joining us, the chairman of the federal communications commission, ajit pai., ajit, good to have you with us. it's been some time since we knew that both of these companies were turning over information that they gathered in the course of their normal businesses to the people's liberation army, to chinese intelligence. why this decision now? >> well, thanks for having me on, lou. unlike in commune nist china d communist china, we have the rule of law. the fcc proposed to ban the use of fcc funding being used by telecom carriers here in the united states on problematic equipment or services coming from carriers like huawei and zte. we initially proposed to designate them as national security threats, but we wanted everyone to make their case. we heard from the executive branch, we heard from congress, other stakeholders, and we heard from huawei and zte. the overwhelming weight of the evidence suggested that huawei and zte would be national security threats. that's why we moved forward with a firm designation to plant a flag to say that going forward, starting

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he is fcc commissioner ajit pai.ood to have you with us, commissioner. >> good to be with you, lou. lou: i want to compliment you, congratulate you and thank you for bringing this to the public's attention because this is such an outrageous intrusion on the first, you know, in newsrooms and on the first amendment. imagine, it is just incredible to me that the fcc would even think to under steak -- undertake a so-called study the way the news is both developed and covered and the decision-making process therein. >> and that is part of the concern i had when i looked into how this study was being designed. that the notion that the government could figure out for the american public what their critical information needs were, then go to newsrooms across the country and ask basic intrusive questions how do you gather the news what is your news philosophy and does your station have a bias? those are not questions that belong in any newsroom certainly imposed by a government researcher. lou: the idea of those questions bei

for years commission chairman ajit pai led that 5-0 vote today and joins us tonight.ongratulations on the vote. a clear-cut statement of putting u.s. national security, national you interest above commercial interest, and congratulations to you and the commission for doing so. >> it's a unanimous vote. when it comes to the national security of our communications network, we don't know party affiliation. it's about the security of the country. >> the attorney general of the united states announcing clearly that both these companies, huawei and zte pose a national security threat. he went further and said it's the conduct of the people's republic of china that goes into his assessment of their national security threat and the risk posed. how far is this going to go, and what are the next steps for the united states? these two companies have been features prominently by the chinese and their efforts to drive a potential potential -- . >> each of them has engaged in conduct intellectual property theft and bribery and corruption. they are required to secretly comply to req

. >> well, ajit pai with the fcc just put out a statement that he's going to to engage in rulemakinghey're reading section 230 too broadly. congress is supposed to be working on that. but, of course, they're not making any progress. the president and the department of justice should be -- well, the department of justice in particular should be looking at both antitrust violations and election contributions because they've contributed millions if not billions of dollars worth of improper campaign contributions to the biden campaign by shutting down the opposition. lou: yeah. we just reported that facebook and twitter both had topicstives move other to the biden transition team just days and weeks before deciding that they would stand up -- they being twitter and facebook -- and shut down america's right to know and a free press. not in the hands of jack dorsey and mark zuckerberg. sidney powell, thanks for being with us, as always. good to see you. >>> up next, the trump campaign says china joe has a lot to answer for. we'll take up a few of those questions with former congressman jas

ajit pai, the head of the fcc, was on this show, you know, raising his fists and saying here we go.e heard is just air running out of that particular balloon. >> yes, it's been hollow words. china makes no secret of their progress in huawei. they publish the number of stations they've now exported around the world, how many at home, the per capita figures. they're pulling ahead in 5g and frankly, lou, this is part of a a larger narrative i see from the chinese over the past month or so. it's a kind of arrogance or smugness that, yes, yo wrote a book on the hundred-year marathon and we are run winning ahead of schedule. they're cocky about 5g that they are pulling ahead of the united states right now as we speak. the president was right to warn -- lou: and -- well, the president has been right on china all along. long before he was candidate, as a candidate and certainly as president. where would we be if he had not been elected in 2016? perish the thought. this is also, though, an administration that seems -- talking to larry kudlow earlier, said this is not a punishment president.