i notice modeling -- jonathan gruber's model the scenario that was most advantageous for small employers with the scenario that exempted small businesses and i think that was a 1 to 10 employer? is that what he was looking at there? >> correct. >> we still haven't answered the question of the 11 to 100. >> but there were substantial benefits for -- even with that model, huge benefits for small business with the reform and with the shared responsibility. >> but it depends where that small business exemption comes in; is that not true? >> well, pretty much -- pretty much every model that professor gruber model produced a better result than a status quo because it was such an absolute disaster for small business, fewer 50% small businesses are even offering anymore. clearly we would love to work with the committee to figure out the right balance of tax credits and sliding scales and exemptions but virtually any system where some recognition is given to the special needs of small business, that has reform in it that deals with the cost containment is going to be far better for small business

the economic study we released earlier this month based on research by jonathan gruber found that without reform, health care will cost small-businesses $2.4 trillion over the next 10 years. we are pleased to see the house bill addresses key cost containment measures such as expanded use of transparency, prevention and chronic disease management. our polling shows that the key to controlling costs in the market place where there's healthy competition, there must be an insurance exchange from the robust. the national insurance marketplace, to national rules. there are standardized benefit packages, without regard to treat existing conditions or health status. and marketplace transparency. a balanced set of reforms will require everyone to participate. 66% of business owners in recent poll in 16 states, releasing preliminary data today, support the idea that the responsibility for financing health care system should be shared among individuals, employers, providers and government. it should be noted that response to our surveys include an average of 17% more republicans than democrats, 40%-