if you look at the books of jane adams, if you look at the books of dubois, of mary terrell, i'm talkingbout black women reformers, white women reformers, she's left out. so this is a whole other road of inquiry. was she really -- was it really significant that this campaign as i thought but, of course, it is. all the evidence that it is. and what i came to the conclusion that this was -- i mean, she does have a very -- excuse me, i have allergies that are killing me. .. wells had been very successful in the campaign by then mainly because she had gone to england twice and great triumph in the british isles. after she leaves the british isles, no one can ignore this campaign anymore. and tie lynching legislation has passed for the lynching is begin to go down. and, after the death of frederick douglass and 95, wells should have really been a leader of the plexiform civil rights movement. as we know it is really booker t. washington that emerges in this vacuum, and one reason why she was never permitted was because of course of gender mainly. she tried to sort of get the torch passed by f

when fdr was considering her for secretary of labor one of the most enthusiastic letters came from jane adams saying please pick this woman who has already been by your side. she said to whipped europe because frances perkins had been industrial commissioner. the other women that were lifelong supporters to frances perkins were her friends from the suffrage movement. the women have fought for the right to get the bode bruegerly break. you have to remember this was a time when women were not even supposed to go out into public places. they were not allowed to sit in a bar. they were considered too embarrassing for them to stay in the hotel by themselves because there were a lot of rules restricting women's behavior. these women went with the soap box, they went to a street corner. they often picc the corner wehr for bars, one on each corner because it could get a good audience of men to look at the girls on the box. out they would come. these women would start to make their speech about why it was necessary for women to get the vote. usually they would get catcalls and ridicule. the women lear

in my later life i drove him by hull house and said this is where jane adams and all the women of hull house were as if i were telling him something, and he was, like, i came here every day after school. they considered themselves a mixed marriage at the time because my dad was jewish and my mom was swedish. their families were not happy with their marriage. but they had a good marriage, and they wanted better for their daughters. >> host: how did you get involved in the antiwar movement and student activism? >> guest: pretty simple, i watched, i watched. part of race course, you'll see, is a story of my looking at tv and looking at images in the newspaper from my safety and security of an all-white high school in milwaukee and thinking something's going on out here. and mattel was lynched, and these seven youngsters are trying to get into school in little rock and they're my age. something's going on. i felt very far away from it, but i knew there was a world out there that i wanted to get to, and it took my quite a while, but right when i started law school at the university of chica