representative john shadegg. guest: house republicans believe this is the wrong way to go about this task, first and foremost. we had it with us that came before the energy and commerce committee before the energy subcommittee who testified that his utilities -- and he represents a number of large utilities in the mess -- in the midwest -- could meet the caps set in the bill by the deadline. what he objected to is that the cost of doing it under this bill will be roughly double the cost of just doing it by having them meet the standard. the reason for that is the so- called cap and trade structure says first you as a utility that limits, for example, carbon dioxide, must buy permits from the government to continue to limit what you are remitting now. then as your base grows, york to buy permits to continue to in that what you're gross costs. then, beside that, you have to spend additional money to essentially get rid of the carbon dioxide. the first step of that, buying the permits from the government, does nothi