what could make the case and christie roemer on the council of economic advisor and her crew made thatase and it would dampen growth and the story is true but it's a big if. all consumption comes at the expense of something else. and if that something else is productive investment, yeah, but if it's houses or strip malls we don't need, that's called investment but it ain't any use, you know. they are half-boarded up so you have to be even careful there. but i'm telling you, the one thing where i think you have a reduction in g.d.p. is what the bankers did to us. imagine what g.d.p. would have been if those guys had behaved. and imagine what it would be and take the difference. i have not actually done this. have you? but it must be -- it could be $f it could be 5 trillion for all you know. it would easily add up. laughter. i don't know either. but when gdp growth was down 6% at leal were now we left a huge number of trillions of gdp on the table because of the these guys did and what really hurts on top of what they caused us in on employment of these people not working, the factory is