by these fuers. captioning sponsored by rose communication from ourtudios in new york city, this is charlie ro. >> charlie: we begin thi evening witthe ongoing debate of health carereform. present obama attded a rally of mostlyoung pele. it was the administtion's latest effort to restore public suppt for a democtic overal the health care system a he said coness h taken many meaningfulteps towards reform. >> the good new is we're closer to reform than wee ever been after debatg the iss for the better pt of a year there's four out of f

there will be a lot contacts our foreign nisters also will keep this cooperatn close, an we hope to contiefurther epen and trenth our friendship and cperation. this will bhat we will try to do,nd wean sayhat there is e politicalill on both sides to take these relatio further beuse i think thaturkey needs the u.s.nd the u.s. needs turke for intnational an regional issu, and there are many, manythings we can do together. >> charlie: thank you for your time. thank you very much, and thank y to everyone who has be watching us. i greet them all. thank you. >> charlie: our anks to the prime minister for an opportunity to learn me about turkey andts role andits foreign policy. tomoow night on this program we'll have an hour conversation with general snley mccystal. see you en. captioning sponsored b rose communitions captioned media accessroup at wgbh cess.wgbh.org ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ "rick steves' ir" is made possib in part by geners support from... this proam is by breador the world,art an advocacy orgazation rking to end hung and poverty home and abroad. the most fasciting and surprisi land i'vever visite

every time we vacated territory in gaza it conties inny size and anyoundary. i thought we should get to the heart of ts issue. k the palestinians, ts sile question. rce them to confront thr own -- it's a fantasy that somehow israel wl disappear, it will shrivel and dissolvand disappear. >> charlie: i dot think that is the desire of most palestinians. yes, there are elements in the population -- there are also elements in your communy who believe th in an idea of a greater israel in which there no resct for palestinis. >> that's righ >> charlie: the are extreme thoughts in palesnian side and israeli side. the question is what does the government d what does the leaderip do. i ke your point. maybe the righthing to say is not the m -- palestian is broken one si works to desoy and the other si says we will recognize the jewish state of israel and live acefully. then there's the sort o mdle ground and the mile grod enmpasses not all but some of the politil leaderipnd they he to be aed to do what the world has been asking us. and me to do. confront th question head

us, oh, we have to keep the country secular just like mub ar ak did continue to-- mub ar ago did contie to doust rently is not honoring the ideal that turk be a modern, open society at all. >> rose: has the role of the military changed because of the prime minister and his administration? have they as it is said reduced the power of the military and put some distance between them and politics? >> they did that. perhaps, the prime minister in his last ten years, has been most successful in this, that army power is duced in turkey. and i am happy about that. but that also in some people, fuels anxieties about peser vacation, well-being of secularism. >> rose: so if the arm see not there to protect whorkts is going to protect it. >> because-- say re on the left, social democratic parties, and these parties also are as nationless as the prime minister's party. would have, have the tradition of giving the job of peser vacation of secularism to my. and when they are-- and since the party is getting more and more-- anxiety about secularism, we don't have the tradition of expressing in democrac

why did they contie? it is a country under occupation. it must be freed. even the wealth was -- >> charlie: there was an islamic revolution in iran in 1979, a revolution of the people, right. great expections. it turned differently. i would think that you would be at the top of the li saying cheering on people who were trying to make revolt against their rulers. of them who have been in power for a long long time and said we the people. >> so in reality you're saying we took action against the people of libya is that what you're saying. >> charlie: when anyway toe came to the aid of libya at their request, at their request, you were against it. even though the military didn't come. >> we were against nato or libya, which one. >> charlie: the people of libya wanted nato. if you were against nato you were against the people of libya. the transitional council invited them in. >> i will answer your question if you allow me. but you're the boss, you can continue. >> crlie you and i both agree nobody has power. >> i have no issue. you pose your question, allow m

