we've seen what generalissimo has done to newspapers. it has made them irrelevant. >> there is discussion of a not for profit model. do you see any future for that work? >> i see that if the chain newspapers in the second tier counts did not get it together, if they don't turn a corner and pull themselves through the keyhole of the pay model on line, it will fall to start ups. you will be able to hire the cream of the bought out, laid off crop of journalists, and if you are committed to putting the money back in, i think it will actually grow. if you do the math, pulled out a cocktail napkin and do the math of of six, seven, $8 a month for 15% of what the newspapers prior subscription base was, and realize that all that money, all that is now profit. it is not circulation costs. circulation is a cost center. we did not see it, but that has been transformed. on a small scale basis, where everybody is committed to just covering the regional area, there is no room -- a lot of things are not relevant anymore to the local paper. comics, the c