mr. hal pert. you each have one minute a piece. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i think the two things that we would emphasize are the issue of super sizing which relates to the cost allocation issue that we spoke about. it doesn't make a lot of sense for us to use up whatever good will we might have trying to locate -- or locate a line that's undersized. the second thing is the federal lands issue and the permeating issue and i've elaborated some on that, but this, we see, is a very large impediment and those would be two things that we'd like you to bear in mind. >> thank you, sir. >> mr. hibberd, thank you, mr. chairman. i would just say that certainly from our perspective in the commonwealth, we completely agree with the goals of the aces legislation. we absolutely have to address the carbon issue and we have to address it now. what i would urge you to consider from the standpoint of transmission is to try to retain the competitive market structure that delivers benefits to our rate payers in the designs that you implement going forward. the carbon cap that p