domestic demand to relieve some of the pressuren its ports, hop that america's economy conties to grow it's a good investment for i to invest its money. >> and moreattention will be given to developing issue for veloping countries. >> rose: meanin that you are looking to africa to invest in natural resourc. >> no,hat's for everyone who are able to bef help. >> rose: okay. tell me what you mnt, then. >> i thinke can workogether. that has been advocat b prident of the world bank and theeputy secretary. >> rose:obert zoeick. that china bome a stakeholder was his famo refrain. >> and we'llwork together in africa. i think that's what we can do. we can at least try to identify projectsrograms where we could wo together. >> rose: as you know,you know neil fergun is a harvard profsor. he coinethe term "chimerica which was thenotion of the two giants and how much impt ey had on the world economy. he think it's inevable that china and thunited states will collide. thathina as its gets mo powerful a bigger and does better economically an expands s militar will end in a collision with america. >>

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so abu mazen looked at him and told him "sir, contie your occupation." what you're offering... that's not about fairness and justice and the truth, and that's why i told you, charlie, sincerely, my life is not divided between those who are (inaudible) it's between... that's what people should focus on. israelis deserve to live in peace and security. palestinians deserve to live in peace and security. and the similaritiebetween the two people are enormous. are enormous. and we can do it. we can live together. we can end this abnormal situation and move to the normality of life. >> rose: thank you for coming. it was a pleasure to see you again. we will watch closely. the context of what you have said, what happens on friday, what happens in the coming weeks i hope you'll come back as we follow this. >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: we continue our conversation about the palestinian authority's bid for statehood through the u.n. security council with problem prosor, israel's ambassador to the united nations and mort zuckerman, editor and chi of "u.s. news and world report" and owne

with him, you were among the historians who met with him >> only once, he said it was going to be a contiing thing but he never did it aga. >> ros did yo lk away from at impreed? >> i wasnoture. he had nine htorians who've written abou presidents. this imay, i guess, afte.. >>rose: you doris kearn goodwin, robert dallek and others. >> yes and he asked us for advice and sever of us said "don't go back to afghantan. it will be your vietnam." and he said "oh, i'm not naive, i know the difficulties, i'll take care of that. but he didn't. and now it is going to be his vietnam. we're never getti out of there the nato people are now saying 2014. he put in david petraeus who's going to be unrlacele. and is not going to stop he got snookered by the mility as h didby e wall street people. is veryisappointi to me >> rose: he seemso me i'v not intviewed him in the presidency. he seems t me someone who i premy...ho is bot bitis, actil pragtic, and intellectlly aogant abt what he kwsohe know he is knows yrargument about afghanistan... >> wel put. that's exactlyhat his reaion was. "inow all th objtions,you

so there a genuine issue here with regar to nato's contied commitment goi forward there. and violence metastasizes into other pas of afghanistan, rently seeing an irease in taliban activity in the north, for inance, and those e places where there are few u. troops but priipally troops fromur european allies,the very real question comes to the table ow do y deal with that if t eureans want to reduce numbers d thetaliban see a soft underbelly and are pushing intohese other parts the untry? ". >> rose:onclusion seems to me-- and tell me if this is right-- one, it's urgen mcchrystalas certaly pointed out the urgency of decide not guilty to and dog something now. d secondly it seems to me to bethat there hato be a reassessment becau of the elecon and other things. they need to have an urgt decision and there ought to be, asart of that process, a real national debate. well, i think that's what's going to happen. w, the question isthe degre to wch that debate ll be a national debate that will volve members of congress, that will be sort of surfed in public, orthe degre to this w

that we think our players have >> charlie: whaare the issues i t new collectiv bargaining >> how we contie to have a model that will alw our game to grow. the one thing that's changed since our collective bargaing agreement started ba in '9 're investing more private money in to stadiums. not only do you ha the build those stadiums we' budding one across the river here i new york that will be probably $1.7 or.8 bilon dollars. >> charlie: what did texas co? >> about 1 billion. most that ha is with private money. new yorkt's all private money. d that's achallenge. th you have to operate these stadiums. then you he to make capital improvemts to keep the stadiums up. that's tremdous ex experience that we dn't have evenen, 15 years ago. and it's a change in our economs. we have to dea with in our collective bargaing agreemen and m hopeful that 'll do at in positive way. >> charlie: hat are the annual revenues from television to the nfl? >> about $4 billion rht now. >> crlie: a ni start. >> a niceround number, s. >> charlie: hat impact do you have on that coverage? >> well, we hav great partners

