orientation to mecca, and yet when you do to pakistani parties among the elite, the whiskey, preferably johnnie walker blue or black, last choice indian whiskey, is used freely, and the point being you have corruption, hypocrisy and some of the most fro found differences in wealth when the phenomenally rich, ruling families or pakistan, and the people who live in virtually medieval bondage. >> guest: if i could talk about the urban elite. i think this is a key to understanding why pakistan has not sold itself up to now that fighting the taliban is their war. the urban elite, as you mentioned, will drink whiskey at night, will talk very much in support of the taliban. many people in pakistan are in love with the taliban idea. >> host: in romance. >> guest: the guys that are righteous, simple, basic must hims who are trying to implement the law, and yet no one really wants to live under those guys. they don't want the streets to be patrolled by them. they don't want to be lashed by them. so this is a major difference and up until recently when the taliban advanced to within 60 mols of islamabad, and con