and the only guest was john burrows. and would go bird watching. and there is no higher compliment to burrows from theodore roosevelt. >> you had a person expression and saying that he loved walt whitman. and didn't have a relationship, why did you write that? >> whitman was gay. and when burrows was a young man and had a historical love look, and they had love notes. he became the great student of whitman, and their relationship was platonic. and he became, burrows, almost a son to walt whitman. >> ok, we are in the conservation center for training. how much time would you spend in this room? >> i would come to this room, and i was shown items here. and behind me is a bag that says, biological survey poison. there was a period of time that the biological survey's job was to do pest control. and farmers would sometimes shoot birds, willy-nilly. and it was the survey that said not to destroy them. they eat pests. and the biological survey is putting out information to farmers why wildlife is important to keep on farm. you don't want to get rid of bir

gets on the train and goes to yellowstone with john burrows. then he goes to the grand canyon and ends up in the redwoods of northern california and then goes to yosemite. here is the president of the united states with john muir and they camp out. they camp out under these redwood trees which roosevelt thought the redwoods were great ca they drals. he would use religious imagery of redwoods. they slept in a snowstorm without a tent and he said the greatest day i ever spent in my life freezing in a snowstorm with john muir. they would try to outnaturalist each other. nobody new birds like t.r. muir was a botanist so he would talk about the plants. roosevelt was outplaying them on birds. they had a friendly competition. roosevelt thought muir was a great man. muir thought that in extreme cases of hunger you should shoot an animal. roosevelt thought that hunters the great could be k-conservationition. muir says when are you going to give up that boyish hunting thing of yourselves. t.r. said i know i need to, i should. of course, he didn't. he went