. >> couric: we contie with anew ross sorkin looking at the testimontoday by leading financial ecutives bore a commissionnvestigating the causes of the glol economic crisis. >> there was less contrition than i tnk mesh publicanted. so to the extent this was supposed to be politic theater i'm nosure itorked because i don't think there s that apology. >> couri we conclude this evening with lee bollinger,he president of columbia university talking aboua free pressor a new cenry and the rol of universities. >> the big question i think is, give where we are in tms of globalization-- which is primarily economic and business integration ofhe world, h do we build a free press now on a glob scale? we did hit in th last century on aational scale. now the problem is how do we d itn a globa scale? >> couric: anderson cooper, rajiv shah, andrew ross soin and lee bollinger whe we continue ♪ if you've had coke in the last years, ( screams ) you've h a hand in giving coege scholarships... and support to tusands of o nation's... most promisi students. ♪ ( coca-cola 5-note mmonic ) captiong sponsored by

contied influx of enormou amounts of money and that wears them down. anthey become vulrable to not... to wantg to make sure these lobbys are not happy. and that has made our political system t unreonsive. >> rose: if, in fa, this is so important... mean, do we have to have some serious considerion of the influence of money on politics? >> oh, absolutely. of course caaign finance refo is part o the pblem. >> rose: b it has not donet. >> and by itself it will not do it. and the reason is the dominance of telesion. but the inrnet culture h be rising very rapidly, opening up the political some individuals whohave k have an impa with their reason with their voice. we saw in t election of barack obama one of the first examples of this new internet obstruction of justice having a hugeimpact onresidential politics. itid not fixcongressional potics. >> rose: n did it necessary fix healthare reform and those people d not getnvolved in health ce reform and looks like d not get involved inhe elections that took ple yesterday. correct. but the influence ofthese new

so that will contie to get better.t i think the a-ha that has been almost the guy already track, is that they have been, a swiss army knife with more things on them. this notion of ving this hoey puck and the specialized devis also being able to take them having it all one account. not having to have each one nnected. dependinwhich i'm doing ian ke which one with me. >> chaie: ease of access an simplicity. >> yes. >> charlie: is a driving motivation. fo consumers. >> yes.chaie: if you can make it simpler, if you can put it e plan, one bill, one way to use i more likely to get customer. >> it's more thanhat. customer will pay premium for sim police fee. simplicity is everytng. you meion iphon the thi that steve jobs did with the ipod he just me it really simple wn it took off. digital e rate. which we launched bk int&t that was all about simplicity used to be, ii was making local call in myon it was this, local ca traveli, itfuls all these fferent rates. simple, took off, peoplpaid moreitasn't comprise cut. rey now whic

we contie to encounter new images, new peoe, and we acquire that information a store hit the brain. so both e involve so a lot of information just in the last few years about the relative roles of genes and experience and setting he face system, we stl don't the ole picture but it's gting very ttalizing. sone clue comes from theact that even babies o are one to three days old have a ptty good ality to distinguish one face from anothe, even if there's no hair or external features shown, just the internal part of the face,uite similar faces they can diriminate and they can do it for up right faces, not inverted facelike adults. so it's possibl that that's learned in the first one to three days. but it ems more likely that part of at face system may be wired in and waiting for perience to embellish and fine tune it. >> ros let me jus go around the table as often do and say at's the most important thing you want to mow? so mynterest actually lies somewhere wre the two men left usnd... >> they did e work in the early '60s a nobelame in the '80s >> and whey they d is they basically descri

i'm greatly in appreciation to everyone at this table and eric and i will contie this journey and others along from this table and for many of the tables we'll join us as we try to explore the magic and the majesty of the brain. thank you for joining us. see you newscenter 5 time. captioning sponsored by rose communications captioned by media access group at wgbh access.wgbh.org

there was a proof of conct th came out of that that was very iortant tohen contie thwork in the h.i.v. vaccine. so that' one track. another track is tha we're actually... are delivering anti-retro virals now because of this presint's emergency plan for ai relf, the are three milln people today who have anti-retro virals. at's up from justive years ago where the's 155,000. now thkey thing to work ons preventi. how do you prevent the disease? are there tools you can give people? a pi? a microbe side g, condoms so they c prevent from getting the disease. so that's t story on ai. so iny lifime i hope the numbers will come dn significtly on aids. in malaria i hope for eradication iny lifetime. tooubs again iope we have significant problem that. t i would say really tting these childhood deaths down. i want toee them cut in half in theext 20 ars. get doto fourillion childhood deat a year instead of.8 is what we had last year. >>ose: how much has the focus en changed terms of politics? >> i think when we first started thfoundation we weren as astutebout understanding that but i thin it came

it has been withs, it will contie to be with us d nothg that happened to markets or to the global economy will change that? yes? no? >> i think it's moreifficult an that. i thinkn the firs stage i think globalation is in in m ways massively undervalued. when pple talk about the past 25 yrs, when historians come to look about the past5 years, they're nogoing to write about goldman sachs and bernie madoff and i.g., there going to s "that was a perio when a billion pele got dragged out of perty in the or world, got push into a new fm of middle-class." that was the big story, the reemergence of asia. >> rose:hat is the dete about at ought to be debated today about... i don't want to say laissezaire capitalism. capitalism and marke. >> i think tha the are lots of individual debates, about finance, aut banks, about the role of the state in the banks, about the need f greater pital. but this broer qhun so f i think actually you can argue is going better than expected a year ago. you know, emerging markets, china, india, places like that, theye made a lot of noises about how annoyed theare with w

. >> and contiing right throh the clinton admistration. privatized, got marginal tax rate os on the wealthy down. we sort of succumbed to the supply side of trile down economics. nothing trickled down. >> but evidently the president believes in that because he wants to continue the tax cuts ofhe bus administration. >> yes, president obama has said he wanted -- >> for the middle ass. >> thais aery important distinction cause i think it very important to continue the tax cuts for the middle class because right now no class, as i have bee sing doe't have the wherewithal. that to the going to be the final solution for the middle class. they still are going to need additional help. but the top 2% do not nd addition continuatn ta cuts. they d't need the bush tax cuts continued. they sll and they will continue to spend a much smaller proportion of their income than the 98% below them. there is no reason, particularly given the constrained budgets that we are all facing, that the top 2% should get essentially what next year would be a 36 billion d

. >> people in therab world who have contied to really hope to see new dawn where they might take command of their own future and what not areindinghemselves more powless than ever. and there's a deep sense of laise particularlafter the war in iraq. that really has been radicalizing politics. making people feelike they could actlly make a dierence with the ballot. the united states needs to say to the world we have to solve the probm of our continng confrontation with the musm world it has undermined theuccess of president after president. and we cannot continue that way. we havto find a way to overcome that barri and therefore isel has to see itself in eontextf the whol western alliance. >> rose:riedman, rogan, cohen next. >> funding forcharlie rose has been provided by the following. >> each daa billion peopl won't find se drinking water. around the worlde're helping communites to access clean water. working to impve lives through conservation a education. one op at a time. >> additional fundg for charlirose was also proved by these funders . >> and b bloomberg, a provider of multimedia

and in t green room afterwards, we contied the scussion for about half an hour. and i came away d i think he camaway,probably with a sense that, you know, the are misunderstandings. there are historie there are differences that get built up which if you want to tryo work through them, ther are sometim ways to that. >> rose: y believe that the possility tonegotiate withran, to get them to givep their -- >> here's what yo never know. until you make teffort, you don't knowhe answer to that questio and certainly if the optio is war or maj major confrontation anloss of life and diocation and other great risks, you owe ito yourself and to your untry to at lea have those kinds discussions it maye impossible. it may be that you get to a point where you ve no options buthe toughest option. but i ve always believed that you oughtto try to exhaust the remeds and the possibilit >> rose: the argent goes is while y are exhausting those remedies they are gettincloser and closer ancloser. >> tt's why it's urgent to try to do something whi there time. >> rose: and even threatenin